US Airways Dividend Miles (Pre-FlightFund Merger) - Bump Vouchers on eBay




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TravelScholar
Sep 18, 04, 12:17 pm
For those of you who've sold bump vouchers on eBay, how did you do it? I have one that I don't want to use (non-upgradeable), and my family has oodles of them from their last few trips (they don't need it). So, I'd really like to get some $$ for it. I don't see anything on the voucher that says "void if bartered or sold", etc., but I do remember them saying that BOTH people needed to go to the airport to endorse a voucher to someone else. How do you eBay'ers handle this? Thoughts? Tips?

EDIT: Nevermind. Apparently these things are not allowed to be sold, even though I can't find anything in print that says so. Thanks for the responses, but I guess it's better to be safe than sorry.


adambowie
Sep 18, 04, 12:41 pm
you`ve got mail

sfeinberg
Sep 19, 04, 10:17 pm
For those of you who've sold bump vouchers on eBay, how did you do it? I have one that I don't want to use (non-upgradeable), and my family has oodles of them from their last few trips (they don't need it). So, I'd really like to get some $$ for it. I don't see anything on the voucher that says "void if bartered or sold", etc., but I do remember them saying that BOTH people needed to go to the airport to endorse a voucher to someone else. How do you eBay'ers handle this? Thoughts? Tips?

What you are attempting to do is quite illegal and against US policy. Stop before you get a beating from management.


BumpMe!
Sep 19, 04, 11:17 pm
What you are attempting to do is quite illegal and against US policy. Stop before you get a beating from management.

Yeah... US's lawyers don't have enough to do right now.

Alysia
Sep 20, 04, 6:54 am
What you are attempting to do is quite illegal and against US policy. Stop before you get a beating from management.

Why is selling these vouchers illegal? Unlike the sale of miles, there are no terms and conditions against this.

sfeinberg
Sep 20, 04, 7:46 am
no there aren't. however, look at the way us treats those vouchers. exactly like miles. they book them in the "X" booking code. according to the cp desk, the same terms/conditions of a standard award apply.

longing4piedmont
Sep 20, 04, 8:13 am
Voluntary - Volunteers on flights within the United States and Canada will be offered one of the following types of compensation as determined by US Airways:
A transferable voucher for one free roundtrip coach class ticket on US Airways within the United States and Canada,
OR
A transferable voucher for a discount on a future ticket purchase on US Airways, valid systemwide.

Involuntary - Customers denied boarding involuntarily on flights within the United States and Canada will be offered one of the following types of compensation:

A transferable voucher for one free roundtrip coach class ticket on US Airways within the United States and Canada,
OR
Cash compensation in the amount of 200% of the sum of the values of the customer's remaining flight coupons of the ticket to the customer's next stopover, or if none, to his/her destination, but not more than $400.00. However, the compensation shall be 50% of the amount described above, but not more than $200.00, if US Airways arranges for comparable air transportation, or for other transportation acceptable to the customer, scheduled to arrive not later than two hours after the planned arrival, at the airport of the customer's next stopover, or at the airport of the customer's destination of the flight on which the customer holds a confirmed reservation.

They are transferable folks. The link is....
http://www.usair.com/customers/travel_policies/terms/terms.htm#Transferability%20of%20Tickets

sfeinberg
Sep 20, 04, 8:23 am
Voluntary - Volunteers on flights within the United States and Canada will be offered one of the following types of compensation as determined by US Airways:
A transferable voucher for one free roundtrip coach class ticket on US Airways within the United States and Canada,
OR
A transferable voucher for a discount on a future ticket purchase on US Airways, valid systemwide.

Involuntary - Customers denied boarding involuntarily on flights within the United States and Canada will be offered one of the following types of compensation:

A transferable voucher for one free roundtrip coach class ticket on US Airways within the United States and Canada,
OR
Cash compensation in the amount of 200% of the sum of the values of the customer's remaining flight coupons of the ticket to the customer's next stopover, or if none, to his/her destination, but not more than $400.00. However, the compensation shall be 50% of the amount described above, but not more than $200.00, if US Airways arranges for comparable air transportation, or for other transportation acceptable to the customer, scheduled to arrive not later than two hours after the planned arrival, at the airport of the customer's next stopover, or at the airport of the customer's destination of the flight on which the customer holds a confirmed reservation.

They are transferable folks. The link is....
http://www.usair.com/customers/travel_policies/terms/terms.htm#Transferability%20of%20Tickets

I never said they weren't transferable, but just like dividend miles issued from your account to someone else, you cannot sell them.

longing4piedmont
Sep 20, 04, 8:26 am
but I do remember them saying that BOTH people needed to go to the airport to endorse a voucher to someone else.
I have never sold one but I've given many away.

The person you are transfering to makes a reservations telling them they are using a voucher. You then go to the airport with the locator number and sign the voucher over to the name of person you are transfering to. Agent takes voucher and makes note in record. (What I don't know). An e ticket is then issued in the name of the other person. They do not have to go to the airport until they are ready to fly the trip.

Hope this helps

TravelScholar
Sep 20, 04, 8:31 am
Well, I guess I'd better play it safe, then--athough I really can't find ANYTHING on the voucher or elsewhere that indicates that the "no selling" rule applies to these things like it does for miles. I thought by taking the bump, it might be a good way to get some extra $$ for a delayed return home. Oh, well. :(

longing4piedmont
Sep 20, 04, 8:37 am
I never said they weren't transferable, but just like dividend miles issued from your account to someone else, you cannot sell them.
transferable

\Trans*fer"a*ble\ (?; 277), a. [Cf. F. transf['e]rable.] 1. Capable of being transferred or conveyed from one place or person to another.

2. Negotiable, as a note, bill of exchange, or other evidence of property, that may be conveyed from one person to another by indorsement or other writing; capable of being transferred with no loss of value; as, the stocks of most public companies are transferable; some tickets are not transferable.


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transferable

adj 1: capable of being moved or conveyed from one place to another [syn: movable, moveable, transferrable, transportable] 2: legally transferable to the ownership of another; "negotiable bonds" [syn: assignable, conveyable, negotiable, transferrable]

longing4piedmont
Sep 20, 04, 8:44 am
Well, I guess I'd better play it safe, then--athough I really can't find ANYTHING on the voucher or elsewhere that indicates that the "no selling" rule applies to these things like it does for miles. I thought by taking the bump, it might be a good way to get some extra $$ for a delayed return home. Oh, well. :(
A bump voucher is given to you as compensation as a result of US's failure to honor the contract of carriage. Unlike miles where you have agreed to the terms and conditions of the program, there is no such agreement in this case. They may be treated the same as far as availabity and when you can use them, but that is a far as it goes.

They can be transfered as the result of a sell, barter, or anything else you choose to do with them. They were given to you as compensation.

hilton-gold
Sep 20, 04, 9:17 am
A bump voucher is given to you as compensation as a result of US's failure to honor the contract of carriage. Unlike miles where you have agreed to the terms and conditions of the program, there is no such agreement in this case. They may be treated the same as far as availabity and when you can use them, but that is a far as it goes.

They can be transfered as the result of a sell, barter, or anything else you choose to do with them. They were given to you as compensation.

I've sold and given away several. Nobody cares, but you are breaking some rule if you get money for it, as I have. Do what you can to get some value for your falling US "assets."

longing4piedmont
Sep 20, 04, 9:26 am
ok Two more quotes from the web.

Free Air Transportation as Compensation for Travel
Unless otherwise provided on particular routes, free air transportation is limited to one round trip ticket from any one city within the continental United States or Canada served by US Airways to any one destination within the continental United States or Canada served by US Airways as selected by the customer. The voucher for free air transportation within the continental United States or Canada will be provided only to the customer who was denied boarding, however the customer may elect to transfer the voucher to another person. The voucher for free air transportation must be exchanged for a ticket within one year from the date of issuance of the voucher. Tickets issued in exchange for free air transportation vouchers are valid for one year from the date of ticket issuance. All travel must be completed within one year of the date of ticket issuance. Space is subject to availability at time of booking and travel must be via US Airways only and via the most direct routing on which space is available. A stopover will be permitted only at the customer's outward destination. The ticket has no refund value and may be rerouted and reissued only by US Airways. A customer involuntarily denied boarding may decline this transportation benefit and receive the cash payment specified in Section X describing involuntary compensation.

US Airways policies and procedures on voluntary and involuntary denied boarding, including applicable check-in deadlines, are available from authorized US Airways agents and on the US Airways web site (usairways.com).

NOTE: ACCEPTANCE OF DENIED BOARDING COMPENSATION CONSTITUTES FULL COMPENSATION FOR DAMAGES INCURRED BY THE CUSTOMER AS A RESULT OF US AIRWAYS' FAILURE TO PROVIDE THE CUSTOMER WITH A CONFIRMED SEAT.

And......

Transferability of Tickets

Tickets are not transferable unless otherwise specified. US Airways is not liable to the owner of a nontransferable ticket for honoring such ticket when presented by another person.

gardener
Sep 20, 04, 4:20 pm
I am very interested in this topic as my family just took a bump Sunday and received 8 vouchers that I have little use for. Reason being that I have a gazillion miles which I know it is not kosher to sell, and I want to go to Europe and Hawaii and the vouchers are only good for domestic 48 states + Canada.

Looking at the website and the vouchers, I also do not see anything which precludes their sale. And the US gate agent made a point of telling me "They are transferrable now, you know".

Am wondering about the advisability of calling US and asking. I would love to sell all 8 vouchers on eBay for $250-300 a pop but wouldn't want to do anything to jeopardize my CP status or hefty DM balance.

Spiff
Sep 20, 04, 4:40 pm
Get a third party to sell them for you if you're really worried about it.

longing4piedmont
Sep 20, 04, 5:37 pm
Pass the salt and pepper please. A answer from a friend at US indicates the bump voucher can not be bartered or sold. So all of my arguements above are for nothing. Oh well, I'm growing to like crow.

My apologises to Sfeinburg.

notam2
Sep 20, 04, 6:54 pm
I've got a couple questions about this too:

How much do bump vouchers usually go for on ebay?
How much can one expect to pay in taxes on:
a) a domestic award ticket
b) an award ticket to Canada
Does US's new airport / phone booking fee apply to bump vouchers?

I picked up a bump voucher recently....I'm thinking of using it on a BUF-MSY trip....but with the bump voucher, I need a Sat night stay, and the published r/t fare of $120 (taxes incl) does not require a sat night stay....not to mention the voucher doesn't earn miles....

- notam

The Lurker
Sep 21, 04, 1:11 am
I've got a couple questions about this too:

How much do bump vouchers usually go for on ebay?
How much can one expect to pay in taxes on:
a) a domestic award ticket
b) an award ticket to Canada
Does US's new airport / phone booking fee apply to bump vouchers?

I picked up a bump voucher recently....I'm thinking of using it on a BUF-MSY trip....but with the bump voucher, I need a Sat night stay, and the published r/t fare of $120 (taxes incl) does not require a sat night stay....not to mention the voucher doesn't earn miles....

- notam

For travel entirely within the 48 US states, there are no taxes you have to pay (not even the stupid 9/11 security fee). I don't know how much it is to Canada or about the booking fee, but those questions are likely easily answered with a call to US.

In the past, the bump vouchers did not require a Saturday night stay. I don't know if they have changed the policy, but you might want to check.

As for the eBay value, go to eBay and do a search of completed items for "US Airways voucher" and you will see how much they go for. It used to be $250-$300, but I think that has gone down some recently.



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