Cathay Pacific Asia Miles - 4 X Daily Flights HKG-LHR!!!

Well it is not on BA but CX!
From 1 Dec 2005 CX will fly to HKG 4 times daily. The flights are now loaded for sale CX256/7!!!

This means more opportunity for U and Z Class awards for all Oneworld Members (hopefully) This might also mean that the JFK-LHR on CX might be 1 step closer

Well it is not on BA but CX!
From 1 Dec 2005 CX will fly to HKG 4 times daily. The flights are now loaded for sale CX256/7!!!

This means more opportunity for U and Z Class awards for all Oneworld Members (hopefully) This might also mean that the JFK-LHR on CX might be 1 step closer
It will be many many years before CX is allowd to fly from LHR to JFK. This is by treaty. Only BA and Virgin (UK carriers) and AA and UA can fly from/TO LHR from the U.S. There are some exceptions for 3rd country carries (like India) but Hong Kong does not qualify. There are may carriers in front of CX for the route authourty including all the other U.S. carriers (CO, NW, DL, HP, US) as wll as BM and all the EU carriers.

It will be many many years before CX is allowd to fly from LHR to JFK. This is by treaty. Only BA and Virgin (UK carriers) and AA and UA can fly from/TO LHR from the U.S. There are some exceptions for 3rd country carries (like India) but Hong Kong does not qualify. There are may carriers in front of CX for the route authourty including all the other U.S. carriers (CO, NW, DL, HP, US) as wll as BM and all the EU carriers.


What a pity! It is still unfair on CX giving VS and QF to fly LHR-HKG-SYD and CX got NOTHING out of this.

It will be many many years before CX is allowd to fly from LHR to JFK. This is by treaty. Only BA and Virgin (UK carriers) and AA and UA can fly from/TO LHR from the U.S. There are some exceptions for 3rd country carries (like India) but Hong Kong does not qualify. There are may carriers in front of CX for the route authourty including all the other U.S. carriers (CO, NW, DL, HP, US) as wll as BM and all the EU carriers.All of this is correct, but HKG has an open skies agreement with US and part of that is that CX can fly JFK-LHR if it wants to; US has commited to that in principal.
The UK government refused permission for LHR-JFK service until December 2003 when VS was given the right to fly LHR-HKG-SYD and in return CX was given LHR-JFK on the UK side (already had US permission in principle and should have been automatic due to treaty between HKG and US). But the EU-US negotiations are going badly and the US has refused to allow any new services until this negotiation starts going better. Effectively holding the CX filing for JFK-LHR service hostage to these unrelated issues. BA is of course quite pleased at this turn of events (probably all the carriers with existing routes are pleased to keep fresh competition out). So CX is a victim of bad timing rather than policy, despite qualifying every bit as much as Singapore for example.

All of this is correct, but HKG has an open skies agreement with US and part of that is that CX can fly JFK-LHR if it wants to; US has commited to that in principal.
The UK government refused permission for LHR-JFK service until December 2003 when VS was given the right to fly LHR-HKG-SYD and in return CX was given LHR-JFK on the UK side (already had US permission in principle and should have been automatic due to treaty between HKG and US). But the EU-US negotiations are going badly and the US has refused to allow any new services until this negotiation starts going better. Effectively holding the CX filing for JFK-LHR service hostage to these unrelated issues. BA is of course quite pleased at this turn of events (probably all the carriers with existing routes are pleased to keep fresh competition out). So CX is a victim of bad timing rather than policy, despite qualifying every bit as much as Singapore for example.


I am aware of open sky Hong Hong to U.S. That does not apply from LHR to U.S. even for CX.

CX does have the rights LHR-JFK. It is the slots they don't have

Sorry "Z"man but by this time next year there will be LHR - JFK flights on CX.

I am aware of open sky Hong Hong to U.S. That does not apply from LHR to U.S. even for CX..

Under the Hong Kong-US treaty, the US allowed Hong Kong carriers stopover rights in the UK enroute to the USA. I remember reading in another thread that the US government did not believe that the UK government would ever offer CX the right to fly across the Atlantic. But, as noted, CX was given the LHR-JFK rights in exchange for VS being allowed to fly HKG-SYD.

I am aware of open sky Hong Hong to U.S. That does not apply from LHR to U.S. even for CX.

The LHR <> USA restriction is only applicable to US and UK carriers. At this point, only AA, UA, BA, and VS can serve from LHR to US points. All foreign carriers with (1) fifth freedom rights to fly between the UK and US and (2) slots at LHR can choose to serve between LHR and US points.

My understanding is that the holdback at this point is the EU. The UK government has approved CX's flying from LHR to/from JFK, but the EU objects to any individual EU country's bilateral air agreements with other countries.

The LHR <> USA restriction is only applicable to US and UK carriers. At this point, only AA, UA, BA, and VS can serve from LHR to US points. All foreign carriers with (1) fifth freedom rights to fly between the UK and US and (2) slots at LHR can choose to serve between LHR and US points.

My understanding is that the holdback at this point is the EU. The UK government has approved CX's flying from LHR to/from JFK, but the EU objects to any individual EU country's bilateral air agreements with other countries.

Bermuda II only applies to US/UK airlines.