Air New Zealand Air Points - Lower earning rates on Qantas codeshares

According to the Airpoints Terms and Conditions for Australian residents (in AU Airpoints Dollars) for Trans-Tasman services:

NZ-operated Business = 75 Airpoints dollars
QF-operated Business = 35 Airpoints dollars

NZ-operated Premium Economy = 45 Airpoints dollars

NZ-operated Full Economy = 45 Airpoints dollars
QF-operated Full Economy = 30 Airpoints dollars
QF-coded (Jetstar-operated) Full Economy = 0 Airpoints dollars

NZ-operated Discount Economy = 25 Airpoints dollars
QF-operated Discount Economy = 25 Airpoints dollars
QF-coded (Jetstar-operated) Discount Economy = 0 Airpoints dollars

NZ-operated Smartsaver Deep Discount Economy = 0 Airpoints dollars
QF-coded (Jetstar-operated) Deep Discount Economy = 0 Airpoints dollars

In other words,
1) Qantas flights disadvantage you unless you are flying Discount economy on a Flexi or Fully Flexi NZ ticket

2) If you fly on QF metal at Smartsaver prices, book it through QF as they will give points on their scheme, whereas NZ won't.

3) Make sure that your QF flight with an NZ code is not operated by Jetstar: if it is you will pay for your food and get no points.

The other issue for elites is which airline's lounge do you use?

I'd imagine that Airpoints earned on QF-operated flights won't count towards Elite status, either.

There is plenty of time for the necessary alterations to the loyalty scheme's before any codeshare goes ahead. Of course DCF ahead of time one will know if their flight will be operated by QF or NZ, just like with every other codeshare - and can just avoid that service (I know I would avoid JetConnect services for instance).

* I'm sure JQ operated services will not have a NZ code - they would use FJ to signify the service level. Though even if they did use the NZ code as it would be a NZ code you would get points..

* I'm optimistic that adequate arrangement will be made for Elite's travelling on the others airline - Premium Check-in, Priority Luggage Handling, Preferred Seating, Lounge access and the ability to earn status.

I'm sorry ntddevsys, but my loyalty to NZ is in part a product of a hatred of QF, and I don't like this tie-up.

"Eleven A320-loads empty each day across the Tasman". Fine. Fly less planes. But don't get into bed with Qantas.

I left Qantas because of endless hassles about strollers, child carseats, weight of luggage (once had to buy an extra bag for the sake of 0.1kg).

I live in Australia, but fly business class several times each year to California, London and Tahiti. I happily accept the inconvenience of going via AKL in order to avoid Qantas.

When the QF groundstaff check me in at BNE they often say "you'll have to check in that stroller / hand-luggage etc". I just smile back and say "well, I'm a very frequent flyer on this route with this luggage, please let me take my chance at the gate with the NZ cabin crew". And every time, the NZ crew welcome me back on board, and often lift up my 9kg roller-bag or put my stroller in the cupboard (we still get the old 747s mainly).

I simply will not travel with Air NZ if the Qantas rulebook starts to affect the experience. NZ encourage their crews and groundstaff to adapt to help the customer, QF insist that the rulebook be applied regardless of how this inconveniences the customer.

I avoid the hand-luggage Nazis at AKL as I'm always either in transit or checking in at the Premium desk and avoiding the QF-style restrictions.

Quite simply, if QF and its bloody rulebook becomes a tangible part of the NZ flying experience on the ground or in the air, my custom will switch to Air Tahiti Nui quicker than you can say "Au revoir and Ia Orana".

I simply will not travel with Air NZ if the Qantas rulebook starts to affect the experience. NZ encourage their crews and groundstaff to adapt to help the customer, QF insist that the rulebook be applied regardless of how this inconveniences the customer.What is to say this will happen when flying with NZ on their metal - NZ already use QF ckin staff at several australian ports, that won't change ?

Biggest concern for me with the Codeshare arrangement is status credits.

I think that the unification of AP$ and Credits was a bad idea. I also think that Smart Savers and the likes should still earn Credits- it's a threshold based loyalty scheme and a great opportunity to hold those customers who are somewhat pricve concious.

The big question is what are the Star Alliance regulations around codeshare on non *A metal.... that really could be a stumbling block.

Why should it be? Already there are many non-*A airlines that partner with *A airlines, and some even from competing alliances.

eg QF and SK, QF and US, SQ and DL, etc.

Why should QF-NZ be any different?

I'm sorry ntddevsys, but my loyalty to NZ is in part a product of a hatred of QF, and I don't like this tie-up.

"Eleven A320-loads empty each day across the Tasman". Fine. Fly less planes. But don't get into bed with Qantas.

I left Qantas because of endless hassles about strollers, child carseats, weight of luggage (once had to buy an extra bag for the sake of 0.1kg).

I live in Australia, but fly business class several times each year to California, London and Tahiti. I happily accept the inconvenience of going via AKL in order to avoid Qantas.

When the QF groundstaff check me in at BNE they often say "you'll have to check in that stroller / hand-luggage etc". I just smile back and say "well, I'm a very frequent flyer on this route with this luggage, please let me take my chance at the gate with the NZ cabin crew". And every time, the NZ crew welcome me back on board, and often lift up my 9kg roller-bag or put my stroller in the cupboard (we still get the old 747s mainly).

I simply will not travel with Air NZ if the Qantas rulebook starts to affect the experience. NZ encourage their crews and groundstaff to adapt to help the customer, QF insist that the rulebook be applied regardless of how this inconveniences the customer.

I avoid the hand-luggage Nazis at AKL as I'm always either in transit or checking in at the Premium desk and avoiding the QF-style restrictions.

Quite simply, if QF and its bloody rulebook becomes a tangible part of the NZ flying experience on the ground or in the air, my custom will switch to Air Tahiti Nui quicker than you can say "Au revoir and Ia Orana".


I fly regularly out of Perth and I do not have similar experience when I am flying premium class, both with QF and SQ. However, if you are flying Y, god forbid if you have something larger than the allowed size or weight. I did not think this was related to QF,NZ or SQ. I only have this experience in Australia.

When the QF groundstaff check me in at BNE they often say "you'll have to check in that stroller / hand-luggage etc". I just smile back and say "well, I'm a very frequent flyer on this route with this luggage, please let me take my chance at the gate with the NZ cabin crew". And every time, the NZ crew welcome me back on board, and often lift up my 9kg roller-bag or put my stroller in the cupboard (we still get the old 747s mainly).


9kg? CASA would like to get to know you I hear....