US Airways Dividend Miles (Pre-2005 America West merger) - Any chance we'll see a big bird out west.

I know it probably won't happen, but can anyone see any circumstance where a big jet(most likely a 767) would be needed out west?

The 767 used to fly to LAX. With the increased transatlantic routes, these are no longer used for transcons.

I forget what the plans are for them when the seasonal routes end for the year.

Note: they are getting old and beat up.

Maybe a possible PHX of LAS route to Europe?? Then again if this were to happen it might not happen until the A350 comes into service. Just a guess.

There is a carve out in the transition agreements between the company and both ALPA (pilots' union) groups thusly:

The current and announced flying, as of the effective date of this
agreement, between points west of the Mississippi River and the
State of Hawaii will be flown by America West pilots. The current
and announced flying, as of the effective date of this agreement,
between points east of the Mississippi River and Europe or the
Caribbean will be flown by US Airways pilots. Notwithstanding
the above, up to two daily round trips to Europe, up to two daily
round trips to the Caribbean, and one daily round trip to Hawaii
may be flown by pilots of the other airline.

As there are rumors in SNN/DUB about going year round (currently seasonal), here is my bold prediction:

During the cold winter months when the Europe traffic is slow, we will see 1 or 2 of the ETOPS equipped 757s (with HP pilots at the helm) heading to Europe. We will see a 767 (with US pilots at the helm) headed to Hawaii.

I've been wrong before, but this makes all the sense in the world (which means the old US would not have done it, and Parker just might). I cannot imagine why else that carve out would have been in the ALPA transition agreement.

With any luck, you will see a 330. You don't really want to see the current US 767s. :eek:

There is a carve out in the transition agreements between the company and both ALPA (pilots' union) groups thusly:



As there are rumors in SNN/DUB about going year round (currently seasonal), here is my bold prediction:

During the cold winter months when the Europe traffic is slow, we will see 1 or 2 of the ETOPS equipped 757s (with HP pilots at the helm) heading to Europe. We will see a 767 (with US pilots at the helm) headed to Hawaii.

I've been wrong before, but this makes all the sense in the world (which means the old US would not have done it, and Parker just might). I cannot imagine why else that carve out would have been in the ALPA transition agreement.

With any luck, you will see a 330. You don't really want to see the current US 767s. :eek:


It would be nice to see year-round service to DUB/SNN from PHL, but I'm not sure I'd want to make that trip on a 757. The 767 was bad enough. Do the ETOPS 757's at least have good in-flight entertainment options?

. . . Do the ETOPS 757's at least have good in-flight entertainment options?

No -- they have the TV screens that pull down out of ceiling in the aisles.

I'll stick with AA's 767 to HNL out of LAX.

During the cold winter months when the Europe traffic is slow, we will see 1 or 2 of the ETOPS equipped 757s (with HP pilots at the helm) heading to Europe. We will see a 767 (with US pilots at the helm) headed to Hawaii.


perhaps the first. but no way on the second. Hawaii service is already expensive enough without adding a second fleet type to the mix there. looks like HP-ALPA outsmarted US-ALPA on that clause; maintains the appearance of fairness but no chance of actually happening.

It is my understanding that the gates at LAX and SFO that US currently uses can't fit an A330. Those are the only two cities I could imagine it going to, if ever, but since the current fleet of just 9 is comitted pretty well to Europe/Caribbean, it'll never happen.

perhaps the first. but no way on the second. Hawaii service is already expensive enough without adding a second fleet type to the mix there. looks like HP-ALPA outsmarted US-ALPA on that clause; maintains the appearance of fairness but no chance of actually happening.

How does adding a second fleet type (that's already ETOPS certified and in the fleet to begin with) change anything?

If anything you lower the unit cost (assuming a full boat to Hawaii, probably a safe bet) while adding significant belly revenue (cargo).

Now, whether it happens or not I don't know.

A350s to Asia from either LAS or PHX with LAS being more likely simply because of O&D

A350s to Asia from either LAS or PHX with LAS being more likely simply because of O&D


The HP dream of the early 1990s. Except with crusty old 742's. :cool:

757 may fly to Europe very soon. I know HP is talking to send ETOPS 757 to Europe.

How does adding a second fleet type (that's already ETOPS certified and in the fleet to begin with) change anything?



adding a second fleet type to the station significantly increases the costs of that station. doing so for a single flight a day isn't likely a winning proposition, full bird or no.

oh well, time will tell.

757 may fly to Europe very soon. I know HP is talking to send ETOPS 757 to Europe.


I think this is a new trend that we may see. CO has been very successful on its CLE-LGW and EWR-HAM routes, for example. The 757 is a perfect fit for lower-demand routes like these that would otherwise go unserved. Making PHL-SNN and PHL-DUB yearound with the 757 is a great idea. ^

It is my understanding that the gates at LAX and SFO that US currently uses can't fit an A330.

Correct. As soon as US moves out(which SFO hopes is soon), SFO will demolish that concourse since it blocks the use of some gates in the intl terminal.

A350s to Asia from either LAS or PHX with LAS being more likely simply because of O&D

HP would base that flight out of PHX-N4 where they can pull the most connecting traffic for such a risky venture. LAS only gets intl locations that have proven well out of PHX.

The HP dream of the early 1990s. Except with crusty old 742's.

How ironic.