JetBlue TrueBlue - JetBlue Gets Approval for ORD

Quick update on the ORD situation - the FAA approved JetBlue for 4 arrival authorizations, contingent on the fact that they initiate service by Oct 28th, and commence operations by Jan 27th. The next few weeks should be interesting.....:)

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf98/418851_web.pdf

Quick update on the ORD situation - the FAA approved JetBlue for 4 arrival authorizations, contingent on the fact that they initiate service by Oct 28th, and commence operations by Jan 27th. The next few weeks should be interesting.....:)

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf98/418851_web.pdf

First off, that's awesome news. It's certainly nice to ORD added to B6's slate of destinations.
Secondly, the letter mentions that the FAA reguates the number of departures between 7 AM and 8:59 PM. Does that time apply to the time of departure or arrival? If it applies to arrivals (which I'm assuming), I could see B6 having a couple of arrivals after 9PM. My best assumsion would indicate we're going to see JFK 4X and BOS 2X (each one will have an arrival after 9PM...i.e. 9:15 and 9:50 PM)

One other question (not that it makes much difference), why does the letter have a Maryland address on it? I thought that B6 had all of it's offices in NY, CT, and UT.

Did AA and UA also get their slots back? If no, this is a crime...Neeleman is paying someone off...

One other question (not that it makes much difference), why does the letter have a Maryland address on it? I thought that B6 had all of it's offices in NY, CT, and UT.


That's the address of the Government Affairs Officer for Jet Blue. Most airlines have a Washington rep.

Thanks. That's what I thought but I wasn't sure due to the fact that I've never seen anything about B6 having a DC office.

I can't wait until the official office comes from B6.

Did AA and UA also get their slots back? If no, this is a crime...Neeleman is paying someone off...
Neeleman is not paying anyone off. It's that simple. His faith alone - since he is a Morman, would strictly prohibit such an action.

AA and UA VOLUNTEERED to give their slots away. 4 flights a day won't change anything at such a massive operation like ORD. Especially considering the fact that flyi is no longer there.

Do some research first.

That's the address of the Government Affairs Officer for Jet Blue. Most airlines have a Washington rep.
Yes, Rob Land is the VP of Government Affairs in that area. I think it might be a law for transportation companies to have a rep. there.

Neeleman is not paying anyone off. It's that simple. His faith alone - since he is a Morman, would strictly prohibit such an action.
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ROTFL! Keep believing that one...There is no such thing as religion when it comes to business ;)

Neeleman is not paying anyone off. It's that simple. His faith alone - since he is a Morman, would strictly prohibit such an action.

AA and UA VOLUNTEERED to give their slots away. 4 flights a day won't change anything at such a massive operation like ORD. Especially considering the fact that flyi is no longer there.

Do some research first.

DH was hubbed at IAD, not ORD. yes, they flew to ORD, but i think it was only like 6-8x daily. nothing big considering the operations UA and AA have.

ROTFL! Keep believing that one...There is no such thing as religion when it comes to business ;)
Wrong. It is his faith. Neelman has a VERY positive reputation in the business world...he has achieved things you will probably never come near achieving. You obviously don't know anything about the Morman faith...so to make such an accusation is really immature and uncalled for.

The FAA is a FEDERAL government agency - "paying someone off" would never be tolerated.

Good luck to jetBlue at ORD!

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My understanding is that AA and UA agreed to the arrival restriction program that gives priority to new entrants and carriers with fewer flights...

Yes, Rob Land is the VP of Government Affairs in that area. I think it might be a law for transportation companies to have a rep. there.

Not a law, just a really good idea. :p

What are the guesses on ORD destinations? OAK would be interesting, as it would be very direct competition with Southwest.

What are the guesses on ORD destinations? OAK would be interesting, as it would be very direct competition with Southwest.
Very direct competition with Southwest?? Southwest does not fly to ORD and they don't fly to JFK. The do fly to MDW and ISP...a very different market. I'm from Long Island, and I can tell you that ISP and JFK are about 1-1.5 hours apart. ISP is a great, quiet airport...but it is out of the way for Queens, Brooklyn, Nassau Co. and NYC.

What are the guesses on ORD destinations? OAK would be interesting, as it would be very direct competition with Southwest.

My guesses:
1) JFK x2
2) LGB x1
3) FLL x1

Nice mix to see what can work in/around the Windy City. Also, keeps from having all eggs in one basket. Finally, Windy City consumers are just one part of the equation: spread Chicago's wealth around B6's network to draw on visitors also.

Wrong. It is his faith. Neelman has a VERY positive reputation in the business world...he has achieved things you will probably never come near achieving. You obviously don't know anything about the Morman faith...so to make such an accusation is really immature and uncalled for.

Your defense of JetBlue and his CEO is quite touching. It would be better, however, if:

(A) You spelled Mr. NEELEMAN's name correctly. (Source: http://www.jetblue.com/about/ourcompany/flightlog/ )

(B) You spelled MORMON correctly in referring to the LDS church.

The FAA is a FEDERAL government agency - "paying someone off" would never be tolerated.


C'mon. Get real. :rolleyes:

Your defense of JetBlue and his CEO is quite touching. It would be better, however, if:

(A) You spelled Mr. NEELEMAN's name correctly. (Source: http://www.jetblue.com/about/ourcompany/flightlog/ )

(B) You spelled MORMON correctly in referring to the LDS church.



C'mon. Get real. :rolleyes:
I won't lie, I forgot Mormon was spelled with an O and not A. However, I obviously knew it is Neeleman and not Neelman - just a typo.

What does it mean that they have to "initiate service at ORD by Oct. 28, 2006, and it commence flight operations by Jan. 27, 2007."
Whats the difference between initiating service and commencing flight operations?

I believe initiating flights means having them loaded into reservation software with flight times, numbers, destinations, and aircraft. Where as commencing flights is actually flying them with revenue customers and what not.

Ridiculous to cite LDS as a basis for what Neeleman would or would not do. There is much that religion does not control.

e.g. LDS prohibits homosexuality. Yet, I know plenty of gay Mormons!

My guesses:
1) JFK x2
2) LGB x1
3) FLL x1

Nice mix to see what can work in/around the Windy City. Also, keeps from having all eggs in one basket. Finally, Windy City consumers are just one part of the equation: spread Chicago's wealth around B6's network to draw on visitors also.

I'm guessing JFK 4x. What good does 2 flights a day from Chicago to NY do? This is a high frequency route and two frequencies will not be competitive.

Very direct competition with Southwest?? Southwest does not fly to ORD and they don't fly to JFK. The do fly to MDW and ISP...a very different market. I'm from Long Island, and I can tell you that ISP and JFK are about 1-1.5 hours apart. ISP is a great, quiet airport...but it is out of the way for Queens, Brooklyn, Nassau Co. and NYC.

Your point is well taken with respect to JFK vs. ISP, but I submit that OAK-ORD and OAK-MDW on low cost carriers are essentially the same market. ORD and MDW are very similar drives and subway rides from downtown. The location of the airports has some importance to certain Chicagoans (north and west folks want ORD; south and southeast want MDW), but with low cost carriers, price is the key.

I'm guessing JFK 4x. What good does 2 flights a day from Chicago to NY do? This is a high frequency route and two frequencies will not be competitive.

I tend to agree, but the CHI - NYC market is FLOODED already with UA, AA, CO, AirTran, WN (ISP), DL and plus countless others if you include connections (US, NW etc.).

Does B6 really think it could compete?

CHI - Florida is also FLOODED with low fare carriers (Spirit, Airtran, Southwest etc.) in addition to the legacies.

They may be better offering short haul flights from ORD on routes with very little competition (RDU, BUF, SLC etc.).

They may be better offering short haul flights from ORD on routes with very little competition (RDU, BUF, SLC etc.).

Doesn't seem like any of those places would be very operationally efficient since neither ORD nor those places are B6 bases. JFK also opens some connecting options.

Doesn't seem like any of those places would be very operationally efficient since neither ORD nor those places are B6 bases. JFK also opens some connecting options.

Not all approval slots are going to be used for the JFK-ORD route. The reason I say this is because B6 got approvals for 2 arrivals at the 1100hrs slot. That's why I think it will be a JKF/BOS-ORD combination to start with. My first post in this thread is pasted below.

First off, that's awesome news. It's certainly nice to ORD added to B6's slate of destinations.
Secondly, the letter mentions that the FAA reguates the number of departures between 7 AM and 8:59 PM. Does that time apply to the time of departure or arrival? If it applies to arrivals (which I'm assuming), I could see B6 having a couple of arrivals after 9PM. My best assumsion would indicate we're going to see JFK 4X and BOS 2X (each one will have an arrival after 9PM...i.e. 9:15 and 9:50 PM)

If anyone has better knowledge of the ORD restictions than I do, please correct me if I'm wrong about the FAA allowing scheduled flights to come in after 2100hrs without prior slot approval.

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My understanding is that AA and UA agreed to the arrival restriction program that gives priority to new entrants and carriers with fewer flights...

AA and UA "agreed" to them only when the FAA threatened to impose them unilaterally (and the rumours were that failure to "agree" would be accompanied by even greater slot confiscation from AA and UA).

To claim that AA and UA actually agreed to them would be an overstatement.

Yahoo! If this is indeed right, I could care less about where we're coming from (ie:JFK) or going to (ie: OAK). What pleases me the most....it's the close to where my kids live and I can finally stop paying to jumpseat on another airline!!!!

Way to go David!

B6 FA

It's Official - Chicago to JFK & LGB

Here it is with the official announcemenet from B6:

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/061026/107509.html

Thanks all! :)

BTW, for those of you who are going to be at ORD today:

There is a Jetblue trailer on the departure area of Terminal 2 (the upper level). They are giving away free TerraBlue potato chips to promote the new route. I happened to walk by there as I was walking from Terminal 2 to Terminal 1.

I tend to agree, but the CHI - NYC market is FLOODED already with UA, AA, CO, AirTran, WN (ISP), DL and plus countless others if you include connections (US, NW etc.).

Does B6 really think it could compete?

CHI - Florida is also FLOODED with low fare carriers (Spirit, Airtran, Southwest etc.) in addition to the legacies.

They may be better offering short haul flights from ORD on routes with very little competition (RDU, BUF, SLC etc.).
Actually, CHI-RDU, CHI-BUf and CHI-SLC all have 2-3 airlines competing on the route nonstop. CHI-JFK has occasionally had a delta RJ, but that's about it. Thus B6 will pretty much own the JFK market. (This will be especially useful for international connections - no more cab from LGA ro JFK)

Aren't JFK and LGB like "hubs" for JetBlue? I would have guessed both of those since all my searches for WAS-SMF show connections through either one of those. So this really means ORD-anywhere JetBlue flies. ^
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CHI-JFK has the Delta RJs as well as AE RJs. No mainline service between the 2 airports, however I have a sneeking suspicion that that will change shortly.

CHI-JFK has the Delta RJs as well as AE RJs. No mainline service between the 2 airports, however I have a sneeking suspicion that that will change shortly.

You think DL and AA will add mainline service? I wouldn't expect that to happen with more capacity now on the route.

You think DL and AA will add mainline service? I wouldn't expect that to happen with more capacity now on the route.

Yes, to remain competitive and hopefully drive B6 out of the market they will add mainline and flood the market with cheap seats.

Yes, to remain competitive and hopefully drive B6 out of the market they will add mainline and flood the market with cheap seats.

I can understand dropping the fares, but when is the last time they added a bunch of seats to try to drive B6 out? Other than lower fares and maybe reduced capacity, not much has changed between JFK and BOS, WAS, BUF, ROC, SYR and others.