Trip Reports - Boeing 707; Tehran – Mashad; Saha Air




MilesDependent
Jun 17, 06, 8:50 am
Boeing 707; Tehran – Mashad; Saha Air

It must be said from the outset that there’s not too many chances to fly on a Boeing 707 these days. In fact, outside of Iran and Military charters, it’s darn near impossible.

Being an aviation enthusiast, and missing the 707 from my log, I decided to head to Iran. Of course, the 707 is just a long list of amazing attractions and things to see and do in Iran. I spent a week there visiting Tehran, Isfahan and Shiraz.

For the 707, we would fly THR-MHD-THR, i.e., a turn-around at MHD.

I must apologise in advance for the lack of quality photos in this report. You see, taking photos at airports or on board aircraft in Iran is 100% illegal. And to make matters more interesting, there is an armed guard who sits at the front of the plane, facing all the pax, making sure nothing untoward is underway. Plus, there are 4-6 undercover guards sitting amongst the passengers.

17 April 2006
Tehran (THR) – Mashad (MHD)
Saha Air (IRZ) Flight # 164
Depart: 14:30 (Actual: 14:25); Arrive: 16:00 (Actual: 15:39)
Boeing 707-3J9C (EP-SHV)
Ticket cost: About US$15

I arrived into Tehran that morning onboard an Emirates flight from Dubai. All Middle East flights into Tehran use the brand new Imam Khomeiny (IKA) airport which is a ways out of town. All other international and all domestic flights use the run down Mehrabad (THR) airport not far from downtown. The scheduled arrival time for my EK flight was 9:15am, and I was planning on dumping my bags at the hotel before heading to THR for the B707.

Unfortunately, my EK flight was around 50 minutes late, and we then spent over 2 hours waiting for the visa to be approved. So we had to head straight to THR with our bags.

THR airport is a lot like any other airport in a developing country. Crowded, old and dirty. But I’ve seen a lot worse. There are plenty of shops and comfortable seating areas. They even had a left-luggage to store our bags. The one thing I found a little intense was the fact that I was the only foreigner in the airport (my friend is Italian and looked 100% Iranian). Of course, you find the staring in India, China, Japan etc. but I found it worse in Iran.

Check-in is surprisingly efficient. There is one counter for each flight, and it opens 60 minutes before departure. Boarding passes are pre-printed with a sticker assigned. The check-in agent assigned us to the exit row. That’s row 15 if seatguru.com ever wants to add Saha 707s to their list :D

Security is not much worse than the TSA. They x-ray bags and you are then given the pat-down.

There are no air bridges in THR, the waiting area is just a whole lot of shops (selling candies and nuts – everyone in Iran loves nuts). There are, of course, the obligatory photos of Khomeini (1 and 2) prominently displayed. Similar to the photos of Ho Chi Minh you find in Vietnam. There are no boarding announcements in English, but there is a flight display board which has a gate number on it, and that’s in English, so it’s pretty easy to figure out what’s going on.

Around 30 minutes before departure time, our flight status changes to boarding, so we head out and are taken by bus to the majestic 707. The load today is only around 30 people, around 5 of whom are security personnel.

Here she is:
http://www.hotelcheckpoint.com/temp/Saha-707.jpg

I was amazed at the spaciousness of the 707. It really was a throw-back to how flying used to be, before they started trying to get as many seats there as possible. When you enter there is a crew rest area at the front of the cabin, which is two rows of seats facing each other (Southwest style) with a table in the middle. At the back of the plane there is the galley and the toilets. But this area is so spacious, it kind of opens up into a lobby. The toilet was twice the size of what you find on a 737.

Here are a few interior photos I snapped during the flights (again, sorry for the bad quality, but you know, I had to be a little discreet).
http://www.hotelcheckpoint.com/temp/iran03.jpg

http://www.hotelcheckpoint.com/temp/iran01.jpg

http://www.hotelcheckpoint.com/temp/iran02.jpg

Speaking of toilets, that was my first stop, thanks to a case of the Tehran Trots :D Whilst enjoying the spaciousness of the 707 lavs, our captain decided to get things moving, and we started taxiing with me on the throne. Whoops.

I ran back to my seat, not wanting to miss the 707 take-off. I was quite looking forward to seeing the safety demonstration, but my friend told me there wasn’t one lol.

Here are some photos departing Tehran (technically, these are actually landing in Tehran from the MHD-THR flight).

http://www.hotelcheckpoint.com/temp/iran04.jpg

http://www.hotelcheckpoint.com/temp/iran05.jpg

http://www.hotelcheckpoint.com/temp/iran06.jpg

The catering on this flight was superb. There is a snack box which consisted of a piece of cake, a bag of pistachio nuts, a juice and a chocolate. After the snack, the attendants come around with piping hot tea. 10 out of 10.

Service was not terribly friendly. Saha Air is a ‘subsidiary’ of the Iranian Military, and these 707s are used mostly for chartering army personnel around the country. So, I don’t think customer service is much of a priority.

The scenery from this flight was amazing, flying over majestic mountain landscapes and small towns. Here’s a few photos during the flight, and coming into Mashad.

http://www.hotelcheckpoint.com/temp/iran07.jpg

http://www.hotelcheckpoint.com/temp/iran08.jpg

http://www.hotelcheckpoint.com/temp/iran09.jpg

The 707 is a fantastic plane to fly. It’s spacious and not really that noisy (from the inside at least). I won't go into detail about the return flight, suffice to say, it was exactly the same, but a lot more crowded. We also flew Iran Air a couple of times while in Iran. A great airline with great service and food.

PS – If you are American and are intending on visiting Iran, you might want to keep away from this street (which is a hot-bed of anti-Americanism)

http://www.hotelcheckpoint.com/temp/iran10.jpg

PS2 – If you are used to Starwood properties, be forewarned, that once you get out of Tehran, the best hotels look a little like this:
http://www.hotelcheckpoint.com/temp/iran11.jpg

:D It’s all part of the experience!!


Swanhunter
Jun 17, 06, 8:54 am
Fantastic report - always great to get one from off the beaten track. ^

catwood
Jun 17, 06, 9:53 am
Thanks I really enjoyed this trip report


SMART51
Jun 17, 06, 10:22 am
Very nice report.Just a small warning.If u got caught taking pictures you would have been charged with spying,and that carries the death penalty.Glad you are safe.

MilesDependent
Jun 17, 06, 11:04 am
Very nice report.Just a small warning.If u got caught taking pictures you would have been charged with spying,and that carries the death penalty.Glad you are safe.

:eek:

In that case I'm guessing the authorities probably would have taken a pretty dim view of this Iranian Air Force Mig 29 photo:
http://www.hotelcheckpoint.com/temp/plane.jpg

Just as well I didn't know about that little law when I took that photo. Read about my fun and games with the Iranian Military Police here (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5940602#post5940602). I think a change of underwear would most definitely have been required had I have known :D

Sunnyhere
Jun 17, 06, 12:04 pm
Thank you for the trip report. I'm very anxious to visit Iran, but it's not so easy for Americans. My Iranian friend told me her sister's Australian boyfriend was free to travel about Iran on a motorcycle, and do what he pleased. When my friend's American friend visited, he had to join a tour group and was carefully watched. When he visited my friend's family, the "tour guide" was required to join them, which made everyone uncomfortable, and made my friend quite sad.

SMART51
Jun 17, 06, 1:23 pm
:eek:

In that case I'm guessing the authorities probably would have taken a pretty dim view of this Iranian Air Force Mig 29 photo:
http://www.hotelcheckpoint.com/temp/plane.jpg

Just as well I didn't know about that little law when I took that photo. Read about my fun and games with the Iranian Military Police here (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5940602#post5940602). I think a change of underwear would most definitely have been required had I have known :D
You do not know how lucky you are.If y were caught with that picture the next few weeks would have been hell.

Serge1977
Jun 17, 06, 1:42 pm
excellent story!

TrayflowInUK
Jun 17, 06, 1:47 pm
Ultra-cool trip report... sub-zero. Risking liberty, life, and limb to post a trip report on FlyerTalk. Now that's dedication. Makes my suffering in MH's F-class seem... trivial :D. Though I must say that, from the pictures, your comments about the spaciousness of the 707 seem unsubstantiated. Looks like 3-3 seating as on a modern 737 which I believe has the same fuselage cross-section, and the seat pitch didn't look that generous, though it's hard to tell from the angle of the pic. Of course, I'm sure it was amply spacious in the exit row!

Regardless, excellent TR, thanks for posting.

RatherBeSailing
Jun 17, 06, 6:31 pm
Though I must say that, from the pictures, your comments about the spaciousness of the 707 seem unsubstantiated. Looks like 3-3 seating as on a modern 737 which I believe has the same fuselage cross-section, and the seat pitch didn't look that generous, though it's hard to tell from the angle of the pic.

Maybe it was the old-school open overhead bins that made things feel spacious :).

Excellent trip report and glad that you're photos didn't get you in trouble...

YVR Cockroach
Jun 17, 06, 9:22 pm
Those 707 photos bring back memories! I think it's been over 28-30 years since I last flew one! Many memories of 4-5 stop flights between SIN and LHR (or v-v) on QF and MS (Malaysia Singapore) 707s.

AJLondon
Jun 18, 06, 5:25 pm
Most interesting trip report. ^

izzik
Jun 18, 06, 10:44 pm
can't imagine turbulence on those 707s! luggage flying everywhere! :D

I wonder if the US military will decide to use your photos. :p

Kiwi Flyer
Jun 19, 06, 8:09 pm
Great report MilesDependent ^^

kpc
Jun 20, 06, 4:03 am
I really enjoyed this report ^ ^ ...I'm sure you were very glad that you were no longer in Iran when you found out the penalty for taking those pictures :D :D

MilesDependent
Jun 20, 06, 8:07 am
Thanks for the replies. Glad you enjoyed the report.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4965216.stm


Swedes jailed in Iran for photos
An Iranian court has sentenced two Swedish men to three years in prison for photographing military facilities.
According to Swedish media, the men took pictures of military buildings on Qeshm, an Iranian island.


:td:

I don't want to think what would have happened had those military police managed to turn my camera on.

Anyway, live & learn!

mdc57
Jun 20, 06, 1:23 pm
Congratulations on authoring a fascinating trip report complete with rare photos. ^

thebug622
Jun 21, 06, 3:20 pm
You do not know how lucky you are.If y were caught with that picture the next few weeks would have been hell.
Why would a photo of a aircraft bother the local authorities its not like it a special or secret model that model is flown in many air forces in the world,I think Malaysia uses them.It does not even look as if it is carrying any weapons

SMART51
Jun 21, 06, 6:35 pm
Why would a photo of a aircraft bother the local authorities its not like it a special or secret model that model is flown in many air forces in the world,I think Malaysia uses them.It does not even look as if it is carrying any weapons
In Iran it is forbidden to take a picture of military installations,civilian airports,taking pictures of the ground while you are on a plane.If you have a problem with that i suggest you take a trip to Iran and ask them why?
Just remember it is very tense in that area this days.

Swiss Tony
Jun 22, 06, 12:40 am
Why would a photo of a aircraft bother the local authorities its not like it a special or secret model that model is flown in many air forces in the world,I think Malaysia uses them.It does not even look as if it is carrying any weapons

Very much the same was as the US get "all in a dizzy" over pax queueing for the onboard toilets or having curtains between the cabins I suppose. There's a perceived risk attached (whether real or not is highly debatable) so they rule against it.

Something that is seen as perfectly normal in the rest of the world suddenly becomes a massive issue in Iran/the US....

USA_flyer
Jun 22, 06, 3:34 am
Why would a photo of a aircraft bother the local authorities its not like it a special or secret model that model is flown in many air forces in the world,I think Malaysia uses them.It does not even look as if it is carrying any weapons

Perhaps it has something to do with not wanting outsiders to know the configuration of facilities or the maintenence situation of its aircraft. Either way, rules is rules, especially in Iran.

I thought it was a trully fascinating trip report and I am glad the OP shared it with us. Thank you.

IceTrojan
Jun 22, 06, 3:57 am
Wow, awesome report! But I must've missed the memo... how were you able to post pics? Are the [img] tags not disabled in this forum?

InIndiana
Jun 24, 06, 1:51 am
This was really awesome, thanks for sharing the photos.

Gustaf
Jun 24, 06, 12:36 pm
Can only agree with previous posters, awesome report!

jacob_m
Jun 24, 06, 1:27 pm
Wow, great report!! Well done!! ^

sftrvlr
Jun 27, 06, 4:27 pm
Chiming in w/ another thanks for a superb, and unusual report!

aw
Jun 27, 06, 8:30 pm
Thanks for an extraordinary report and allowing us a glimpse to a corner of the world that most of us would rarely see. Your report is even more valuable considering the potential repercusions that you might have suffered by breaking their law. "When in Rome, do as the Romans" is a good motto to keep in mind when you travel to a foreign land, no matter how ridiculous their rules seem to be.

TrayflowInUK
Jun 28, 06, 12:12 pm
The other good motto/cliché being, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse..." :D

Babu
Jun 30, 06, 12:02 pm
very much enjoyed reading this, and seeing the pics of the grand old Queen Mother (the 707)!!

OutOfOffice
Jun 30, 06, 5:02 pm
Unless I flew one as a wee lad, the 707 is really the only major aircraft type I have not flown. A true pleasure to read your trip report and color me green withe envy!

Mateo4321
Jul 1, 06, 9:24 am
Nice Report!

Here are some other pics I found

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?airlinesearch=Saha%20Air&distinct_entry=true

I hope they didn't get in trouble either!

MilesDependent
Jul 1, 06, 7:49 pm
The photos seem to have gone kaput from where I had them stored. I will find someone else shortly.

Cheerio,
MD

Craig6z
Jul 3, 06, 6:15 pm
The photos seem to have gone kaput from where I had them stored. I will find someone else shortly.

Cheerio,
MD

I smell a conspiracy, regarding the Iranian Secret Police ;)

Bretteee
Jul 6, 06, 12:51 pm
You must be very young. For us "older folks" all we flew on mostly between about 1962 through 1972 were B707s. They were great planes and had a great safety record.

kneemuh
Aug 4, 08, 11:37 am
The photos seem to have gone kaput from where I had them stored. I will find someone else shortly.

Cheerio,
MD
Any idea what happened to the photos? I'm planning to visit Iran and would really like to see the photos you took.

notsosmart
Aug 4, 08, 11:48 am
Any idea what happened to the photos? I'm planning to visit Iran and would really like to see the photos you took.

Hello kneemuh, welcome to FT. :)

You could try sending the OP (original poster) a private message. Just click on his/her name.

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(Nevermind. I just tried, and MilesDependent doesn't accept PM)

number5858
Aug 4, 08, 12:10 pm
One really nice thing about 707s (depends on the engines, of course), is that they have turbo jet engines rather than turbo fans so they have pretty much instant throttle response rather than the long spool up time of a turbo fan. They do better at higher altitudes as well (i.e. more efficient).

Cosmos M
Aug 4, 08, 12:37 pm
Ticket cost: About US$15



Really?!?! That seems amazing to me. I guess the government covers the majority of the cost?

kneemuh
Aug 4, 08, 12:43 pm
Hello kneemuh, welcome to FT. :)


Thanks -- I didn't think anyone would notice. =)

BiziBB
Aug 4, 08, 6:55 pm
Any idea what happened to the photos? I'm planning to visit Iran and would really like to see the photos you took.

Welcome to FlyerTalk, kneemuh!

There are some great pics and other info on an original B707 (first sold to an airline outside USA,IIRC) restored by Qantas for a flight from a UK wrecking yard to Sydney and then on to Longreach.

Another QF 707, used until this year by the RAAF as a passenger plane (and for the Prime Minister's trips until recently) was just retired.

I'll have a look for the first one tonight.

I'll add this interesting trip report to the Mid East Trip Reports index on the Mid East /Africa FFP forum (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=792412). :)

If you would like to see some VERY close up shots of the B707, have another look at the final scenes in Bullitt! It's a great film and is worth a look at the HD version.

MilesDependent
Aug 5, 08, 8:10 pm
What is generally the best site to keep photos on? I see Photobucket seems popular?

This was part 1 of my Axis of Evil Tour. I did part 2 to North Koreas 12 months later, and managed to get a ride on the Air Koryo IL-62. I am trying to organise Part 3 to Iraq for early next year. Am deciding between a turn-around Amman-Baghdad-Amman, or going to Kurdish Iraq (in the north of Iraq) for a night or two.

You must be very young. For us "older folks" all we flew on mostly between about 1962 through 1972 were B707s. They were great planes and had a great safety record.

I think in life being "young" is relative to your own age! I am 30, so to a 50 year old I am positively young, to a 15 year old I am positively ancient :)

Hello kneemuh, welcome to FT. :)

(Nevermind. I just tried, and MilesDependent doesn't accept PM)

True true, I don't mean to be a snob in this regard, but I just never remember to reply to PMs. So rather than offend people by not replying (as I have done in the past), I decided to turn them off. I am much better at replying to messages posted normally on the boards. Even regarding 2+ year old threads such as this one :)

kneemuh
Aug 12, 08, 1:59 pm
True true, I don't mean to be a snob in this regard, but I just never remember to reply to PMs. So rather than offend people by not replying (as I have done in the past), I decided to turn them off. I am much better at replying to messages posted normally on the boards. Even regarding 2+ year old threads such as this one :)

I'm very impressed that you caught the rebirth of the thread -- I figured it was a lost cause. =)

Photobucket is extremely popular. I know the co-owner, actually, and have a lot of respect for them. I suppose that's besides the point, though. In any case, if you're so willing, you could repost the photos using Photobucket, or if you prefer, you can PM me for my email address and shoot 'em over that way.

Thanks!

Bretteee
Aug 16, 08, 12:46 pm
On Airliners.net I have seen reports on domestic Iran flights with tons of pictures.



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