America West FlightFund (Pre-2005 US Airways merger) - Let's not emotions get in the way of looking at a HP/US merger

Let’s look at a merger rationally.

Parker has said that the airline industry needs consolidation and that HP will participate in this. HP is big in the west. US big in the east. US is about twice as large as HP and flys to 15 cities in Europe profitably.

Now US management and cost structure were in the pits and management floundered. Therefore the second bankruptcy, which was lead by financial people outside the industry. Along comes merger discussions that can allow HP to triple in size and give Parker what he knows he needs–i.e. a east coast presence and national footprint. Costs are still going down on US as senior employees leave and will continue throughout this year (over 1,000 senior flight attendants alone are leaving). Within the last couple of days, US has proposed parachutes for salaried employees to stay pending any merger (1200 are included that would be laid off)–additional savings. US in its second bankruptcy has been saying wants to adopt the HP model with simplified fares and labor contracts have already been based on HP’s contract.

To make a merger work Parker needs to keep both HP and US’s frequent flyers happy to get each to fly on the other. I would see the best of both programs being adopted CP and CP desk for 75,000 miles (let me tell you its always nice to have a phone answered, “How may I help you Mr. Abeflyer.”).

Parker from everything I have read is a people person with his troops. US hasn’t had that since the 80's. Just encouraging the troops and giving them a ray of hope should improve moral.

As to PHL, well, its actually been improving lately. Whoever is this month’s manager (frequent changes have happened there), seems to have gotten the troops to recognize that US planes do reach PHL on time and they have to be at the jetway when the planes park (instead of 15-20 minute waits, the jetway has started to move as soon as the plane stops recently).

The merger is actually a cheap way for Parker to build a national airline in his own vision and get into an alliance. Think how much it would cost in money and years forParker and HP to duplicate the US footprint. The finances on the US side are now mainly in order. Unsettling if it happens, yes, but they would be ahead of the UA and DL that have yet to confront their problems.

^ What you said abeflyer. However, I probably see the New US Airways having the 100k CP level. But like I said in another post. They will have many exceptions on the first year when the merger is complete. The exemptions desk will have their hands full and I think may of you who are at HP's top level will automatically be converted over to CP. The CP desk is a very nice perk to have.

I don't oppose this merger based upon emotion, though I can understand the feelings of many of the AWA employees. I have reservations because AWA is one of the few large (Over $2bln in sales) corporations we have based here in AZ and I'd like to see it survive. I've read many entries on the US board, it seems to be an airline chock full of crappy management and bitter employees. Even if Parker's team injects a fresh perspective, two (sometimes more) decades of animosity do not simply vanish overnight. It just boggles my mind that one of the most successful spawns of deregulation would want to saddle itself with this dinosaur. The combined company will be back in BK court within a few years, and will then likely be forced into the arms of one of the big boys on the cheap. There goes my hometown airline.

Woah! Not used to seeing you guys over here in the HP forum! :)

I agree completely. The merger should be viewed by HP as a major opportunity, and by US as a saving grace. HP will have the opportunity to substantially expand as a result of the merger (and acquire a name with more international appeal to it, but that is completely my OWN opinion and I don't mean to start another discussion on which airline has the better name!) and consolidate, which is desperately needed. I LOVE the idea of seeing the "America West" brand surviving as a regional carrier flying from LAS, PHX, and even LAX out west, as mentioned by FAN over in another thread. That would at least preserve the company's name- hopefully the regional airline would even fly some of the E170's, which are very nice planes.

I don't oppose this merger based upon emotion, though I can understand the feelings of many of the AWA employees. I have reservations because AWA is one of the few large (Over $2bln in sales) corporations we have based here in AZ and I'd like to see it survive. I've read many entries on the US board, it seems to be an airline chock full of crappy management and bitter employees. Even if Parker's team injects a fresh perspective, two (sometimes more) decades of animosity do not simply vanish overnight. It just boggles my mind that one of the most successful spawns of deregulation would want to saddle itself with this dinosaur. The combined company will be back in BK court within a few years, and will then likely be forced into the arms of one of the big boys on the cheap. There goes my hometown airline.


Remember, in all likelihood, the headquarters of the merged airline would be in Phoenix, not in CCY.

I'm not sure I understand the "decades" of animosity you mention. There used to be excellent morale in most US employees. The mid 90s were a great time for USAir, and even as recent as just before 9/11 employees weren't in the same mindset as they are now.

Remember, in all likelihood, the headquarters of the merged airline would be in Phoenix, not in CCY.

I'm not sure I understand the "decades" of animosity you mention. There used to be excellent morale in most US employees. The mid 90s were a great time for USAir, and even as recent as just before 9/11 employees weren't in the same mindset as they are now.


My ultimate point is the combined company may not survive. It won't matter where the HQ is at that point.

^ What you said abeflyer. However, I probably see the New US Airways having the 100k CP level. But like I said in another post. They will have many exceptions on the first year when the merger is complete. The exemptions desk will have their hands full and I think may of you who are at HP's top level will automatically be converted over to CP. The CP desk is a very nice perk to have.


I agree. Perhaps they will have some mercy and allow current HP Plats to keep the highest level for a year, but after that, they need to fly 100,000 miles per year to remain at that level. Of course, in the long-run, US CPs will benefit more than former HP Plats as we are used to having to fly at least 100,000 miles per calendar year.

I agree. Perhaps they will have some mercy and allow current HP Plats to keep the highest level for a year, but after that, they need to fly 100,000 miles per year to remain at that level. Of course, in the long-run, US CPs will benefit more than former HP Plats as we are used to having to fly at least 100,000 miles per calendar year.

I hope they don't. I hope they base it on how many miles you flew in the prior year OR your pace in the current year. To give all HP Plats the CP status would seriously degrate the benefits of that level and likely overwhelm the service system in place.

What I think would be fair: If you flew 100K+, you're obviously in. If you're a current HP Plat and on pace for that this year you're also in for the balance of the current year. They could take last year's numbers and say, perhaps, anyone over 87,500 (half-way between 75K and 100K) will also get upgraded to the CP status for the balance of this year.

Beyond that, they could set up a challenge system: Sign up and fly at the pace for 3 months and you'll get the status.

Given that it would take a while to combine the frequent flyer programs and re-allocate resources into the right areas, I think that just giving everyone at the current HP Plat level the CP status would be a big mistake, unless, by the time they get a deal done there are only a couple of months left in the year anyway, in which case it wouldn't matter a great deal.

I hope they don't. I hope they base it on how many miles you flew in the prior year OR your pace in the current year. To give all HP Plats the CP status would seriously degrate the benefits of that level and likely overwhelm the service system in place.


Good point AZ, but there's one intangible you're not taking factoring in...just how addictive being a CP is!

The CP desk rocks. Simple as that. Those men and women, our "angels", are the best in the business. Once a FF gets a taste of the personalized service CPs are afforded they never want to go back to being "only" gold, or any other level. A search on the US forum will bring up numerous instances of a CP being saved by the CP desk. For instance, on Tuesday I was heading out on a 10 day/4 city/3 carrier trip. I had difficulty checking in on AC, which after a call to the CP desk I realized was due to the fact that it was a paper ticket (which I hadn't yet received.) All I had to tell her was "I'm at the AC counter and they can't find my reservation" and she immediately spouted off my flight number, ticket number, the fact that it was a paper ticket, when and where it was mailed. I was instructed to head down to the US ticket counter (luckily in the same terminal) to fill out a lost ticket application while she called and gave them the heads up. The ticket agent, while very friendly, gave me completely different information than K* on the CP desk had. I was now told that I had to purchase a new ticket it I wanted to get on the plane! While my corporate travel desk wasn't too pleased with this, they went ahead and purchased the ticket.

As I'm sitting on the plane 20 minutes before departure my phone rings...it's K* from the CP desk: "Ms. shell nyc, are you on the plane?" When I confirm that yes, everything is ok, I made the flight she replies "The Newark desk was wrong. They should not have charged you for a new ticket. I'm so sorry. I went on a break and came back and saw what they did..." I replied that it was all ok, I'm on the plane, the agent gave me the forms to fill out and fix this later. "No, it's not ok. It was wrong, and it was a hassle, and you don't need that. I'm going to call revenue and see what we can do to fix this. I'm really sorry."

This is just one example of the kind of service US offers to it's CPs. This is why I will continue to fly them despite the dirty planes, deteriorating F service, closing of clubs, and all of the other things they are doing wrong right now. I believe that if they keep the highest elite tier at 100K/100 segs (and keep the CP desk), the comped HP Plats will find a way to fly the extra miles to requalify year after year. It really is worth it folks...

I hope they don't. I hope they base it on how many miles you flew in the prior year OR your pace in the current year. To give all HP Plats the CP status would seriously degrate the benefits of that level and likely overwhelm the service system in place.

What I think would be fair: If you flew 100K+, you're obviously in. If you're a current HP Plat and on pace for that this year you're also in for the balance of the current year. They could take last year's numbers and say, perhaps, anyone over 87,500 (half-way between 75K and 100K) will also get upgraded to the CP status for the balance of this year.

Beyond that, they could set up a challenge system: Sign up and fly at the pace for 3 months and you'll get the status.

Given that it would take a while to combine the frequent flyer programs and re-allocate resources into the right areas, I think that just giving everyone at the current HP Plat level the CP status would be a big mistake, unless, by the time they get a deal done there are only a couple of months left in the year anyway, in which case it wouldn't matter a great deal.


True, but US Airways is notorious for its studies of Chairman's Preferred members. They pretty much analyze who are the big spenders within the CP level. I have a feeling that US Airways is going to convince HP to only grant CP status to those who have either spent lots of money on the airline or have flown close to 100,000 miles. Of course, HP will most likely favor the idea thinking that former Plats will now have an incentive to spend more money to reach the new highest level.

Let’s look at a merger rationally.

Parker has said that the airline industry needs consolidation and that HP will participate in this. HP is big in the west. US big in the east. US is about twice as large as HP and flys to 15 cities in Europe profitably.

Now US management and cost structure were in the pits and management floundered. Therefore the second bankruptcy, which was lead by financial people outside the industry. Along comes merger discussions that can allow HP to triple in size and give Parker what he knows he needs–i.e. a east coast presence and national footprint. Costs are still going down on US as senior employees leave and will continue throughout this year (over 1,000 senior flight attendants alone are leaving). Within the last couple of days, US has proposed parachutes for salaried employees to stay pending any merger (1200 are included that would be laid off)–additional savings. US in its second bankruptcy has been saying wants to adopt the HP model with simplified fares and labor contracts have already been based on HP’s contract.

To make a merger work Parker needs to keep both HP and US’s frequent flyers happy to get each to fly on the other. I would see the best of both programs being adopted CP and CP desk for 75,000 miles (let me tell you its always nice to have a phone answered, “How may I help you Mr. Abeflyer.”).

Parker from everything I have read is a people person with his troops. US hasn’t had that since the 80's. Just encouraging the troops and giving them a ray of hope should improve moral.

As to PHL, well, its actually been improving lately. Whoever is this month’s manager (frequent changes have happened there), seems to have gotten the troops to recognize that US planes do reach PHL on time and they have to be at the jetway when the planes park (instead of 15-20 minute waits, the jetway has started to move as soon as the plane stops recently).

The merger is actually a cheap way for Parker to build a national airline in his own vision and get into an alliance. Think how much it would cost in money and years forParker and HP to duplicate the US footprint. The finances on the US side are now mainly in order. Unsettling if it happens, yes, but they would be ahead of the UA and DL that have yet to confront their problems.

nice in theory but, rationally, implementable?? the AFA and ALPA merger policies-- very strictly worded to measure seniority from original date of hire-- force giving US's labor almost totally dominant seniority rights systemwide in a merged operation. there's no way for HP to expand by buying US without effectively trashing its own employees.

as for US losing senior employees, at this stage at least it's of limited benefit-- the returning employees also have a ton of seniority and are high in the payscale. they're recalling voluntary-furloughed FA's with over 10 years in, this summer.

US's finances are anything but mainly in order. Their unit revenue is in complete free-fall with the new entrants hammering its previous fortresses-- down over 9% in the first quarter, much much worse than any other legacy carrier, and much much faster than any costs are falling. A merger wouldn't make those entrants less aggressive-- merely expose HP's assets and put at risk everything they've built these last few years.

US is a chinese fingertrap for HP-- attractive on the outside but only an impediment in the end.

the proof of the pudding will be in the cash of course-- the most recent estimate is several hundred million in further outside financing would be required to put this through, and that's presuming the agreement of shareholders and labor groups.

Many thanks to the power of the skies to be US 1 and HP Platinum - win/win ;)

Have to agree though - having transferred at least 75k of flying to HP -- The agents are cool and all, but the CP desk has taken the cake for the "feel good" service they give. I just got a call from one of my favorites last week (just for example, how many airlines can you say that with ??) - she's taking the buyout in August - low morale after 19 years ... too bad.







[QUOTE=shell nyc]Good point AZ, but there's one intangible you're not taking factoring in...just how addictive being a CP is!

The CP desk rocks. Simple as that.

Let's not emotions get in the way of looking at a HP/US merger

Considering the way that CCY has affected what we US folks have had to experience over the past year, is it not safe to say that with the rumored merger things are only looking up?

And yes, I think lots of us US folks are checking things out over here... where the grass is greener... and I would guess there's still glass up front? ;)

the AFA and ALPA merger policies-- very strictly worded to measure seniority from original date of hire-- force giving US's labor almost totally dominant seniority rights systemwide in a merged operation. there's no way for HP to expand by buying US without effectively trashing its own employees.


on the US boards it was pointed out that ALPA's policy was revised to be less strictly date-based.

meanwhile, the buzz is certainly growing that a deal is to be done.

on the US boards it was pointed out that ALPA's policy was revised to be less strictly date-based.

meanwhile, the buzz is certainly growing that a deal is to be done.


One thing I think people are forgetting, even though US Airways name is carrying forward, HP's management is the dominant player... Why merge two airlines and give the failing airline the reigns...

With regards to Flight Fund, I would not see HP moving to piss off it's happy customers (ie Platinums) to try and please it's already unhappy US AIR customers... There will be a transition period and I am sure it will not be a lose-win for anyone.... they want to keep and attract customers. Probably would start as code-shares... with 2 separate programs until they could integrate them...

One thing I think people are forgetting, even though US Airways name is carrying forward, HP's management is the dominant player... Why merge two airlines and give the failing airline the reigns...

With regards to Flight Fund, I would not see HP moving to piss off it's happy customers (ie Platinums) to try and please it's already unhappy US AIR customers... There will be a transition period and I am sure it will not be a lose-win for anyone.... they want to keep and attract customers. Probably would start as code-shares... with 2 separate programs until they could integrate them...


Incorrect. US Airways will demonstrate HP how the average CP brings more money than the average HP Plat. I can understand why so many HP Elites want to be optimistic, but the truth is, once the merger takes place, there are going to be by far more former US Airways Preferred members than HP Elites. Therefore, HP management is not going to want to upset the former US Preferreds simply because they will now be the majority of their flyers. Moreover, HP management will know that if they piss off former US Preferred members, most of them will ask other carriers to match their status.

Please let's not forget that US Airways is considerably larger than America West, and unquestionably, US Airways carriers more passengers per year than HP, which makes US Airways have more Elites. In other words, after the merger HP may have more control of the airline, but certainly not more control of the former US passengers. Also, I can assure you that United is going to try to steal as many US Preferred members as they can.

With the merger, the Flight Fund happy customers will constitute a minority. The numbers won't lie.

Ya know I have NEVER seen anyone in this forum with an attitude like 747 has. Who gives a flying flip if US is bigger than HP? Sure, they carry more passengers than HP...so what? It is ovbvious that HP is a much better run carrier as of right now and if the HP/US merger leaves you unhappy, go over to UA, I'm sure they could use your business right now.
I'm sure I speak for most of the HP supporters...leave the atttude at the TSA checkpoint.

From what I have read about HP mgmt, I'd have to say that they (unlike CCY) would not do anything to knowingly shoot themselves in the foot. I have a good feeling that if/when this actually happens that HP will do everything possible to keep all of the existing HP & US elites happy.

This merger forces all of the stakeholders to re-examine why we fly a particular airline and to decide if the new combined entity is an airline that we want to continue to fly.

Right now from where I'm sitting, the route structure looks good. US complements HP's existing structure. HP becomes a member of *, which is a big benefit to HP's elites.

I have no idea how they are going to intergrate any of the unions, FFP, or anything else, but if anyone can pull this thing off it is Parker and his team.

Whatever they decide to do with the FFP, I'm sure that there will be a transition period while everything is ironed out and during that time when we know all of the facts about the changes is when we need to evaluate if this new combined entity is one that we want to continue to fly.

Ya know I have NEVER seen anyone in this forum with an attitude like 747 has. Who gives a flying flip if US is bigger than HP? Sure, they carry more passengers than HP...so what? It is ovbvious that HP is a much better run carrier as of right now and if the HP/US merger leaves you unhappy, go over to UA, I'm sure they could use your business right now.
I'm sure I speak for most of the HP supporters...leave the atttude at the TSA checkpoint.


You may want to think a bit more about before you write on this forum. US Airways has the most extensive network in the East Coast, if they merge with HP, do you mean to tell me that the typical HP Plat based in PHX or LAS is going to start flying routes such as PHL - ITH, PHL - BOS when his/her business requires him/her to fly say PHX - MIA?? I hate to break it to you, but the merged airline is going to have a large majority of customers based in the East Coast. Of course the majority of people on these East Coast flights are going to be from the East Coast. Whether you like it or not, the new airline is going to have a lot more East Coast customers.

You may want to think a bit more about before you write on this forum. US Airways has the most extensive network in the East Coast, if they merge with HP, do you mean to tell me that the typical HP Plat based in PHX or LAS is going to start flying routes such as PHL - ITH, PHL - BOS when his/her business requires him/her to fly say PHX - MIA?? I hate to break it to you, but the merged airline is going to have a large majority of customers based in the East Coast. Of course the majority of people on these East Coast flights are going to be from the East Coast. Whether you like it or not, the new airline is going to have a lot more East Coast customers.

I think that's obvious.....but what's your point?

You may want to think a bit more about before you write on this forum. US Airways has the most extensive network in the East Coast, if they merge with HP, do you mean to tell me that the typical HP Plat based in PHX or LAS is going to start flying routes such as PHL - ITH, PHL - BOS when his/her business requires him/her to fly say PHX - MIA?? I hate to break it to you, but the merged airline is going to have a large majority of customers based in the East Coast. Of course the majority of people on these East Coast flights are going to be from the East Coast. Whether you like it or not, the new airline is going to have a lot more East Coast customers.

HUH?? Did you even READ what I worte? What does this have to do with anything I said?

You may want to think a bit more about before you write on this forum. US Airways has the most extensive network in the East Coast, if they merge with HP, do you mean to tell me that the typical HP Plat based in PHX or LAS is going to start flying routes such as PHL - ITH, PHL - BOS when his/her business requires him/her to fly say PHX - MIA?? I hate to break it to you, but the merged airline is going to have a large majority of customers based in the East Coast. Of course the majority of people on these East Coast flights are going to be from the East Coast. Whether you like it or not, the new airline is going to have a lot more East Coast customers.


You fail to take into consideration that this combined airline will want to make ALL customers happy. I do not see them kicking their existing HP elites to the curb when they fly 40-50% of the flights out of PHX. They are going to keep it status quo until they can merge things together. I think this year, we will only see pluses for the existing members.. next year, I would see the move to more commonality. I do not disagree that they will need to keep the US elites happy.. but they will want to keep and expand customers.. not lose any.

I think that's obvious.....but what's your point?

There was no point.

I'm looking forward to HP management that can hopefully come up with a viable strategy. US has been drifting from disaster to disaster (UA merger hopes, MetroJet, Ft Lauderdale as a Latin A. hub, upsetting FF with reconfiguring the 757's, removing hot meals and glassware, closing 25% of the clubs, replacing mainline aircraft with RJs, and the list goes on and on etc...)

Since HP execs will be in charge (one has to assume, I can't imagine anything but), HPs will have the upper hand in how things will turn out.

Plats shouldn't worry - with the expanded route structure they'll have no problem getting top tier. US was worried about butting heads with all the UA 1Ks - but it turned out to be a false alarm.

There was no point.


There was, unfortunately, you just did not get it.

I'm looking forward to HP management that can hopefully come up with a viable strategy. US has been drifting from disaster to disaster (UA merger hopes, MetroJet, Ft Lauderdale as a Latin A. hub, upsetting FF with reconfiguring the 757's, removing hot meals and glassware, closing 25% of the clubs, replacing mainline aircraft with RJs, and the list goes on and on etc...)

Since HP execs will be in charge (one has to assume, I can't imagine anything but), HPs will have the upper hand in how things will turn out.

Plats shouldn't worry - with the expanded route structure they'll have no problem getting top tier. US was worried about butting heads with all the UA 1Ks - but it turned out to be a false alarm.


HP Plats may be save for the first year, but they better fly 100,000 miles the next year or their top status will be gone. Do you actually think that HP and US are going to want to give away free transatlantic upgrade coupons to many top-level elites? Please...

HP Plats may be save for the first year, but they better fly 100,000 miles the next year or their top status will be gone. Do you actually think that HP and US are going to want to give away free transatlantic upgrade coupons to many top-level elites? Please...
I'm sorry but have you heard what the new rules are going to be? Are you in on some super secret meetings of which no one is aware, or did you apply for the job of FF Overlord? No one knows what it's going to be going forward if there is a merger. Perhaps they keep it at 75K and don't have transatlantic upgrade coupons (GASP). Everything is purely speculative at this point in time so please don't act as if you KNOW what is going to happen. You may end up being right when all is said and done but no one knows for sure...Heck I'm sure those running FF & DM don't even know all the particulars yet.

Lance

There was, unfortunately, you just did not get it.

I doubt you did either.

I'm sorry but have you heard what the new rules are going to be? Are you in on some super secret meetings of which no one is aware, or did you apply for the job of FF Overlord?

You didn't hear? His super uber-elite CP card get's him into all the merger negotiations. It also get's him access to the executive washrooms at the Crystal palace. :rolleyes:

You didn't hear? His super uber-elite CP card get's him into all the merger negotiations. It also get's him access to the executive washrooms at the Crystal palace. :rolleyes:
Nah I'm just a lowly HP Plat. I don't get to know everything :)

Remember, in all likelihood, the headquarters of the merged airline would be in Phoenix, not in CCY.

I'm not sure I understand the "decades" of animosity you mention. There used to be excellent morale in most US employees. The mid 90s were a great time for USAir, and even as recent as just before 9/11 employees weren't in the same mindset as they are now.

Well, Tempe, actually.

And, America West flyers? Welcome to US Airways. We're happy you're aboard.

Well, Tempe, actually.

And, America West flyers? Welcome to US Airways. We're happy you're aboard.

It's actually the other way around. :p

I'm sorry but have you heard what the new rules are going to be? Are you in on some super secret meetings of which no one is aware, or did you apply for the job of FF Overlord? No one knows what it's going to be going forward if there is a merger. Perhaps they keep it at 75K and don't have transatlantic upgrade coupons (GASP). Everything is purely speculative at this point in time so please don't act as if you KNOW what is going to happen. You may end up being right when all is said and done but no one knows for sure...Heck I'm sure those running FF & DM don't even know all the particulars yet.

Lance


For starters, I was right regarding the name of the merged airline. It is now official, they are keeping the US Airways name.

As I mentioned before, the US DM program is already set up to accomodate Star Alliance requirements. Again, I'm not going to waste my time arguing this, just give it some time. FlightFund will become Dividend Miles.

In effect, the new airline will be administered by HP executives, but many old things, e.g. the name and frequent flyer program will still be pretty much US Airways.

It's actually the other way around. :p


Yes you know so much that you anticipated that US Airways would lose its name when it is actually America West the one losing its name. LOL

For starters, I was right regarding the name of the merged airline. It is now official, they are keeping the US Airways name.
Actually I never said it would remain flight fund, or really what would happen. I believe you were the one that stated that the HP Plats would lose out and we'd be bumped to lowly gold while you CPs thumbed your noses at us. I merely stated you don't know what is going to happen with DM/FF as far as what miles the plat/cp tier will require. I don't care if they call it Some Airlines Frequent Flier Program as long as the benefits are good. FF/DM whatever works for me. Everyone pretty much knew it was gonna be US Airways because of the first "announcement". But anyways...whatever they call the new program, I'm really not sure I'd get much use of the CP desk anyway but i'll make the 100K requirement you have set forth either way.

Lance

I'm shocked that WebFlyer has allowed this person to continue to post given his personal attacks.

Makes me wonder if a savvy US Air Flier (or employee) will take a few minutes to confirm his ID and make life difficult for him.

I've flown US Air in the past year, as well as many other airlines. Can't say that I was impressed positively or negative. Guess we will have to see how this works out. My favorite AWA benefit is the 85% upgrades to FC.

I have a personal admin that does everything the CP desk provides, so that's no bonus to me. Funny, perhaps this is where F747F feels his "all knowing, all powerful presence" is based. ROTFLMAO! Just because somebody shleps bags 100,000 miles+ per year on a public airline doesn't make them instantly important...... perhaps in their own mind. :rolleyes:

Gee I get to fly our Gulfstream V 4-5 times per year, perhaps that makes me the "Omniscient Flier of All Time?" Can I personally bash people that don't agree with me and still be provided posting privileges here? :D

I'm shocked that WebFlyer has allowed this person to continue to post given his personal attacks.


I'm so glad this went through. Maybe you guys can keep him busy here and out of the US forum for awhile.

Hint: Ignore poster button works very well :D

I'm so glad this went through. Maybe you guys can keep him busy here and out of the US forum for awhile.

Hint: Ignore poster button works very well :D
Thanks for the reminder :)

Bob

What does any body think will happen to the Northwest partnership
with HP espicially the club room access?

I suppose it was predictable that emotions would get in the way of a thread titled, "let's not emotions get in the way."

Children, enough is enough. I'm closing this thread because it is serving no useful purpose and just seems to have turned into a playground for the childish behavior above.

Should this nonsense carry over into other threads, the next step will be putting individuals on formal time outs for some period of time. Please don't make me. . .

AZ
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