Canadian Airlines Plus - AA points on CP metal wet-leased to AC?
Jun 26, 00, 2:13 pm
Does anyone know if AAdvantage miles/points can be earned on CP-operated flights (i.e. CP metal) that are "wet-leased" to AC? As a specific example, YEG-ORD AC 74 (CP 3074) is operated on CP metal, but is listed in the CP timetables as "Operated by Canadian Airlines for Air Canada".
Can any of the AC/CP employee lurkers provide a semi-official answer?
Oh yeah, what happens in the event of a pilot strike? This flight would still be a go, because it would be CP metal and CP pilots even though it's billed as an AC flight, right? Or is it even more complicated than this?
My brain hurts.
If you are booked on CP, regardless of who operates the flight, don't you get AA miles?
If not, you may be out of luck, because technically, CP3074 is a codeshare, despite the fact that CP actually operates it. (South Park fans will understand when I say, "Dude, this is seriously #&?@'d up")
However, in the event of a strike, it still operates, because the crew (wet leased, as they are) are not in a legal position to take job action.
On a related subject regarding CP wet-leased to AC, I think one of these would not be eligible for last year's upgrade stickers, even if I booked on the CP3000 flight?
Jun 26, 00, 7:02 pm
My understanding is that, despite the CP metal and CP crew, if it is a wet lease to AC, AA is not recognised as a code-share.
Frustrating I know. The code-share is only with CP designated flights shared by AC. AC has no legal responsibility to honour the AA agreement despite the metal when they are listed solely as the operating company.
As far as the status of a wet leased aircraft in the event of a pilot strike (which I personally do not believe will happen) I have no idea what the ramifications are. Has there ever been a precedent set for this type of situation?
Jun 26, 00, 7:32 pm
You wanna see serious "South Parked" up? Try this, from Travelocity: United Airlines flight 3343 operated by CANADIANAIR FOR AC on a Boeing 737I figure if I buy a ticket on Saudia Airlines from Tibet to Niagara Falls, I can probably board a KLM flight in Bombay, and land in Seattle 30 minutes later, assuming I check in for the flight at JFK.
Jun 26, 00, 7:37 pm
This is a little off topic, but what other city-pairs does Air Canada have wet leased planes from CP?
I think the route I saw it on was YVR-SFO.
Jun 26, 00, 9:43 pm
cslusarc: I think most of the AC wet-leases of CP metal are occuring on the transborder routes (ones CP operates). YYC-ORD is another one.
It seems to be an interesting way for AC to "add" to its route network without actually having to operate more routes itself.
Jun 27, 00, 8:31 am
I have a listing of wet leased flights (also known as extended charters) that was published on May 30. I believe it is still accurate.
Org Flt# Rte Start End CP# AC#
804 YZ-OW Jun3 Oct28 352 052
814 YZ-OW Jun5 Jul27 358 058
844 YZ-OW Jun4 Oct28 360 060
846 YZ-OW Jun4 Oct27 362 062
842 YZ-OW Jun10 Oct28 362 062
870 YZ-UL Jun5 Oct28 364 064
874 YZ-UL Jun3 Oct27 366 066
880 YZ-UL Jun5 Oct27 380 080
220 YC-ORD Jun3 Oct28 384 084
223 ORD-YC Jun3 Oct28 385 085
252 UL-ORD Jun3 Oct28 387 087
253 ORD-UL Jun3 Oct28 386 086
254 UL-ORD Jun3 Oct28 389 089
255 ORD-UL Jun3 Oct28 388 088
These are over and above the VR-SFO and LAX routes of which I do not have specific flight numbers for, sorry. Some of the SFO flights will remain as wet leases until further notice. Of course this info could change without notice nowadays. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif
Also the evening flights SFO<>YYC, these used to be AC761 and AC762. The morning flights are UA.