JetBlue TrueBlue - Destination Rumors

Again, these are RUMORS...anything is possible and nothing is official until (if and when) the actual announcement.

Also, please post any rumors you may have heard.

The source for these is from a crewmember I was speaking to.

1) New Caribbean Destinations possible: Aruba, St. Thomas, St. Croix

2) Connecting AUS to MCO

3) MCO a base by years end and a gateway to the Caribbean

4) This is something more well known: connecting AUS to San Jose, CA

5) AUS to BUR?

5) American Airlines is pulling out of Chicago Midway (hint, hint?)

Again, anything is possible as we have seen from the past. I, personally, would expect more east coast markets to be connected. Also, does anyone know whats going on with Cancun? I know jetBlue applied back in Nov./Dec. to start nonstop JFK-Cancun service...did they not get it YET because of the hurricanes or possibly Spirit?

The source for these is from a crewmember I was speaking to.

2) Connecting AUS to MCO

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4) This is something more well known: connecting AUS to San Jose, CA

5) AUS to BUR?


I haven't heard any rumors, but JetBlue seems to be doing well in AUS. I don't know what kind of yields they're getting, but they are managing to fill the majority of their seats.

You can go to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (http://www.bts.gov/programs/airline_information/airline_ontime_statistics/) and look at the on time summary statistics for B6 in AUS to determine how many flights B6 operated in and out of AUS for the month.

Choose "origin Airport" and when that screen comes up, enter AUS for the airport and JetBlue for the airline in the drop-down tables. Then enter your date range. (ex: January 19 through January 31, 2006 - the number of days jetBlue operated out of AUS in January.). The table that comes up will sub total B6 flights at the bottom (51) That's how many departures B6 operated from AUS in January.

Then go back and do the same thing only this time choose "destination airport" and repeat the above process. B6 had 52 arrivals at AUS in January for a total of 103 total flights.

Multiply 103 total flights by 100 seats on each flight and you come up with 10,300 available B6 seats in and out of AUS during the month of January.

Then, you can go here (http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/austinairport/activity.htm) to see how many B6 passengers traveled in and out of AUS by month. In January, B6 flew 6,406 passengers in and out of AUS.

6,405 passengers flown divided by 10,300 available seats = 62.18% of all available B6 AUS seats filled - not bad for the first 13 days of new service by a new carrier.

Statistics for February show much improvement.

There were 112 departures and 112 arrivals for a total of 224 B6 flights at AUS in February which translates into 22,400 available seats. JetBlue carried 17,1777 passengers at AUS in February.

17, 177 passengers divided by 22,400 available seats = 76.68% of all available B6 AUS seats filled in February.

Historically, January and February aren't busy months for AUS, but March is either the second or third busiest month and BTS released their March statistics earlier this week.

There were 124 departures and 124 arrivals for a total of 248 B6 flights at AUS in March which translates into 24,800 available seats. JetBlue carried 21,362 passengers at AUS in March.

21,362 passengers divided by 24,800 available seats = 86.13% of all available B6 AUS seats filled for March.

The WCIT (World Congress on Information Technology) just wrapped up a 5 day conerence here in Austin with over 2000 delegates from 80 countries attending and it's hoped that this will bring new technology business to the city.

One of the articles I read earlier about WCIT mentioned that Austin ranked third as a US Technology center behind the Silicon Valley and Boston, so I think a SJC-AUS might work. I think AA is the only carrier that offers nonstop service in this market and it's 3 or 4 daily.

I believe SEA is Austin's most popular destination without nonstop service by any carrier, so that might be another route they could consider. There were 338 travelers per day on this route according to Q3 2005 statistics (http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/domfares/tab6053.txt) - the latest available.

OAK is another airport that has no nonstop service from AUS. FLL also doesn't have nonstop service. Since B6 already offers one daily OAK-FLL flight, why not supplement that with a one-stop OAK-AUS-FLL trip? That would give AUS nonstop service to two new cities and would add another freqency in the OAK-FLL market although it wouldn't be a nonstop.

The only nonstop service to Florida AUS currently has is one daily WN nonstop to TPA and one to MCO. Everything else requires a connection through HOU, DFW, IAH, MEM, or ATL.

Re: AUS - BUR

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For the past.six years, MovieMaker magazine has named Austin among the top moviemaking cities in the country. In 2004,.the Capital City.topped the list of "Top 10 Cities for Moviemakers" and took the #2 spot this year and last, just behind New York City.

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I think an AUS - BUR would work.

Unfortunately, didn't JetBlue recently say it was going to concentrate more on short-hauol flights? If so, that may rule out the longer-haul routes from AUS like SJC and BUR.

It will be interesting to see what JetBlue does the rest of the year.

Mike

While checking in for an Alaska Airlines flight on Wednesday, saw a sign at the JetBlue counter announcing new service from Burbank to Orlando.

While checking in for an Alaska Airlines flight on Wednesday, saw a sign at the JetBlue counter announcing new service from Burbank to Orlando.
Yes, nonstop BUR-MCO begins June 30, 2006. However, I am talking about Destination "Rumors"...not cities already offiially announced.

BUR-MCO will be an exciting nonstop route though.

Yes, nonstop BUR-MCO begins June 30, 2006. However, I am talking about Destination "Rumors"...not cities already offiially announced.

BUR-MCO will be an exciting nonstop route though.

Just curious...what makes this route so "exciting" ?

Just curious...what makes this route so "exciting" ?
I didn't say SO exciting. I said it will be an exciting route. What will be exciting is that BUR is an upscale market and that area of California has close connections to Orlando, FL -- both Disney AND Universal have MAJOR theme parks in those city pairs. There is not much direct competition on this route either.

I think you just deceived the word "exciting" in the wrong way. Any new routets that have a good chance of being profitable is "exciting" and welcomed news for jetBlue.

Again, these are RUMORS...anything is possible and nothing is official until (if and when) the actual announcement.

Also, please post any rumors you may have heard.

The source for these is from a crewmember I was speaking to.

1) New Caribbean Destinations possible: Aruba, St. Thomas, St. Croix

2) Connecting AUS to MCO

3) MCO a base by years end and a gateway to the Caribbean

4) This is something more well known: connecting AUS to San Jose, CA

5) AUS to BUR?

5) American Airlines is pulling out of Chicago Midway (hint, hint?)

Again, anything is possible as we have seen from the past. I, personally, would expect more east coast markets to be connected. Also, does anyone know whats going on with Cancun? I know jetBlue applied back in Nov./Dec. to start nonstop JFK-Cancun service...did they not get it YET because of the hurricanes or possibly Spirit?

Just to add more fuel to the fire:

According to airliners.net, the hot rumor is Savannah. Apparently, there is a ticket counter being repainted dark blue and the baggage offices are being cleaned up and prepared for a new entrant. The other rumor that I believe is most likely is Miami. However, that probably wouldn't be until October. Also, SAT was supposedly neck and neck with AUS when it was announced, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it added soon. Look for more connecting the dots and Boston expansion.

There have also been rumblings about Aruba and St. Thomas. I haven't heard of St. Croix before.

I like the idea of expanding Austin. I wonder if they would make it a mid-western hub for their 190's. It would allow a connection between the east and west, and it is a perfect market for the 100 seaters. However, I heard that they are changing the planes to 320's for the summer.

I also believe that MCO may encounter a large growth for Jetblue. They have acquired two more gates, which brings the total to 4. Plus, they have JetblueU and a maintenance hanger down there. Plus, they probably would have liked to expand out of FLL, but with the lack of gate space, and the Caribbean expansion by Spirit and US, MCO may be primed for expansion.

Finally, I don't believe that B6 would go to MDW. American only had 1 gate (I believe leased from CO), so that couldn't support the midwestern hub that Jetblue craves. They really want 4 gates at ORD, but that is unlikely, unless someone goes bellyup. I think that it is more likely that Jetblue could start a central hub at STL, ICT, OKC, or Milwaukee.

I think that it is more likely that Jetblue could start a central hub at STL, ICT, OKC, or Milwaukee.

... of those, STL would be the most obvious -- lots of spare gates since AA scaled back, a pretty good O&D market, a brand new runway.

The biggest downside would be that they would inevitably be going head-to-head with WN, which they've studiously avoided up until now.

prhs1989, Everything you said is right on to what I've been hearing lately! I would be willing to bet on SAV to be announced yet. There are just so many cities with such few resources to expand to! I also think MSP would be a winner. I wonder when MCO will officially be designated as a "focus city."

In terms of connecting the dots, jumping away from totally new cities for a second, I think that BOS-JAX will be connected.

I heard rumors about RNO being added, but I think they are trying to focus on the eas right now.

... of those, STL would be the most obvious -- lots of spare gates since AA scaled back, a pretty good O&D market, a brand new runway.

The biggest downside would be that they would inevitably be going head-to-head with WN, which they've studiously avoided up until now.

I agree that STL would be the most likely. With all of the open space, I bet STL would be willing to give a pretty nice incentive to a new carrier.

Competing with WN could be a problem, but the fact is that they will face off eventually. They have coincided for the last half decade by staying out of each other's way. However, Southwest is now expanding more in the East and in major markets, which is where Jetblue is going to expand. Jetblue can't live in permanent fear of Southwest.

prhs1989, Everything you said is right on to what I've been hearing lately! I would be willing to bet on SAV to be announced yet. There are just so many cities with such few resources to expand to! I also think MSP would be a winner. I wonder when MCO will officially be designated as a "focus city."

In terms of connecting the dots, jumping away from totally new cities for a second, I think that BOS-JAX will be connected.

I heard rumors about RNO being added, but I think they are trying to focus on the eas right now.

I had heard the RNO rumor, but they may have cooled down. Right now, I would expect no expansion west of the Mississippi or Texas. I like the idea of MSP. Jetblue could make some noise in any Northwest market, but, right now, it may not be a good idea to get into a rock bottom fare war.

I was surprised that BOS wasn't announced with JAX. If I had to guess, I would say that BOS would receive service from:

1)MSY
2)JAX
3)RDU
4)SAN

[QUOTE=prhs1989]I agree that STL would be the most likely. With all of the open space, I bet STL would be willing to give a pretty nice incentive to a new carrier.

STL would welcome JetBlue with open arms! AA would not be able to put up much of a defense (they have bigger fish to fry) and WN's coach product is inferior. The connection of East and West coast operations alone and connection of mid-tier markets would be the best way to utilize every existing station to it's fullest potential. STL will soon have concourse B (10 gates) and D (15 gates) open as AA is consolidationg their B operations into C this fall.

3) MCO a base by years end and a gateway to the Caribbean

This rumor can be crossed off as it has been confirmed by management. Inflight and Pilot Crews should start getting based in MCO by December '06 maybe even early into '07

This rumor can be crossed off as it has been confirmed by management. Inflight and Pilot Crews should start getting based in MCO by December '06 maybe even early into '07
When was MCO confirmed as a "base"?? I know BOS was just recently confirmed. MCO, in my opinion, really is a "focus" city and "base" already.

I had heard the RNO rumor, but they may have cooled down. Right now, I would expect no expansion west of the Mississippi or Texas. I like the idea of MSP. Jetblue could make some noise in any Northwest market, but, right now, it may not be a good idea to get into a rock bottom fare war.

I was surprised that BOS wasn't announced with JAX. If I had to guess, I would say that BOS would receive service from:

1)MSY
2)JAX
3)RDU
4)SAN

Yeah, I was surprised enough about B6 wasn't announced more nonstop from JAX-BOS pax need connecting to west coast flight. Those are 4 new nonstop didn't announced to RDU, MSY, SAN & PDX. They need to get beef up for more than 100 daily flights in BOS. You should try to get best idea for good populations in BOS. You should try next time that if I hear get me more news from Jetblue.

Yeah, I was surprised enough about B6 wasn't announced more nonstop from JAX-BOS pax need connecting to west coast flight. Those are 4 new nonstop didn't announced to RDU, MSY, SAN & PDX. They need to get beef up for more than 100 daily flights in BOS. You should try to get best idea for good populations in BOS. You should try next time that if I hear get me more news from Jetblue.

We are waiting for the additional gates as well as more crewmembers to be based there. By late summer and early fall the BOS base should be up and running at full capacity. If I remember correctly, when all is said and done, we should have some 15 gates at BOS.

I had heard the RNO rumor, but they may have cooled down. Right now, I would expect no expansion west of the Mississippi or Texas. I like the idea of MSP. Jetblue could make some noise in any Northwest market, but, right now, it may not be a good idea to get into a rock bottom fare war.

I was surprised that BOS wasn't announced with JAX. If I had to guess, I would say that BOS would receive service from:

1)MSY
2)JAX
3)RDU
4)SAN

SMF agents told me BOS-SMF was in the works. I wish SMF-IAD would make a comeback...

SMF agents told me BOS-SMF was in the works. I wish SMF-IAD would make a comeback...
BOS-SMF would be cool, but I thought they were focusing on shorter-haul now and less transcon due to crazy fuel prices. If they do add BOS-SMF though, you can fly SMF-IAD and then connect to the E190 from BOS-IAD, which is only a 1-hour flight or so!

SMF agents told me BOS-SMF was in the works. I wish SMF-IAD would make a comeback...

No they won't come back IAD-SMF. Become due to the loads is not good enough for SMF. That's why Jetblue has been discontinued IAD-SMF. It doesn't work well for last couple months ago.

No they won't come back IAD-SMF. Become due to the loads is not good enough for SMF. That's why Jetblue has been discontinued IAD-SMF. It doesn't work well for last couple months ago.

I can see BOS-SMF starting, i'll have to keep my eye on the pairings and see if it happens, but like you stated, the loads on IAD-SMF where horrible so I too don't see it coming back either.

I can see BOS-SMF starting, i'll have to keep my eye on the pairings and see if it happens, but like you stated, the loads on IAD-SMF where horrible so I too don't see it coming back either.

You right about that IAD-SMF has been horrible on the loads for while ago. That's why Jetblue has been discontinuation.

No reason RSW can't be a focus city like FLL is, many flights to Boston and JFK/EWR are packed. Some more direct flights out west and to the Caribbean from RSW would be great. An RSW-MKE flight would do well here as Midwest and AirTran are too expensive/inconvenient and USA3000 is too unknown compared to JetBlue....hint hint

Rumored flights to JFK-Cancun would be nice for those up in NYC.

No reason RSW can't be a focus city like FLL is, many flights to Boston and JFK/EWR are packed. Some more direct flights out west and to the Caribbean from RSW would be great. An RSW-MKE flight would do well here as Midwest and AirTran are too expensive/inconvenient and USA3000 is too unknown compared to JetBlue....hint hint

Rumored flights to JFK-Cancun would be nice for those up in NYC.
RSW is a growing market - but how many focus cities can one airline have!?

JetBlue applied for JFK-Cancun service back in November and it was a public announcement. I think that Spirit Airlines and damage from the hurricanes have something to do with them not receiving permission to fly that route yet.

JetBlue applied for JFK-Cancun service back in November and it was a public announcement. I think that Spirit Airlines and damage from the hurricanes have something to do with them not receiving permission to fly that route yet.

American and Delta also applied for the JFK-CUN rights... As far as I know, the DOT has not yet announced a winner.

No no response from the government about who won the rights to fly NYC-CUN. Hopefully they will announce the winner soon!

No no response from the government about who won the rights to fly NYC-CUN. Hopefully they will announce the winner soon!

You mean Jetblue not response from the government about JFK-CUN while. What about does DOT will given award begin JFK-CUN anytime soon. We shall wait see what happened Jetblue is receiving approved from DOT.

RSW is a growing market - but how many focus cities can one airline have!?

JetBlue applied for JFK-Cancun service back in November and it was a public announcement. I think that Spirit Airlines and damage from the hurricanes have something to do with them not receiving permission to fly that route yet.
Can we at least get nonstop service to Washington started with JetBlue? The 2 hour drive to Fort Lauderdale is a killer when you have a new, clean, and modern airport right here. Maybe JetBlue could do like American does with RSW-MIA and get a small plane flying to FLL from RSW to provide more flight options for Southwest Florida JetBlue travelers to DC/Dulles, NYC/LaGuardia, Long Beach, and Oakland? Of course some businessmen would use it like a shuttle simply because it would be easier and quicker than driving on Alligator Alley on most days. Couldn't an Embraer 190 on that route? ;)

The JFK-Cancun route would be more expensive most likely since we are closer in Florida to Cancun, but to those up north....it should save money.

You mean Jetblue not response from the government about JFK-CUN while. What about does DOT will given award begin JFK-CUN anytime soon. We shall wait see what happened Jetblue is receiving approved from DOT.

I'm not sure what is taking so long with the announcement. The company seems pretty confident that we will win the rights. I'm under the impression that the government is waiting to see how well CUN rebounds after last years hurricane season. I would think they would want air service to start up quickly to help the economy, but I don't know how route authority works, I just serve our wonderful customers.

Next city should be announced tomorrow the 25th and from what I heard it will be STL with the 190s.

Next city should be announced tomorrow the 25th and from what I heard it will be STL with the 190s.

Are you possible sure about B6 will be announced to STL or possibly different city will begin from either JFK or BOS.

Jumped the gun with STL. But I do know that STL should be announced very soon. Didn't listen the the thoughts on AUA being announced.

Jumped the gun with STL. But I do know that STL should be announced very soon. Didn't listen the the thoughts on AUA being announced.

I like STL for a lot of reasons. I am surprised that we haven't heard anything lately on the 190's. They are still receiving a lot of them, but PWM, CLT, PIT, JAX, RDU are all 320 cities. What are they doing with the 190's right now?

Do you know if they are thinking of making it a midwest focus city for the 190's. This would allow they to connect the east and west with the 190's.

We don't have enough 190s to go around right now. We are getting a very high utilization out of the aircraft that we have right now.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again..... Back when the 190's were announced, GSP was supposedly on a "short list" of possible new destinations. Then, about a year or so ago, there was a bit of buzz about B6 coming to GSP. But lately, the silence has been deafening.... :confused:

We don't have enough 190s to go around right now. We are getting a very high utilization out of the aircraft that we have right now.

Seriously? Do you know how many you have right now? I would guess 12.

Seriously? Do you know how many you have right now? I would guess 12.

11 at March 31, and expecting about 5/qtr for the remainder of 2006, so probably 12 or 13 right now.

Besides JFK-BOS, they are in service to BDA, AUS, PIT, and soon CLT and RDU. Surprisingly, Portland, ME, was announced as a 320 route; must be a bigger market than I thought. No 190 destinations have been announced, to my knowledge, from LGB. Considering the slot limitations from that airport, could be that they plan to stay with the larger plane to keep pax numbers up on fewer flights.

Again, these are RUMORS...anything is possible and nothing is official until (if and when) the actual announcement.

Also, please post any rumors you may have heard.

The source for these is from a crewmember I was speaking to.

1) New Caribbean Destinations possible: Aruba, St. Thomas, St. Croix

2) Connecting AUS to MCO

3) MCO a base by years end and a gateway to the Caribbean

4) This is something more well known: connecting AUS to San Jose, CA

5) AUS to BUR?

5) American Airlines is pulling out of Chicago Midway (hint, hint?)

Again, anything is possible as we have seen from the past. I, personally, would expect more east coast markets to be connected. Also, does anyone know whats going on with Cancun? I know jetBlue applied back in Nov./Dec. to start nonstop JFK-Cancun service...did they not get it YET because of the hurricanes or possibly Spirit?

11 at March 31, and expecting about 5/qtr for the remainder of 2006, so probably 12 or 13 right now.

Besides JFK-BOS, they are in service to BDA, AUS, PIT, and soon CLT and RDU. Surprisingly, Portland, ME, was announced as a 320 route; must be a bigger market than I thought. No 190 destinations have been announced, to my knowledge, from LGB. Considering the slot limitations from that airport, could be that they plan to stay with the larger plane to keep pax numbers up on fewer flights.


WE JUST APPLIED FOR AN APPLICATION TO FLY TO ARUBA STARTING SEPT. 15TH!!!!
NOTHING YET ON THE MCO BASE, MOST LIKELY END OF YEAR!

And connecting the dots, what do you guys think about FLL-RDU/CLT with an E-190?

PS: First post in the JetBlue Forum :p

My family does a decent amount of flying between NYC (all three airports) and MSP, DFW, and PNS. Any thoughts on when B6 might show their face in these markets. Last I checked, no one went NYC to PNS (everything was through ALT, CLT, MEM, ORD, or IAH).

And connecting the dots, what do you guys think about FLL-RDU/CLT with an E-190?

PS: First post in the JetBlue Forum :p


Short term, it is unlikely. You'll probably see BOS go to RDU/CLT before you see those two reach FLL. FLL might see either AUS or RIC.

My family does a decent amount of flying between NYC (all three airports) and MSP, DFW, and PNS. Any thoughts on when B6 might show their face in these markets. Last I checked, no one went NYC to PNS (everything was through ALT, CLT, MEM, ORD, or IAH).

I don't think there is enough O&D for a PSN-NYC flight. I know DL had a CRJ flight JFK-PNS last year, which I flew (a connecting flight FLL-JFK!!!), and it was pretty empty. I guess that's why they discountinue the service. BTW, it was the least expensive fare ever, $100 rt.

Don't know if B6 will go for it though, as there are more connecting options thru JFK.

C'mon B6, enter IAD-SEA....please!

Is there any word about DFW or MSP?

I highly doubt DFW...as a matter of fact, I would eliminate Dallas right now just to avoid the whole Wright Ammendment mess. Spirit now serves DFW and WN is big at DAL. Maybe later on but not yet...I heard ORD (believe it or not over MDW) is coming soon.

MSP...I have not heard any rumors from jetBlue sources, but think it would be an EXCELLENT route for jetBlue to JFK.

On a.net, the current rumors are: TUS, SRQ, HOU. I don't think TUS will happen...

The most-rumored cities in general, which still have not come are SAV and STL.

I highly doubt DFW...as a matter of fact, I would eliminate Dallas right now just to avoid the whole Wright Ammendment mess. Spirit now serves DFW and WN is big at DAL. Maybe later on but not yet...I heard ORD (believe it or not over MDW) is coming soon.

MSP...I have not heard any rumors from jetBlue sources, but think it would be an EXCELLENT route for jetBlue to JFK.

On a.net, the current rumors are: TUS, SRQ, HOU. I don't think TUS will happen...

The most-rumored cities in general, which still have not come are SAV and STL.

TUS doesn't make any sense. It is a seasonal flight for Continental. I fear that they would drop fares to increase a market that isn't there.

My gut says that the next city is STL, followed by SRQ.

TUS 320 1X and HOU 190 3X

TUS 320 1X and HOU 190 3X
Any sources please?

TUS 320 1X and HOU 190 3X

Where did you get the flight info come from? You should wait for official news releases from Jetblue to announces to HOU & TUS. TUS hasn't never nonstop to JFK in the east coast before. Mostly people who want drives over to PHX for catch the flight to JFK on Jetblue. Does people will made an cheaper price go there in New York.

NYC desperately needs B6 to go to HOU. I'm flying to HOU this week and looked at CO. With a two-week advance the best I could find was $818. Ended up booking ATA at $376, but we have prefered, of course, to fly B6.

The Midwest in general is pretty thin right now, and I'd love to fly to MSP, Chicago (whether O'Hare or Midway), IND, STL, Columbus, and MCI.

I know B6 avoids going head to head in a market controlled by one legacy carrier ready to do battle. In the case of MSP, DTW, CVG, ATL, they're probably wary of doing battle with carriers already in Chptr 11 and ready to sell inventory far below cost in order to maintain supremacy.

TUS doesn't make any sense. It is a seasonal flight for Continental. I fear that they would drop fares to increase a market that isn't there.
I think JetBlue is trying one evening/redeye JFK-TUS round trip per day to see if it will be better than keeping an A320 sitting on the ground at JFK all night. They are probably looking for more Western US cities to send redeyes to.

How successful have the PHX redeyes to JFK and BOS been for JetBlue? It could be that JetBlue is looking for more of the same kind of traffic.

TUS doesn't make any sense. It is a seasonal flight for Continental. I fear that they would drop fares to increase a market that isn't there.

My gut says that the next city is STL, followed by SRQ.I'm not quite sure I agree with you about TUS being a mistake. There has been a tremendous growth in population. Estimates are that Tucson has grown about 13% since the 2000 census and the metro area now has about a million residents. Most of this population growth is from newcomers, many from the Eastern Seaboard. And, of course, there is the tourist trade.

If this data is correct, then TUS is underserved and fits perfectly the B6 profile of finding a niche market not controlled by a major player unlike PHX which is one of AWA's primary hub.

I think JetBlue is trying one evening/redeye JFK-TUS round trip per day to see if it will be better than keeping an A320 sitting on the ground at JFK all night. They are probably looking for more Western US cities to send redeyes to.

How successful have the PHX redeyes to JFK and BOS been for JetBlue? It could be that JetBlue is looking for more of the same kind of traffic.

You really think so about jetblue is trying one evening or redeye from TUS-JFK? How is successful does ever before the PHX is already current red-eyes both to BOS & JFK.

Jetblue should focus in the caribbean route such as PLS, Punta Cana, Santo Domingo(from FLL), Curacao etc etc, as spirit airlines doing right now

I think JetBlue is trying one evening/redeye JFK-TUS round trip per day to see if it will be better than keeping an A320 sitting on the ground at JFK all night. They are probably looking for more Western US cities to send redeyes to.

How successful have the PHX redeyes to JFK and BOS been for JetBlue? It could be that JetBlue is looking for more of the same kind of traffic.

PHX is a little different than TUS. PHX is a much larger city than TUS. Referring to western cities, the last I heard was that Reno was the next western city to receive Jetblue service. That was the hot rumor around here a few weeks ago.

I agree that the midwest is lacking. I would gather that B6 has 2 options. Option one would be to pick up places like STL, MDW/ORD, MKE, MSP, MCI, HOU/IAH, and DFW, just to name a few. The other option would to be filling in the gaps withing the current structure. The service from IAD to the cities in Florida are minimal at best. They have yet to go IAD to MCO and TPA. BOS has no direct service to RDU, CLT, JAX, AUA, and SJU on the east coast and PDX, BUR, and SAN on the west coast. They really have two choice when it comes the short term. Option 1 or Option 2? I would go with Option 1 and connect BOS and IAD through JFK, then beef up everything else later.

I agree that the midwest is lacking. I would gather that B6 has 2 options. Option one would be to pick up places like STL, MDW/ORD, MKE, MSP, MCI, HOU/IAH, and DFW, just to name a few. The other option would to be filling in the gaps withing the current structure. The service from IAD to the cities in Florida are minimal at best. They have yet to go IAD to MCO and TPA. BOS has no direct service to RDU, CLT, JAX, AUA, and SJU on the east coast and PDX, BUR, and SAN on the west coast. They really have two choice when it comes the short term. Option 1 or Option 2? I would go with Option 1 and connect BOS and IAD through JFK, then beef up everything else later.

I wonder about Jetblue's future plans for their IAD operations. I don't know how much they plan on expanding IAD to the rest of the route structure. I could see IAD-MCO or IAD-JAX (I say JAX because I remember that Independence was sending multiple 319's a day down to JAX. That was probably one of their stronger destinations).

Don't forget that B6 signed on for 11 gates at BOS, so I don't see them routing all of their extra traffic through JFK. Personally, I see them expanding their current flights out of BOS because they have ample gates. (I.E. they have 1 flight to AUS and 2 flights to RIC. AUS is supposedly doing really well, so I see room for an extra flight or two.) Boston could grow to be a large operation because Delta seems to have forgotten about BOS, and the other majors have decent, but not large by any means, operations. (Save US) Finally, I also think that many of the 190's will work their way up to Boston. I think that it is the perfect plane for Boston, as they could use them for more flights to upstate NY, Puerto Rico, MSY, and FLA.

As we take more deliveries of the 190s, look for BOS to be dominated by 190s, there will be more 320 routes, of course, but the main future for BOS will be the 190s.

From what I have been hearing floating around the company, we aren't going to keep playing nice. We are going to start going after the smaller airlines that compete on routes (USA3000, Spirit)

As always that is a rumore and with this industry belive what you hear when you see it. As for the new destination rumores we've all been hearing St. Louis, St. Croix, and St. Thomas.

As we take more deliveries of the 190s, look for BOS to be dominated by 190s, there will be more 320 routes, of course, but the main future for BOS will be the 190s.

From what I have been hearing floating around the company, we aren't going to keep playing nice. We are going to start going after the smaller airlines that compete on routes (USA3000, Spirit)

As always that is a rumore and with this industry belive what you hear when you see it. As for the new destination rumores we've all been hearing St. Louis, St. Croix, and St. Thomas.

I have a question. How/Why do you attack USA3000? I think about EWR, where they seem to have their own little niche market. They seem to only fly a few days a week (mostly) as well. Do they want to raise their load factors from 96% to 98%? Spirit, on the other hand, could be an airline that Jetblue may want to dominate. They have so many valuable assets that if they pulled back at all, B6 could easily sweep in (I.E. Spirit's many gates at FLL, one or two gates at LGA).

St. Croix? I thought that the rumor was St. Louis, St. Thomas, and St. Marteen? Shows what I know.

I have a question. How/Why do you attack USA3000? I think about EWR, where they seem to have their own little niche market. They seem to only fly a few days a week (mostly) as well. Do they want to raise their load factors from 96% to 98%? Spirit, on the other hand, could be an airline that Jetblue may want to dominate. They have so many valuable assets that if they pulled back at all, B6 could easily sweep in (I.E. Spirit's many gates at FLL, one or two gates at LGA).

St. Croix? I thought that the rumor was St. Louis, St. Thomas, and St. Marteen? Shows what I know.
I agree with you on the USA3000 part - but they are mostly a charter airline and market share is simply market share - jetBlue is the most dominant player in NYC-FLL, flying over 50% of the people who fly that route. However, that doesn't mean they shouldn't try to increase their traffic an reputation further.

Tthe St. Croix/St. Marteen, St. Louis and St. Thomas rumor is a rumor ! I'm not saying it won't happen - it probably will - but it's still a rumor, so that's why it is still not clear. The actual rumor, I believe, was 3 cities that start with "St". There are also very hot SAV and SAT rumors.

From what I understand, Mr. Neeleman said that more than 10 cities will be announced by 2006 - obviously they passed that number already. However, with jetBlue winning CUN rights; expect that to be one of the next "officially announced" cities. Keep in mind AUA, BNA, PIT, CLT and RDU still didn't launch!

My prediction is that 2 more cities will be announced: STL and SXM. MSP would be awesome...and while there is a market at SAV, it probably might not come until very late 07, early 06...to see if any SAV people go down to JAX first.

Jetblue should focus in the caribbean route such as PLS, Punta Cana, Santo Domingo(from FLL), Curacao etc etc, as spirit airlines doing right now

Yeah, I am really think so. Jetblue should in focus city in the Caribbean route. It such as the PLS, SDQ and else. Does Jetblue will become more focus city in FLL? They currently already served to LGB, OAK, LGA, JFK, EWR, IAD & BOS. What about another announces more new routes possibly to BUR, PHX, LAS, MSY, SYR, BUF, ROC.

Yeah, I am really think so. Jetblue should in focus city in the Caribbean route. It such as the PLS, SDQ and else. Does Jetblue will become more focus city in FLL? They currently already served to LGB, OAK, LGA, JFK, EWR, IAD & BOS. What about another announces more new routes possibly to BUR, PHX, LAS, MSY, SYR, BUF, ROC.
From what I understand, jetBlue would love to expand FLL service, however they are very limited on gates there - They have 4 gates I think...C4, C6, B8, B9.....they are probably on a waiting list to receive additional gates should any airline pull back there. If so, I would expect FLL to be linked with possibly LAS, BUF, PIT and SJU.

Looks like Jet Blue has (or now maybe 'had') eyes on Dallas Love field:

Jet Blue and NW lobby against Dallas Love Deal (http://origin.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/14913159.htm?source=rss&channel=dfw_news)

Dallas Love Field is very limited by the Wright Act. Correct me if I'm wrong but the service from Love Field is limited to Texas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Lousiana, and Missouri. There is a huge battle in Washington on where or not to repeal the act or not. WN and AA are leading the ways on their own respective sides. AA loves their monoply at DFW and WN wants to blow things open at Love Field. Unless B6 can start flying to LGB, JFK, or Florida, it will remain untouch. Right now, the better option for Jetblue is DFW. There are gates availible and the flights from all the NYC airports on CO and AA are always full or near capacity.

Dallas Love Field is very limited by the Wright Act. Correct me if I'm wrong but the service from Love Field is limited to Texas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Lousiana, and Missouri. There is a huge battle in Washington on where or not to repeal the act or not. WN and AA are leading the ways on their own respective sides. AA loves their monoply at DFW and WN wants to blow things open at Love Field. Unless B6 can start flying to LGB, JFK, or Florida, it will remain untouch. Right now, the better option for Jetblue is DFW. There are gates availible and the flights from all the NYC airports on CO and AA are always full or near capacity.

That is why Jetblue and Northwest are fighting against the Wright Act. It is a smaller airport, with cheaper fees, which is what Jetblue looks for in a new city (See: Houston-Hobby). They should NOT go into DFW. That would get ugly, very quickly. There would be a drop in fares with a dump in capacity on the market by Continental and American. Plus, DFW is a mega-hub for American. The people down there would probably stay faithful to AA, kind of what happens when an LCC enters a hub againts NW. The people wait for the lower fares, stick with the legacies, and then complain when the fares go up and the LCC leaves. At least with DAL, they could form a niche market with competition from no one.

Dallas Love Field is very limited by the Wright Act. Correct me if I'm wrong but the service from Love Field is limited to Texas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Lousiana, and Missouri. There is a huge battle in Washington on where or not to repeal the act or not. WN and AA are leading the ways on their own respective sides. AA loves their monoply at DFW and WN wants to blow things open at Love Field. Unless B6 can start flying to LGB, JFK, or Florida, it will remain untouch. Right now, the better option for Jetblue is DFW. There are gates availible and the flights from all the NYC airports on CO and AA are always full or near capacity.
Not to get totally off topic, but I recall several years ago AA had a few nonstops a day from DAL-LGA, I believe on a F100, in addition to their hourly 757 and MD80 service to JFK. How has this since changed with those whole Wright Act? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong or post some info on this! Why wouldn't jetBlue be able to fly DAL-JFK if AA used to fly DAL-LGA?

Not to get totally off topic, but I recall several years ago AA had a few nonstops a day from DAL-LGA, I believe on a F100, in addition to their hourly 757 and MD80 service to JFK. How has this since changed with those whole Wright Act? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong or post some info on this! Why wouldn't jetBlue be able to fly DAL-JFK if AA used to fly DAL-LGA?

That couldn't have been possible. This act has been in place for decades. I am not sure how far back you are referencing when you say "several years."

Actually, it is true. The Wright Amendment has a loophole for aircraft with less than 57 seats being exempt from the interstate restriction. Legend started up service from Love Field with reconfigured planes with 56 seats. They operated from 1996 to 2000. American quickly followed suit with their own all first class configured planes with you guessed it...56 seats. Of course, after Legend died, so did the American all first class configurations.

That couldn't have been possible. This act has been in place for decades. I am not sure how far back you are referencing when you say "several years."
It is possible...my cousin lived in Dallas for about 6t months (around Mar. 2001-Sept. 2001 (lost his job right after 9/11 so moved back to NY) and he would fly regularly on AA to LGA. He flew all of his flights out of DFW, but wanted to try DAL once so he flew DAL-LGA nonstop on AA's F100. So, this was about 4.5 years ago. Maybe someone at AA can verify...if not, I'll ask on the AA forum soon.

The people down there would probably stay faithful to AA, .

Don't be so sure - AA is extremely unpleasant to fly. They literally think that they own DFW and everyone who flys through it. They treat all but their top elites like trash and gouge you on the fares all the way. I've had such bad experiences that I have a standing policy - neither I nor anyone who works for me is ever allowed to willingly fly AA.

Don't be so sure - AA is extremely unpleasant to fly. They literally think that they own DFW and everyone who flys through it. They treat all but their top elites like trash and gouge you on the fares all the way. I've had such bad experiences that I have a standing policy - neither I nor anyone who works for me is ever allowed to willingly fly AA.I'm with you. I have not voluntarily flown AA since 1994 and have not stepped foot on an AA plane since 2000.

I've had the most outrageous experiences with any company of which I have been a customer (in any category, whether airline or otherwise) with AA.

It is possible...my cousin lived in Dallas for about 6t months (around Mar. 2001-Sept. 2001 (lost his job right after 9/11 so moved back to NY) and he would fly regularly on AA to LGA. He flew all of his flights out of DFW, but wanted to try DAL once so he flew DAL-LGA nonstop on AA's F100. So, this was about 4.5 years ago. Maybe someone at AA can verify...if not, I'll ask on the AA forum soon.

Ah, I may have been proven wrong.

Actually, it is true. The Wright Amendment has a loophole for aircraft with less than 57 seats being exempt from the interstate restriction. Legend started up service from Love Field with reconfigured planes with 56 seats. They operated from 1996 to 2000. American quickly followed suit with their own all first class configured planes with you guessed it...56 seats. Of course, after Legend died, so did the American all first class configurations.

Actually, it is true. The Wright Amendment has a loophole for aircraft with less than 57 seats being exempt from the interstate restriction. Legend started up service from Love Field with reconfigured planes with 56 seats. They operated from 1996 to 2000. American quickly followed suit with their own all first class configured planes with you guessed it...56 seats. Of course, after Legend died, so did the American all first class configurations.
The American flights from DAL ended right after 9/11 and Legend went under before then (unfortunately). I've never flown JetBlue so I don't know how many seats their planes have but if they are 56 or less, JetBlue can fly from DAL without issue. American litigated Legend to death for the right to do this.

I would LOVE for JetBlue to come to Dallas. I'd use them instead of AA on all routes where JetBlue flew to the same place.

The American flights from DAL ended right after 9/11 and Legend went under before then (unfortunately). I've never flown JetBlue so I don't know how many seats their planes have but if they are 56 or less, JetBlue can fly from DAL without issue. American litigated Legend to death for the right to do this.

I would LOVE for JetBlue to come to Dallas. I'd use them instead of AA on all routes where JetBlue flew to the same place.

Jetblue uses only 2 types of a/c right now. A320 w/ 156 seat- single class- and E190 with 100 seat- single class.

Once the old TWA terminal at JFK opens up, I think you will see alot more JetBlue Carribean, and Domestic destinations pop up. Who knows, with Dallas being such a big "drawl", why not have flights into BOTH airports? If it works for the LA area, why not in Dallas?

That is why Jetblue and Northwest are fighting against the Wright Act. It is a smaller airport, with cheaper fees, which is what Jetblue looks for in a new city (See: Houston-Hobby). They should NOT go into DFW. That would get ugly, very quickly. There would be a drop in fares with a dump in capacity on the market by Continental and American. Plus, DFW is a mega-hub for American. The people down there would probably stay faithful to AA, kind of what happens when an LCC enters a hub againts NW. The people wait for the lower fares, stick with the legacies, and then complain when the fares go up and the LCC leaves. At least with DAL, they could form a niche market with competition from no one.

I have never, ever understood why the Wright Amendment is still in place. Did I misunderstand, or wasn't it to be just a temporary thing to protect the business of airlines that decided to move to the then-fledgeling DFW?

I think DFW's place in America's commercial aviation world is pretty safe now, and this out-moded legislation needs to go away FAST. Let competition reign!!

Once the old TWA terminal at JFK opens up, I think you will see alot more JetBlue Carribean, and Domestic destinations pop up. Who knows, with Dallas being such a big "drawl", why not have flights into BOTH airports? If it works for the LA area, why not in Dallas?
Because AA would just lower their fares and give out ridiculous amounts of bonus miles on JetBlue routes until they left.

Because AA would just lower their fares and give out ridiculous amounts of bonus miles on JetBlue routes until they left.

That's assuming JetBlue would go after the AA market, which I think they would not. They would probably target other airlines who would have thier passengers hub from DFW into another airport to get into NY.

Think outside of the box guy. :)

I have never, ever understood why the Wright Amendment is still in place. Did I misunderstand, or wasn't it to be just a temporary thing to protect the business of airlines that decided to move to the then-fledgeling DFW?

I think DFW's place in America's commercial aviation world is pretty safe now, and this out-moded legislation needs to go away FAST. Let competition reign!!

The AA and WN boards can probably tell you more, but the short answer is that when DFW was built, airlines regulated by the pre-1978 federal regulation system were required to sign an agreement to move there and leave Love. Southwest wasn't regulated by the feds, because they only flew within Texas at the time, so couldn't be coerced that way.

When regulation ended in 1978, Southwest started flying outside Texas, and AA (and the City of Fort Worth, I think) cried foul. It turned out the only way to stop Southwest was an act of Congress, and so they somehow persuaded Jim Wright, who was the speaker of the House at the time, to get one passed. Over time, the Wright Amendment has been relaxed in various ways, but that's how it started.

That may be a gross oversimplification, of course. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_Amendment), as always, has more information.

It is possible...my cousin lived in Dallas for about 6t months (around Mar. 2001-Sept. 2001 (lost his job right after 9/11 so moved back to NY) and he would fly regularly on AA to LGA. He flew all of his flights out of DFW, but wanted to try DAL once so he flew DAL-LGA nonstop on AA's F100. So, this was about 4.5 years ago. Maybe someone at AA can verify...if not, I'll ask on the AA forum soon.

Those flights used special premium configured Fokker 100s with 56 seats. The Wright Ammendement states that if a plane has 56 seats or less, than the restrictions do not apply. Hence, AA flew DAL-LAX/ORD/LGA/DCA with 56-seat Fokkers, while Continental Airlines and Delta Connection have flown to CLE and ATL, respectively, in the past using regional jets.

I would love to see jetblue enter the milwaukee market. (or even Appleton which has only regionals) Currently only ATA, Northwest, and Midwest have mainline jets in mke now (there might be one more). United, US Airways, Delta, Continental, AA all run regionals to their respective hubs. It may persuade additional mainlines to show up.

That's assuming JetBlue would go after the AA market, which I think they would not. They would probably target other airlines who would have thier passengers hub from DFW into another airport to get into NY.

Think outside of the box guy. :)
I don't see how JetBlue would NOT, no matter how unintentional, go after the AA market if they got into DFW, American's base of operation. The question was why JetBlue would not try to operate out of both airports. I was simply giving a reason why they would not go to DFW.

Intresting... When I clicked on DEN routes with connections a line shows up between Orlando and Buffalo....Hmmm..

Intresting... When I clicked on DEN routes with connections a line shows up between Orlando and Buffalo....Hmmm..

In the past, when this has happened, it will disappear for a while then come back as a new route. It makes sense, with their "connecting the dots" idea, and, unlike FLL, they have the room at MCO to expand. They are also starting up the SYR-MCO route in a few months, so this route wouldn't surprise me at all. I believe that Jetblue also has a strong following from the Buffalo/Toronto area.

Don't be so sure - AA is extremely unpleasant to fly. They literally think that they own DFW and everyone who flys through it. They treat all but their top elites like trash and gouge you on the fares all the way. I've had such bad experiences that I have a standing policy - neither I nor anyone who works for me is ever allowed to willingly fly AA.

Agree! I only fly AA if, and only if, jetBlue doesnt go within a reasonable distance from where I need to go... But than again, there are other airlines thats even worst than American which is why I still pick American... But back to the original topic.... umm....I think were gonna start to see alot more connect the dot type thing going... like OAK to LAS, hell, their already going head to head with southwest on some west coast market (BUR - LAS as the most obvious) But maybe STL and be like TWA and connect east-west traffic in St Louis... I'm all about setting up a focus city in STL, just make sense to me.

But maybe STL and be like TWA and connect east-west traffic in St Louis... I'm all about setting up a focus city in STL, just make sense to me.As a pure hub STL is fantastic. It's geographically central, unlike Chicago, Dallas or Houston. The problem with STL is that there is very little O&D traffic, so STL would only really work as a pure hub.

There is very little real competition as STL has been largely abandoned by AA mainline and is now mainly served by WN.

STL's geographic position and excellent average weather both contributed to TWA's outstanding operational record in its final iteration.

As a pure hub STL is fantastic. It's geographically central, unlike Chicago, Dallas or Houston. The problem with STL is that there is very little O&D traffic, so STL would only really work as a pure hub.

There is very little real competition as STL has been largely abandoned by AA mainline and is now mainly served by WN.

STL's geographic position and excellent average weather both contributed to TWA's outstanding operational record in its final iteration.


STL had 14.7 million passenger last year and is projected to be over 16 million this year. So STL is not ORD but it has quite a bit more traffic than even some current hubs with other carriers. AA is running 200 flight a day out of STL. WN is somewhere around 67. B6 would do rather well as they have a better coach product than either WN or AA. Other than starting service out of congested ORD-- that is if they can get the gates I think STL is a natural choice-- one that I hope B6 makes soon!! AA does not have the the stranglehold on STL as they do at DFW and STL does not hold a special loyalty to AA as they did TWA. STL is ripe for the picking-- come on B6 we are waiting!! :)

STL had 14.7 million passenger last year and is projected to be over 16 million this year. So STL is not ORD but it has quite a bit more traffic than even some current hubs with other carriers. AA is running 200 flight a day out of STL. WN is somewhere around 67. B6 would do rather well as they have a better coach product than either WN or AA. Other than starting service out of congested ORD-- that is if they can get the gates I think STL is a natural choice-- one that I hope B6 makes soon!! AA does not have the the stranglehold on STL as they do at DFW and STL does not hold a special loyalty to AA as they did TWA. STL is ripe for the picking-- come on B6 we are waiting!! :)As an unconditional supporter of both TWA and B6 I would love to see B6 come into STL and they may well decide it's worth their while someday.

One clarification about AA, while they may be running 200 flights a day they're still doing a lot of RJ's, so their capacity is fairly low. A lot of AA itineraries connecting through STL involve flying both legs on RJ's; pretty awful.

Question: Do you know how STL's passenger volume compares to the final year of TWA's operation? Just curious.

As an unconditional supporter of both TWA and B6 I would love to see B6 come into STL and they may well decide it's worth their while someday.

One clarification about AA, while they may be running 200 flights a day they're still doing a lot of RJ's, so their capacity is fairly low. A lot of AA itineraries connecting through STL involve flying both legs on RJ's; pretty awful.

Question: Do you know how STL's passenger volume compares to the final year of TWA's operation? Just curious.


30.5 million in 2000 at the peak of TWA operations to 13.3 in 2004 after the AA cuts.

30.5 million in 2000 at the peak of TWA operations to 13.3 in 2004 after the AA cuts.I used to fly through STL about 4 times a month on average. And the amazing thing is that of the hundreds of times I flew TWA through STL I was never delayed more than 5 minutes.

The newest clear rumor that's hot on a.net now is the next two cities will be:

CMH and STL

Both have been rumored for some time, especially STL more recently. Surprizingly, the a.net rumors have been accurate lately...especially the SRQ, TUS and HOU announcement. That was right on! A few months back, RDU and CLT were right on as well before it was official.

I'm still hearing IND, SAV, SAT, SXM...but we'll see what happens. I expect STL to start off with a few flights to JFK, some to BOS and thten probably next year (mid-07) they will further expand service there and add more cities.

OK, to think really really really really out side the box, and a bit silly..... service to London via Iceland or Greenland! HAHA. :D

EOS can be all First Class
MAXjet can be all Business Class
jetBlue can be all, well, jetBlue Class

Rumors are floating on a.net that yet another 2 new cities will be announced Friday morning!!! I heard that they are actually unsure about STL right now...but it will come sooner or later if not this Friday.

anything new with MDW or ORD?

Somebody posted on the other site about hourly Buf-Roc service
Well, stranger things have happened

Somebody posted on the other site about hourly Buf-Roc service
Well, stranger things have happened

Buffalo to Rochester Direct?

That wouldn't make much sense ... the drive is about an hour and its only 60 miles between them ... its faster to drive. The flight would be preparing to land as it took off ;).

JFK to BOS is considered short and its 220 miles driving distance.

Just curious ... which other site?

Buffalo to Rochester Direct?

That wouldn't make much sense ... the drive is about an hour and its only 60 miles between them ... its faster to drive. The flight would be preparing to land as it took off ;).

JFK to BOS is considered short and its 220 miles driving distance.

Just curious ... which other site?

It was a.net, posted by a member who will write whatever pops into his head. I saw the post, and there is NOOOOO way that would happen. Not only is there a lack of demand on that route, it is less then a 2 hour drive.

It was a.net, posted by a member who will write whatever pops into his head. I saw the post, and there is NOOOOO way that would happen. Not only is there a lack of demand on that route, it is less then a 2 hour drive.

For a laugh I did price it out and you can book BUF-ROC on the legacies for around $350+ round trip with connections in NYC, BOS, etc.

And a.net definately does attract some special people ... I must have missed that post ... lol.

I saw that BUF-ROC thing on a.net the other day...nothing more than a dumb joke, LOL. Someone asked if the service will be flown with a Cessna 172!!

sooo much for the annoucement of the new destination last friday! I should just start a B6 to STL ralley at JFK... hahaha. j/k

sooo much for the annoucement of the new destination last friday! I should just start a B6 to STL ralley at JFK... hahaha. j/k
Well, CMH was announced on Thursday. Even though they are definitely above the original # of cities to be announced this year, I heard there are another 2 or 3 cities still to come. STL might just be one of them...I hear rumors of it being a focus city, but that might not be until 12+ months from now. MIA is talked about a lot these days, since the gate situation at FLL is tight.

Daytona Beach International Airport officials are hoping to capture some of the domestic lower-cost leisure travel. Steve Cooke, the airport's director of business development, said negotiations are ongoing with JetBlue Airways.

"We've put together a package (of incentives) that are worth $1.5 million for JetBlue to offer flights to JFK (International Airport) in New York," Cooke said in a recent telephone interview. "They still have not said 'aye' or 'nay,' but they play their cards very close to their vest."

Cooke is encouraged, however, that last month JetBlue inaugurated service to Jacksonville."(JetBlue) had previously said they were considering Jacksonville, Daytona Beach and Melbourne (as destinations)," he said. "We think Daytona Beach service would also be a winner."

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/Business/Headlines/bizBIZ02071906.htm

I haven't heard any rumblings about DAB. I have heard a strong push for STL as a destination. I don't know the time frame but I would still place my money on STL being announced.

I haven't heard any rumblings about DAB. I have heard a strong push for STL as a destination. I don't know the time frame but I would still place my money on STL being announced.


New city or cities to be announced this Friday
Heard it on the ^th floor at FSC

This should be like a casino game at vegas... where would jetBlue fly next? place your bets now! I'm all in for STL! :D

I have never been on a B6 flight. But I hope they pick STL soon. Need to give them a try. STL-JFK, STL-BOS, STL-MCO would be great destinations to start with.

Come on Jetblue, make STL your next focus city. The Gateway to the Midwest. ^

a.net rumor is that another new city will be announced within a few hours (Friday, 7/21/06)...my guess since its been talked about nonstop for months: STL. who knows though...SAV, SAT, MLB, DAB, RNO, ALB, SXM, etc. have also been talked about!

oops...I forgot SWF, ORF, MDW/ORD and most of all MIA!

Still, my guess: STL! Guess we will see in a few short hours...

oops...I forgot SWF, ORF, MDW/ORD and most of all MIA!

Still, my guess: STL! Guess we will see in a few short hours...

No word today, just like last Friday. I know we got CMH last Thursday but this is 2 weeks in a row that an announcement was rumored and nothing surficed. How relayable are this sources on a.net or where ever these sources may be?

No word today, just like last Friday. I know we got CMH last Thursday but this is 2 weeks in a row that an announcement was rumored and nothing surficed. How relayable are this sources on a.net or where ever these sources may be?
You can't dismiss last weeks rumor of CMH...it was announced, just a day early. Not a big deal at all.

Rumors are not "guaranteed to be true" until it is official. That's what makes it a RUMOR!

Maybe this time around the new city will be announced a (business) day late...on Monday. Let's wait and see.

My guess is still STL, but I was thinking that MSP would be a great addition to jetBlue's route network.

My guess is still STL, but I was thinking that MSP would be a great addition to jetBlue's route network.

I've actually had a few friends trying to get to MSP lately who have asked me if I thought there was any chance of jetBlue adding it...I said I wasn't sure.

Certantly would like to see them there. The only decent deal I was able to find was $109 each way from Boston on Airtran. It's far more convenient to fly jetBlue out of Burlington for most people up here.

I've only been out to MSP once for a connecting flight to Seattle on NW. From what I recall, it was a huge NW hub, I could count on one hand the number of non-NW planes that were there. Of course, that was over ten years ago, things might have changed. Still think it would be a great pick for jetBlue, though.

You can't dismiss last weeks rumor of CMH...it was announced, just a day early. Not a big deal at all.

Rumors are not "guaranteed to be true" until it is official. That's what makes it a RUMOR!

Maybe this time around the new city will be announced a (business) day late...on Monday. Let's wait and see.

My guess is still STL, but I was thinking that MSP would be a great addition to jetBlue's route network.

Rumors...yea, I understand. What I was getting at was the reliability of the people starting the rumors. Are they people working for B6? Do they know people in key spots? It seems like they are dead on sometimes and dead wrong on other times.

I like the idea of expanding Austin. I wonder if they would make it a mid-western hub for their 190's. It would allow a connection between the east and west, and it is a perfect market for the 100 seaters. However, I heard that they are changing the planes to 320's for the summer.

Austin is NOT in the midwest! However, it could be a mid-continent hub for B6.

I've actually had a few friends trying to get to MSP lately who have asked me if I thought there was any chance of jetBlue adding it...I said I wasn't sure.

Certantly would like to see them there. The only decent deal I was able to find was $109 each way from Boston on Airtran. It's far more convenient to fly jetBlue out of Burlington for most people up here.

I've only been out to MSP once for a connecting flight to Seattle on NW. From what I recall, it was a huge NW hub, I could count on one hand the number of non-NW planes that were there. Of course, that was over ten years ago, things might have changed. Still think it would be a great pick for jetBlue, though.

MSP is the headquarters of NW and a MAJOR NW and NW Airlink hub. NW has something like 7 of the 8 concourses there. When upstart airlines go to MSP, NW will vigorously compete -- add frequencies on the routes and match the lower fares. Watch out, B6!

I have never been on a B6 flight. But I hope they pick STL soon. Need to give them a try. STL-JFK, STL-BOS, STL-MCO would be great destinations to start with.

Come on Jetblue, make STL your next focus city. The Gateway to the Midwest. ^

And STL-FLL, MCO, LGB, OAK, SEA, PHX, TUS, PDX and SAN.

MSP is the headquarters of NW and a MAJOR NW and NW Airlink hub. NW has something like 7 of the 8 concourses there. When upstart airlines go to MSP, NW will vigorously compete -- add frequencies on the routes and match the lower fares. Watch out, B6!
NW is overpriced and offers sub-standard service. I mean, paying for an aisle seat??? Come on, get real! People will flock to jetBlue when they start service at MSP. In addition, NW is in no financial position to heavily compete...especially when B6 will most likely fly MSP-JFK and maybe BOS. NW is interested in only MSP-LGA it seems. jetBlue's A320's or E190's will be a real treat there with all those old DC9's.

I used to fly through STL about 4 times a month on average. And the amazing thing is that of the hundreds of times I flew TWA through STL I was never delayed more than 5 minutes.
Wow! I guess you never flew to ORD. :) I had flown that route one summer, and seemed to get delayed just about every time from STL-ORD. The thunderstorm would roll in to STL, shut down the airport. It would finally clear up, we would board, and then we'd wait for a few hours because of ATC delays (the thunderstorm was now approaching Chicago!) I ended up switching from TW to WN - WN's faster boarding, and the fact that they flew in to MDW instead of ORD meant we could actually make it there before the thunderstorm.

As I recall there is an entire TW concourse that has been vacated by AA, so there could definately be facilities for a mini-hub. Southwest and American have pretty much divided up the market. (I think AA cancelled flights to just about every WN city.)

This thread has been quiet, and just picked up on a very, very interesting thread over on a.net. Here's the link:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/2997953/

I'll be watching this one, and I hope you all do too!

I don't buy into the whole Chicago rumor just yet. David has said repeatily that he wants several gates at ORD and doesn't wish to sublease them from another airline. I have been told however that there are a couple more cities that will be announced this year, so the announcements aren't done yet. There has also been talk from Corporate Real Estate about a Bay Area expansion. I know we've started to use gate 3 in addition to 9 and 9A in OAK.

New Website goes live tomorrow as well!! A completely new redesign

I don't buy into the whole Chicago rumor just yet. David has said repeatily that he wants several gates at ORD and doesn't wish to sublease them from another airline. I have been told however that there are a couple more cities that will be announced this year, so the announcements aren't done yet. There has also been talk from Corporate Real Estate about a Bay Area expansion. I know we've started to use gate 3 in addition to 9 and 9A in OAK.

New Website goes live tomorrow as well!! A completely new redesign

Any idea of where the new service might be out of? Where to?

If B6 did start ORD-JFK service, they would be the only one operating that route. (Delta did have an RJ on the route, but it doesn't seem to be running anymore.) This could actually help other carriers by providing better connectivity to international flights at JFK... I'd also be curious to see a competitive response. Would AA start ORD-JFK flights? Would UA cut prices on ORD-LGA flights? Or would they just ignore it?

AA runs ORD-JFK service, well AE runs it with a jungle jet, i've flown it a couple of times.

If B6 did start ORD-JFK service, they would be the only one operating that route. (Delta did have an RJ on the route, but it doesn't seem to be running anymore.) This could actually help other carriers by providing better connectivity to international flights at JFK... I'd also be curious to see a competitive response. Would AA start ORD-JFK flights? Would UA cut prices on ORD-LGA flights? Or would they just ignore it?
Nope, DL 5465 (ORD-JFK) and DL 5469 (JFK-ORD) operated by OH still operate daily.
And yes, it absolutely will help pax flying int'l at JFK...if they don't mind flying domestically on an airline that won't even transfer their bags to their connecting airline.

Nope, DL 5465 (ORD-JFK) and DL 5469 (JFK-ORD) operated by OH still operate daily.
And yes, it absolutely will help pax flying int'l at JFK...if they don't mind flying domestically on an airline that won't even transfer their bags to their connecting airline.

I think i would rather fly BOS-JFK on jet blue, claim my luggage and then check the luggage again (with an international carrier such as Thai, Korean Air, JAL, etc.) rather than trust DL or AA to transfer my luggage. Of course if i were to fly on Skyteam or Oneworld airlines, it would be a different story. For example, I looked into going to Phuket Island in Thailand which would (via orbitz) involve BOS-JFK (on delta) and then JFK-BKK-HKT on Thai (a star alliance partner). I'd rather take Jet Blue with a 3-4 hour window to make the JFK-BKK flight.

Ok, here are the latest things being discussed in MCO right now (FO that just came from recurrent stated)

1)STL and ORD are 2 cities that we can expect fairly soon. STL may become a midwest focus city. STL was suppose to be announced some time ago, but something happend, what I don't know.

2)No winglets for the 320s. Airbus renigged on the upgrades. Not sure why the deal fell through but I will try to find out more.

3)Because of the winglet deal falling through, the company is concerend about transcon winter flying. There is talk that several of our options for 320s may be converted into 319s. 319s can easly do the transcon flights in the winter, not to mention fill a nice void in our seats.

Again these are just rumors that where discussed in MCO during a recurrent class and in no way constitute the company's position.

Wow, jetBlueFA...thanks for that rumor news!!! Very, very interesting stuff to say the least. Keeping in mind it is not official but very interesting stuff. The A319 would be a great idea - but from a MX and pilot standpoint - would it be a different type than the A320 or is the fleet commonality very similar that it won't matter?

Wow, jetBlueFA...thanks for that rumor news!!! Very, very interesting stuff to say the least. Keeping in mind it is not official but very interesting stuff. The A319 would be a great idea - but from a MX and pilot standpoint - would it be a different type than the A320 or is the fleet commonality very similar that it won't matter?Type rating for A-318, A-319, A-320 and A-321 all the same, so should be fine from pilots' point of view.

They're really all the same a/c and are known collectively as the A-320 family. It's just a matter of the length of the fuselage, really.

If these were Boeing aircraft, they would be classified as 737-700, 737-800 and so forth (although the type rating for the 737-200 through 737-500 is different than the 737 NG types (-600 variant and above) because the earlier models do not have what is known as a glass cockpit (LCD screens vs. the traditional "steam gauge" displays)). All the A-320 family, though, have the same "fly by wire" glass cockpit.

The A-319 is the longest range of the A-320 family.

Ok, here are the latest things being discussed in MCO right now (FO that just came from recurrent stated)

1)STL and ORD are 2 cities that we can expect fairly soon. STL may become a midwest focus city. STL was suppose to be announced some time ago, but something happend, what I don't know.

2)No winglets for the 320s. Airbus renigged on the upgrades. Not sure why the deal fell through but I will try to find out more.

3)Because of the winglet deal falling through, the company is concerend about transcon winter flying. There is talk that several of our options for 320s may be converted into 319s. 319s can easly do the transcon flights in the winter, not to mention fill a nice void in our seats.

Again these are just rumors that where discussed in MCO during a recurrent class and in no way constitute the company's position.

Very interesting...Thank you.

the company is concerend about transcon winter flying.

They should be. I know a lot of people who had to make fuel stops on Jetblue transcons last winter. It definitely pisses off the customer.

Sorry, dupe.

Heard last night from some B6 employees that the airline may announce St. Louis (as well as possibly some Carribean Saints) on all saints day.....Nov. 1

Heard last night from some B6 employees that the airline may announce St. Louis (as well as possibly some Carribean Saints) on all saints day.....Nov. 1


BOS-SAN may be coming as well from what i have read on airliners.net

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3009003/

2)No winglets for the 320s. Airbus renigged on the upgrades. Not sure why the deal fell through but I will try to find out more.

3)Because of the winglet deal falling through, the company is concerend about transcon winter flying. There is talk that several of our options for 320s may be converted into 319s. 319s can easly do the transcon flights in the winter, not to mention fill a nice void in our seats.

Airbus is supposedly annoyed that B6 bounght the E190s instead of Airbus planes to fill that need.

Regarding the 319/320s, I was under the impression that the 319 has fewer seats but better range. How would that help in the "void" that you are apparently suffering?

Regarding the 319/320s, I was under the impression that the 319 has fewer seats but better range. How would that help in the "void" that you are apparently suffering?

If I may insert words into JetblueFA's mouth (forgive me if I'm wrong), I think the implication is that the A319 would fill a void in seat count, as the A320 seats 156 and the E190 seats 100. The A319, somewhere in between, would allow JetBlue to more closely tweak seat supply to demand.

Airbus is supposedly annoyed that B6 bounght the E190s instead of Airbus planes to fill that need.

Regarding the 319/320s, I was under the impression that the 319 has fewer seats but better range. How would that help in the "void" that you are apparently suffering?

The A319 helps because the range allows JFK/BOS trans-cons to be done with no restrictions.

BOS-SAN may be coming as well from what i have read on airliners.net

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3009003/

Well, when is that? When B6 will have more routes from BOS-SAN. I don't think it is possible to get enough range. I'm curious what else they can do something for more Airbus A319 is much better for more saving the fuel than A320.

If STL does become a Midwest focus city... which I presume will begin as STL-JFK/BOS/FLL (maybe LGB/OAK) and grow from there... I think we may soon see some E90 service to cities like MCO, MKE, GRR, MEM, COS, DAL).

DAL could be especially lucrative since WN and AA are competing vigerously now on this route... could but AA to shame! :)

I hear plans are still on for STL to be announced on All Saints Day.

ORD should be announced any minute - don't know what is happening there.

HOT RUMOR FROM A GREAT SOURCE:
jetBlue will announce a codeshare with Virgin Atlantic within a few months!!!

Why would Jetblue code share with Virgin Atlantic?


Virgin America is starting up.

Why would Jetblue code share with Virgin Atlantic?


Virgin America is starting up.
I was waiting for that question to come.

Virgin America and Virgin Atlantic have very, very little to do with eachother. All Virgin America has to do with Virgin and Branson is the brand - licensing...just like what Trump does with his name.

There was talk earlier this year of a possible international codeshare. Virgin makes a lot of sense.

NW is overpriced and offers sub-standard service. I mean, paying for an aisle seat??? Come on, get real! People will flock to jetBlue when they start service at MSP. In addition, NW is in no financial position to heavily compete...especially when B6 will most likely fly MSP-JFK and maybe BOS. NW is interested in only MSP-LGA it seems. jetBlue's A320's or E190's will be a real treat there with all those old DC9's.

NW is in really rough shape right now. They've had to cancel hundreds of flights the past few days because they are short of DC-9 crew with hours left for the month.

In the past NW has been very agressive (and anti-competitive) in nature when a new carrier tries to come into MSP. They chased QQ out and gave F9 a run for their money. Now that the're strapped for cash, I'm not sure they're in such a position. NWA management is driving the company into the ground.

MSP would be a good market and B6 would be welcomed by the locals who are sick of the grasp NW has on the market and pricing. Even with NW in financial crisis, given NW's history of driving new-comers out, it would be best to tread lightly into the market. B6 should keep a close eye on it, IMHO.

One addition I'd love to see is SDF, but with WN here it would be difficult -- but its possible B6 could find some niche routes. WN has been great to lower fares, but AA, DL, and NW are still able to fly mainline equipment in (DC-9/MD-88/737-800s) with the mix of RJs.

Non-stop JFK service would be welcome -- but B6 would be competing against ExpressJet (CO) to EWR and US Airways Express to LGA.

One market worth looking at could be LEX. There is no low cost carrier, Lexington is a growing city and home to University of Kentucky (lots of students) -- both CVG and SDF are within a 90 minute drive.

Would be nice to see them in this neck of the woods, but I don't think it'll happen anytime soon.

SDF_Traveler

NW is in really rough shape right now. They've had to cancel hundreds of flights the past few days because they are short of DC-9 crew with hours left for the month.

In the past NW has been very agressive (and anti-competitive) in nature when a new carrier tries to come into MSP. They chased QQ out and gave F9 a run for their money. Now that the're strapped for cash, I'm not sure they're in such a position. NWA management is driving the company into the ground.

MSP would be a good market and B6 would be welcomed by the locals who are sick of the grasp NW has on the market and pricing. Even with NW in financial crisis, given NW's history of driving new-comers out, it would be best to tread lightly into the market. B6 should keep a close eye on it, IMHO.

One addition I'd love to see is SDF, but with WN here it would be difficult -- but its possible B6 could find some niche routes. WN has been great to lower fares, but AA, DL, and NW are still able to fly mainline equipment in (DC-9/MD-88/737-800s) with the mix of RJs.

Non-stop JFK service would be welcome -- but B6 would be competing against ExpressJet (CO) to EWR and US Airways Express to LGA.

One market worth looking at could be LEX. There is no low cost carrier, Lexington is a growing city and home to University of Kentucky (lots of students) -- both CVG and SDF are within a 90 minute drive.

Would be nice to see them in this neck of the woods, but I don't think it'll happen anytime soon.

SDF_Traveler

I would have to agree. B6 would be much nicer than NW going up to MSP. I've done the NYC (Mostly out of EWR, but LGA and JFK have been in my mix before) up to MSP countless times. And I know my family in Minneapolis can't wait for them to come into town. They've mentioned it to myself several times.

I would have to agree. B6 would be much nicer than NW going up to MSP. I've done the NYC (Mostly out of EWR, but LGA and JFK have been in my mix before) up to MSP countless times. And I know my family in Minneapolis can't wait for them to come into town. They've mentioned it to myself several times.

Well, though lacking in significant frequency, lets not forget that SY is actually the airline that currently competes with NW on MSP-JFK. :)

B6 , if it flew to MSP would likely be in the Humphrey terminal, and so SY would be the direct match-up.

If SY ever started operating as a true hub and spoke carrier, it has significant overlap with B6 in its route system......maybe they should just merge now :-)

B6 , if it flew to MSP would likely be in the Humphrey terminal, and so SY would be the direct match-up.

If SY ever started operating as a true hub and spoke carrier, it has significant overlap with B6 in its route system......maybe they should just merge now :-)


Well I would love to see B6 come into MSP. I have had the opportunity to fly YX twice in the last month from Humphrey, and that is a great terminal for the locals.

My guess is that SY will not have a hub and spoke system since they are doing more flying for Transglobal this winter, and RD will have limited service into MSP this winter. Also, SY and B6 have different aircraft, and IMHO, this would not be a good fit

Out here in MSY, we'd love to see B6 expand service out to the west coast. Right now its just UA and DL flying out to LAX- heading anywhere else west of nola you have to connect through texas. Jetblue is really gaining loyalty on the MSY-JFK flights, even competing with AA and DL.

I did some searches and found a filing with the DOT from last week where JetBlue requested 8 landing slots at ORD. There are no specifics on where the flights will operate to or from and it says the schedules aren't final, but this pretty much confirms the rumor that they're planning service there.

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf98/415940_web.pdf


I'm surprised there hasn't been a press release. I remember that a release went out right away when they filed a similar request for slots at LGA.

Bill

I did some searches and found a filing with the DOT from last week where JetBlue requested 8 landing slots at ORD. There are no specifics on where the flights will operate to or from and it says the schedules aren't final, but this pretty much confirms the rumor that they're planning service there.

http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf98/415940_web.pdf


I'm surprised there hasn't been a press release. I remember that a release went out right away when they filed a similar request for slots at LGA.

Bill
Bill, great find!! Hope jetBlue receives the slot authorization for ORD.

On a sidenote, I've talked to Mr. Land once a few years ago - he is pretty cool.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3027538/

No winglets for the Airbi