JetBlue TrueBlue - Will Jetblue come to ABQ? Please Reply

I know it probably isn't the most popular root, but right now there is no competition into NYC or any of the big JetBlue Destinations. Does anyone think maybe with the E190's? I know that Dave Neilman has a home in Santa Fe so who knows right? ;)

Please give your feedback.

Correction: Route, not root. I also meant to say that there is no competition from ABQ to JFK (or all of NYC at that matter) as well as there most other destinations.

I know it probably isn't the most popular root, but right now there is no competition into NYC or any of the big JetBlue Destinations. Does anyone think maybe with the E190's? I know that Dave Neilman has a home in Santa Fe so who knows right? ;)

Please give your feedback.

The E190 would not be able to fly to ABQ (from NY). I doubt that it is very high up on their list right now, but who really knows with Jetblue.

I'm no expert here, but ABQ doesn't seem like a hot airport...doesn't WN already fly from ABQ, and major airlines to their hubs? Is there a large business (or vacation/high-class) market that will drive demand?

I thought CO started a non-stop service ABQ-EWR or did they discontinue that?

I wouldn't expect service from NYC but possibly from LGB with the E190's would make sense. However, with the dominance of WN in ABQ, I wouldn't put it first on the list...

Just my .02



I know it probably isn't the most popular root, but right now there is no competition into NYC or any of the big JetBlue Destinations. Does anyone think maybe with the E190's? I know that Dave Neilman has a home in Santa Fe so who knows right? ;)

Please give your feedback.

Here's hoping they do come to ABQ. We would gladly fly SW from TUS or drive to ABQ to fly JetBlue to RIC (hope they land there soon) or SYR. As for the comment made about a perceived lack of activity at ABQ, I do not know what was the basis for that comment. The ABQ Airport - by the way, the most pleasant airport I have ever used - has always been quite busy whenever we have used it.

Here's hoping they do come to ABQ. We would gladly fly SW from TUS or drive to ABQ to fly JetBlue to RIC (hope they land there soon) or SYR. As for the comment made about a perceived lack of activity at ABQ, I do not know what was the basis for that comment. The ABQ Airport - by the way, the most pleasant airport I have ever used - has always been quite busy whenever we have used it.

Thank You for the great comments about my home airport. I agree, everytime I have ever flown out of ABQ (usually once to twice a month) all the flights are 70% to 130%(Airlines overbook regularly at ABQ) full. I think JetBlue could be quite profitable at ABQ.

On the comment about an E190 not able to make it from JFK to ABQ here is what I found out. JFK to ABQ is 1582 nautical miles and the range of the E190 is 2,200 nm. One of us is must be missing something prhs1989.


On a side note CO was starting ABQ to EWR but only seasonal, and its Saturday only service for a couple months, and then only on select days throughout the week. Really not that convinient.


More comments will be appreciated. ^

I was just in ABQ last weekend for the first time. I was quite impressed with the airport. The airport was clean and modern, and I really enjoyed the New Mexico restaurant at the observation area. I wasn't impressed with the city; a website that claimed ABQ was "Boise without all the excitement" seemed to be an apt description :).

Anyway, the airport seemed to be dominated by WN 737's and other carrier's RJs. Most non-WN flights seemed to be to the legacy carrier's western and Texas hub airports. I saw very few flights to eastern and midwest cities, though there are a few.

I can't see ABQ supporting JetBlue transcons to JFK. ABQ is a comparatively tiny city, with a metro population of about .75 million. I don't think JetBlue has long haul flights to cities that size. RSW is the only city as small with long flights, but that's an atypical market due to the northeasterners retiring in SW Florida. Flights from ABQ to Long Beach might be possible, though there would be a lot of competition on flights from ABQ to So. Cal. If JetBlue established an additional hub in the midwest or west, ABQ might be a city to add.

The airport was clean and modern, and I really enjoyed the New Mexico restaurant at the observation area. I wasn't impressed with the city; a website that claimed ABQ was "Boise without all the excitement" seemed to be an apt description

I don't know where you heard the Boise comment but I appreciate you enjoyed are aiport. You probably were not impressed with the city because you probably stayed in a crummy part of the city. The "richer" part of the city unfourtunatly does not have as many hotels.

I can't see ABQ supporting JetBlue transcons to JFK. ABQ is a comparatively tiny city, with a metro population of about .75 million.

Actually the Metro (including Rio Rancho) is over a million.

Is there a large business (or vacation/high-class) market that will drive demand?

Well here is the thing about ABQ it covers a large area because it is New Mexico's only real passenger airport. Albuquerque is some what of a hot spot because we have very Unique "New" Mexican food and the worlds largest Ballon Fiesta, but Albuquerque is not much to brag about. But ABQ also covers Santa Fe, and Taos which are huge high class vacation hotspots.


I wouldn't expect service from NYC but possibly from LGB with the E190's would make sense. However, with the dominance of WN in ABQ, I wouldn't put it first on the list...

I can agree with that, but however Dave Neelman has a house in Santa Fe, so who knows what could be coming.



Thank You for all the feedback, and I hope more feedback is coming.

I don't know where you heard the Boise comment but I appreciate you enjoyed are aiport. You probably were not impressed with the city because you probably stayed in a crummy part of the city. The "richer" part of the city unfourtunatly does not have as many hotels.

I was at the Hyatt at Tijeras and Third Street. The whole town seem to shut down at 8pm, even on the weekend. The view from Tramway overlooking the city was quite nice during the day. The city didn't strike me as crummy as much as it did very dull.

Actually the Metro (including Rio Rancho) is over a million.

The 2000 Census shows (http://www.abq.org/regional/overview.html) the metro population, specifically including Rio Rancho and Sandoval County, to be 712,730. This is smaller, by comparison, than the metro population of Tucson, and I don't think anyone expects Tucson to have nonstop transcon flights.

Well here is the thing about ABQ it covers a large area because it is New Mexico's only real passenger airport. Albuquerque is some what of a hot spot because we have very Unique "New" Mexican food and the worlds largest Ballon Fiesta, but Albuquerque is not much to brag about. But ABQ also covers Santa Fe, and Taos which are huge high class vacation hotspots.

They are certainly nice vacation spots, but wouldn't draw enough East Coast visitors to warrant nonstop transcons from New York. To warrant the flights, a city has to have a large critical mass population (e.g., PHX, DFW) and/or be a major national or international tourist destination with several million visitors per year (e.g., LAS, MCO). I don't think ABQ has either and will be aptly served by regional flights to all legacy hubs within a 1,000 mile or so radius and to many WN cities.

I was at the Hyatt at Tijeras and Third Street. The whole town seem to shut down at 8pm, even on the weekend. The view from Tramway overlooking the city was quite nice during the day. The city didn't strike me as crummy as much as it did very dull.

My point exactly, it is in Downtown. Not much really happens there. For the hip nightlife you have to go by the Campus (UNM). But even that doesn't hold the best part of town. The best part of town is in the Northeast Heights, but oh well.

The 2000 Census shows the metro population, specifically including Rio Rancho and Sandoval County, to be 712,730. This is smaller, by comparison, than the metro population of Tucson, and I don't think anyone expects Tucson to have nonstop transcon flights.

That was how many people we had in 2000 but it is 2005.

will be aptly served by regional flights to all legacy hubs within a 1,000 mile or so radius and to many WN cities.

Well actually that is not true. Because CO serves us to EWR -seasonal, and CLE-seasonal and IAH--which is regional. United serves to ORD, DEN, and SFO (ORD and SFO aren't exactly regional). Delta serves us to SLC, ATL, CVG--the latter aren't exactly regional. So I don't think I must continue. We can carry flights with SWA so why can't we carry transcon flights with another airline. Please explane to me your reasoning on these comments.



More comments are appreciated.

That was how many people we had in 2000 but it is 2005.

The metropolitan population increased 40% in five years?

Well actually that is not true. Because CO serves us to EWR -seasonal, and CLE-seasonal and IAH--which is regional. United serves to ORD, DEN, and SFO (ORD and SFO aren't exactly regional). Delta serves us to SLC, ATL, CVG--the latter aren't exactly regional. So I don't think I must continue. We can carry flights with SWA so why can't we carry transcon flights with another airline. Please explane to me your reasoning on these comments.

Sure. All of these are legacy carriers with service to multiple stops from ABQ. CO couldn't justify year round service to the NYC area, so CO serves ABQ primarily via IAH. There is a difference between a legacy carrier serving a city primarily through closer hubs and buffering that service with flights to larger hubs farther away than an LCC strictly serving a city to one hub very far away. In other words, if I'm flying, say, ABQ to CVG, I could take one of the limited number of DL nonstops but would have the option of taking one of multiple flights through SLC if the my schedule didn't allow the nonstop or if I missed my flight or something. If B6 began nonstops to JFK, there would be probably one or two initial flights per day. If my schedule didn't coincide with B6's flight schedule, I'd have to choose another airline, and would have no alternative flights on B6 through other hubs. The critical mass isn't there to support the limited number who would fly the route, especially when scheduling issues and the like would encourage pax to fly other carriers.

ABQ fits very nicely in WN's model and WN serves multiple cities, thus carrying over half the traffic in and out of ABQ. I can't see ABQ fitting in with B6's model of primarily vertical East Coast traffic and West Coast to Northeast traffic. ABQ is much smaller than any Western city served by B6 to JFK. The next smallest is SLC, whose metro area has nearly twice that of ABQ. They have one flight a day betwen SLC and JFK, and the eastbound is a red eye.

According to the DOT Q1 2004 report, only 245 people travel between ABQ and NYC daily each way. Thus I do not see a carrier adding nonstop service.

The metropolitan population increased 40% in five years?

Actually you would be surprised, but probably not 40% you are right. I might have gotten out of hand, but the area ABQ serves including Santa Fe, Taos, and Durango(at least Southwest thinks so) , Belen, Los Lunas, Grants, Gallup. Los Alamos, etc is well over a million.

Sure. All of these are legacy carriers with service to multiple stops from ABQ. CO couldn't justify year round service to the NYC area, so CO serves ABQ primarily via IAH. There is a difference between a legacy carrier serving a city primarily through closer hubs and buffering that service with flights to larger hubs farther away than an LCC strictly serving a city to one hub very far away. In other words, if I'm flying, say, ABQ to CVG, I could take one of the limited number of DL nonstops but would have the option of taking one of multiple flights through SLC if the my schedule didn't allow the nonstop or if I missed my flight or something. If B6 began nonstops to JFK, there would be probably one or two initial flights per day. If my schedule didn't coincide with B6's flight schedule, I'd have to choose another airline, and would have no alternative flights on B6 through other hubs. The critical mass isn't there to support the limited number who would fly the route, especially when scheduling issues and the like would encourage pax to fly other carriers.

I can agree with that. We do have very few of the longer flights, but we do.

FWIW, about 1.75 million people are estimated to reside within about a one hour drive from the SLC airport (using 2003 Census Bureau estimates for the Salt Lake City/Ogden/Clearfield Consolidated Statistical Area and the Provo/Orem Metropolitan Statistical Area).

I suspect that JetBlue also gets at least some pax on its flight from SLC to NYC from DL and WN pax flying in from surrounding states, and then interlining to JetBlue.

The Census Bureau 2003 estimate for the ENTIRE state of New Mexico is 1.8 million. Utah's statewide population in 2003 was estimated at 2.3 million.

FWIW, about 1.75 million people are estimated to reside within about a one hour drive from the SLC airport (using 2003 Census Bureau estimates for the Salt Lake City/Ogden/Clearfield Consolidated Statistical Area and the Provo/Orem Metropolitan Statistical Area).

I suspect that JetBlue also gets at least some pax on its flight from SLC to NYC from DL and WN pax flying in from surrounding states, and then interlining to JetBlue.

The Census Bureau 2003 estimate for the ENTIRE state of New Mexico is 1.8 million. Utah's statewide population in 2003 was estimated at 2.3 million.

Sorry if you have the wrong impression but this thread is not trying to take away service form SLC and give service to ABQ so get off your high horse about Salt Lake City. Yes it is true Utah is bigger than New Mexico, what does that have anything to do with JetBlue considering ABQ for a future destination when they have there E190???

Not to sound like an A-hole but SLC has more than one carrier who serves the NYC area, where as ABQ really does not have one steady carrier. So if JetBlue were to come a long and offer NYC service nonstop the 245 or what ever would probably favor a non-stop--hence why WN is the most dominant carrier in ABQ. I think that ABQ could handle 100 passengers each way with out problem. I am not saying why don't they, I am saying maybe they should consider serving ABQ. Though it may be true that the Long Beech hub would probably suite ABQ better than NYC, WN has LAX wrapped up with three non-stops to ABQ. Thanks. More comments are appreciated!

Is there a precedent for a carrier to add a new city which it only serves with one long-haul R/T per day? The closest thing to it that I'm aware of is how Allegiant Air works, though their business plan is very different from B6's, and they tend to get incentives from local governments to add the service.

The E-190 holds 100 people. How could one flight per day each way, on a small plane, justify the cost of gates, local employees and other costs at ABQ? The 245 people who fly wouldn't all fly B6. Scheduling would probably be the biggest obstacle. If the eastbound flight were a red-eye, as would be expected, a lot of people would automatically avoid it. Frequent fliers with established mileage accounts on other carriers would tend to fly their carriers of choice before B6, especially if they are used to getting upgrades. I think the would add SAT, DFW, HOU/IAH, AUS, MCI, and maybe even ELP before even considering to add ABQ, under their current model.

I aplogize for giving the impression that I was trying to do anything other than just present some stats. lvfs had categorized SLC as being about twice as large as Albuquerque, and I looked up the stats online to see if he was correct (he was), and since I went to all of that work, I thought I might as well post the numbers, so that if anyone else out there was interested in the numbers, they would not have to recreate my research.

When JetBlue began service to Salt Lake City, the company officials made it clear that the main reason why they were doing so was because of employee demand -- JetBlue's main reservations call center is in Salt Lake City. I believe that JetBlue is making a profit with its flights out of Salt Lake City, but I also believe that the company thinks it would make even bigger profits if the aircraft used for the NYC redeye was instead used to provide redeye service from some other city to NYC. So what I am getting at is that if JetBlue finds SLC (a major hub airport) to be only a marginally productive use for its aircraft, it is not likely to find the Albuquerque market to be a productive use of even its smaller planes -- at least not until after they have picked lower-hanging fruit. Hence, I do not expect JetBlue to serve Albuqerque any time soon. Sorry. Don't take it personally.

More comments are appreciated!

I like how you have not commented on the fact I threw out there. The point is with so few people flying the route what incentive does any carrier to start a station up for one flight? I can appreciate the fact that you want nonstop service to New York but it is not going to happen.

I like how you have not commented on the fact I threw out there. The point is with so few people flying the route what incentive does any carrier to start a station up for one flight? I can appreciate the fact that you want nonstop service to New York but it is not going to happen.

Continental flies seasonal, daily non-stop service between Newark and ABQ.

Though non-stop jetBlue service on JFK-ABQ is not going to happen. And LGB-ABQ isn't happening either because of slot restrictions.

Though non-stop jetBlue service on JFK-ABQ is not going to happen. And LGB-ABQ isn't happening either because of slot restrictions.
Though What? Usually when you use the word "though" you follow up with something. For example: Though non-stop jetblue...either because of slot restrictions, another carrier might consider this.





s there a precedent for a carrier to add a new city which it only serves with one long-haul R/T per day? The closest thing to it that I'm aware of is how Allegiant Air works, though their business plan is very different from B6's, and they tend to get incentives from local governments to add the service.

Does Pheonix not have one flight a day to JFK with Jetblue????


According to the DOT Q1 2004 report, only 245 people travel between ABQ and NYC daily each way. Thus I do not see a carrier adding nonstop service.

JFK is a hub for more than plenty airlines. People whould fly JetBlue to get to JFK not necessarily to New York as a final destination.


Here's hoping they do come to ABQ. We would gladly fly SW from TUS or drive to ABQ to fly JetBlue to RIC (hope they land there soon) or SYR. As for the comment made about a perceived lack of activity at ABQ, I do not know what was the basis for that comment. The ABQ Airport - by the way, the most pleasant airport I have ever used - has always been quite busy whenever we have used it.

This also proves that people who aren't in the Airports area might actually use the service. BTW, thanx for the great comments TusconDave.

Does Pheonix not have one flight a day to JFK with Jetblue????

Yes, in a puzzling move, as discussed here (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336608&page=1) . Metro PHX has over four times the population of metro ABQ, as well as a much larger corporate base. There are probably more than four times the 245 people traveling from PHX to NY each day. This is no indicator that ABQ might be primed for B6 service.

JFK is a hub for more than plenty airlines. People whould fly JetBlue to get to JFK not necessarily to New York as a final destination.

JetBlue, to my knowledge, doesn't codeshare with any other carrier, so JFK being a hub for other carriers wouldn't be of benefit. JFK isn't really a centrally located hub for travelers from the Southwest. There might be a benefit to international travelers, as JFK is a major gateway airport.

Without a launched hub closer to ABQ, B6 would likely have ABQ down on their list of new cities to launch. If ABQ would get a new carrier, IMO, it would likely be AirTran with service to DFW, if they beef up their presence there.

IWhen JetBlue began service to Salt Lake City, the company officials made it clear that the main reason why they were doing so was because of employee demand -- JetBlue's main reservations call center is in Salt Lake City

Don't JetBlue reservations agents actually take calls from their homes, rather than there being a centralized call center in SLC?

It is my understanding that most JetBlue reservations agents do work out of their Salt Lake City homes. However, JetBlue also operates a reservations center in Salt Lake City where the reservations agents are trained and supervised. I believe that some agents also work out of the reservations center.
http://www.edcutah.org/PDF/Publications/Call%20Center%20Industry%20List%20061504.pdf

JFK is a hub for more than plenty airlines. People whould fly JetBlue to get to JFK not necessarily to New York as a final destination.


jetBlue does not codeshare nor interline. There would be no beneift.

This reason, however, is why CO flies EWR-ABQ during the summer.

jetBlue does not codeshare nor interline. There would be no beneift.

Let's say I would like to fly Paris. I don't want take any other carrier but Air France. So you are saying that it would be no benefit to take a cheap flight to JFK and then get my bags, get a ride over to the terminal with Air France, check in, and check my bags. There would be no benefit??? I think you must reason that there are international travelers in ABQ. We are not some hick town where Phoenix is a major vacation. You must rethink you post because there is quite a bit of benefit. Just because I want to fly BA out of Phoenix, does not mean I use the code shared America West, I might take Southwest to Phoenix and just grab my bags and re check in! Why would I do this, because I am a FF with Southwest, and I find Southwest much more convenient. So yes there would be a benefit for international travel.

Think before posting! Sure it may not seem that convenient for you, and then you automatically figure it unbeneficial. Well for some of us, we have FF with Euro Airlines, and we would rather fly to JFK, then Double Connect, or connect somewhere else and take a carrier where we do not have FF status.
True, I rather take CO out of IAH, but most of the time that is not the cheapest option, as it is I must find a very low fare for my business. So it becomes beneficial to have a non-stop to JFK.

As long as you spell like that, you're going to have a hard time getting anyone to take you seriously.

Think before posting!

[Homer voice] Baaaahahahahaha [/Homer voice]

Let's say I would like to fly Paris. I don't want take any other carrier but Air France. So you are saying that it would be no bennifet to take a cheap flight to JFK and then get my bags, get a ride over to the terminal with Air France, check in, and check my bags. There would be no benifit??? I think you must reason that there are international travelers in ABQ. We are not some hick town where Pheonix is a major vacation. Yoy must rethink you post because there is quite a bit of benifet. Just because I want to fly BA out of Pheonix, does not mean I use the codeshared America West, I might take Southwest to Pheonix and just grab my bags and re check in! Why would I do this, because I am a FF with Southwest, and I find Southwest much more convienent. So yes there would be a benefit for international travel.

Sure there is "bennifet" (sic) - for the few ABQ based international travelers who this would apply to. There wouldn't be enough benefit to enough international travelers to justify B6 launching ABQ-JFK service.

I have to go to Los Algodones, BC, MX soon. I wish some airline offered nonstop service from LAS to Yuma, AZ. It would benefit me. There aren't enough travelers on the LAS-YUM route to justify nonstop service, in the same way there aren't enough travelers on the ABQ-JFK route to justify nonstop service.

Think before posting! Sure it may not seem that convienent for you, and then you automatically figure it unbenifitial. Well for some of us, we have FF with Euro Airlines, and we would rather fly to JFK, then Double Connect, or connect somewhere else and take a carier where we do not have FF status.
True, I rather take CO out of IAH, but most of the time that is not the cheapest option, as it is I must find a very low fare for my buisness. So it becomes benifitial to have a non-stop to JFK.

ABQ is a small-to-medium size market. It is not a "hick town", but it lacks the critical mass of the much larger PHX. ABQ isn't a major tourist destination, like MCO, LAS or HNL. ABQ doesn't have the demand to justify B6 adding nonstop JFK service, especially as B6 doesn't currently serve ABQ and doesn't serve many cities that are much larger and have more demand.

ABQ is a small-to-medium size market. It is not a "hick town", but it lacks the critical mass of the much larger PHX. ABQ isn't a major tourist destination, like MCO, LAS or HNL. ABQ doesn't have the demand to justify B6 adding nonstop JFK service, especially as B6 doesn't currently serve ABQ and doesn't serve many cities that are much larger and have more demand.

And I understand that, but I was commenting on the comment:jetBlue does not codeshare nor interline. There would be no beneift. I was just trying to point out that there would be some benefits, though it may not warrant Jetblue service.

And for my wrongeddd spell like talk sorry I saaaay :D :D ;)

I truly agree that ABQ doesn not yet warrant F6 service, but maybe in the not so distant future it will deserve service. Thinking 2008(I know wishful thinking)!

And I understand that, but I was commenting on the comment: I was just trying to point out that there would be some benefits, though it may not warrant Jetblue service.

And for my wrongeddd spell like talk sorry I saaaay :D :D ;)

I truly agree that ABQ doesn not yet warrant F6 service, but maybe in the not so distant future it will deserve service. Thinking 2008(I know wishful thinking)!

Quite obviously, when I mentioned there would be no benefit, I meant in critical mass. Obviously, anything can be a benefit to someone. A jetBlue flight from ABQ to ELP would benefit some people, but not enough. I thought it was very clear what I meant, sorry if I didn't state it well enough.

And if an ABQ flyer really, really wants to fly interline on Air France, take a cheap flight to Detroit or Los Angeles on Southwest, and connect there.

A jetBlue flight from ABQ to ELP would benefit some people, but not enough.

Maybe, I think it would be an interesting flight option.

Right now WN is the only choice, but at $49 each way, they would be hard to beat ;)

Maybe, I think it would be an interesting flight option.

Right now WN is the only choice, but at $49 each way, they would be hard to beat ;)

I know, with those fares I chose to fly to ELP once a week wrather than drive, like I used to do a couple years ago. Actually ABQ to ELP is a very profitable route for WN. every time I fly the route, it is always 90%+ full.

While JetBlue keeps its new destinations a closely guarded secret, I do not see how ABQ could be a priority for them. There is already service from Southwest and America West and regional service from others. For its size, ABQ is relatively well served.

Service from Long Beach is highly unlikely because all of its slots are being used, mostly on transcons and high traffic routes like OAK and LAS. If it is going to happen at all, it would probably be ONT or OAK to ABQ. BUR is also unlikely due to a lack of gates.

Why JetBlue? You already have Southwest and AmericaWest.

Because America West sucks :mad:

Because America West sucks :mad:

Well, I like there A320's, but otherwise America West truly is the dumpiest Airline I have ever flown on, and some. I only will fly them if I get an A320, or A319. Don't get me wrong I am a huge Boeing fan (super ff for Southwest, Continental, and Delta) but America West's 737-300s make American's Old A300's look good. But more seriously, AADC10 you can't tell me that you that you don't like JetBlue Service. I loved it since my first flight from PHX to JFK (It was a couple a months ago, when I flew with my boss--resident of PHX-- to a meeting in NYC and he wanted to fly America West to LGA. I showed him). I hate America West's Planes, hate connecting in PHX, however I like the service America West gives. So I would have to say 1 for 3 means that America West sucks horribly. :( :eek: :eek: I will continue to wish that JetBlue Comes to ABQ (even though about 15 other cities have better chances).

make American's Old A300's look good.

Old A300s? AA's A300s were delivered as recently as 1993! They are younger than many of their 757s, MD80s, and 767s.

Old A300s? AA's A300s were delivered as recently as 1993! They are younger than many of their 757s, MD80s, and 767s.

So you are saying that there newest A300 is 12 years old. Wow that’s not old, wink wink ;) ;) . Because the newest is 12 years old the average one could be anywhere from 18 years old. Well that actually proves my point, because America West's 733 were delivered as recently as 1998, and if they make a 15+ year old aircraft look good than there might be something wrong. And by old A300, I meant the ones that haven’t been refurbished with the new seats, overhead bins, etc. Sorry if you misunderstood me but this wasn't meant to insult AA at all, or even America West as I did say that America West provided good service. And some how I don't know how we moved on to America West when this thread was about jetBlue. Oh well, who cares. ^

Well, I like there A320's, but otherwise America West truly is the dumpiest Airline I have ever flown on, and some. I only will fly them if I get an A320, or A319. Don't get me wrong I am a huge Boeing fan (super ff for Southwest, Continental, and Delta) but America West's 737-300s make American's Old A300's look good. But more seriously, AADC10 you can't tell me that you that you don't like JetBlue Service. I loved it since my first flight from PHX to JFK (It was a couple a months ago, when I flew with my boss--resident of PHX-- to a meeting in NYC and he wanted to fly America West to LGA. I showed him). I hate America West's Planes, hate connecting in PHX, however I like the service America West gives. So I would have to say 1 for 3 means that America West sucks horribly. :( :eek: :eek: I will continue to wish that JetBlue Comes to ABQ (even though about 15 other cities have better chances).
Sure I like JetBlue. The point was that JetBlue would put ABQ low on the priority list because Southwest and America West (sucky as it is) are already there and Albuquerque is not really big enough to support 3 LCCs. It would be great, but it is probably not going to happen soon.

On A*.net there is a thread by someone who wants direct service to Europe from Sacramento. I have no idea how they can expect that anytime soon. They should be happy that they have B6 to Dulles.

Sure I like JetBlue. The point was that JetBlue would put ABQ low on the priority list because Southwest and America West (sucky as it is) are already there and Albuquerque is not really big enough to support 3 LCCs. It would be great, but it is probably not going to happen soon.

On A*.net there is a thread by someone who wants direct service to Europe from Sacramento. I have no idea how they can expect that anytime soon. They should be happy that they have B6 to Dulles.

Well actually we have Frontier (F9)--so yes we can support 3 LCCS--however, that does mean jetBlue would be a fourth LCC which we probably could not support. So your point is well made and quite valid.

Oh, and on a different topic, where can I find Dot Reports on the Amount of Passengers going to a certain destination in a day. I think that audio-nut should be able to help me out on this one. Thanks for the help.

Oh, and on a different topic, where can I find Dot Reports on the Amount of Passengers going to a certain destination in a day. I think that audio-nut should be able to help me out on this one. Thanks for the help.

I looked on the FAA website and could not find anything at all. Please help me. Sorry, I know this is off topic.

Perhaps try talking to the local governmental agency that is in charge of the Albuquerque airport -- it seems to me that the local airports are the ones that would be most interested in knowing that information, and thus might possibly compile it themselves from raw data supplied by the airlines.

Though What? Usually when you use the word "though" you follow up with something. For example: Though non-stop jetblue...either because of slot restrictions, another carrier might consider this.







Does Pheonix not have one flight a day to JFK with Jetblue????




JFK is a hub for more than plenty airlines. People whould fly JetBlue to get to JFK not necessarily to New York as a final destination.




This also proves that people who aren't in the Airports area might actually use the service. BTW, thanx for the great comments TusconDave.


Merely speaking the truth. The Sunport is an awesome facility. I am no aviation expert, but it is my understanding passenger loads to/from ABQ are in the vicinity of 7-9 million per year. ABQ does draw from the entire state, as well as, arguably, parts of W TX and S CO, Four Corners area, etc. I wish you good folks in Albuquerque nothing but the very best in your efforts to land new air service. If I have the opportunity, I will give you whatever business I can.

Merely speaking the truth. The Sunport is an awesome facility. I am no aviation expert, but it is my understanding passenger loads to/from ABQ are in the vicinity of 7-9 million per year. ABQ does draw from the entire state, as well as, arguably, parts of W TX and S CO, Four Corners area, etc. I wish you good folks in Albuquerque nothing but the very best in your efforts to land new air service. If I have the opportunity, I will give you whatever business I can.
Nope, we don't see people from ELP going to ABQ to catch a flight.

We do however see east NM coming over to ELP, like Las Cruces and the other small towns around it ;)

So you are saying that there newest A300 is 12 years old. Wow that’s not old, wink wink ;) ;) . Because the newest is 12 years old the average one could be anywhere from 18 years old.

The average age of AA's A300s is about 13 years old. The oldest is 16 years old. That is young for an airline fleet, and younger than the average age of their 767 fleet and MD80 fleet. The average age of Northwest's DC-9s, for example, is about 28!

Nope, we don't see people from ELP going to ABQ to catch a flight.

We do however see east NM coming over to ELP, like Las Cruces and the other small towns around it ;)

Yes this may be true, but we get quite a few people on the border next to places closer to ABQ. And ever since we started ABQ to Las Cruces Beach1900 service, we have been stealing some of the very little market that Las Cruces brings you. I am assuming you mean southeast New Mexico when you say east New Mexico, because we get a lot of traffic from places like Hobbs, Roswell, Tucumcari, and all the other near border towns. And yes you may not see people actually driving up from ELP, however I have seen quite a few of El Paso Citizens (El Pasonites, El Pasoians, El Pasoneese--sorry no clue ) fly Southwest up to ABQ and catch and ABQ flight. ;)

Where would you go from ELP to ABQ in WN? :confused:



And its El Pasoans ;)

Where would you go from ELP to ABQ in WN? :confused:



And its El Pasoans ;)

I had a hunch it was El Pasoans. Well besides WN connections you might want to ditch an RJ and come up here--that was the reason of the couple I was talking to last week. Also because you could be going to San Francisco and would rather not fly into Oakland with WN, and would not like to connect in Denver with United, and just take the UA flight from ABQ to SFO. Or you could be flying internationally with CO out of EWR, and need to fly out in the evening, but does not want to take an afternoon RJ to IAH. Or United to ORD, or SFO etc. It becomes a lot more convenient if you would have to Double stop out of ELP, or take a non-stop or direct flight out of ABQ. All the reasons listed I have actually witnessed from passengers when doing my weekly trip down to El Paso. Sorry if I offended anyone.

Offense? :confused:

Not at all

I just never thought ABQ as a hub I would take.

Most of the hubs I use are PHX, DFW, ATL, IAH, SLC and DIA

But never had a connection out of ABQ.

Interesting ;)

According to the DOT Q1 2004 report, only 245 people travel between ABQ and NYC daily each way. Thus I do not see a carrier adding nonstop service.

Besides being more than a year ago:
On average, 424 passengers travel the 1,825 miles between Albuquerque, NM and New York, NY each day
Source :faremeasure.com

Besides being more than a year ago:
On average, 424 passengers travel the 1,825 miles between Albuquerque, NM and New York, NY each day
Source :faremeasure.com

That is for 3Q04 (aka: summer), when traffic is at it's peak in July and August. The average number for the rest of the quarters is closer to 245.

Just to compare with SLC, there is just not enough traffic at ABQ:

City, May passengers, YTD passengers
SLC, 1.94m, 8.94m
ABQ, 0.50m, 1.90m

Even if you take out Delta and assume ALL of their passengers were connecting, SLC is still 1.15m and 4m, more than double the ABQ passenger totals, even with supposedly less than twice as much population (using the 1.75m, 1m figures bandied about earlier in the thread).

Sources- www.slcairport.com, www.cabq.gov

Just to compare with SLC, there is just not enough traffic at ABQ:

City, May passengers, YTD passengers
SLC, 1.94m, 8.94m
ABQ, 0.50m, 1.90m

Even if you take out Delta and assume ALL of their passengers were connecting, SLC is still 1.15m and 4m, more than double the ABQ passenger totals, even with supposedly less than twice as much population (using the 1.75m, 1m figures bandied about earlier in the thread).

Sources- www.slcairport.com, www.cabq.gov


That is terrific for SLC. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: This is not a competion between SLC and ABQ. All I was really wondering was iif there is a possibility that when JetBlue gets their E190s; would they operate ABQ? They are supposed to get 30 some E190's by the end of 2007. I don't see what is with all you guys and SLC affecting the possibility of getting ABQ JetBlue service in the future. I just wanted to know if ABQ is even on their list. Thank You :)