Canadian Airlines Plus - CP flights YYZ-YUL on CP operated for Air Canada
Jul 15, 00, 1:35 am
Boy what a mouthful. In theory it's a Canadian Airlines flight, but with a flight number that says that it's an AC flight.
So - how does the upgrade work? As a CP operated flight or a AC operated flight?
Jul 15, 00, 6:25 am
Strictly as if AC owns and operates the flight (which they do anyway http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif and the crew are wearing green. Even Cdn. employees travelling on a pass have to list with AC to board a wet leased flight. The a/c is leased to AC which was a topic in an earlier thread. I hope I've answer this clearly for you.
Jul 15, 00, 11:00 pm
Yes thank you.
Jul 16, 00, 10:13 am
In the event of an AC pilots strike, the wet-lease flights are going to be a huge point of confusion for pax. Even though they are AC flights, they are operated by CP crew on CP metal, so they will fly. I think all the FTers here understand this, but most pax will be confused by these wet-lease arrangements.
I'm not so sure. You would have to read the fine print in the collective agreement between CP and its pilots, CP and its FA's, and between AC and its passenger agents and station agents (the ramp crews).
Any of these collective agreements might have a clause which permits the members to refuse to operate/work where that would interfere with a labour dispute. This could well apply to wet-leased flights, since the operator of the flight would be involved in such a dispute.
Jul 17, 00, 10:01 pm
AC*SE, I hear where you are coming but I respectfully disagree. Cdn and AC are not operating under a unified operations certificate and this can be coupled with the fact that the separate union contracts and separate business contracts are protected from the consequences of any ACPA strike action. These negotiated deals/flights must be operated or provided for per the agreements, approved by both airline management teams, a month or so ago as wet leases. Even though both parties are controlled by one corporation, diverse and conflicting contracts rule. CP employees can sympathize with ACPA but they cannot refuse to work any flight bid for or awarded to them in the present integrated schedule. If a strike date is announced; scheduled, wet leased aircraft, or routes assigned to CP at the time of the announcement, have to be honoured by CP staff as the contractural obligation made to maintain flying operations under all sub-contracts entered into prior to the labour dispute.
CP consigned flying, inclusive of wet leased aircraft, must still operate as these leases are a separately contracted entity. Other departmental employees can offer a voice of support but they cannot legally cause disruption through job action (work to rule) in their own sphere of operation. Their working rules are not directly being compromised and they are working members of a different union and union contract. They cannot legally do anything that could be construed as a detriment to the daily operations but they can communicate their support in other ways.
BTW I was disappointed to learn from your post that you will not make it to YUL for the FAQ. Understandable why though; I hope your move goes smoothly. Another time http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif
Effective yesterday, Canadian Airlines will wet lease its flight(excluding its F-28 service) between YYZ and YUL/YOW to Air Canada. This Rapidair service will show CP codeshare flight numbers. This move streamlines the standby process for Airport Customer Sales & Service Agents who must currently transfer standby passenger files manually between RESIII and Sabre.
[This message has been edited by CPYVR (edited 07-22-2000).]