Canadian Airlines Plus - Club Empress vs. Executive First
Mar 5, 00, 9:03 pm
I have never flown on AC Executive First before, and I will be flying YYZ-HKG in May. AC and CP is the only two that I am deciding to choose from. (Forget the CX's horrible J class seats) Which one do u think I should choose in terms of comfort.
Mar 5, 00, 9:17 pm
I'll disclose that I've flown Executive First only twice (LHR-YVR on a 747-200 & YVR-LHR on a A340 in 1997/98) but CP Club Empress many times.
Service is about the same but CP's food was better with the Chef's Conclave (think that's been cut now?). What gets me is that AC's seats (55" pitch) on the A340 is rather uncomfortable with a big bump in the lumbar support (couldn't adust it away) when the seat was in maximum recline, which didn't make for comfortable sleeping.
I find the CP seats to be very comfortable and have good seat pitch particularly on the 747-400s (65" pitch) and 767-300s (60" pitch) and have good recline so you the seatback bears almost all your torso weight. I've had 4-5 hr continous sleep in them vs. 2-3 hrs max on other J class seats (QF, BA).
If AC is operating an A340, bear in mind the centre seats have no centre overhead lockers.
[This message has been edited by terenz (edited 03-06-2000).]
Nothing like being spoiled for choice.
For what it's worth, here are my observations:
I prefer the 340 to main deck on a 747, but I prefer upper deck on the 747 to the 340.
Now that CP has increased pitch, both carriers are at 150 cm. The new AC J seats are better, with better adjustment to the lumbar and headrest. The video on demand is a nice feature. However, the older J are not as good. There is no way of knowing which you will be on, since the cabin layout is identical.
Service levels are strong on both carriers. AC generally has a better wine list, CP has (had?) better food.
As long as you are not in 1DG, the lack of overhead bins is not a huge problem on the 340. Side bins are huge, and I have never known a lack of ability to stow. 1DG are a bit of a pain because there isn't the big seat pocket or any underseat. (You don't have it on 1AC or 1HK either, but the overhead makes up for it).
At HKG AC gate is usually close to the * lounges (far end of the terminal). CP is not always so close to the Wing. (But the Wing is a better lounge, hands down--and you don't have to ride the train).
Why not split the difference--fly out with one and back with the other. Do a trip report for us!
Mar 6, 00, 4:40 pm
Although I have not flown AC. I can't see how CP's J class can be any worse than AC. I think CP's pitch are still a bit more space than AC at 65". Flying CP, you can also get seats on the upper deck which will make it a bit more private. If you are lucky enough to get the emergency exit row on CP's upper deck cabin, the space between your seat and the one in front is probably 130". The seat recline is very generous and the service is excellent since that route is served mostly by FA with most senority. CP still serves the enhanced J class service on international routes so food is still better than AC.
Depending what level you are with CP/Oneworld. If you are EP/Emerald, you get access to CX's first class lounge which is the best you can get.
The only advantage that AC has over CP is the entertaining system. AC has a far more superior system than CP from what I've heard.
BTW, when in May are you going? I might be flying to HKG in early May and definitely on CP.