SAS EuroBonus - EB Points for *A Codeshare (non SK)

Sorry if this has been discussed previously but I could not find any post dealing specifically with this question.

Does EB award points on *A codeshares as if the flight was operated by the codeshare airline or does the operating carrier come into play? This is assuming the operating carrier is *A also.

Specifically, what will be the point earning on LH codeshare (BD operated) flights between AMS and LHR, assuming a LH booking that earns 100% points according to scandinavian.net (Y,B,M,H,Q,V,S)? The bmi website states 25% earning for V and W booking class (based on mileage of 800).

Finally, any ideas on how to maximize the point earning - given that I pay for my own flights :( - when commuting weekly between Amsterdam and London? I guess flying LH with one stop in each direction should give me in 2400 points per roundtrip in Economy?

Thanks!

Specifically, what will be the point earning on LH codeshare (BD operated) flights between AMS and LHR, assuming a LH booking that earns 100% points according to scandinavian.net (Y,B,M,H,Q,V,S)? The bmi website states 25% earning for V and W booking class (based on mileage of 800).

Finally, any ideas on how to maximize the point earning - given that I pay for my own flights :( - when commuting weekly between Amsterdam and London? I guess flying LH with one stop in each direction should give me in 2400 points per roundtrip in Economy?

Thanks!
I have bought LH codeshare tickets many times.
You get BMI points, no matter if you buy the ticket from LH with LH-prefix.
The good thing is that you do not need to worry about Tiny fares and such.

Flying AMS-LHR via FRA or MUC you should probably get 2400 points return (1200 points each way).
But the cheaper tickets (below booking class B or H or so) do usually not allow transfers via FRA or MUC.
I have tried to book CDG-LHR on LH via FRA myself for the same reason (and to avoid BMI) but it ended up being quite expensive.
Almost all cheap/medium-priced tickets AMS/BRU/CDG-LHR booked through LH only allow travel on direct flights.

EB earnings are based on metal flown and ticketed class. So if you book a LH codeshare in V which is operated by BD you need to look in to the chart what BD gives to EB for V.

This IS confusing stuff, we all agree.

So if you book a LH codeshare in V which is operated by BD you need to look in to the chart what BD gives to EB for V.
I wonder if that 25% earning is valid for all V-class tickets or only V-class tickets which are booked as so-called "Tiny Fares".

I haven't flown BMI for ages. Anybody with more recent experiences?

BMI has always awarded 100% points before on V-class tickets before...

It goes even further, some prices and classes booked on Code-share does not exist on the same route for the operating carrier. Like STO-MAD on *SK operated by JK..it was booked in S-class but when it entered my account it was coverted to U-class on JK-flightnumber.

So you cant always trust that V-class booked on LH-prefix operated by BD will be V-class on BD, it mostly is but not always.

And yes, I belive the 25% earnings applies on tiny-fares. :td:

Flying AMS-LHR via FRA or MUC you should probably get 2400 points return (1200 points each way).
But the cheaper tickets (below booking class B or H or so) do usually not allow transfers via FRA or MUC.
I have tried to book CDG-LHR on LH via FRA myself for the same reason (and to avoid BMI) but it ended up being quite expensive.
Almost all cheap/medium-priced tickets AMS/BRU/CDG-LHR booked through LH only allow travel on direct flights.
Yeah, this is what I have been seeing when searching as well.


Anyway, thanks for your answers guys. I think I might reconsider trying to keep EBG, and aim for BA Gold instead considering their restricted business fares are ~EUR220 return.

I think I might reconsider trying to keep EBG, and aim for BA Gold instead considering their restricted business fares are ~EUR220 return.

Makes sense, please send a letter to EB if you decide to go OW way... :rolleyes:

If I knew I would be able to make BA Gold, I certainly would go the OW way, seeing that I could get lounge access at OSL while flying DOM SK (or even DY), something that SK refuses to give their own EBGs

I got this a little while ago from Eurobonus in Bangkok. Does it make sense?

"We regret that we are unable to retroactively credit points on this occasion.
(BD2506: SA236/30SEP05)

Please note that certain BD - BMI flight numbers are operated by SA - South African Airways not included in the agreement between BMI and EuroBonus."

It was ticketed as BD but operated by SA. :confused:

I got this a little while ago from Eurobonus in Bangkok. Does it make sense?

"We regret that we are unable to retroactively credit points on this occasion.
(BD2506: SA236/30SEP05)

Please note that certain BD - BMI flight numbers are operated by SA - South African Airways not included in the agreement between BMI and EuroBonus."

It was ticketed as BD but operated by SA. :confused:
You flew UK-South Africa if I got it right? (BD probably wouldn't codeshare flight not originating in the UK)

The fact that the flight had BD-prefix and your ticket was booked as BD-codeshare has nothing to do with the point earnings, it's based on metal flown.
You should points for flying SAA which means extra points.

Seems like they made a mistake there.
However you can only retro-register points up to six months after the flight if that has any impact in your case.

Yes that is Weird since SA237 is JNB-LHR and can be claimed (extra points pnly) but anyways..You can claim it as a SA-flight.

But no points in E or W-class on SA if that was the case.

It was ticketed as JNB-LHR BD2506 and H-class. So this should be an eligible fare, right?


Yes that is Weird since SA237 is JNB-LHR and can be claimed (extra points pnly) but anyways..You can claim it as a SA-flight.

But no points in E or W-class on SA if that was the case.

Cant see any reason why it should not. But I have heard that sometimes in theese cases it might be different. Like flying SK-metal CPH-BJS but bought on Air China-flightnumbers=no points.

In Swedish Only: from www.sas.se
"Du tjänar inga poäng när du reser på sträckorna Köpenhamn - Beijing/Shanghai eller Köpenhamn/Stockholm - St. Petersburg om du har köpt en biljett vars flygnummer börjar med CA eller FV (t ex CA195). "

Translation
"You dont earn points CPH-BJS or CPH/STO-LED when flightnumbers are CA or FV" So in this case the metal is SK but no points to be earned.

So mayeb it might be something like this, but I should try again with Bangkok first and claim it as a SA-flight.

No points...Out of luck this time I guess.

We regret to confirm that this case is not possible to arrual points. It is correct that both BD and SA are partners of EuroBonus program. However, the accrual agreements are only bilateral between EuroBonus and BD/SA. In other words, you would earn points when you take BD-operated flights on BD ticket, and when you take SA-operated flights on SA ticket.

No points...Out of luck this time I guess.

We regret to confirm that this case is not possible to arrual points. It is correct that both BD and SA are partners of EuroBonus program. However, the accrual agreements are only bilateral between EuroBonus and BD/SA. In other words, you would earn points when you take BD-operated flights on BD ticket, and when you take SA-operated flights on SA ticket.Wow! Talk about Catch-22! However, this will certainly change when SA comes up to speed in *A.

cheers,

Henry

This is just another reason, in my opinion, that we should require that Star Alliance changes their earning rules.

I think the ticketing carrier and it's booking class should be what dictates the earning. If you book SK you get points according to SK, if you book UA you get UA points - regardless of carrier.

This means that you don't need to keep track of which carrier operates and the bilateral negotiations performed between the carriers as in the above example.

OneWorld has done this much better. If I fly on AY tickets on SN, for example, I earn points according to AY earning tables. As AY is oneWorld AA also credits me an extra 100% points as it does with ALL oneWorld flights.

(But there are bad things in OneWorld as well. Most BA rates only gives 25% and EI and CX hardly gives point in any booking class expect full economy.)

But overall, it is much easier to know, and calculate, what you should get in oneWorld according to me.

This is just another reason, in my opinion, that we should require that Star Alliance changes their earning rules.Unfortunately, we are in no position to _require_ them to do anything at all.

cheers,

Henry

well I've done my choice and I went with AA/BA on my latest trip. No doubt that I won't get my points then... If SAS wants to play this game I'll vote with my feet. When there is doubt I'll choose Oneworld anytime.

This is just another reason, in my opinion, that we should require that Star Alliance changes their earning rules.

I think the ticketing carrier and it's booking class should be what dictates the earning. If you book SK you get points according to SK, if you book UA you get UA points - regardless of carrier.
Absolutely, earnings should be based on ticketed carrier. I flew AY HEL-CDG, OS CDG-VIE last spring, both ticketed as AF-flights. Even though I flew both Star & Oneworld, I recieved miles for the AF flights on my OK account without problems. That is the way it really should be.

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I got this a little while ago from Eurobonus in Bangkok. Does it make sense?

"We regret that we are unable to retroactively credit points on this occasion.
(BD2506: SA236/30SEP05)

Please note that certain BD - BMI flight numbers are operated by SA - South African Airways not included in the agreement between BMI and EuroBonus."

It was ticketed as BD but operated by SA. :confused:

No points...Out of luck this time I guess.

We regret to confirm that this case is not possible to arrual points. It is correct that both BD and SA are partners of EuroBonus program. However, the accrual agreements are only bilateral between EuroBonus and BD/SA. In other words, you would earn points when you take BD-operated flights on BD ticket, and when you take SA-operated flights on SA ticket.

Pulling up this old thread to see if anyone has recent experience with this Catch-22 situation. Presumably the specific BD/SA difficulty of 2 1/2 years ago is now moot, with the full integration of SA into *A. But what about others?

There is an SA codeshare flight between JNB and SYD that is operated by Qantas. Surprisingly, it is allowed on *A RTW itineraries. Since QF is not *A, and since it's the operating carrier that counts, there won't be any EB 'basic' points through that channel. But what about the 'back channel', i.e., the bilateral between SK and QF for EB 'extra' points on most QF flights (and this one is not specifically exempted)?

Or will this just end up in the same rejection as above:

...both QF and SA are partners of EuroBonus program. However, the accrual agreements are only bilateral between EuroBonus and QF/SA. In other words, you would earn points when you take QF-operated flights on QF ticket, and when you take SA-operated flights on SA ticket.


???

cheers,

Henry

Or will this just end up in the same rejection as above:

...both QF and SA are partners of EuroBonus program. However, the accrual agreements are only bilateral between EuroBonus and QF/SA. In other words, you would earn points when you take QF-operated flights on QF ticket, and when you take SA-operated flights on SA ticket.


Most likely. At least the following ranges are excluded: SA2000-3999 and SA7000-7949.