Cathay Pacific Asia Miles - JL to join OW: is CX cheering or crying?

Is the addition of JL to Oneworld good or bad for CX? It does instantly make NRT a Oneworld hub, with a lot of feed from AA. Presumably AA will market more via NRT than HKG. And all the China routes have the potential to bypass HKG as they develop. I suppose this will spur CX to invest more and get even better and try harder.

I think that CX must be supporting this seeing they are (in a small way) a sponsoring partner of their OW membership.

I can't see the benefits for them yet.... Maybe they want to expand more into parts of Asia only covered by JAL?

I do hope CX will build its own lounge, though, when they move to T2 next year. With JL making public its participation in oneworld, I hope BA and AY will also change their mind and move to T2.

The Wing and Pier will probably have lots more JL pax... I would also choose CX lounges in SIN and BKK over JL's facilities... CX lounges would get more crowded? :D

I hope JL will revamp its mileage earning classes for CX flights, though.

I hope JL will revamp its mileage earning classes for CX flights, though.


But hopefully not for AAdvantage! I think number_6 brings up a very interesting point. JL could siphon US-Asia traffic away from CX.

Now I hope JL joining OW will cause CX to revamp earning for coach fares in AAdvantage to be more generous.

JL could siphon US-Asia traffic away from CX.


I agree, given JL's much broader (than CX) access to the China market, which looks like the only market JL and NH are interested in expanding.

JL is already getting lots of business from AA flyers in the US. Even for flights to HKG. And even on deep discount JL tickets, one can get 70% AA miles compared to zero on CX.

With the close partnership between AA and JL, I don't see that much of difference whether JL is official member of oneworld or not in terms of fares/miles. Club access & ease of transfer at NRT may improve.

Of course if KA gets subsumed into CX, or even a more formal CX CA tie-up materialises, then JL's comparatively broader reach into China becomes negated.

I agree, given JL's much broader (than CX) access to the China market, which looks like the only market JL and NH are interested in expanding.

anyone from North America wouldn't take CX to go to Beijing
HKG is too out of the way to connect to China from the US/Canada.
i doubt JL joining OW would siphon much of china traffic ex-north america from CX.

anyone from North America wouldn't take CX to go to Beijing
HKG is too out of the way to connect to China from the US/Canada.
i doubt JL joining OW would siphon much of china traffic ex-north america from CX.

Now that you say this, I recall flight map data often show CX's HKG-SFO fly over Tokyo .... Extra Tokyo-HKG and HKG-Beijing to reach Beijing when you can fly via NRT...

I am very excited to see JL considering oneWorld. Now, you can fly AA/JL/CX on a transpacific award ticket, which uses less miles than just AA and CX becasue of oneworld's stingy rule that you need to fly two more more airlines where Cathay Pacific is not one of them.

Hmmm, on competitive routes won't Cathay easily win the passengers compared to JAL?

anyone from North America wouldn't take CX to go to Beijing
HKG is too out of the way to connect to China from the US/Canada.
i doubt JL joining OW would siphon much of china traffic ex-north america from CX.

I would.

Having recently flown both CX and JL FC, I think I would too.

From North America, JAL's association with AA and AAdvantage have already got a lot of travellers going their way. I would suspect that this news would have a bigger impact on Star Alliance and Skyteam (especially UA, NH and NW) than on CX for trafic originating in North America.

As for the rest of the world, I'm unsure what this will do to CX, if anything. Perhaps it will draw some outside of HK away from CA, MU and KA flights and onto JAL but I'm really not sure since if you're coming from the south or the west HKG is a better connection point into China anyway.

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Is the addition of JL to Oneworld good or bad for CX? It does instantly make NRT a Oneworld hub, with a lot of feed from AA. Presumably AA will market more via NRT than HKG. And all the China routes have the potential to bypass HKG as they develop. I suppose this will spur CX to invest more and get even better and try harder.

CX has done a miserable job or co-ordinatiing their 1 flight per day to/from NRT-TPE. AA has 5 afternoon from U.S. (ORD/JFK/LAX/SJC/DFW). With the time clock change, CX changes the flight so it misses all the AA flights from NRT. Maybe JAL is capable of doing AA co-ordination.

anyone from North America wouldn't take CX to go to Beijing
HKG is too out of the way to connect to China from the US/Canada.
i doubt JL joining OW would siphon much of china traffic ex-north america from CX.


I agree. I don't think the addition of JL in oneworld will affect CX traffic. I think it'll be the status quo. If you're flying to China from North America, of course it'll be more advantageous to connect through NRT. If you're flying from Europe or Australia, I think it'll be better to connect in HKG.

So I don't think there will be much of an impact. It's not like TG and SQ.

Oneworld desperately needs another partner in Asia in addition to CX. So JL is a welcome addition.

With China expanding, Oneworld could do with another partner that flies to more cities in China. Air China perhaps?

this is great news I cant wait

Is the addition of JL to Oneworld good or bad for CX? It does instantly make NRT a Oneworld hub, with a lot of feed from AA. Presumably AA will market more via NRT than HKG. And all the China routes have the potential to bypass HKG as they develop. I suppose this will spur CX to invest more and get even better and try harder.

With lack of CX flights into China the CX market in North America should shrink once JAL joins One World. The best counter would be push ahead to get CX flights HKG-PVG and HKG-TAO then press JAL for codeshares to NRT and KIX.

Ultimately CX should venture with an AA codeshare NRT to North America, or JAL NRT-YVR which would plug this leakage of CX pax to AA and JAL in North America, but quaere the ability of CX to think codeshare given their frightful lack of flights into China.

Ultimately CX should venture with an AA codeshare NRT to North America, or JAL NRT-YVR which would plug this leakage of CX pax to AA and JAL in North America, but quaere the ability of CX to think codeshare given their frightful lack of flights into China.

CX already flies non-stop HKG-YVR, and so I don't see any advantage for it to "push" forward a codeshare with JL between HKG-NRT so that folks can take JL onto YVR.

AA flies its own metal from NRT to DFW, SJC, LAX, and ORD. CX already has LAX covered by its 3x daily, and SFO and SJC are in the same area. For ORD and DFW, there are lots of flights on AA to these two cities from SFO/LAX, and so these two AA hubs are pretty covered as well.

Passengers who enjoy CX service will probably stick with the 11-12h transpac HKG-LAX/SFO and 4h domestic service on AA, versus the 4h HKG-NRT on CX and the remainig time on AA.

CX already flies non-stop HKG-YVR, and so I don't see any advantage for it to "push" forward a codeshare with JL between HKG-NRT so that folks can take JL onto YVR.

AA flies its own metal from NRT to DFW, SJC, LAX, and ORD. CX already has LAX covered by its 3x daily, and SFO and SJC are in the same area. For ORD and DFW, there are lots of flights on AA to these two cities from SFO/LAX, and so these two AA hubs are pretty covered as well.

Passengers who enjoy CX service will probably stick with the 11-12h transpac HKG-LAX/SFO and 4h domestic service on AA, versus the 4h HKG-NRT on CX and the remainig time on AA.

Once you fly CX in Business or First it is tough to fly AA over the pacific.
Same for JAL in ASIA.
I can not speak for JAL over the pacific.

Once you fly CX in Business or First it is tough to fly AA over the pacific.
Same for JAL in ASIA.
I can not speak for JAL over the pacific.

It's tough even to fly AA in coach over the Pacific once you've flown on either CX or JL.

JL C/F internationally can be spotty. It will depend on the aircraft and if it has the new configuration or not. Service is fine. Quick and effective but lacking the warmth that CX conveys. But still miles ahead over AA anytime.