Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners) - Second Lounge Guest

I searched for an answer to this but no luck? As Star Gold I can bring one (unrelated) guest into the lounge at Frankfurt for free, but can I pay for a second guest?

No, you can't.

No, you can't.
Thank you! ^

I searched for an answer to this but no luck? As Star Gold I can bring one (unrelated) guest into the lounge at Frankfurt for free, but can I pay for a second guest?

*G can indeed bring one guest to the LH Senator lounge if both of you travel with Star carrier. I've done that zillions of time, no issues.

The point is that if you want to bring MORE than 1 guest, they all need to be your immediate family members. Sometimes this becomes tricky, for instance brits hate kids and some lounges ban kids under specific age out of lounge.

*G can indeed bring one guest to the LH Senator lounge if both of you travel with Star carrier. I've done that zillions of time, no issues.

The point is that if you want to bring MORE than 1 guest, they all need to be your immediate family members. Sometimes this becomes tricky, for instance brits hate kids and some lounges ban kids under specific age out of lounge.

the rules says 1 guest, no matter if family members or not. that said, there are lot's of "wardens" who don't stick to the rules and allow 2 or 3 guests if it's not too crowded.

cheers

ben

With more than 1 guest, you might simply be redirected to the FTL lounge.

Stay within the entrance area, until the next guests comes in and ask him nicely, if he might take your 2nd guest as his guest.

I have done it a couple of times on different airlines after witnessing lounge wardens turn away too many guests.

Thin line for the agents, but in that case, a young well dressed SEN was told that his parents, an elderly couple in their 70`s, cannot enter the lounge with him. Another case I remember was a NWA warden, still during the old DTW terminal days, turning away a KL Silver Wing with his 4-5 year old daugther right in front me. Despite getting the looks from the agent, I was more than happy to help out a fellow traveler spending some hours in the lounge instead of the crappy terminal building.

Normally I appreciate agents playing by the rules, but in some cases, like the two mentioned above, it was simply ridiculous... :td:

Stay within the entrance area, until the next guests comes in and ask him nicely, if he might take your 2nd guest as his guest.

I have done it a couple of times on different airlines after witnessing lounge wardens turn away too many guests.

Thin line for the agents, but in that case, a young well dressed SEN was told that his parents, an elderly couple in their 70`s, cannot enter the lounge with him. Another case I remember was a NWA warden, still during the old DTW terminal days, turning away a KL Silver Wing with his 4-5 year old daugther right in front me. Despite getting the looks from the agent, I was more than happy to help out a fellow traveler spending some hours in the lounge instead of the crappy terminal building.

Normally I appreciate agents playing by the rules, but in some cases, like the two mentioned above, it was simply ridiculous... :td:
^ ^ ^ Very constructive post! My apologies to the OP for being a bit short in my earlier one, I was simply trying to address the question re: paying, but Threy certainly brings in an additional perspective.

Actually, I have fond memories of the SA F lounge receptionist in Jo'burg - I was travelling with a colleague who was on a completely different airline (and he could not technically invite a guest, either), so I asked the lounge receptionist if it was okay if he and I used the SA C lounge instead. Her response was that they would certainly not accept guests into the C lounge (having visited that lounge later in the year, I can understand why :D), and then she allowed him into the F lounge (not the FCT, but not too far below LH's other FRA F lounges - it was a real treat!). So, sometimes, you just get the right person at the right time, and things work out ...

I have fond memories of the SA F lounge receptionist in Jo'burg

Me too. When travelling with my dad in LH F from JNB-FRA, we were taking along a couple who was on the same flight, but in Y (and with no status at all). I asked nicely, the warden said it was against the rules, but that they'd make an exception. ^

What about FTL's? Are they allowed to take direct family members into the lounge? Can I bring in my sister for example, if flying on the same flight?

What about FTL's? Are they allowed to take direct family members into the lounge? Can I bring in my sister for example, if flying on the same flight?

No guests. Latest enhancement.

What about FTL's? Are they allowed to take direct family members into the lounge? Can I bring in my sister for example, if flying on the same flight?

I could, even into the SEN lounge :D

Was flying in July DUS-ZRH-JFK and back in Y with my wife and my little daughter (18 ;)).
No problem with the lounge in DUS and ZRH (*A SEN lounge, did not try it in the Swiss lounge though).
On the flight back in JFK they told us at the check in that strictly one guest only in the Swiss lounge. In addition they gave us wrong directions to the lounge (one of those inconvenient locations which are before security control), so we finally did not go there.
Also a good service by Swiss in ZRH with priority security check and entering the plane first etc for all of us.
Their lousy service in Eco during the flight is maybe worth another thread.

Haven't done it as *G before, but the BA/QF lounge in SIN allowed me to bring in 3 guests - for free! All flying BA WTP; I was the only one with ow sapphire (AA). OTOH, BA lounge at LHR T4 stuck by the rules ("We don't even allow it for our own cardholders"); payment wasn't even an option. I guess the inconsistency was somewhat due to the number of BA/oneworld flights out of LHR which were far greater than the oneworld flights at SIN.

Same logic might apply in the OP's situation. ;)

Lounge access rules on the LH website do not specifically cover LH contract lounges, so here's my question: I'll be flying to Rome in Y with Mrs LH_Fan (same ticket). On our way back, will we both have access to the LH contract lounge? A response in an earlier thread (albeit a slightly dated one which only covered one specific contract lounge) seems to indicate that that's the case. Are there generic rules?

Lounge access rules on the LH website do not specifically cover LH contract lounges, so here's my question: I'll be flying to Rome in Y with Mrs LH_Fan (same ticket). On our way back, will we both have access to the LH contract lounge? A response in an earlier thread (albeit a slightly dated one which only covered one specific contract lounge) seems to indicate that that's the case. Are there generic rules?
for contract lounges you will need a lounge-voucher per person that you will receive at checkin. without these vouchers you are not allowed to enter no matter which status level you carry.

for contract lounges you will need a lounge-voucher per person that you will receive at checkin. without these vouchers you are not allowed to enter no matter which status level you carry.
Yes - but will LH check-in give me two vouchers if I'm travelling with my wife in Y?

Yes - but will LH check-in give me two vouchers if I'm travelling with my wife in Y?
yes, if you are a *G which you are as LH SEN.

yes, if you are a *G which you are as LH SEN.
Thanks - appreciate your help! ^ ^

the rules says 1 guest, no matter if family members or not. that said, there are lot's of "wardens" who don't stick to the rules and allow 2 or 3 guests if it's not too crowded.
ben

LH published a while ago, that they accept either one guest or the immediate family members, defined as partner and children under 18.

and I have another question: I'm holding two *Alliance Gold cards. Can I use both cards to invite two guests into the lounge? Can I also bring in additionally my 2 years old son?

and I have another question: I'm holding two *Alliance Gold cards. Can I use both cards to invite two guests into the lounge? Can I also bring in additionally my 2 years old son?

No you can't use multiple *G cards to get more guests into the lounge. Consider this is similar to a *G pax flying in F. F pax can bring in a guest. So can *G. But *G pax flying F cannot bring in 2 guests.


However unless you are getting someone really bad, you will be allowed to guest both your partner and infant son.

God bless the good old Swiss(-air) Travelclub days where I was able (~6 years ago, and I did't have status at that time!!) to bring 2 guests into the lounge in BCN using my father's frequentflyer card...!!! ^ :D :D

God bless the good old Swiss(-air) Travelclub days where I was able (~6 years ago, and I did't have status at that time!!) to bring 2 guests into the lounge in BCN using my father's frequentflyer card...!!! ^ :D :D
There is nothing to bless - this was never according to the rules of STC and nothing but an attempt of fraud (By the way: Still no problem today but I would never ever give that advise).

However unless you are getting someone really bad, you will be allowed to guest both your partner and infant son.
@Kiwi: To my humble recollection a Senator is entitled to bring one guest and his entire family. If my recollection is right (at least it is testest in real live) partner plus sun should not be any problem. And it even worked with my elderly parents (admitted: with three words of explanation).

There is nothing to bless - this was never according to the rules of STC and nothing but an attempt of fraud (By the way: Still no problem today but I would never ever give that advise).

I know a young guy who attempted to enter the lounge with his dad's FTL card. The lounge warden found out about it, confiscated the card and threw him out. Even 2-3 years later, his friends still laugh at him because of his stupidity.

There is nothing to bless - this was never according to the rules of STC and nothing but an attempt of fraud (By the way: Still no problem today but I would never ever give that advise).
Of course you're right FlyingLawyer I know, and this was not according to the rules of STC- but com'on... I seriously did it only once!

My post wasn't supposed to be taken for an advise. I'm sorry if people got me wrong here.
Actually Swiss(-air) didn't lose (that much) money with this unique lounge visit since I fly them quit often. And my loyalty to LX is very high. The lounge visit in BCN - among other things - made me hungry :) --> in the meantime I made FTL (on LX metal only!) and am now able to use the lounges according to the M&M rules. But again, I can understand your point here of course, and you're right.

@Kiwi: To my humble recollection a Senator is entitled to bring one guest and his entire family. If my recollection is right (at least it is testest in real live) partner plus sun should not be any problem. And it even worked with my elderly parents (admitted: with three words of explanation).


My GF was denied to bring her sister and parents into the SEN lounge at FRA.

LH published a while ago, that they accept either one guest or the immediate family members, defined as partner and children under 18.

Old post but addresses my question; what about infant and 3 year old kid?
Is there a rule or just up to the warden?

My passed experiences:
- NRT the ANA check in agent gave SEN + 1 guest + Infant + 3 old kind lounge passes
- ARN the SAS lounge warden let us in, no problem.
- FRA the SEN lounge warden let us in no problem.

It is my feeling that the Infant do not count at all and that the 3 year old kid, kind of go as infant as well.

Old post but addresses my question; what about infant and 3 year old kid?
Is there a rule or just up to the warden?

My passed experiences:
- NRT the ANA check in agent gave SEN + 1 guest + Infant + 3 old kind lounge passes
- ARN the SAS lounge warden let us in, no problem.
- FRA the SEN lounge warden let us in no problem.

It is my feeling that the Infant do not count at all and that the 3 year old kid, kind of go as infant as well.
Rather than resurrecting an old discussion there are more recent threads on this including this one (http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=853845).

Rather than resurrecting an old discussion there are more recent threads on this including this one (http://flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=853845).

Thanks, but the thread suggested mostly discusses rules around FCT.
However this thread is more about *G and SEN access to lounges.

Maybe I should reformulate my question;

Is there a rule for beyond the single guest for how many infants (and 3 year old kids), one can bring into the lounge as SEN?

Thank you very much in advance

Officially only 1 guest and yes infants count. In practice some lounge bouncers exercise discretion and allow a young family to enter.

Officially only 1 guest and yes infants count. In practice some lounge bouncers exercise discretion and allow a young family to enter.Anything that substantially decreases weero's well being in an LH lounge ought to pass LH's quality requirements :eek: :o.

*G can indeed bring one guest to the LH Senator lounge if both of you travel with Star carrier. I've done that zillions of time, no issues.

The point is that if you want to bring MORE than 1 guest, they all need to be your immediate family members. Sometimes this becomes tricky, for instance brits hate kids and some lounges ban kids under specific age out of lounge.

They didn't allow my 7 year old daughter in the longe at FRA, although it was half empty. They told me in a very rude voice to either leave the wife of the kid outside, so just told them to go to.........

They also told me that "children disturb the quiet and professional atmosphere of the lounge". As if the suits bavvling into their bluetooth headphones aren't bad enough.

They didn't allow my 7 year old daughter in the longe at FRA, although it was half empty. They told me in a very rude voice to either leave the wife of the kid outside, so just told them to go to........I would have just given them your daughter and said: "You are so kind for offering to take care of her for an hour!"

They didn't allow my 7 year old daughter in the longe at FRA, although it was half empty. They told me in a very rude voice to either leave the wife of the kid outside, so just told them to go to.........

They also told me that "children disturb the quiet and professional atmosphere of the lounge". As if the suits bavvling into their bluetooth headphones aren't bad enough.

I wonder is there is any rule for kids in lounge in general? What would they do if my 3 year old daughter flys in C. Can (will) they refuse entry to the Business Lounge?

I wonder is there is any rule for kids in lounge in general? What would they do if my 3 year old daughter flys in C. Can (will) they refuse entry to the Business Lounge?

I also found nothing about entry rules for kids in the lounge.

I wonder is there is any rule for kids in lounge in general? What would they do if my 3 year old daughter flys in C. Can (will) they refuse entry to the Business Lounge?

No, there isn't any rule. "Normally" behaving children disturb much less than some selfish necktie-clowns, like there was one last sunday at the (very empty) lounge at DUS. This guy was walking around all the tables and up and down, while he was doing a very very important and noisy phone-call, and totally spoiled the calm ambiente of the lounge. When he finished his call after about 15 minutes, he sat down on his chair...

There was a familiy with two young children as well, but they did not stand out at all.

Some LH-lounges even have small playgrounds with toys (e.g. the FCL at MUC).

Some LH-lounges even have small playgrounds with toys (e.g. the FCL at MUC).

That's the reason, why to make HON. :D

No, there isn't any rule. "Normally" behaving children disturb much less than some selfish necktie-clowns, like there was one last sunday at the (very empty) lounge at DUS.

Some LH-lounges even have small playgrounds with toys (e.g. the FCL at MUC).

But what is normal :D ?
Well, I'll see when I take my daughter with me next time from HAM zo ZRH.

I have to say it was really amusing to enter the FRA SEN lounge in Terminal A with the whole family including infant pram. Stay away 21 October in FRA ;-)

Cheers

I wonder is there is any rule for kids in lounge in general? What would they do if my 3 year old daughter flys in C. Can (will) they refuse entry to the Business Lounge?

They would need to let her in unless the lounge is too full or other operational reason.
Micro DUF has been in so many C, SEN and FCL and it was never an issue. Luckily Mrs. DUF is a SEN in her own rights so we never have a problem when traveling together (other than FCL access within OW which so far was never an issue with any lounge dragon).

Just report back that in FRA SEN lounge close to gate A65 we were allowed in with SEN + guest + 3 year kid + infant. However the lounge agent was not happy.
In LAX International terminal *A business lounge they also let us in. They deliberately mentioned that they did an exception.

No, there isn't any rule. "Normally" behaving children disturb much less than some selfish necktie-clowns, like there was one last sunday at the (very empty) lounge at DUS. This guy was walking around all the tables and up and down, while he was doing a very very important and noisy phone-call, and totally spoiled the calm ambiente of the lounge. When he finished his call after about 15 minutes, he sat down on his chair...

There was a familiy with two young children as well, but they did not stand out at all.

Some LH-lounges even have small playgrounds with toys (e.g. the FCL at MUC).

Well, the RULE is ONE guest. And kids are guests. I have never seen any problems with small infants, however fully appreciate if they do not allow a familiy with two teenagers travelling in cheep Eco in.

No problems with kids on a C-Class ticket - Business lounge.