Independence Air iClub - PBI-IAD-SYR on Jan 6th

I just booked a couple of award flights. I am leaving the 3rd and returning the 6th. How safe am I for my return?

Good luck getting home.

Good luck getting home.

I know its borderline what does everyone put my odds at?

Rumor on the ACA Lounge is that all planes will return to IAD on the 5th and be parked. Best of luck to you.

I know its borderline what does everyone put my odds at?

No offense dude, but pleny of experienced people have been telling you not to push your luck, like with your "plan" to buy a bunch of tix, refund them, and then use them for standby travel -- remember it was such a really great deal, right?

The ABSOLUTE LAST DAY you want to be flying on an airline is the day it folds. Period. If you know it's going to fold, or have a reasonable thought that it might, stay away.

No offense dude, but pleny of experienced people have been telling you not to push your luck, like with your "plan" to buy a bunch of tix, refund them, and then use them for standby travel -- remember it was such a really great deal, right?

The ABSOLUTE LAST DAY you want to be flying on an airline is the day it folds. Period. If you know it's going to fold, or have a reasonable thought that it might, stay away.

yeah I know I had my 'plan', anyway as for this trip goes, worst case on the way back I will have to pay the $50 fee. I checked jetblue and they have a lot of availability on the 6th. Personally, I think it would be really cool to be on the last flight, I might have to change my reservation to the 5th, I know the SYR operations manager so I'll talk with him when i get to the airport If i need to switch.

I know its borderline what does everyone put my odds at?

I can't do odds because there are none. 0% chance. Guaranteed.


Cheers.

Well I guess the question now is how do I fly it on another airline, do I just show a copy of my printed confirmation to another airline's ticket counter?

They will not be around on the 6th.

Official Closure Press Release (http://www.flyi.com/company/default.aspx)

yeah I know I had my 'plan', anyway as for this trip goes, worst case on the way back I will have to pay the $50 fee. I checked jetblue and they have a lot of availability on the 6th. Personally, I think it would be really cool to be on the last flight, I might have to change my reservation to the 5th, I know the SYR operations manager so I'll talk with him when i get to the airport If i need to switch.
So now that you know they won't be around, you'll cancel the trip right?

ClimbGuy,

JetBlue doesn't fly PBI-IAD-SYR. What makes you think they're legally required to create a new itinerary for you?

ClimbGuy,

JetBlue doesn't fly PBI-IAD-SYR. What makes you think they're legally required to create a new itinerary for you?

They do PBI-JFK-SYR which is what they are required to do, I am on hold with them and in the process of making the reservation switch over.

Yes, they are obligated to take you via their routing on a STANDBY basis only for the $50. Would suck to get stuck on the cnx.

Yes, they are obligated to take you via their routing on a STANDBY basis only for the $50. Would suck to get stuck on the cnx.


yes it would i am still on hold with jetblue but they said they would just ticket it for me. They aren't sure about the fee yet. I think they just want to look good and pick up a new customer base. If jetblue tickets me today and doesn't charge me the $50 (well even if they do) you better belive I'll be standing infront for a camera at the airport telling them how great JetBlue is.

If jetblue tickets me today and doesn't charge me the $50 (well even if they do) you better belive I'll be standing infront for a camera at the airport telling them how great JetBlue is.

:rolleyes: Take it easy. The reservations agent isn't reading this thread while you're on hold.

:rolleyes: Take it easy. The reservations agent isn't reading this thread while you're on hold.


This is very true, I am trying to take my 11 year old sister to see our grandparents before they move into a home later this month. She is sitting on the sofa crying. So, its really important that I figure something out.

How about buying a ticket the legitimate way like any other person. Gheez, for all the energy and time you spend trying to scam the airlines, couldn't you put that same energy to good use and actually make something of yourself? The really ironic part is that people like you are the first to complain when something goes wrong and you feel like you aren't getting your "money" worth. It would be poetic justice for you to be left sitting at an airport because the planes are all full and you couldn't get on.

By the way, it's hard to feel sorry for someone like yourself, but I wish your grandparents the best - I'm sure THEY are good, honest people.

How about buying a ticket the legitimate way like any other person. Gheez, for all the energy and time you spend trying to scam the airlines, couldn't you put that same energy to good use and actually make something of yourself? The really ironic part is that people like you are the first to complain when something goes wrong and you feel like you aren't getting your "money" worth. It would be poetic justice for you to be left sitting at an airport because the planes are all full and you couldn't get on.

By the way, it's hard to feel sorry for someone like yourself, but I wish your grandparents the best - I'm sure THEY are good, honest people.


Let me address a few issues. First, i booked iClub award flights to go to PBI, I earned they in a 100% legit way. I thought i would be able to fly on DH because their notices were dated the 7th. I am paying the $50 free for my return. I did not book any flights with the intention of getting the refund and going standby, i brought it up more as a hypothetical then something I would actually do.

Let me address a few issues. First, i booked iClub award flights to go to PBI, I earned they in a 100% legit way. I thought i would be able to fly on DH because their notices were dated the 7th. I am paying the $50 free for my return. I did not book any flights with the intention of getting the refund and going standby, i brought it up more as a hypothetical then something I would actually do.


Whether you actually did it or not, you were very clear that you saw absolutely nothing wrong with doing it and thought it was a great idea. It was clear that you were seriously entertaining the idea, despite the very obvious quetionable ethical problems with the idea.

Whether you actually did it or not, you were very clear that you saw absolutely nothing wrong with doing it and thought it was a great idea. It was clear that you were seriously entertaining the idea, despite the very obvious quetionable ethical problems with the idea.

I got a PM from the guy saying that he didn't appreciate all the ... I gave him/he was getting over the 145 thing. I told him that "using" and "abusing" the 145 rule were completely different things.

In summary, you gotta be nuts to try to use 145 to your advantage. Get yourself out of a jam the day or two after (or even within a week) of a shutdown? Sure. TWO MONTHS after a shutdown? What are you nuts?

I see that he's already denying that he actually did anything. Let's just take that to mean that he's coming to realize that he's screwed. Not that he'll learn anything from it.

I see that he's already denying that he actually did anything. Let's just take that to mean that he's coming to realize that he's screwed. Not that he'll learn anything from it.

I am not screwed other than that I am out $100 so I can take my little sister to see our aging grandparents. I am an eighteen year-old college student, and this is a lot of money for me, she was crying when I told her I wasn't sure if we could go. I am using 145 in exactly the way it was intended to be used.

Furthermore, as for my talk about a 'deal of a lifetime' let me make something clear, I brought it up as more of a hypothetical, 'can one really do this?' Rather than a 'I am going to go do this.'

A majority of my travel is business related, but I work for a non-profit and do what I can to save them money.

I understand that it is hard to understand the tone of ones voice over text, so I want people to understand that I was not going to 'cheat' anyone or anything.

As for b6 accepting my ticket, they were very friendly about it and they should. They will start to pick up the DH routes later this month and I am sure I will fly them more now. This is their shot to pick up a major market segment.

Also, while all of you have ganged up on me has anyone wrote a letter to their senator or congressperson? I don't make the laws they do, if you feel the 145 isn't fair or should carry additional rules then talk to them.

am i missing something about 145
if you have some award dollars and to use them or lose them at the last minute
and taking the chance of not getting a flight on standby for $50

in what way is this dishonest
the dollars were his to use
or do i not see the big picture
thanks
i have never flown flyi
but wonted to
could not get the flights at the times i wonted
and long layovers
4+ hours
and with out the $39-89 price
chs -las

This is the very same website that has entire sections dedicated to letting other people know about fair errors such as the japan hotel thing or the dc hotel where it should of been $99 but was only $9. All of those situations were clearly made in error. Previously DH had a problem with there system where people were able to book free travel, no one told them it was 'unethical' to use it.


Whether you actually did it or not, you were very clear that you saw absolutely nothing wrong with doing it and thought it was a great idea. It was clear that you were seriously entertaining the idea, despite the very obvious quetionable ethical problems with the idea.

what is DH
if the offer is there use it

This is the very same website that has entire sections dedicated to letting other people know about fair errors such as the japan hotel thing or the dc hotel where it should of been $99 but was only $9. All of those situations were clearly made in error. Previously DH had a problem with there system where people were able to book free travel, no one told them it was 'unethical' to use it.

Who said I agree with those practices. I think they are almost as slimy as what you wanted to do, except what you wanted to do was take advantage of a practice clearly meant to help people in a bad situation. It's something like stealing money from the Salvation Army bell ringer at Christmas time as far as I'm concerned.

You are clearly taking this too far and really if all of you want to sit here and insult me go for it this board will only be here for another few days. However, if all of you can sit here and tell me you didn't even think about doing what I proposed your all lying to yourself. People on this website are always looking for the upper hand and the loophole.

Who said I agree with those practices. I think they are almost as slimy as what you wanted to do, except what you wanted to do was take advantage of a practice clearly meant to help people in a bad situation. It's something like stealing money from the Salvation Army bell ringer at Christmas time as far as I'm concerned.

You are clearly taking this too far and really if all of you want to sit here and insult me go for it this board will only be here for another few days. However, if all of you can sit here and tell me you didn't even think about doing what I proposed your all lying to yourself. People on this website are always looking for the upper hand and the loophole.
I didn't think about doing what you proposed. I'm not lying to myself. The 145 rule was created to help passengers that are stranded by an airline shutdown. You, by booking travel one day before a shutdown in order to take advantage of the rule, are clearly abusing that rule. If you can live with that, more power to you. But don't project your lack of ethics onto everyone else here.

This is very true, I am trying to take my 11 year old sister to see our grandparents before they move into a home later this month. She is sitting on the sofa crying. So, its really important that I figure something out.

How come your parents don't just buy a ticket?

Let me address a few issues. First, i booked iClub award flights to go to PBI, I earned they in a 100% legit way. I thought i would be able to fly on DH because their notices were dated the 7th. I am paying the $50 free for my return. I did not book any flights with the intention of getting the refund and going standby, i brought it up more as a hypothetical then something I would actually do.

Oh no you didn't. We had some lengthly exchanges where you appeared with all sincerety to believe that what you wanted to do was ethical, honest, above board, legal, or whatever other positive spin you wanted to put on it. In fact, you wanted to argue with everybody else about the possibility and legitimacy of what you were trying to do. You even called it the deal of a lifetime. After many posters, including myself, explained to you that it was far from the deal of a lifetime, you gave the impression that you felt we were clueless idiots. If you really were just asking about the possibility of that, you would have simply asked about the feasibility and not argued with us.

Furthermore, as for my talk about a 'deal of a lifetime' let me make something clear, I brought it up as more of a hypothetical, 'can one really do this?' Rather than a 'I am going to go do this.'


Well, if that's the case, I suggest you try extra hard in your writing classes, because the ideas you wished to convey and the impression with which you left the reader were very, very different.


Also, while all of you have ganged up on me has anyone wrote a letter to their senator or congressperson? I don't make the laws they do, if you feel the 145 isn't fair or should carry additional rules then talk to them.
Nope, because 145 on its face is just fine. We took exception with the way in which you wanted to apply it to your situation.

You are clearly taking this too far and really if all of you want to sit here and insult me go for it this board will only be here for another few days.
Actually, this board will be around for quite awhile. There's a section for defunct airline programs, I suspect that this will be moved there.


However, if all of you can sit here and tell me you didn't even think about doing what I proposed your all lying to yourself. People on this website are always looking for the upper hand and the loophole.
I didn't think about doing what you proposed. Okay, I did when you mentioned it, and then came to the conclusion that you'd be setting yourself up for lots of misery. You see, I have plenty of experience with standby travel, and it's not something I'll do unless 1) it's free or 2) I have alternate options of getting where I'm going, including other carriers.

This is the very same website that has entire sections dedicated to letting other people know about fair errors such as the japan hotel thing or the dc hotel where it should of been $99 but was only $9. All of those situations were clearly made in error. Previously DH had a problem with there system where people were able to book free travel, no one told them it was 'unethical' to use it.

"Fair" in this context is actually spelled "fare." I don't have much experience with other airlines, but NW specifically has an exception in their CoC that says that they don't intend to offer a fare with a "0" fare basis or "near 0" fare basis and that presumably they have the right to cancel any reservation with said fare.

The interesting thing is that Spirit was running a sale fare at $9 one way or something like that. NW would sell you a ticket LAX-DTW-DFW for $188 rt including taxes. That's over 6,000 miles. I'm at the point with my Plat status that it's actually worth flying those trips and spending a couple of thousand to get the miles for a WBC ticket to Europe. Heck, we just had a SBA-LAX-MSP-XNA rt for $164 with tax. I actually ticketed that and then subsequently cancelled for logistical reasons.

Finally, for the last two years, I have booked the Stratosphere Las Vegas for dirt cheap. Dec '04 I payed $19/night, including all taxes, and this year I paid $24/night including all taxes. Of course, both rates were actually advertised through the resaler that I bought them through, so I have a reasonable expectation that the hotel would honor them. Mistake fares? Getting a refund is all that should be expected.

After enough bashing of ClimbGuy, I'm going to come to his defense and say that I actually believe he intended to fly his award trip on FlyI and not exercise his 145 options. In retrospect however, it just occurred to me that with furlough notices dated the 7th, that FlyI would actually need a day to get the planes somewhere, and it would make sense that the last day of revenue operations would be two days before the furlough notice.

I can't say I blame the guy for trying to use the award. If NW went belly up today, I'd be stuck with 200,000 miles -- not a ton, but definitely enough for a RuleBuster WBC ticket to Europe.