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taupo
Apr 7, 05, 12:13 pm
I recently completed a round trip on NZ.
Mar 23 NZ07 SFO-AKL in F
Apr 04 NZ02 AKL-LAX in F

Rather than writing a long winded trip report, I thought I would write it in bullet form.

UA FC SFO lounge is nice. Comfortable seating, very quiet, good food and booze selection, clean bathrooms. All the important stuff.

Upon boarding, was greeted by Tom, one of the two FC FAs. I flew with Tom last Feb, we instantly recognised each other. Tom is one of NZ's greatest assets IMO. We settled into 3AB, seating area was clean, Tom ensured we had everything we needed. His colleague, didn't ger her name, came around with the amenity kits, she was holding two, went to hand them to us, (us being my 2 and a half year old and myself), gave one to me, but would not give one to my child. I guess a two year old in her own seat does not warrant a kit, I was not given the option. She played with mine, amused her for a longtime. This female FA did a fine job of ignoring us for the entire flight.
FC cabin was full.
Had crab cakes, lobster bisque and tenderloin for dinner, yummy.
Purser came around to greet the FC passengers, acknowledged my *G status and thanked me for being a loyal customer. I took peek at the F manifest in the galley, I was the only *G.
Daughter had a good sleep (10 hours), I slept for 6. I like those old seats. I propped my roll on under the foot rest, stuck a spare pillow on top of the foot rest, fully reclined the seat, ear plugs in, Bose NR's on, ahhhh. Comfort.
Only mild chop on the flight, no real turbulence.
Arrived in AKL on time at 4:15am, we were first off the plane, deplaned through 1L, used the family lane in Immigration (nice touch having that lane), only had carry on, so straight to Customs, declared some food, Customs was disinterested in it.
Walked over to Domestic, nice warm breeze, very refeshing after the long flight. Dom was closed :eek: . We walked around more, looked at planes,likely had CCTVs watching all our movements, we walked all over the place, returned to the terminal at 5:30ish, still closed, .... Many people milling about, wondering what is going on. By this time, 2 NZ 747s have arrived and disgourged, I find it incomprehensible that NZ would not have their Dom terminal open for their connecting pax :td:

The return.
Checked a bag from TUO, did not have to reclaim it is AKL, it was not x-rayed in TUO, hopefully it was in AKL, but I somehow doubt it.
Walked over to Intl, went to BC/FC ckin area to get through the security/exigration maze. No queues, sailed through.
NZ FC lounge was stocked with some tasty treats.
Lounge agent announces that the flight will be leaving at 11pm instead of 9:45. I am now concerned as I have a 2 hour 20 min connection time based on the original sched. I approach the agent, show her my itin, she tells me to not worry as they will make up time in flight, I am still slightly concerned, but take her advice.
Go through the secondary screening later on, we do not attempt to board with other FC/BC/Pax with kids, just take our time. Not one, but two NZ agents see me with a young 'un, come over to tell me to jump the queue and board right away, a very nice touch, but I waited my turn in line.
On boarding, my daughter haned the BPs to the Purser, he looked at them, and with a sneer directed us to the left. Settled into 3AB again, met by a very affable FA by the name of Paul. He and his colleague whose name I missed were excellent, a big thank you to both.
Had the taster for an appetiser followed by the lamb, both were mediocre at best.
Daughter slept a lot, I tossed and turned all night, concerned about the connection.
Purser came around at the start of the flight with the US Customs and Immigration forms. He addressed all the FC pax by name. He came to us last, I was looking at him with a friendly smile knowing we were next. He looked at me and said "yes" in a condescending inquisitive tone, I explained I only need a Customs form, he handed to me without a word.
For breakfast, I had the omellete, I should know better than to have egg on a plane, it was not good.
Several announcements were made regarding the continuation of NZ 2 and at what time it would depart LAX, their was never a mention of any other connections. On board, I asked if any arrangments would be made for other connections, I was told to speak to a ground agent. AC makes this arrangements for you, while you are in the air. My connection was on UA and part of the same ticket.
Paul assisted us off the plane, deplaning was through 2L, again thank you Paul. To give the snooty Purser the benefit if the doubt, I thanked him as I deplaned, only to be completely snubbed, at which time I briefly thought his stuck up nose could use some re-arranging, then thought better of it.
Ran to the INS hall, only waited for 5 min, went to the baggage belt, grr ckin bags, only waited 10 min for the bag, about tenth off. Raced through Cutoms, asked a NZ agent if could make my connection, was told yes, put my bag on the belt for connecting bags, kept the trolley, put carry on bags and daughter on the trolley and ran, I mean ran to T7 where UA departs from, through security, to the gate, to watch the jet bridge pull away from the plane. The UA agent came out of the jet bridge, asked if I was Mr H, told him I was, he aplogised profusely, I thanked him, said apologies are not needed from him.
Proceeded to RCC, conciege was most helpful, booked me on an AC flight to YVR, so back to T2.

In summation, NZ was OK and only OK, seats and cabin is nice, FAs' are generally excellent, Purser leaves a lot to be desired, NZ's complete lack of concern for connecting pax is inexcusable IMO. Incidentally, their were 8 other NZ 2 pax who were supposed to be on my UA flight. NZ leave it's pax to fend for themselves. Domestic terminal closed after 2 intl flights have arrived is poor. Food was good one way, bad the other.

I hope the overall service improves greatly with new cabins, however, I am doubtful that the attitudes of some of the staff with change.


studyolic
Apr 7, 05, 1:57 pm
You flew in F and you had to put up with snooty pursers and inattentive FAs? That sounds ridiculous. I've never been in F myself, only J, but I found similar problems. I had assumed that if you paid for F, the airline would ensure prompt and courteous attention. Sounds like some of the NZ staff need a month in charm school.

I was planning to fly NZ next year on a (for us) big trip, but now I am having second thoughts. What other airlines fly LAX - AKL?

ntddevsys
Apr 7, 05, 2:42 pm
Raced through Cutoms, asked a NZ agent if could make my connection, was told yes, put my bag on the belt for connecting bags, kept the trolley, put carry on bags and daughter on the trolley and ran
:D

Perhaps we could make a list of the 50 useful Air New Zealand staff ?


taupo
Apr 7, 05, 2:42 pm
You flew in F and you had to put up with snooty pursers and inattentive FAs? That sounds ridiculous. I've never been in F myself, only J, but I found similar problems. I had assumed that if you paid for F, the airline would ensure prompt and courteous attention. Sounds like some of the NZ staff need a month in charm school.

I was planning to fly NZ next year on a (for us) big trip, but now I am having second thoughts. What other airlines fly LAX - AKL?

Three of the four FAs were excellent, however it should be four of four. The Purser issue is a greater one to me. They are the inflight manager, should be courteous and gracious to ALL customers.

I have flown in J/C on NZ countless times, and in Y too many. Before this last flight and the Purser issue, I would give NZ a 9 out of 10 for their inflight staff.

Bottom line, I will fly them again, partially because of *A, points etc, and because I do believe in NZ and their ability. I have a family of four that now make 2 trips a year to NZ from Canada, I will hope for better treatment next time.

I am hoping that NZ has lurkers here who are in postions to effect change, hence mentioning names and specific flight numbers and dates. My comments are mean't as constructive criticism.

taupo
Apr 7, 05, 2:44 pm
:D

Perhaps we could make a list of the 50 useful Air New Zealand staff ?

50?, I hope their are only 50 useless and the rest usefull

airnzboy
Apr 7, 05, 7:17 pm
taupo, sounds like a mixed trip for you.

I would encourage you to contact the Customer Relations department. The Inflight Service Director (longhaul purser) position is currently under review and all ISDs have to reapply for their jobs. The only way to ensure those that remain are the good ones is from feedback from customers such as yourself.

I'm glad on the whole the inflight service was good. Steps are currently in progress to improve handling of misconnecting customers, as well.

Fliar
Apr 7, 05, 7:25 pm
Sounds like some of the NZ staff need a month in charm school.

Sadly, yes. I have had good experiences, some excellent, but also quite a few not so good ones (although have never been in F on NZ). I do not find NZ consistent enough, although certainly not bad overall. 7.5/10

Air New Zealand
Apr 8, 05, 4:05 am
I was planning to fly NZ next year on a (for us) big trip, but now I am having second thoughts. What other airlines fly LAX - AKL?

Air NZ & QANTAS.

taupo
Apr 8, 05, 9:27 am
Air NZ & QANTAS.

Unless QF upgrades it's cabins, NZ will have QF beat hands down. NZ will have it's new economy with IFE and its continued best in class seat pitch, it will economy plus which QF does not have, it will have it's new business/first product installed, aka Virgin Suites.

You're only other option would be to fly UA to SYD, then backtrack to New Zealand.

Quokka
Apr 8, 05, 11:23 am
NZ will have it's new economy with IFE and its continued best in class seat pitch, it will economy plus which QF does not have, it will have it's new business/first product installed, aka Virgin Suites.

You're only other option would be to fly UA to SYD, then backtrack to New Zealand. Wrong.

Air Tahiti Nui also has some direct (but not nonstop) flights between LAX and AKL and vice versa. Air Tahiti Nui flies the route with 3 class aircraft with a pretty decent product/service according to reports.

taupo
Apr 8, 05, 11:34 am
Air Tahiti Nui also has some direct (but not nonstop) flights between LAX and AKL and vice versa. Air Tahiti Nui flies the route with 3 class aircraft with a pretty decent product/service according to reports.

Good to know. Thanks. Their are worse things in life than having to stop in Tahiti or someplace like that ;)

ntddevsys
Apr 8, 05, 6:24 pm
Wrong.

Air Tahiti Nui also has some direct (but not nonstop) flights between LAX and AKL and vice versa. Air Tahiti Nui flies the route with 3 class aircraft with a pretty decent product/service according to reports.

TN have the old style J class seating. Next year NZ will have brand new lie-flat J class seating.

Air New Zealand
Apr 8, 05, 10:52 pm
TN have the old style J class seating. Next year NZ will have brand new lie-flat J class seating.

You mean this year? The first aircraft is already in the hanger in AKL getting the upgrade. Exiciting times ahead for Air NZ this year. :)

ntddevsys
Apr 9, 05, 12:05 am
You mean this year? The first aircraft is already in the hanger in AKL getting the upgrade. Exiciting times ahead for Air NZ this year. :)

But not likely to be available on all 747's services till the first day of January :)

Any word on when the first 747 will be rolling out of the hangar and when the seatmap will be released to the public ?

Air New Zealand
Apr 9, 05, 3:23 am
But not likely to be available on all 747's services till the first day of January :)

Any word on when the first 747 will be rolling out of the hangar and when the seatmap will be released to the public ?

I see what you mean now. The first route will be AKL - SFO then AKL - LAX - LHR when they have enough upgraded aircraft. Not sure when the seating map will be on the website but the Bombardier Q300 seat map is on there now. If you make up a booking for a date (eg. 11th August) and go as far as the choosing your seats the new seat maps are on there. :)

ntddevsys
Apr 9, 05, 3:50 am
I see what you mean now. The first route will be AKL - SFO then AKL - LAX - LHR when they have enough upgraded aircraft. Not sure when the seating map will be on the website but the Bombardier Q300 seat map is on there now. If you make up a booking for a date (eg. 11th August) and go as far as the choosing your seats the new seat maps are on there. :)

The seatmap in ITN is terrible. Any word on when the first aircraft will leave the hanger ?

Air New Zealand
Apr 9, 05, 3:56 am
The seatmap in ITN is terrible. Any word on when the first aircraft will leave the hanger ?

About a month I think Air NZ said it should take. ZK-SUI went into the hanger on 5th April and has already had some of the seats taken out. So look out for it around the 5th May.

Kiwi Flyer
Apr 9, 05, 3:26 pm
taupo - sorry to hear about the less than stellar service and misconnect. Did your bags make it to the AC flight you were bumped to?

taupo
Apr 9, 05, 11:56 pm
taupo - sorry to hear about the less than stellar service and misconnect. Did your bags make it to the AC flight you were bumped to?

No, bag did not make it. Before handing the bag to the TSA person at the cnx bag belt, I asked a NZ employee if she felt I would make the connection, she assured me I would. haha.

The bag was tagged to SEA on UA. NZ told UA that it had sent it from T2 to T7 for the SEA flight, while I waited in the T7 RCC, a UA employee went looking for it, nowhere to be seen, UA said they would send it to AC at T2. When I went to T2, I stopped into the Koru Club, and no it has not been renovated yet, the very nice lady there, did what she could, but said NZ had just then sent (1 hour later) sent it to UA.
Needless to say, the bag did not land in YVR. I was completely unstressed about the bag, as it had nothing importand in it, and nothing we needed right away. Upon returning home to YYF, I filed a lost baggage claim with AC. AC had nothing to do with the bag getting lost, but they were the only ones I had faith in to find it for me. They didn't even question the claim, the bag was delivered to my office 48 hours later, courtesy of AC. Thank you AC.

I will hazard a guess that I have flown 25 round trips transpac on NZ, this was the only disappointing flight. I am looking forward to sampling the new cabin in November for sure and possibly September as well.

taupo
Nov 30, 05, 9:15 pm
My trip started in YVR (Vancouver) on AC as part of my Award flight that I had booked on about two weeks notice.
I booked the award online, then called AC to confirm some details they needed, then called NZ to reserve seats, asked for rows 1-3, was told they have been reserved already. Got 11A going down and 2A coming back, return flight was to be a 74R. After the fiasco I went through with reserved seats not really being reserved seats on NZ, I was sceptical of actually getting 11A.

I ckin'd at YVR for the LAX-AKL leg, the agent handed me a BP for 2J, NZ was true to form in reserved not being reserved ;) , thank you thank you.

Upon arrival in LAX I somewhat nervously approached the KC desk presenting my BP, Paul asked me for my passport so he could print me a new BP with my PP info on it, I asked him if I would be keeping the same seat, he assured me yes, sure enough he brought me my BP and PP. I really wanted a window seat, so after a while I approached Paul to ask if their was anyway I could change to 2K, he said not a problem and printed a new BP, his colleague said it could not be done, so Paul was told to call Joyce at the service desk, as I was seated in F already it was fine to move me within the cabin. While they were doing this, I looked at the KC manifest and noted that 7 names were highlighted and had a * by them, I was one of them, I deduced that we were the only *Gs in C/J on the flight and were therefore placed in F seats, I confirmed this as I exited the KC.
LAX KC is nice, but needs a few more privacy screens/plants to break it up a little, food was OK, wine selection was very good.
The flight, NZ5, was delayed by three hours, this would cause me to miss my connection to WLG, I mentioned this to Paul, he bought over the ISD when she came into the lounge, she was very helpful, sent a message from the plane to their ops to have my WLG flight changed, someone to meet me at the gate and expedite me through customs, ISD had me move to back row of J for landing so I could be first off the plane. We docked at 11am, I caught the 11:30 flight to WLG, you can imagine how smoothly everything must have gone, it did. NZ, thank you.

Grr, no domestic J. Getting out of an F seat, running, and I mean running to the domestic terminal, to then board a plane where my knees are jammed into the seat in front, and I have to share shoulder/elbow space/cooties with the person beside me, not good. NZ, please bring back domestic J.

The same day I flew WLG to TUO in J ;) , seat 2A on the Beech, good flight, great pilot who gave a scenic tour of Mt Ruapehu crater. WLG KC is very nice. How refreshing to get though an airport without having to go through all the security BS.

I noticed what looked to me like 767 on the far ramp?? It was white, red tail with a cross on it the tail.

Return flight to LAX was changed to a 747 old, was given 2A, F was full, downsatirs J had 2 spare seats. Flight left ontime and arrived early.

The inflight service was superb on both legs, the staff were second to none, food portion is a little small, my stomach thanks them for that.

NZ, you are doing a lot right, none of my complaints from my Feb flights were repeated, please keep up the good work. I look forward to flying NZ again, could well be in Feb or March.

mad_atta
Nov 30, 05, 9:33 pm
Great to hear! ^ ^ ^

Kiwi Flyer
Nov 30, 05, 10:28 pm
Sounds much better this time ^


I noticed what looked to me like 767 on the far ramp?? It was white, red tail with a cross on it the tail.

Hmm I think I saw this a/c at AKL the other day, but I did not think it was large enough to be 767. Mind you - looking head on so hard to tell. All I was sure of was it had red tail with white patch and definitely not Qantas. Anyone know what it is?

stewardo
Dec 1, 05, 6:18 am
Great report again - thanks for that.

All I was sure of was it had red tail with white patch and definitely not Qantas. Anyone know what it is?

Its not this plane ( http://www.airliners.net/open.file/738924/L/) again is it? NZ leased an Air Malta a couple of years ago. Perhaps it was dropping the team home after the CHOGM? .. anythings gotta be better than the RNZAF 757!

taupo
Dec 1, 05, 10:28 am
Hmm I think I saw this a/c at AKL the other day, but I did not think it was large enough to be 767. Mind you - looking head on so hard to tell. All I was sure of was it had red tail with white patch and definitely not Qantas. Anyone know what it is?

That's the one.
I am unsure of the 767 part, could have been a 757. Definately not a 737 or a AB319/320/321.

taupo
Dec 1, 05, 10:29 am
Great report again - thanks for that.



Its not this plane ( http://www.airliners.net/open.file/738924/L/) again is it? NZ leased an Air Malta a couple of years ago. Perhaps it was dropping the team home after the CHOGM? .. anythings gotta be better than the RNZAF 757!

Not that one.

Kiwi Flyer
Dec 1, 05, 11:44 am
Not that one.

agreed

stewardo
Dec 5, 05, 12:23 pm
Was talking to an old colleague this afternoon who was telling me he flew into NZ on a Turkish Airlines airbus as part of the press pack following Recep Tayyip Erdogan... perhaps that was the craft spotted? TK definitely have a red tail with a white bird thing.

Keeping my fingers crossed that the Turkish transport minister isn't visiting to sign any kind of open skies agreement - I've spent far too many hours in grubby TK 737s to contemplate more...

Kiwi Flyer
Dec 5, 05, 1:03 pm
That could be it. Erdogan was here for a while - sounded like bringing a whole plane load of officials, family, press and other hangers on.



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