Independence Air iClub - United Airlines makes bid for assets of Independence Air

Independence Air, which filed for bankruptcy protection last month, has received another bid for its assets -- this one, from its former longtime partner, United Airlines.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/22/AR2005122202319.html

Oh, good -- now flyI will exit BK.

Oh, wait - that's not quite right.

Or, as Emily Litella said, "Never mind."

looks like flyi got back where they started only with less cash and a stupider ceo :)

Something seems seriously wrong with a system that allows UA to pay 8cents on a dollar on money they owe FlyI that might keep them independent and in the air, but they can bid money to buy FlyI assets (my opinion, probably Terminal A at IAD) and most likely have them shut down and raise fares from WAS.....

Full disclosure - I love FlyI and dislike UA at best.... (and not an current/past employee of either)

looks like flyi got back where they started only with less cash and a stupider ceo :)

I don't think so! UA is not interested in having DH back in the fold and operate UX flights. From what I have read, UA is bidding for DH's gates. It looks like DH will cease to exist soon!

LAX

this is their final week. i look forward to seeing the greyhound terminal get bulldozed and return to flying out of A

return to flying out of A

Stolen from FlyI....

this is their final week. i look forward to seeing the greyhound terminal get bulldozed and return to flying out of A
I wish JetBlue would swoop in and grab the A Gates.

Concourse A is for regional jets. JetBlue doesn't fly regional jets.

Concourse A is for regional jets. JetBlue doesn't fly regional jets.


What about those dozens of E-190s they just picked up and are starting new routes on in a few weeks?

Concourse A is for regional jets. JetBlue doesn't fly regional jets.

Sure they do.

100 seat aircraft are not regional jets. Just because Embraer also makes RJs doesn't mean the 190 is an RJ.

Is the DC9 a regional jet?

Some people do consider the DC9 a regional jet. Embraer lumps the 190 in the same family as its other jets, so I would say it definitely qualifies.

Embraer does that to sell the plane.

The 190 is way too big for the A gates, which were not designed for 100 seat planes. Does jetBlue use a commuter terminal at JFK and BOS for the 190?

Embraer does that to sell the plane.

The 190 is way too big for the A gates, which were not designed for 100 seat planes. Does jetBlue use a commuter terminal at JFK and BOS for the 190?

There's no point in arguing back and forth on this, but I definitely feel you're in the minority as far as considering the 190 not a regional jet.

I took a quick peek at both jetBlue's and Embraer's websites- Embraer states how the 170/190 family 'blurs the line between regional jets and mainline jets', while referring to the 145 family as 'regional'. I can't find any place where jetBlue has called the 190 a regional jet.

There's no point in arguing back and forth on this, but I definitely feel you're in the minority as far as considering the 190 not a regional jet.

What's a regional jet? What's not a regional jet? What's regional?

I took a quick peek at both jetBlue's and Embraer's websites- Embraer states how the 170/190 family 'blurs the line between regional jets and mainline jets', while referring to the 145 family as 'regional'. I can't find any place where jetBlue has called the 190 a regional jet.

I'm almost positive that B6 told Embraer that the E190 is definitely NOT a regional jet, and they should remove all such references from their website. B6 being EMB's largest launch customer of the 190, I think they folded with no pressure at all.

But it begs the question I asked above? What's a regional jet? What's not a regional jet? In some senses, who cares?

There's no point in arguing back and forth on this, but I definitely feel you're in the minority as far as considering the 190 not a regional jet.

It's not a regional jet. ;)

Even if it was, it is to large to park at the A gates. The CRJs are even a tight fit...

What's a regional jet? What's not a regional jet? In some senses, who cares?
Beats me, I don't know who defines what a regional jet is, if it even really exists. Mike Boyd has taken to calling them small jets. But since I am the one who started this tangent using the good old industry (media?) jargon, let me rephrase my original point:
The A terminal at IAD was designed for smaller airplanes, ones with less than 50 seats. Fifty seat planes with jet engines don't fit particularly well at the A gates. Since jetBlue's smallest plane has 100 seats, I don't anticipate them bidding on the A gates.

Beats me, I don't know who defines what a regional jet is, if it even really exists. Mike Boyd has taken to calling them small jets. But since I am the one who started this tangent using the good old industry (media?) jargon, let me rephrase my original point:
The A terminal at IAD was designed for smaller airplanes, ones with less than 50 seats. Fifty seat planes with jet engines don't fit particularly well at the A gates. Since jetBlue's smallest plane has 100 seats, I don't anticipate them bidding on the A gates.

When the terminal was originally laid out, it was designed with twelve gates that had three parking spaces each -- A, B, and C. The north side had three "fingers" (12 sets of "gates") which had a total of 18 spots. The south side had the same. With the exceptions of the east most gates (gates 1 and 2) the C parking spots were designed for the CRJ and the A&B parking spots were designed for the J41. Before Dornier-Fairchild AND United went bankrupt, it was expected that the Fairchild Regional Jet would do a 1 for 1 replacement of the J41. The CRJ's had always fit well on the C gates, and could be made to fit rather easily on the A&B spots of gates 1 and 2.

But yeah, I agree, I don't see how B6 would find the A gates all that appealing. I think they could use SOME of it, but the layout is not a very efficient use of space for the 190's. However, I think you could get 24 E190's on the current layout with some minor preplanning. You could probably also just demolish the "finger" system altogether. Doable? Yeah. Appealing? No, unless they want the real estate and plan to do some major capital improvement projects.

P.S. When your airline flies from IAH to YYZ, from SNA-IAH-DCA, I fail to see how that is a regional airline being operated with regional jets.

looks like flyi got back where they started only with less cash and a stupider ceo :)
So here's a business model - we'll fly a bunch of RJ's which every business traveler hates, into business markets that no one really wants to go to (Lansing) 7 times a day and only charge $29 to a bunch of other markets that require government subsidies just to keep the airports open. Oh wait and we'll go head to head with the two 800 pound gorillas (AA&UA) just for giggles...Pass the doritos man and turn up the Jimmy Cliff. :D

Forget about the where....charging $29 just doesnt work when the price of jet fuel spikes...its as simple as that.