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entropy
Jun 21, 06, 11:49 am
On my sad way back from TLV....




CO 85 TLV-EWR

Security was busy dealing with a pax who had special documentation (he was the only one in front of me in the premium line). Unlike the TSA, they did it with a smile on their faces, and politely. My interview was about 30 seconds. Walked up to the BF check-in, the concierge was asking people who went up there if they were in BF (good, keep out the riff raff). Was issued BPs for my flight and connection on AS to SEA. The agent told me to make sure that I collect my bags at customs in EWR, and handed me the BP's and lounge pass. I picked up some CDs at the landside shop and mailed some postcards at the post office.

The security to airside took less than a minute. No shoe removal :) Passport control I waited about 30 secs behind someone, I used the Israeli national line though I do not hold an Israeli passport. 15 s later I was on my way. Grabbed 4 bottles of Castel grand Vin 2002 (highly recommended) at the duty free (they were doing buy 3 get one free, so it was 26 a bottle, a great price). Before heading to the lounge I grabbed an orange juice at Juiceland (for those of you who don't know, the oranges in Israel are the best in the world)\, so I had my last taste of OJ. While I was standing in line, the waterfall started running, it is a really nice sight. Fortunately in the lounge you can bring outside food, so they didn't have a problem with the OJ. I picked up 6 glass bottled diet cokes, and some tomatoes and hummus and some pastries for breakfast, along with an espresso. The lounge was moderately busy but certainly not overcrowded. The wireless worked quickly and easily (small sign on page, free of course).

I walked to the gate 15 minutes after the boarding on the BP, they were running the BF/EA, there was a crowd, but the agents were properly denying the non-EA people. No line up in the jetway. Greeted with a menu and kit. No personal welcome from the FSC/Concierge. Diet coke for pre-flight. Orders were taken pre-departure, they checked to make sure I had ordered the KSML. For KSML, they pass out the nuts and drink, while the rest of the whole setup is in the first part of the meal. The meal was made by Madaan. The salad was good, better than the usual CO one, with hard boiled eggs, asparagus and beets. The dressing wasn't even necessary. It also came with smoked salmon, which I don't particularly like, so I didn't eat it. There was a chocolate and nuts mousse also, it was a bit tasty. And a roll, that was also good. When the appetizer cart rolled by I got one of the dried beefs. They brought the entree, unfortunately, it was marked FISH. That made me unhappy, I don't like fish. It was still relatively tasty, and the rice (mixed white and wild with diced red and orange peppers) was great with it, and the veggies were good. The steak that my seatmate had looked great, I think I would have liked it better.

They didn't have Israeli wine yet, except for Yarden Kosher wine, which isn't that good. I got the cheese, fruit and ice cream with cobbler. 2 espressos, with a smile on their face for a change, I was surprised that they asked if I'd like a second. Wine and water were kept properly refilled throughout.

5 hours into the flight was the first snack. the usual midflight egg/chicken sandwiches. They are decent, but they had the kosher ones, which were much better. They were larger sandwiches, chicken with tapenade and olive oil. And a cinnamon custard. After was the pear tart, and coffee/tea.

Interestingly, whereas usually we head almost straight north, through eastern europe, the route back has been very southerly, through italy, and then spain and over Porto, through the mid-atlantic, almost due west. Ground speed is still showing 570 mph, and, midway through an ETA of 3:55p.

IN another 2 hours we had the hot cookie service, they came on plates. It was chocolate with walnuts. they were good, but I like the plain chocolate chip better. The FAMs (3 of them, taking up valuable J seats... .......s) were usually congregated in the 2L area. They were very obvious, thick guys. When going thru customs they used the crew line, suspicions confirmed :) 1:30 before landing they passed out the landing cards, and the last meal. It was a chicken sandwich, or turkey, I couldn't tell. With mozzarella on rolls. I just ate the chicken, which was good. They had forgotten to give me the KSML, but another guy near me had it and it was a hamburger, that looked decent. The meal came with fresh fruit (quite good), and chocolate which I didn't eat. Overall there were 2 great FAs in our cabin, the FSC seemed like he was kinda off the mark. The concierges were just standing around. I forgot to mention that the movies sucked.

We arrived going south, TD at 4:15, got to the gate 10 minutes later. I think we either beat CO 9 or got in significantly after because we didn't have much cross-traffic. I had a bad line, 4 people who took for-freaking ever. No problem for me, 30 seconds. The luggage was out in another 5, The total time until I was outside security was about 25 minutes from the seat. Airtrain'd it over to A, no line, much to my surprise, yay! went to the club, the agent seemed unhappy to see me, welcome back to NYNJ. After about 20 minutes I headed to the gate where they were already boarding. On AS they give you a mini bottle of water preflight. I haven't been on one of their 73G's, their F seats are weird. Very uncomfortable for sleeping. Choice of pork chops or sesame chicken. Sesame chicken was the choice. We pushed 3 minutes early, but got stuck in the queue, and ATC put us in the penalty box. 50 minutes later we were on our way. They passed out digEplayers. The choices were lousy, Big Mama 2, I guess Dodgeball is kinda funny in a stupid way.

Got a G&T, with these gross sesame sticks flavored with honey mustard. ick. The salad was very nice, better than CO's usual offering, but the tomato was tasteless. They had a prayer card on it, I find that kinda tacky, but oh well. It came with a roll that was so so. The sesame chicken was a breaded chicken breast with very salty but thick soy sauce drizzled over it. It was ok, the chicken itself was good, but the sauce was too salty, the vegetables were eh, and the rice was good but there wasn't much of it. The dessert was a slice of caramel pie, I passed. Of note there was no hot towel service.

We arrived in SEA 30 minutes late. Bags came out about 15 minutes later.


uclabruin82
Jun 21, 06, 12:56 pm
Very nice report, although now I crave some real OJ!
Starting to plan a trip to Tel-Aviv and was wondering if you have flown any of the European airlines and how they compare to CO in Business?

entropy
Jun 21, 06, 2:58 pm
yes, it was quite disappointing this morning having the Florida's Natural... blech

CO is better than AF in business, I think. one thing to keep in mind is that the european airlines except LH and BA fly narrowbodies with eurobiz to TLV.

DL is probably decent, and the premium cabin demand there is probably a bit lower than NY-TLV, so ug/rewards might be a little easier.

I have pictures but not the connector, so I'll upload those later.


apirchik
Jun 22, 06, 4:19 am
I picked up some CDs at the landside shop and mailed some postcards at the post office.


I know some wierdoes still buy CDs (including myself), but send postcards? :D

entropy
Jun 22, 06, 10:22 am
my grandparents like that kind of thing.

MSY-MSP
Jun 22, 06, 6:08 pm
yes, it was quite disappointing this morning having the Florida's Natural... blech

CO is better than AF in business, I think. one thing to keep in mind is that the european airlines except LH and BA fly narrowbodies with eurobiz to TLV.

DL is probably decent, and the premium cabin demand there is probably a bit lower than NY-TLV, so ug/rewards might be a little easier.

I have pictures but not the connector, so I'll upload those later.

Sounds like a typical trip back from TLV. Actually I remember when LH had one widebody flight and one narrow body flight out of TLV. The narrowbody was the morning flight (ok 5:00 am which I classify as a too early in the morning flight) and the widebody was the afternoon flight. It was this flight that made me make sure that I was on a widebody in and out of TLV, or at least an airline that had a proper J class.

BTW, why did you buy the CD's landside instead of airside?

entropy
Jun 23, 06, 1:50 pm
the landside store is cheaper.
(or so I was told)

More Champagne Sir?
Jun 23, 06, 3:57 pm
They had forgotten to give me the KSML, but another guy near me had it and it was a hamburger, that looked decent.
:eek: Great report, but the bit above has really shocked me! Was it a case that they simply forgot and apologised afterwards or had it not been loaded? Personally if I request a special meal, I don't expect the cabin crew to forget about it, especially when travelling in a premium cabin.

entropy
Jun 23, 06, 4:58 pm
they didn't apologize, or notice.

I think during the main meal, when I also took the appetizers and cheese and stuff, my FA (who was Israeli) realized that I don't actually keep kosher.

the service near the ends of those long flights tends to get more rough around the edges. The FSC was certainly not doing a great job, and the FAM's and FAs were just hanging out most of the flight in the galley.

More Champagne Sir?
Jun 23, 06, 6:18 pm
they didn't apologize, or notice.
:td: :td: :td: Disgraceful.

entropy
Jun 23, 06, 11:08 pm
it wasn't a big deal and they knew that

mikebg
Jun 25, 06, 5:41 am
They didn't have Israeli wine yet, except for Yarden Kosher wine, which isn't that good.

I find that comment quite bizzare, considering that Yarden wines are regarded as being about the best quality wines made in Israel today, kosher or not. That is, except for something they call 'Mount Hermon Red', which for reasons unknown is a poor (and cheap) wine presented as part of the winery's premium range. If you take a look at Daniel Rogov's Guide to Israeli Wines you will see that the Golan Heights Winery (which makes Yarden wines) is one of the best, if not the best winery in the country.

entropy
Jun 25, 06, 12:22 pm
HAHA,
maybe the best commercial winery.

Most of the boutique wineries are far better. Flam, Castel, Margalit are all vastly superior to Yarden.

mikebg
Jun 25, 06, 12:47 pm
HAHA,
maybe the best commercial winery.

Most of the boutique wineries are far better. Flam, Castel, Margalit are all vastly superior to Yarden.

I am actually extremely familiar with the Israeli wine scene. I would not say that "Flam, Castel, Margalit are all vastly superior to Yarden". Some of their wines are superior to many of the Yarden wines, but some are definitely not! I refer anyone who wants more information to Daniel Rogov's book, which is pretty comprehensive.

entropy
Jun 25, 06, 12:52 pm
I would.

apirchik
Jun 26, 06, 1:58 am
I find that comment quite bizzare, considering that Yarden wines are regarded as being about the best quality wines made in Israel today, kosher or not. That is, except for something they call 'Mount Hermon Red', which for reasons unknown is a poor (and cheap) wine presented as part of the winery's premium range. If you take a look at Daniel Rogov's Guide to Israeli Wines you will see that the Golan Heights Winery (which makes Yarden wines) is one of the best, if not the best winery in the country.

The red "Yarden Mount Hermon" is a young blend that is a success every year and it's a 30 Shekels bottle (roughly $8) in every grocery store. They also have a white version but it's not as good.

mikebg
Jun 26, 06, 2:02 am
Mount Hermon Red may well be a commercial success, but it is not only a poor wine, but poor value for money. For about the same money you can get quite reasonable quality Harei Galil wines (also kosher). It is strange that the Mount Hermon Red is still sold under the premium 'Yarden' label, rather than the 'Golan' label.

apirchik
Jun 26, 06, 2:08 am
I am actually extremely familiar with the Israeli wine scene. I would not say that "Flam, Castel, Margalit are all vastly superior to Yarden". Some of their wines are superior to many of the Yarden wines, but some are definitely not! I refer anyone who wants more information to Daniel Rogov's book, which is pretty comprehensive.

Wine taste is so subjective that no one can say that one person can determine if a wine is good or not (even Rogov :) ). Golan heights wineries (makers of Yarden) have their qualities as a major winery with the amount of flavours they can add to their wines. For a single grape type wine (like Cabarnet or Merlot) it has to be at least 80-85% of the same type, but the winery has the 15-20% to play with and the bigger the winery is and it's wine range, the bigger the space they have to play with. This is why I appreciate great wine from smaller wineries much more than the bigger ones.

I never tasted a bad wine from Flam and Margalit. I also love the wine that comes from my mentor in wines - Saslove. His small winery in Kibbutz Eyal (near Kochav Yair - next the Eyal exit on route 6) is quite an experience.

apirchik
Jun 26, 06, 2:11 am
Mount Hermon Red may well be a commercial success, but it is not only a poor wine, but poor value for money. For about the same money you can get quite reasonable quality Harei Galil wines (also kosher). It is strange that the Mount Hermon Red is still sold under the premium 'Yarden' label, rather than the 'Golan' label.

And who are you to tell them which label they should choose for their wine ... :D - That's a great example on how subjective wine can be :)

I know a lot of people that would buy a 20 shekels wine in the store and honestly tell you it's the best wine in the world and that they can't understand why people have to pay 10 times more for other bottles. I also know people who think the red kidush wines (known as hammer wine) is the real wine and all other is not ... :)

fool4miles
Jun 27, 06, 9:27 am
OP: we're gearing up for our trip to TLV next week, as I mentioned before...can you clarify which lounge we get access to in TLV? i saw several listed on the TLV website, but obviously no PC or ST lounge there, right?

Thx for the summary!

entropy
Jun 27, 06, 10:32 am
The most popular wine in the world is.... Franzia.. yeah that disgusting boxed wine...

anyways, back on topic, the lounge is the DAN lounge, its listed on CO's website...

Terminal 3 at Ben Gurion Airport recently opened new airport lounges managed by the Dan Hotel Chain and QAS, known as Dan Lounges.
The comfortable and elegant lounges offer a seating capacity of up to 320 customers and are conveniently situated close to the shops in the center of the terminal, and short distance from the departure gates.
The Dan Lounges are divided into seating areas allowing travelers a feeling of privacy. There are many comfortable armchairs throughout the lounge. The glass walls provide passengers with excellent views of the runway.
The hospitality service includes a buffet with snack bar, a variety of drinks and alcohol. Refreshments are changed throughout the day according to the time of day.
There are many amenities inside the lounge including, computer stations, wireless internet connections for laptops, a large variety of magazines, daily newspapers, flat screen televisions and a private room designated for V.I.P. guests.
The Dan Lounges are located in Concourse B and C. The lounges are open daily according to the airline schedules.

Gardyloo
Jun 27, 06, 12:16 pm
The comfortable and elegant lounges offer a seating capacity of up to 320 customers and are conveniently situated close to the shops in the center of the terminal, and short distance from the departure gates.
The Dan Lounges are divided into seating areas allowing travelers a feeling of privacy. There are many comfortable armchairs throughout the lounge. The glass walls provide passengers with excellent views of the runway.
The hospitality service includes a buffet with snack bar, a variety of drinks and alcohol. Refreshments are changed throughout the day according to the time of day.
There are many amenities inside the lounge including, computer stations, wireless internet connections for laptops, a large variety of magazines, daily newspapers, flat screen televisions and a private room designated for V.I.P. guests.
The Dan Lounges are located in Concourse B and C. The lounges are open daily according to the airline schedules.Great description; however one's choice of adjectives may vary, e.g., "comfortable," "elegant," etc.

apirchik
Jun 27, 06, 3:05 pm
OP: we're gearing up for our trip to TLV next week, as I mentioned before...can you clarify which lounge we get access to in TLV? i saw several listed on the TLV website, but obviously no PC or ST lounge there, right?

Thx for the summary!

TLV has 2 lounges - King David for LY pax only and Dan (in 2 locations) for all other airlines. The Dan is not a PC nor a ST lounge. Some people in FT have recently posted that CO are not giving lounge passes to ST Elites but only to BF pax.

More Champagne Sir?
Jun 27, 06, 5:27 pm
TLV has 2 lounges - King David for LY pax only and Dan (in 2 locations) for all other airlines. The Dan is not a PC nor a ST lounge. Some people in FT have recently posted that CO are not giving lounge passes to ST Elites but only to BF pax.
FYI both Dan lounges are available to Priority Pass holders.

entropy
Jun 27, 06, 5:51 pm
Great description; however one's choice of adjectives may vary, e.g., "comfortable," "elegant," etc.
that's CO's description. I think it is pretty comfortable a rather cool.



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