US Airways Dividend Miles (Pre-FlightFund Merger) - news from the west coast

Hey ya'll-
Just back from LAX and learned a few interesting pieces of information from talking with the crew and the WN ops people in LA. The crews were great except for the "A" f/a on the LAX-PHL flight. I was in 4C on the 321 and the only remaining choice for food was the b'fast sandwhich. My seatmate(who is an Aussie) and I looked at each other in disgust, and the f/a tells us "You'll eat it and like it". Gee, is she my mother? Pathetic excuse for a f/a.

ANyway....

- SFO terminal move in 8-10 weeks away. The facility is breaking apart quickly and the city is fixing nothing. They want US out quickly.

- US may not be moving from T1 LAX after all. Apparently, WN is really banking on US being gone. HP is growing and WN local management is in discussions with LAWA and the HQ of WN/HP for WN to pay to move HP to T6. WN wants to take over HP's 4 gates and re-tool their flight ops to help lessen the tsa hellhole. This seems to make sense to me because last time I checked, T6 has CBP facilities and HP does have a few Mexico flts that need to visit them.

-WN has the bullseye on CLT. It's not if anymore folks, it's when. Gary Kelly was in LAX yesterday and the manager I was speaking to told me he said they are in discussions with the city to potentially buy 1 gate on the C concourse from US(I'll belive this when I see it). This is just what I heard.

Interesting pieces of information...Stay tuned.

SFO terminal move in 8-10 weeks away. The facility is breaking apart quickly and the city is fixing nothing. They want US out quickly.Awesome!

-WN has the bullseye on CLT. It's not if anymore folks, it's when. Gary Kelly was in LAX yesterday and he said they are in discussions with the city to potentially buy 1 gate on the C concourse from US(I'll belive this when I see it)

I really find that hard to believe. And even if they do. What's the big deal? We know that Blofares are going away. There are few markets left that have any real volume in them. Yes, there are some, but they are rapidly disappearing. And the idiots at CCY do realize this. That's the whole rationale for the "transformation." However, I think they might be better off if they went the DL Simplifares route rather than gouging the remaining few pax on those select monopoly routes.

This was the justification for closing the SFO US Airways Club on 2 April 2005.

See SFO Club Closing
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120584

HP is growing and WN local management is in discussions with LAWA and the HQ of WN/HP for WN to pay to move HP to T6. WN wants to take over HP's 4 gates...

Somehow I doubt this will happen. I hope HP tells WN to go to hell. Moving to T6 would be a losing deal for HP. They'd get no lounge, and probably some smaller crappy ticket counter.

There are less gates in T6 to begin with. UA/CO hold 9 of the 11 gates so HP will have to share gates which put limits on growth. HP would definitely be on the losing end of this deal.

I swear to god I hate WN. :mad:

I hope HP tells WN to go to hell.
I swear to god I hate WN. :mad:


THANK YOU! At least someone around here that WN is about as arrogant as can be. Not even any other LCC compares.

Somehow I doubt this will happen. I hope HP tells WN to go to hell. Moving to T6 would be a losing deal for HP. They'd get no lounge, and probably some smaller crappy ticket counter.

There are less gates in T6 to begin with. UA/CO hold 9 of the 11 gates so HP will have to share gates which put limits on growth. HP would definitely be on the losing end of this deal.

I swear to god I hate WN. :mad:
I hope you're right but WN is really dicking with HP on this one.

There are less gates in T6 to begin with. UA/CO hold 9 of the 11 gates so HP will have to share gates which put limits on growth. HP would definitely be on the losing end of this deal.

I swear to god I hate WN. :mad:

My guess is that HP would use the gates in the rotunda(sp?) area after the CO/DL gates and before the UA/CO/DL gates in the raised area at the end of the terminal.

Having said that, I hope that HP stays out of T6 it is prefect right now in terms of security waits(never very long) and amount of people.

Dan

I hope you're right but WN is really dicking with HP on this one.

Is that an industry term? ;)

Hey ya'll-
- SFO terminal move in 8-10 weeks away. The facility is breaking apart quickly and the city is fixing nothing. They want US out quickly.

Source for this?

It's not that I disbelieve you--I had the station manager for SFO tell me 6 weeks about 56 weeks ago :). They have wanted US out for ages so that they can get at the 2 or 3 gates in the international terminal that the US terminal currently blocks.

- US may not be moving from T1 LAX after all. Apparently, WN is really banking on US being gone. HP is growing and WN local management is in discussions with LAWA and the HQ of WN/HP for WN to pay to move HP to T6. WN wants to take over HP's 4 gates and re-tool their flight ops to help lessen the tsa hellhole. This seems to make sense to me because last time I checked, T6 has CBP facilities and HP does have a few Mexico flts that need to visit them.

How do the talks between HP and WN impact US, and any potential move out of T1? I don't think they'll move anytime soon, but only because doing so would make too much sense, and I don't give CCY that much credit.

That said, for those in the thread that are getting their blood pressure up and popping eyeballs over WN's alleged actions--what would you do? If you have seen the security situation at T1, you know it's a mess--WN does not generally like to have those kind of problems potentially impacting it's operation, and they may have decided it's a big enough problem to try to buy off HP. It's just business.

-WN has the bullseye on CLT. It's not if anymore folks, it's when. Gary Kelly was in LAX yesterday and the manager I was speaking to told me he said they are in discussions with the city to potentially buy 1 gate on the C concourse from US(I'll belive this when I see it). This is just what I heard.

Interesting pieces of information...Stay tuned.[/QUOTE]

Southwest? Arrogant?
You better believe it.
They have earned that right too. It looks like them and jetBlue will be the only two non-regional large airlines to declare a profit for Q1.

And what kind of arrogance do you think the legacies have had for the last, oh, 80 years?

Is that an industry term? ;)

Actually, yes it is. Ha!

That said, for those in the thread that are getting their blood pressure up and popping eyeballs over WN's alleged actions--what would you do? If you have seen the security situation at T1, you know it's a mess--WN does not generally like to have those kind of problems potentially impacting it's operation, and they may have decided it's a big enough problem to try to buy off HP. It's just business.


Yes, I've seen those lines, and I've been in those lines(as an HP passenger). I can also say that those lines are due to WN's operations. If they don't like the security situation then they can either tone down their ops, or spend some their wealth on improving the terminal.

The arrogance they're displaying by demanding HP move into a situation that reduces their potential is just too much for me. Somehow they believe others should make way for them.

I'd like to see CEO Doug Parker call WN's CEO and tell them to eat ****.

A few weeks back, US announced that it is attempting to relocate at SFO to be closer to UA. It makes sense. This would reduce connecting time for UA domestic and international flights and no bus ride. It also eliminates the need for a separate club.

US also stated that they would like to make a similar move in LA.

It also eliminates the need for a separate club.

Only if US/UA change their silly club access policy for SFO/LAX and allow US Club members flying US to access the Red Carpet Club. Under current rules, they cannot.

Only if US/UA change their silly club access policy for SFO/LAX and allow US Club members flying US to access the Red Carpet Club. Under current rules, they cannot.


Maybe the silly rule will go away. Despite the spat over Air Wisconsin, I am expecting closer cooperation between UA and US in the near future. The code-share has provided with at least $300 million per year.

A few weeks back, US announced that it is attempting to relocate at SFO to be closer to UA. . . . It also eliminates the need for a separate club.Only if US/UA change their silly club access policy for SFO/LAX and allow US Club members flying US to access the Red Carpet Club. Under current rules, they cannot.See generally US/UA lounge agreement ending?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120385

Maybe the silly rule will go away. Despite the spat over Air Wisconsin, I am expecting closer cooperation between UA and US in the near future. The code-share has provided with at least $300 million per year.We can only hope -- and make our voices known to US Airways through direct communication, threads like this, and voting with our pocketbooks (non-renewal of US Airways Club memberships in favor of Red Carpet Club memberships). That is what I've been advocating on the foregoing thread since the "three-tier" pricing policy was announced at the beginning of January 2004 -- the twelfth most-viewed thread ever on the FlyerTalk US forum.

Only if US/UA change their silly club access policy for SFO/LAX and allow US Club members flying US to access the Red Carpet Club. Under current rules, they cannot.

Who would actually do that while the terminals are seperated?

Yes, I've seen those lines, and I've been in those lines(as an HP passenger). I can also say that those lines are due to WN's operations. If they don't like the security situation then they can either tone down their ops, or spend some their wealth on improving the terminal.

The arrogance they're displaying by demanding HP move into a situation that reduces their potential is just too much for me. Somehow they believe others should make way for them.

I'd like to see CEO Doug Parker call WN's CEO and tell them to eat ****.

I'd be shocked if LUV was "demanding" anything. I'd be further shocked (lesser) if LAWA forced the issue.

Now, if LUV offers to pay for the move and generally dump some cash on HP (who needs it right now), I would not be shocked.

Who would actually do that while the terminals are seperated?

I was referring to the problems with club access when/if US moves its operations into the UA terminal at SFO. :)