MilesBuzz! - Earn Unlimited Miles by Using CC at Online Poker Sites then Cashing to Bank Acct

Over the last few days I've been experimenting with PartyPoker.com because of a promo email I got from some friends at school, and I think I've discovered a loophole that would allow the accumulation of unlimited miles, but only easily for non-US based cardholders (the site seems to be blocking transactions from US issued cards, but not proxy-funded Visa/MC cards. I'll explain further below).

So, you can fund a party poker account with any non-US based credit card (BMI miles card in the UK, for example), and the money instantly shows up in your poker account. (NB: I got an email about an hour after I made my deposit asking me to verify some account details over the phone, which I did, because I had entered my address on my poker account differently than the one on my CC). I played a few $5 games for fun, won one, and then "decided" I was done, so I cashed out all my money back to my back account. So, my question is, why is this not free unlimited miles? It seems to work fine, and by the time my cc bill is due, I'll have that cash back in my acct.

My friends and I were having trouble with US based credit cards (something about US banks declining gambling transactions), but we found a solution to that too -- any of the "virtual" reloadable VISA sites that charges your card and makes a virtual one should work fine with this...all we have to do is find a free one. Anyone know of any? I'd like to top up my United card here at school...

I thought I would ask you guys for any potential problems with this plan before running it with large amounts...let me know if you think of any?

FYI: If, like me, you actually play a hand or two before casing out, I found some bonus codes on the internet. Entering PPBDAY gives you 25 dollars free, and CASHBDAY gives you 20% extra cash on your first deposit...if you're like me and lose those hands, the free cash is nice to get to take home to make up for it (Every 7 hands you are dealt cards, it frees one dollar of bonus cash, I think).


Disclaimer: If this works, and you guys want to do it, I'd really appreciate a click through - PartyPoker (http://www.partypoker.com/index.htm?wm=2544855) (if posting this link violates the spirit of MilesBuzz just let me know and I'll take it out...I've gotten a lot out of this forum so I don't want to do anything that is against the rules).

Expect a world of fees (and no benefits whatsoever) if your credit card company treats the transactions as a cash advance, not a purchase.

Mike

My friends and I were having trouble with US based credit cards (something about US banks declining gambling transactions), but we found a solution to that too -- any of the "virtual" reloadable VISA sites that charges your card and makes a virtual one should work fine with this...all we have to do is find a free one. Anyone know of any? I'd like to top up my United card here at school...



I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that US cards will NOT work but WILL work if they can generate a virtual card number from the actual card? If that's what you're looking for, I always use virtual account numbers with my Citibank AA Mastercard. Assuming virtual numbers can be generated from all of Citibank's cards, there are many, both MC and Visa, to choose from. Many have no annual fee either. Hope this helps your little scheme! ;)

http://www.creditcardguide.com/citi.html

Expect a world of fees (and no benefits whatsoever) if your credit card company treats the transactions as a cash advance, not a purchase.

Mike
That'd be my question. Is this treated as a cash advance or a purchase on your CC statement? I'd think it would go down as an advance.

I have several friends who signed up with an online casino using a promo such as 20% bonus on your initial deposit, etc. And once fully qualifying for the promo, cashed out with 120% of their initial deposit. They then tried to do this at another online casino and another and another.

The problem was that at some point they got added to a blacklist and the casinos wouldn't let them signup using these promo codes. I guess there's some industry list of people who aren't really players but are just out to take advantage of these promos.

It may be possible to get past this security with multiple credit cards, email addresses, street addresses, etc.

Also, some sites try to refund your money back the same way they got it instead of issuing a check.

Good luck!

Back when you could do this directly with US-based credit cards, it was treated as a purchase, not an advance, in my experience.

The problem was that at some point they got added to a blacklist and the casinos wouldn't let them signup using these promo codes. I guess there's some industry list of people who aren't really players but are just out to take advantage of these promos.
You don't just have to worry about a blacklist, but there are plenty of casinos that do stuff like refuse to give people their money back, etc., when they do something the casino doesn't like (like play the deposit bonus game). So be careful.

My first purchase was small, and it hit my statement online this morning -- as a purchase, not cash advance. But, we know from the Charter1 deal that this can change at anytime. I'm following some good advice I received via email to make sure and keep individual transaction dollar amts low and set cash adv. limit to zero before "rolling the dice", so to speak.

-Some other points: PartyPoker support says they should be a purchase in all but the most rare instances, because they pay a processing fee to the cc companies. I don't know if that is actually a legit argument.

-I didn't mean to say that the bonus codes should/could be scammed. Personally, I decided to play some hands before cashing out, so I was legitimately cashing in on the bonus codes for some extra free cash (I figured that would reduce red flags, and also I wanted to try it!)

-When I was talking about reloadable visas, my friends used epassporte.com which creates a visa card funded from a regular card. Unfortunately, this one charges a fee, so it negates the bennies. If anyone knows of a free site that is legit and has a similar method of operation, that would work for US based cardholders.


Back when you could do this directly with US-based credit cards, it was treated as a purchase, not an advance, in my experience.

I played a few $5 games for fun, won one, and then "decided" I was done, so I cashed out all my money back to my back account.

Did you cash your money back to your CC account? If so, you won't earn miles - as every CC I have seen issues miles based on net purchases - so if you make a $1000 purchase then return it, you get
1000 miles minus 1000 miles = 0 miles gained.

If they are sending you a check then this should work.

I used Neteller to cash out, since I already had an account with them and it was linked to my bank account. One of my friends used the regular IGM-pay e-check thing they have which worked as well.

They don't have an option to cash out via credit card, as far as I can tell....



Did you cash your money back to your CC account? If so, you won't earn miles - as every CC I have seen issues miles based on net purchases - so if you make a $1000 purchase then return it, you get
1000 miles minus 1000 miles = 0 miles gained.

If they are sending you a check then this should work.

Hi

This is my first post here, so forgive me if I've missed out on a site proceedure issue etc (not intended :)). A friend told me about this site a while back, only got to register this evening ... glad I did though.

A few pointers to watch out for here, if I may:

- Mastercard (far more than VISA) are anti-gaming, both online & offline. As such, you will generally find mega problems trying to lodge & withdraw funds via credit card if you've got Mastercards.

- A number of the US States have banned gambling (not sure if it's just online or both land based & web based, but certianly web based). As many of the online gambling sites don't want the extra hastle of having to figure out the laws of each state, they often find it easier to just outlaw all US players. A few other countries will also find themselves outlawed (Denmark being an example), although this is often for other reasons (such as "bonus abuse" as the casinos like to call it :rolleyes: )

- I don't see why the same theory cannot be applied to various sports books & online casinos, in addition to the poker sites mentioned here. However, you are going to have to watch closely for the wager requirements if your a new player to the particular gambling site etc. Always read the terms & conditions before you play is my advice. A summary of them can be found HERE (www.rpoints.com/casinos) if it is of help :)

- I help administer a forum which has specialist poker, sports betting & casino forums (amongst other things, but no direct conflict with this website) if any of you want detailed information on how to get the most of new player bonuses etc. I don't want to cause a problem here, so just drop me a Private Message (do you guys also call them PMs here ?) if you want more info. or mail me: garrettod@dublin.com

- Oh, btw, NETeller is excellent for cashouts as it helps you get your cash back quicker, but watch out for the charges associated with operating the account. Their debit card is quite handy though !

Good luck to all testing this suggestion for increasing their points tally :)


Regards


G>

I finally found a site that accepted my AA Mastercard the other day and I was very excited. I am soon going to start doing regular transactions.

I finally found a site that accepted my AA Mastercard the other day and I was very excited. I am soon going to start doing regular transactions.
what is this site??
do tell please.

Also, on another note to those concerned about cash advances on your mileage earning CCs, I know that with citibank MC, you can contact them and ask them to make it so your cash advance limit is $0.00 Not $100 or $1 even, but just plain zero.

why zero you ask? Well, you may ask... the reason is because I recently found out that if your CA limit is $1, then some companies who would like to charge things as a cash advance will first run a temporary authorization of your potential available funds at $1 and then attach the full authorization for the rest of the money to that same accepted temp one! AAA does this by the way, and I got Citi to remove my CA fdees when I mistakenly bought something from them a while ago thinking it would never have gone thru unless it were a purchase. Days later when I saw the charge i was livid, so I reached someone in the president's office who promptly fixed it seeing as how I had previously set my CA limit to $100. I then had her make it ZERO saying I never wanted to get a CA again for this very reason!

So ask them to set it to zero for this reason--tell them you have been buying stuff online and noticed a new marketing scheme you do not want to be a victim of.


United's Visa and NWA's visa will not change your CA amount limit but they may be persuaded to add a security hold on the charge if one comes thru. If it does, they will notify you first to see if you did in fact make the charge. then you say no.

:)MM

BUT do tell that site please!

In the same way, couldn't you setup a paypal account with a credit card and "spend" the allowable maximum on it (to another controlled account) and get miles there as well. It is limited to $2,000 but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work.

If you want, you can paypal me $2k, then whatever is left after fees I can paypaly you back. For as long as you want. If we did this until it was all eaten by fees, we would both have a massive number of miles. But you would be out $2k. I can live with that if you can. :) If they ever have a fee-free day this would be ideal.

I'm in, but you have to paypal me first!! The fee is $58.30 for a $2000 transaction, or .02915 per mile at 1 mile per, or .014575 per mile on the Amex double mile promo. On the double a 25K domestic ticket comes out to $364, so not that great a promo.

Seriously, I buy alot of merchandise for my business via paypal, and am doing mega amounts on Ebay this month due to the Amex Delta double mile promo. But as a buyer, I don't pay fees, the seller does. You might do better buying gift cards for walmart, target, best buy, costco, home depot, ect on ebay or even at the grocery store (my Publix carries gift cards, always double miles on amex)
Remember also that costco and Walmart cards can be used for gas. Walmart is 3 cents off per gal with the card, costco is just cheaper, and for you up north Speedway cards are $96 for $100 worth of gas so in essence .08 off per gallon and double miles.....

JudyJFLA

A number of years ago, I thought of this very point earning scheme after looking over the terms and conditions of membership on the Hard Rock (cafe) Casino website. The only major drawback was at the time, you could not fund your account with a USA based credit card, however, in now looking at the terms and conditions, this does not appear to be the case, though I may have overlooked it as I scanned the long list of terms and conditions.

http://www.hardrockcasino.com/

Terms and conditions link listed on the bottom of the page.

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A number of years ago, I thought of this very point earning scheme after looking over the terms and conditions of membership on the Hard Rock (cafe) Casino website. The only major drawback was at the time, you could not fund your account with a USA based credit card, however, in now looking at the terms and conditions, this does not appear to be the case, though I may have overlooked it as I scanned the long list of terms and conditions.

http://www.hardrockcasino.com

Terms and conditions link listed on the bottom of the page.

I just tried that and my US credit card was declined.

I found a list of bonus offers summaries of the various sites at (link removed)and I'm trying them systematically as I have time. Will advise what works, if any, with a US card.

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Similarly Ive tried this with the online sportsbooks and deposit with my miles earning credit cards. The sportsbooks cannot send funds back to the credit cards as easy now and they always sent me a check and/or a bank wire to my acct.

In the same way, couldn't you setup a paypal account with a credit card and "spend" the allowable maximum on it (to another controlled account) and get miles there as well. It is limited to $2,000 but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work.

Nope!

Elliot Spitzer, NY Attorney General, sued PayPal a couple years ago for allowing this. One of the terms eBay had for acquiring PayPal was to ban it's use as a payment method for gambling.

Nope!

Elliot Spitzer, NY Attorney General, sued PayPal a couple years ago for allowing this. One of the terms eBay had for acquiring PayPal was to ban it's use as a payment method for gambling.


Aha,

So thats why PayPal pulled out of the gambling industry ... leaving the gate open for NETeller to dominate the market (can't complain, my NETeller shares are going very nicely :))




what is this site?? do tell please.

:)MM




You will need to register to get access to the forums, but there is a lot of tips & information from various members on 3 specialist forums for casinos, sports betting & poker. Also various tables with lists to all known websites offering the various gambling games, how to maximise the benifit of the free cash bonuses etc.

It's also a reward based website, where it effectively shares the commission it earns with you, when you use its links to shop online with Amazon and hundreds of other websites.

regards

G>

Edit: site under review, advertising not allowed on FT.

I have several friends who signed up with an online casino using a promo such as 20% bonus on your initial deposit, etc. And once fully qualifying for the promo, cashed out with 120% of their initial deposit. They then tried to do this at another online casino and another and another.

The problem was that at some point they got added to a blacklist and the casinos wouldn't let them signup using these promo codes. I guess there's some industry list of people who aren't really players but are just out to take advantage of these promos.

It may be possible to get past this security with multiple credit cards, email addresses, street addresses, etc.

Also, some sites try to refund your money back the same way they got it instead of issuing a check.

Good luck!

You typically (at least at partypoker) have to play a minimum number of hands or a minimum rake (what the house takes from each hand) before those bonuses show up. So depositing $50 and then playing two hands (breaking even) and then walking away with $60 is not possible.

Hi

I agree with Envgeo here, furthermore you must be aware that not every game is counted as a raked hand, at every site, there are certain qualifying restrictions such as number of players or minimum amount in the pot etc.

Personally, I find the online casinos far better as they offer the cash bonuses subject to more straight forward wager requirements (basically a multiple of the bonus plus your deposit), before release of the bonus funds they offer you - you just need to watch the various games permitted & that the bonus can infact be obtained before you start.

Regards

G>

I tried to load money on at PartyPoker, and even using a virtual cc number, I can't get it done. It keeps telling me that the transaction is declined. They called me about 45 minutes after my last attempt and said they would be able to execute the transaction, but that there is a $5 fee. Any ideas what I am doing wrong? Is paying the fee the only way to get my credit card charged?

Hi

What kind of credit card have you got, if it's a Mastercard then you may find it's been blocked by the issuer, rather than there being a problem with the card or account itself. Did you phone the card issuer for support ?

regards

G>

........but only easily for non-US based cardholders (the site seems to be blocking transactions from US issued cards, .......

......you can fund a party poker account with any non-US based credit card (BMI miles card in the UK, for example), .......

....My friends and I were having trouble with US based credit cards (something about US banks declining gambling transactions).....

Not just US based card holders, but non-US based card holders of a US bank too. Last September or October, my Citibank AA credit card statement came in with the message the Online Gaming transactions were no longer being allowed. My account is UK based, with the only US connection being it's part of the Citi group of companies.

I recently openned an BMI card because of the 20000k bonus. Thats run by MBNA. I didn't notice any no gambling rules there. MBNA also run the credit card arm of a bank or two here (Abbey for instance). I don't think its members would be too happy about having US rules applied to this recently outsourced side of the business (2 or 3 years ago I think).

Hey guys, I signed up to pacific poker using the (link removed)link, and not only did the 50% bonus show up, but my account was also credited another 25 dollars for 'just signing up'? So for 105 dollars ($5 epassporte fees), I got $175 instantly. Raked a few hands, played a few tournaments, and cashed out 200 with 10 left to fool around! My cash advance has been set to 0 on my US CC, so epassporte is running them like regular charges!

Cheers, I'm going to do it again, maybe less a little gambling:)


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Edit2: My link was not an affilliate link to partypoker? It was to someone elses external site?

Almost ever BB I have looked at over the last two months has some person posting something about PartyPoker trying to get people to sign up through their site. Their are thousands of referral sites. I am amazed it took so long for someone to jump in at Flyertalk to try to get people to signup for PP through their referral.

Is no one bothered by giving bank account and credit card numbers to a company in another country against whom you will have absolutely no recourse if they f you?

A co-worker of mine tried to cash out a large amount (upwards of $10,000) from an internet gambling site he had been using. They basically just said "No. What are you going to do about it?"

Many of the gambling sites claim to be run in the Caribbean, europe, etc but almost all of them are actually southeast asian fronts. And if you think the government of thailand is going to help you get your money back (or the US govt for that matter) you're sadly mistaken.

Hi Ginandtacos

To be honest, I'm not overly concerned, as I tend to try and reduce the risk as best I can, by:

- checking out the casinos / poker sites I play at, via various established forums where I can read of fellow players experiences

- only giving credit card details, rather than Bank details, in the absence of NETeller account. With a credit card, you get a fair bit of comfort (though it's becomming harder to use one, given Mastercard's stance against gambling etc) & NETeller generally tend to screen their casinos / poker sites before offering their services to them, so again a degree of comfort.

- issues to watch out for are:

* where the gambling site is licenced (needless to say, some south american countries for example, grant licences to operators more easily than say the UK does, but this in isolation does not make them bad !)

* software type used (there are various makes of software available, some of which are romoured to be less "reliable" than others. I won't get into naming them here, but go to any decent gambling discussion forum & you'll soon learn which ones to be wary of).

* sign up promotions ... basically, if an offer appears way too good to be true, then it probably is. Watch out for wager requirements associated with bonus money at a casino & likewise, raked hand requirements with poker sites

regards

G>

I have done this a few time at intertops poker, which is an affiliate of party poker. It lets me deposit a maximum of $750 US per day, and I usually cash out $700 an hour or so later, directly to my bank account. I will usually play $10 or so and leave the rest until my next transaction, just so I have something in my account. I have had no problems so far. Problem is I am in Canada so I bank in CND dollars, and lose a percentage on the exchange. I am really doing a foreign exchange transaction each time, buying high and having to sell low when the money goes back to my bank account. Anyone know of a poker site in Canada?

I can't believe this thread is dead already! This is better than the gift card deal back in the day. For example I just did $4,000=4,000 miles for NOTHING. It is being transfered from the poker site to my Neteller account and then to my checking account. This whole process usually takes about 5 business days. I can't let my fellow FTers forget this great deal!

I have been playing around with various sites lately trying to find what site would best suit a Canadian credit card, but have been having a hard time finding something. Most sites take cash in US$$ which causes crap conversion rates on CAD credit cards, my card even imposes some 2.5% extra charge (not sure exctly what it is, will have to check the first statement).

Jonmar, let me know if you find a site that works for CAD cards. I found one site in the UK which is also a sports betting site that accepts $$ in CAD and then when you need to withdraw you have to get them to do a wire which is costly (not sure how much yet) but will try this one out soon.. Any other ideas for us folk up here in the great white north?

Hi

With regards to Canidian Dollar issues, why not just open a NETeller account in US$, load it up the first time ... then just recycle the US$ in & out of the account when playing the various casinos & poker rooms ?

Granted, this won't get you lots of extra miles, but it wil let you play the various online gambling sites & avail of various new user sign up bonuses etc without significant FX costs every time (assuming you don't lose all your money :))

Off the top of my head, I can't think of too many gambling sites offeirng play in Canadian $s, only Euro, GBP£ and US$ from memory.

Regards


G>

Hey guys, I signed up to pacific poker using the (link removed)link, and not only did the 50% bonus show up, but my account was also credited another 25 dollars for 'just signing up'? So for 105 dollars ($5 epassporte fees), I got $175 instantly. Raked a few hands, played a few tournaments, and cashed out 200 with 10 left to fool around! My cash advance has been set to 0 on my US CC, so epassporte is running them like regular charges!

Cheers, I'm going to do it again, maybe less a little gambling:)


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Edit2: My link was not an affilliate link to partypoker? It was to someone elses external site?

How are you getting the money out?

I can't believe this thread is dead already! This is better than the gift card deal back in the day. For example I just did $4,000=4,000 miles for NOTHING. It is being transfered from the poker site to my Neteller account and then to my checking account. This whole process usually takes about 5 business days. I can't let my fellow FTers forget this great deal!
How are you loading the casino account? Straight from your CC? And what site lets you do that?

I can't believe this thread is dead already! This is better than the gift card deal back in the day. For example I just did $4,000=4,000 miles for NOTHING. It is being transfered from the poker site to my Neteller account and then to my checking account. This whole process usually takes about 5 business days. I can't let my fellow FTers forget this great deal!

Stupid question maybe - Since you are "cashing out" greater than $599 with a casino, is there any tax impact w/ US gov't? I know that if I win $600 and up in a casino, I get a bunch of paper work and tax info at the cashier instead of straight up cash. Don't know how this works online or if I'd even need to worry about it - fill me in!

peace,
~Ben~

I Vegas its $2500 or $3000 before the paperwork is generated.

Hi,

For those playing in either the UK or Ireland, there is no tax payable on winnings, unless your registered as a professional gamber for your employment. Should this be the case, then you'd also be able to offset your losses, so it's generally a problem for the Tax people.

Click HERE (www.rpoints.com/casinos) if you want a list of all the casinos & poker rooms known to Rpoints, hundreds to chose from and discussion from various Rpoints members on most of them to help you avoid any pitfalls. To begin, try and stick to blackjack as your preferred game when allowed in the terms & conditions btw

Regards


G>

:td: :td: :td: Please think about what you're doing!! :td: :td: :td:

I just wandered into this discussion to find a bunch of hair-brained schemes to make miles through cc transactions at online casinos and through paypal.

Might I suggest a brief pause before any of you decide to do this?

First, on PayPal:
Before you start sending money to one another, you might check out paypal's terms and conditions which expressly prohibit this (which may or may not be very stupid, but that's not the point). Then, you might read about the consequences of getting caught at paypal trading money with your friends to get the CC benefits. Check out www.paypalsucks.com (scheduled to be down from April 8-10). To summarise: they freeze your account and your money is gone. NOT GOOD!

Second, on online casinos:
Do you think these casinos won't notice their escalating fees from miles-earning transactions? Unlike Charter One, these are small organisations run by questionable folks in the FSU and small islands. Making transactions worthwhile will no doubt entail hundreds or thousands of dollars, which WILL be lost eventually when these folks catch you and freeze your account. And I’d like to read your fraud claim statement with Visa/MC when you have a problem. “Well, I was actually just trying to run money through this casino to get miles.” Hmmmm….

Just thought this thread could use a breath of common sense. Don't mean to discourage mileage earning ideas, but there is a reason people shouldn't be doing this.

I can't believe this thread is dead already! This is better than the gift card deal back in the day. For example I just did $4,000=4,000 miles for NOTHING. It is being transfered from the poker site to my Neteller account and then to my checking account. This whole process usually takes about 5 business days. I can't let my fellow FTers forget this great deal!

Your math may have also turned out to be $4,000=NOTHING.
Of course you would still earn the miles... :)

So has anyone recently confirmed a casino site allowing US based MC's to load funds?

Message me.

Personally, I would not trust those online casino either.

You don't just have to worry about a blacklist, but there are plenty of casinos that do stuff like refuse to give people their money back, etc., when they do something the casino doesn't like (like play the deposit bonus game). So be careful.

Yeah, I think it's the business and the general reputation that has people a bit gun-shy on the deal.

I understand why people don't want to do it, but I also know people are. I would like to know the ones that aren't being blocked by US based MC's

I won't mess with online casino (or any casino for that matter). Looking at the dark side (call me a presimist), what's stopping them from drawing unauthorized cash from your cc. Before u realize it, it is too late.

Just some info on the online poker sites, I have been playing at them for almost two years. I have accounts at 14 different sites (party and skins, paradise, 5 cryptos, ub, stars, etc...) The larger sites that I have mentioned are quite legitimate, and they are also quite large. While a few small ones have gone under, I have never heard of an instance of anyone having their money "stolen" by the site. People have lost money to losing their passwords, or accounts will be seized for rules violations. The sites though are very "safe" to play at and have money in their accounts.

In all but a small number of states, playing poker online is not illegal for the player. The fed does try to hamper participation though by pressuring mc/visa to not allow money transfers to the sites. PM me if you have any specific questions.