Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners) - Seven in one Swope

Hi everybody,

perhaps only the German native speakers will know "Grimm's Märchen Sieben auf einen Streich"...

Had an experience today which reminded me of the fairy tale: On the flight DUS - MUC today there were seven Hons which became obvious when we all entered the limo bus for the transfer to the terminal.

At least for me this was the flight with the highest number of Hons among the pax!


Astonished me really....

Talenti

Hi everybody,

perhaps only the German native speakers will know "Grimm's Märchen Sieben auf einen Streich"...

Had an experience today which reminded me of the fairy tale: On the flight DUS - MUC today there were seven Hons which became obvious when we all entered the limo bus for the transfer to the terminal.

At least for me this was the flight with the highest number of Hons among the pax!


Astonished me really....

Talenti

Really amazing... That must have been an earth shattering experience!
But I also have to add that on my last flight from MUC to JFK there were also 5 HONs onboard!

Really amazing... That must have been an earth shattering experience!
But I also have to add that on my last flight from MUC to JFK there were also 5 HONs onboard!
LH definitely needs to introduce HON+ shortly ...
:D :D :D

Really amazing... That must have been an earth shattering experience!


Not earth shattering at all!!!

But really wouldn't have expected that on a flight inside Germany which left DUS in the afternoon...

LH definitely needs to introduce HON+ shortly ...
:D :D :D

Yeah. Incidents like this clearly demonstrate how diluted that status already is. I hope everybody asked for compensation? :D

LH definitely needs to introduce HON+ shortly ...
:D :D :D

So the requirements at the moment are 600k in two calendar years!
But what would HON+ require?
1.000.000 miles in one year (calendar year of course)? :confused:

So the requirements at the moment are 600k in two calendar years!
But what would HON+ require?
1.000.000 miles in one year (calendar year of course)? :confused:

Regarding Super-HON, I'd opt for 1 Mio. BIS miles in the month of February (1.1 Mio. in leap years). However, only miles accrued in full-fare F on LH metal in seats 83A or 2A should count for status. Also, flights serving cold nuts won't be eligible for mileage accrual. Last but not least, pax who are organized enough to book and travel a minimum of 6 transatlantic Z fares ex Germany (60 days advance booking) per calendar year will be presented with honorary lifetime Super-HON status. They'll also gain access to an exclusive, ultra-cheap Z fare (ZSHOT).

Regarding Super-HON, I'd opt for 1 Mio. BIS miles in the month of February (1.1 Mio. in leap years). However, only miles accrued in full-fare F on LH metal in seats 83A or 2A should count for status. Also, flights serving cold nuts won't be eligible for mileage accrual. Last but not least, pax who are organized enough to book and travel a minimum of 6 transatlantic Z fares ex Germany (60 days advance booking) per calendar year will be presented with honorary lifetime Super-HON status. They'll also gain access to an exclusive, ultra-cheap Z fare (ZSHOT).


Why don't I think that you are exaggerating a little bit? It's probably because of LH's M&M policy and the steadily changing terms and conditions for everything!

But what about the service for the HON+ members? I mean the service standard is already pretty high, i.e. it is getting difficult for LH still to improve the service... Probably they will imitate Emirates and there is also a car service which is picking you up in the city and bringing you to the airport!
And....

Why don't I think that you are exaggerating a little bit?

I don't know.

I don't know.

Me neither! But I think it's because of LH!

Not earth shattering at all!!!

But really wouldn't have expected that on a flight inside Germany which left DUS in the afternoon...

well seams that HONs have the power to delegate... and then to take the afternoon flights... :cool:

well seams that HONs have the power to delegate... and then to take the afternoon flights... :cool:

I wouldn't envy them, as it still means they had to work during the morning. Poor souls.

You may envy me, anytime.

You may envy me, anytime.Envy... ;) :p

Envy... ;) :p

Ahh... that feels good... Once again, please? :cool:

HON+ will have to take a minimum of two flights per week in LH Private Jets.

HON++ will simply buy all LH shares and abolish the FFP thus cancelling all benefits, especially for NUT related pax. :)

HON++ will simply buy all LH shares

Ha! I'm OK with that. I'll sell mine at a premium.

Ha! I'm OK with that. I'll sell mine at a premium.

Then you will have to fly DELTA to LAX via ATL !
The advantage being, you don't need to worry about upgrades to F, as they don't have an F cabin... ;) (I'm not too sure if they even have a C cabin, even though they sell one)

Then you will have to fly DELTA to LAX via ATL !
The advantage being, you don't need to worry about upgrades to F, as they don't have an F cabin... ;) (I'm not too sure if they even have a C cabin, even though they sell one)

You wish! But no, after selling my LH stock, I'll get myself get a NetJets card.

More envy. Please? :D

You wish! But no, after selling my LH stock, I'll get myself get a NetJets card.

More envy. Please? :D

100k for 25 flight hours ? Why not get two ?


Was kostet die Welt ? Ich nehme ZWEI !

100k for 25 flight hours ? Why not get two ?

Still waiting for the double hours promo. :D

.... (ZSHOT).

I simply think zey should be shot on the spot.... permanentely. :eek:

Cheers

Thomas

I simply think zey should be shot on the spot.... permanentely. :eek:

How do you zhoot somebody temporarily? :confused:

I think 200k BIS in Y per year should get HON as well. They earned it the hard way. - Sitting really hurts sometimes... :D

I think 200k BIS in Y per year should get HON as well. They earned it the hard way. - Sitting really hurts sometimes... :D

Totally disagree. :)

HON is not about LH accomodating your masochistic urges.
HON is about you making a habit of overpaying LH for a seat in F.

It's not your butt that should hurt.
It's your wallet. Or that of the company that owns you and your time.

you're probably right, but I still wouldn't mind becoming HON as compensation for the pain and bad food ;)

you're probably right, but I still wouldn't mind being HON :D

Neither would I. But only if it's free. I would not consider flying that much or spending the amount money necessary to meet the requirements. Bad overall value, but a nice perk for those who HAVE to fly (as in NO CHOICE).

Of course, if LH invited me to HON for free, I would have to reconsider accepting. I mean, a club that would invite ME must be seriously flawed. ;)

you're probably right, but I still wouldn't mind becoming HON as compensation for the pain and bad food ;)

Sorry for disappointing you but I think your chances are not that good becoming HON with these arguments.
But why not writing a letter to the Wolf? Please let me know instantly when an answer! Maybe your chances for an answer are not too bad since you are a SEN...

Neither would I. But only if it's free. I would not consider flying that much or spending the amount money necessary to meet the requirements. Bad overall value, but a nice perk for those who HAVE to fly (as in NO CHOICE).

Of course, if LH invited me to HON for free, I would have to reconsider accepting. I mean, a club that would invite ME must be seriously flawed. ;)

Nobody would mind accepting when LH is offering you the HON status for free! But this is pointless since it won't happen...
Flysurfer is right this kind of club must be flawed.
Sorry but I can't really understand the people who only flying just to get a status. There are so many other possibilities how to spend your time.

But why not writing a letter to the Wolf?

Not too sure if it's worth it. Because arguing because I prefer to fly cheap in order to spend my money on things that have a better value imho might not help. But pointing out that most of my travel is out of my own pocket and that I'm so young and had such a bad time at school and ... you get the idea. But still, I doubt it would work out. But in case I'll give it a shot, I'll certainly let you know.

But pointing out that most of my travel is out of my own pocket and that I'm so young and had such a bad time at school and ... you get the idea.

ROFL!

ROFL!

Making girls laugh is said to work, maybe I should give it a try with the Wolf then. :cool:

But pointing out that most of my travel is out of my own pocket and that I'm so young and had such a bad time at school and ... you get the idea.

I am almost crying! I am feeling so sorry for you Thomas_B... But being honest this would make the letter much better and would face the Wolf or whoever he is reading the letter with hard arguments!

Making girls laugh is said to work, maybe I should give it a try with the Wolf then. :cool:

He'll laugh... at you! :cool:

Laugh at me while giving me my card himself - nice deal. ;)

Laugh at me while giving me my card himself - nice deal. ;)

So you really ARE a masochist.

You wish! But no, after selling my LH stock, I'll get myself get a NetJets card.

More envy. Please? :DEnvy... I'm going to charge for it... :D

Envy... I'm going to charge for it... :D

Do you take miles?

Do you take miles?Sure... or your mojo :D

Sure... or your mojo :D

Oh. You found it?

Back to OP: I don't they were all HONs. It could have been F pax transiting to a intercont flight starting in MUC. Since the weather is so unpredictable, they might have flown in a little earlier?

Hi everybody,

Had an experience today which reminded me of the fairy tale: On the flight DUS - MUC today there were seven Hons which became obvious when we all entered the limo bus for the transfer to the terminal.

At least for me this was the flight with the highest number of Hons among the pax!

Talenti

Although longhaul - on LH 738 from FRA to HKG there were 12 HONS - each having a PA awaiting one on arrival for assistance with immigration etc.

Cheers

Thomas

...experienced a flight with 7 fellow HON from DEL to FRA (and still got my op-up to F :D ).

HON+ will definetly involve a flight from home to the plane instead of a drive from the FCT (helicopter pick-up would be alright with me :D ). Who needs the crowded FCT then :rolleyes: !

cheers
HON_Hunter

Although longhaul - on LH 738 from FRA to HKG there were 12 HONS - each having a PA awaiting one on arrival for assistance with immigration etc.
(...)
Doesn't HGK provide dedicated PA service per each HON and per each paid F pax?

Last but not least, pax who are organized enough to book and travel a minimum of 6 transatlantic Z fares ex Germany (60 days advance booking) per calendar year will be presented with honorary lifetime Super-HON status. They'll also gain access to an exclusive, ultra-cheap Z fare (ZSHOT).
Sorry but you got that wrong. Changes of HON Circle miles as of August 1 2006 are:

1) No Z fares count
2) D Fares count only 50%
3) A fares only 50%
4) more then 4 (one per quarter) Z class per year will VOID HON Circle membership

Doesn't HGK provide dedicated PA service per each HON and per each paid F pax?

They did it at that time - which I found surprising - especially when the HON "Manager" in HKG told me that they nrmally only have about 6 PA to handle it - and that they had to arrange for extra personnel. But he said this was truly exceptional.
Generally I have found the HON service in HKG to be among the best - also in terms of assistance and personalized service.

Cheers

Thomas

Why don't I think that you are exaggerating a little bit? It's probably because of LH's M&M policy and the steadily changing terms and conditions for everything!

But what about the service for the HON+ members? I mean the service standard is already pretty high, i.e. it is getting difficult for LH still to improve the service... Probably they will imitate Emirates and there is also a car service which is picking you up in the city and bringing you to the airport!
And....

Seriously, this is already in place !!! On invitation at your home station!!!! Only a C 230 but still nice anyway, as you can cut it absolutely short and they guarantee you BP even after cut off time. As soon as you are in the car you are considered checked in. I walk to the counter, dorp my bag and collect my BP (they print them in the morning)...

Seriously, this is already in place !!! On invitation at your home station!!!! Only a C 230 but still nice anyway, as you can cut it absolutely short and they guarantee you BP even after cut off time. As soon as you are in the car you are considered checked in. I walk to the counter, dorp my bag and collect my BP (they print them in the morning)...

Do you really think they would introduce a higher status than HON?
All fantasies..

You must understand that if there is seven people going with a limo bus from the aircraft is probably HONs with guests/family members.

If there were seven HONs it would be natural too because they probably spreading out to intercontinental flights. The domestic/european aircrafts are filled with HONs, but not the intercontinental.
Cmon, you know that we HONs are flying between 80-250 flights every year and if there is ~2000 HONs out there you could figure it out by yourselves that there is more than 1 HON present at the airport.

Tom

Do you really think they would introduce a higher status than HON?
All fantasies..

You must understand that if there is seven people going with a limo bus from the aircraft is probably HONs with guests/family members.

If there were seven HONs it would be natural too because they probably spreading out to intercontinental flights. The domestic/european aircrafts are filled with HONs, but not the intercontinental.
Cmon, you know that we HONs are flying between 80-250 flights every year and if there is ~2000 HONs out there you could figure it out by yourselves that there is more than 1 HON present at the airport.

Tom
Welcome to FT Tom Alcatel,

actually I don't think that here will be something like Hon+. But probably LH will arise the miles to get it. They still did it in a way by not counting UA metal miles for HON status.

Cheers
totti

Sorry but you got that wrong. Changes of HON Circle miles as of August 1 2006 are:

1) No Z fares count
2) D Fares count only 50%
3) A fares only 50%
4) more then 4 (one per quarter) Z class per year will VOID HON Circle membership
I agree with 1..4, but you forgot one important thing as compensation:

5) Executive bonus back on earned miles, not on distance miles.
^

That would bring me 25.582 miles on a FRA-SFO leg in F, whereas currently I only get 19.898. :(

The good old days of 375% instead of 325% now.

Remember when a short domestic UA flight in F netted 3750 status miles ? Now it's down to only 1625 miles.

The good old days of 375% instead of 325% now.

Remember when a short domestic UA flight in F netted 3750 status miles ? Now it's down to only 1625 miles.

As flysurfer still mentioned it will be interesting to see when we'll get over the 8/1/2004 changes. :rolleyes:

Welcome to FT Tom Alcatel,

actually I don't think that here will be something like Hon+. But probably LH will arise the miles to get it. They still did it in a way by not counting UA metal miles for HON status.

Cheers
totti


Thank you Totti,

In a way you can sympatize with LH decision not to count UA metal miles because of all the domestic UA flights. The US based HONs are likely to hop on LH metal overseas (atlantic) if they want to remain HONs.

The european HONs that travel a lot RTW (me) doesn't like this decision because it takes away the HON miles from the UA flights over the pacific (LAX-HNL-NRT, LAX-NRT, SFO-NRT, ORD-PEK for example).
I am now forced to do more expensive and exhausting round-trips (FRA-SFO, FRA-SIN, FRA-JNB in 10 days). After those trips (even if you fly F) you are likely to be home for at least 4 days.

Tom

The good old days of 375% instead of 325% now.

Remember when a short domestic UA flight in F netted 3750 status miles ? Now it's down to only 1625 miles.
Yes, but 375% where for FTL and SEN. Both are now on 325%. As a HON one earns 350% now, my hope would be 450%, of course! :D

And yes, I also made many many 3.750 F miles on a short domestic UA flight. ^

Now the miles are down, but much more worse, UA offers only that bull.... coach on all short flights (They call it express or shuttle, HA!). Which I hate even more, than the famous BUS rides in FRA and which I try to avoid, whenever I can. Sitting lopsided in an aircraft can't be good. Not on a 4hr ride and not on a 30min hop. :mad:

As flysurfer still mentioned it will be interesting to see when we'll get over the 8/1/2004 changes. :rolleyes:

Traumatic effects like these can take very long to overcome ! ;)

I am now forced to do more expensive and exhausting round-trips (FRA-SFO, FRA-SIN, FRA-JNB in 10 days). After those trips (even if you fly F) you are likely to be home for at least 4 days.

Tom

Hi Tom,

It is still your decision which route to fly. Nobody forces you to changes your routings to requalify for HON and to be honest, I would not fly much more expensive routes, because if you are in F anyway on longhauls, you do not need HON to access the FCT and service onboard should be perfect. Also, why not avoid UA across the Pacific, if you can fly on SQ. ;)

Now the miles are down, but much more worse, UA offers only that bull.... coach on all short flights (They call it express or shuttle, HA!). Which I hate even more, than the famous BUS rides in FRA and which I try to avoid, whenever I can. Sitting lopsided in an aircraft can't be good. Not on a 4hr ride and not on a 30min hop. :mad:Not true! United Express offers F since a few months also on short haul (CR70 or others). I used to complain too, but they seemd to listen and have changed it (experienced it so far on ORD-MEM and MEM-IAD).

cheers
HON_Hunter

Seriously, this is already in place !!! On invitation at your home station!!!! Only a C 230 but still nice anyway, as you can cut it absolutely short and they guarantee you BP even after cut off time. As soon as you are in the car you are considered checked in. I walk to the counter, dorp my bag and collect my BP (they print them in the morning)...
Which City? On what fare? Just on the status? If I can save the cab fare to the airport, I'll go for it immediately....

cheers
HON_Hunter

Not true! United Express offers F since a few months also on short haul (CR70 or others). I used to complain too, but they seemd to listen and have changed it (experienced it so far on ORD-MEM and MEM-IAD).

cheers
HON_Hunter


Unless of course you're on a TED flight.

Not true! United Express offers F since a few months also on short haul (CR70 or others). I used to complain too, but they seemd to listen and have changed it (experienced it so far on ORD-MEM and MEM-IAD).

The UX flights are slowly changing to exPlus config with F, E+ and E seating:

http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6722,51333,00.html?navSource=AwardsBar&linkTitle=Award04_explus&pos=4

Hi Tom,

It is still your decision which route to fly. Nobody forces you to changes your routings to requalify for HON and to be honest, I would not fly much more expensive routes, because if you are in F anyway on longhauls, you do not need HON to access the FCT and service onboard should be perfect. Also, why not avoid UA across the Pacific, if you can fly on SQ. ;)

Hi Flamb..
Yes I know but the thing is that HON is a pretty good status too have when you get to these places (escort trough immigraion and customs) and flying other classes than F.
I know that I am not forced to do anything, except when my boss is really in a bad mood.
And yes, I have flown the long ones to SIN on SQ. But I have to go to NRT so I can't let NRT go.

/Tom

Not true! United Express offers F since a few months also on short haul (CR70 or others). I used to complain too, but they seemd to listen and have changed it (experienced it so far on ORD-MEM and MEM-IAD).(...)
Yes, I've seen this lately and will myself be on a RDU-ORD ride next Tuesday in F. It is UA7773 and I have no clue, whether this is UA or Express or TED or whomelse. Just insisted for the F availability, like I did inbound on ATL-RDU on DL839 as well. I told my TA, that I will NOT ACCEPT any domestic US leg in any coach bull..... I am not willing to be treated like an animal !!!

The entire 52hr trip is expensive enough, so I don't take care of a cheap domestic flight. As a customer I want to have the choice and I'm willing to pay for that.

Yes, I've seen this lately and will myself be on a RDU-ORD ride next Tuesday in F. It is UA7773 and I have no clue, whether this is UA or Express or TED or whomelse. Just insisted for the F availability, like I did inbound on ATL-RDU on DL839 as well. I told my TA, that I will NOT ACCEPT any domestic US leg in any coach bull..... I am not willing to be treated like an animal !!!

The entire 52hr trip is expensive enough, so I don't take care of a cheap domestic flight. As a customer I want to have the choice and I'm willing to pay for that.

UA7773 is operated by United Express and does have an F cabin. (E70 plane)