America West FlightFund (Discontinued Program) - America West+Royal Jordanian Code-share/FFP deal starts in OCT

America West and Royal Jordanian has received approval for its marketing alliance, effective 01OCT.

Deal includes Royal Jordanian's "RJ" code on HP flight between Phoenix, Las Vegas and Chicago, Detroit, New York, as well as New York-SFO/LAX.

The deal also gives both airlines' FFP member access to the lounges and miles accumulation.

SWEEEEEEEET! :rolleyes:

You can check it out here (http://www.rja.com.jo/home/home.asp)

Oh wow, Jordan is looking like a great place to redeem some of my HP miles next year for a vacation.

Give me a break HP. Nice alliance :rolleyes:

Oh wow, Jordan is looking like a great place to redeem some of my HP miles next year for a vacation.

So what are you thinkin', enviroian? Amman? Beirut? Damascus? Baghdad? Maybe we coordinate a HP MR! :cool: Do you think they'll be AW Vacations destinations?

Can't quite figure out what is so funny about the previous posts, but Jordan and Lebanon are both extremely beautiful countries with crime rates that make our best cities here in the United States look like Compton...

Within Jordan you can visit the Dead Sea, the Red Sea (Jacques Cousteau did mention that his best deep sea diving was off the Jordanian coast of Aqaba), the oldest above ground church in the world (St. George Orthodox Cathedral in Madaba) dates back to the early third century along with many Roman and Nabateaan Ruins.

It is actually a very safe and beautiful country to visit.

Can't quite figure out what is so funny about the previous posts, but Jordan and Lebanon are both extremely beautiful countries with crime rates that make our best cities here in the United States look like Compton...

Within Jordan you can visit the Dead Sea, the Red Sea (Jacques Cousteau did mention that his best deep sea diving was off the Jordanian coast of Aqaba), the oldest above ground church in the world (St. George Orthodox Cathedral in Madaba) dates back to the early third century along with many Roman and Nabateaan Ruins.

It is actually a very safe and beautiful country to visit.


I'm sure they are very beautiful places to visit and have no doubt about the order of law in the countries you mentioned. I'm sorry you didn't find humor in the comments. Here is the basis for them, at least from my perspective:

While no doubt beautiful, most would agree that region of the world has to be the most dangerous for an American to travel at this moment in history. Chances are very good that there would be no problems through such a trip (at least to some locations). However, given current tensions stemming from our country's recent involvement in the affairs of that region, it feels like a pretty sizable safety risk, if not just a down-right uncomfortable situation, which makes it an unlikely place for many of us to visit any time soon. That makes this new relationship something of a non-event from a frequent flyer perspective, at least for most people.

Many of us feel starved for good partner relationships in the Flight Fund program and have been crossing our fingers and anxiously awaiting new additions. Given the issues above, this revelation doesn't do much for many of us. In short, it's an underwhelming addition to a mediocre slate of partnerships. Hence the sarcasm.

Many of us feel starved for good partner relationships in the Flight Fund program and have been crossing our fingers and anxiously awaiting new additions. Given the issues above, this revelation doesn't do much for many of us. In short, it's an underwhelming addition to a mediocre slate of partnerships. Hence the sarcasm.

You may not have to keep them crossed that much longer. A hunch says that this is not the only partnership that HP is working on securing, just a baby step. You have to admit that some of the items on the 'want list' are slowing happening...The 737 are going away, more new Buses are showing up, routes are being added, things like the ability to change your seat at web check-in, better boarding procedures, improved First food, anyone had a hot pocket latley?...More good things to come ^

Can't quite figure out what is so funny about the previous posts, but Jordan and Lebanon are both extremely beautiful countries with crime rates that make our best cities here in the United States look like Compton...

Within Jordan you can visit the Dead Sea, the Red Sea (Jacques Cousteau did mention that his best deep sea diving was off the Jordanian coast of Aqaba), the oldest above ground church in the world (St. George Orthodox Cathedral in Madaba) dates back to the early third century along with many Roman and Nabateaan Ruins.

It is actually a very safe and beautiful country to visit.

it seems unwise to conflate crime and safety. http://travel.state.gov/travel/jordan.html says:

CRIME: Crime is generally not a serious problem for travelers in Jordan, but petty crime is prevalent in the downtown Amman Hashimiyah Square area and near the Roman Theater. In the narrow streets of the Old City, crowded conditions invite pickpockets and other petty criminals. It is safer to travel in groups when visiting the center of Amman.

SAFETY AND SECURITY: Visitors to Jordan are urged to review the most recent Worldwide Caution Public Announcement, and Middle East and North Africa Public Announcement (see below). The events of September 11, 2001 serve as a reminder of the continuing threat from transnational terrorists and extremist groups to Americans and American interests worldwide, and specifically in Jordan, where a U.S. diplomat was assassinated in October 2002.

Recent worldwide terrorist alerts have stated that extremist groups continue to plan terrorist attacks against U.S. interests in the region. Therefore, American and U.S. facilities, as well as sites frequented by Americans (including tourist spots, places of worship, residential areas, hotels, restaurants, and clubs), may be the target of terrorist groups. In light of these security concerns, U.S. citizens are urged to maintain a high level of vigilance and to take appropriate steps to increase their security awareness. Special sensitivity and caution should be exercised at religious sites, on holy days and the Friday Muslim Sabbath. Modest attire should be worn in deference to local custom.

Since late 1999, there has been a series of serious, confirmed terrorist threats and disrupted terrorist plots targeting U.S. interests in Jordan. In April 2004, Jordanian authorities disrupted a plan to attack the U.S. Embassy and Jordanian leadership sites with explosive-laden vehicles. Anti-Western sentiment, though less pronounced since the end of the Gulf War, has been sparked on occasion by incidents within the region, particularly those related to Israeli/Palestinian issues and to a lesser extent Iraq.

The ongoing violence in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza continues to have an impact on the security climate in Jordan. Pro-Palestinian demonstrations have occurred periodically throughout Jordan since violence between Israelis and Palestinians broke out in September 2000. Anti-U.S. sentiments are often in evidence at demonstrations and protests. At such times, Americans should avoid traditional gathering places such as universities, refugee camps, and city centers.

Visitors to Jordan and all U.S. citizens who reside in Jordan should maintain a strong security posture by being aware of surroundings, avoiding crowds and demonstrations, keeping a low profile, varying times and routes for all required travel, and notifying the nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate in case of any change in the local security situation. In addition, U.S. citizens are also urged to avoid contact with any suspicious, unfamiliar objects, and to report the presence of the objects to local authorities. Vehicles should not be left unattended, if at all possible, and should be kept locked at all times. U.S. Government personnel overseas have been advised to take the same precautions. Suspicious activities, individuals, or vehicles should be reported to the U.S. Embassy or nearest Consulate General

Hey don't get me wrong. I'm sure Jordan is a beautiful country. However, I value my vacation (and life) more than that. Why HP would choose RJ as compared to perhaps working on expanding their relationship with BA is beyond me.

Maybe a code share with Angola Airlines is next :rolleyes:

You may not have to keep them crossed that much longer. A hunch says that this is not the only partnership that HP is working on securing, just a baby step.

That's great news! You seem have some fairly well-informed friends, ;) so I'll look forward to some exciting announcements on this front in the months to come. Thanks!


You have to admit that some of the items on the 'want list' are slowing happening...The 737 are going away, more new Buses are showing up, routes are being added, things like the ability to change your seat at web check-in, better boarding procedures, improved First food, anyone had a hot pocket latley?...More good things to come ^

Amen, brother! ^ They've taken their share away from us this past year in terms of Flight Fund benefits, but, operationally, these moves are all very positive steps. No question about it.

That's great news! You seem have some fairly well-informed friends, ;) so I'll look forward to some exciting announcements on this front in the months to come. Thanks!




Amen, brother! ^ They've taken their share away from us this past year in terms of Flight Fund benefits, but, operationally, these moves are all very positive steps. No question about it.


I hate to say it but after eating the same chicken or shrimp pasta salad I .....um...kinda miss the ole' hotpocket :eek:

Sidenote: I do like the brownie they are offering instead of the venerable apple cobbler. Anyone else agree/disagree?

Now posted at americawest.com:

New FlightFund Partner - Royal Jordanian - Tentative effective date 11/1/04. You'll soon be able to earn and redeem miles on Royal Jordanian

Here are the details (http://www.americawest.com/flightfund/partners/ff_airlinetravel.htm) of the partnership:

-- One FlightFund mile for every mile flown on scheduled flights
-- Minimum of 500 miles credited per flight segment
-- Mileage earned on eligible fare classes only - Details (http://www.americawest.com/flightfund/partners/royal_jordanian_classes.htm)
-- 50% class of service bonus for Crown Class
-- Miles earned will not count towards Elite qualification
-- www.rja.com.jo

No awards or redemption levels yet listed on the Travel Award chart (http://www.americawest.com/flightfund/myffaccount/redeemingmiles/ff_redeemmiles.htm).

The Award Travel Chart (http://www.americawest.com/flightfund/myffaccount/redeemingmiles/ff_redeemmiles.htm) is now up.

From: Contiguous 48 U.S., Alaska, Canada, Mexico and Costa Rica to Middle East

Coach: 70,000
Business/First: 140,000


From: Contiguous 48 U.S., Alaska, Canada, Mexico and Costa Rica to North Africa (Many connections over-night in Amman Jordan)

Coach: 80,000
Business/First: 160,000


From: Contiguous 48 U.S., Alaska, Canada, Mexico and Costa Rica to Asia(Many connections over-night in Amman Jordan)

Coach: 90,000
Business/First: 180,000

Many of us feel starved for good partner relationships in the Flight Fund program and have been crossing our fingers and anxiously awaiting new additions. Given the issues above, this revelation doesn't do much for many of us. In short, it's an underwhelming addition to a mediocre slate of partnerships. Hence the sarcasm.

Originally Posted by SanDiegoShaun
You may not have to keep them crossed that much longer. A hunch says that this is not the only partnership that HP is working on securing, just a baby step.


That's great news! You seem have some fairly well-informed friends, ;) so I'll look forward to some exciting announcements on this front in the months to come. Thanks!

Originally Posted by SanDiegoShaun
You have to admit that some of the items on the 'want list' are slowing happening...The 737 are going away, more new Buses are showing up, routes are being added, things like the ability to change your seat at web check-in, better boarding procedures, improved First food, anyone had a hot pocket latley?...More good things to come


Amen, brother! ^ They've taken their share away from us this past year in terms of Flight Fund benefits, but, operationally, these moves are all very positive steps. No question about it.

And as Jeffeywol let out of the bag, the winner is Quantas
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=369113

Originally Posted by SanDiegoShaun
. . . You have to admit that some of the items on the 'want list' are slowing happening. . . More good things to come . . . And as Jeffeywol let out of the bag, the winner is Quantas

If the Qantas relationship is as it's being discussed, I can't exactly say this was on any 'want list' of mine.

As insignificant as the opportunity is, at least the Royal Jordanian partnership offers the chance to earn and spend Flight Fund miles.

If the Qantas relationship is as it's being discussed, I can't exactly say this was on any 'want list' of mine.

You've got to be kidding. :confused: Direct US-SYD flights to SYD?


As insignificant as the opportunity is, at least the Royal Jordanian partnership offers the chance to earn and spend Flight Fund miles.

QF is probably just testing the waters with HP. As I said in the other post... patience.

You've got to be kidding. :confused: Direct US-SYD flights to SYD?. . .

I don't understand. What am I missing?

Do you see this as a great thing because it offers the potential for expansion of the relationship at some point down the road, hopefully to include reciprocal frequent flyer benefits? And in the meantime, they'll pull QF flight numbers on HP flights and interline bags for you.

If that's what there is to be excited about, no I'm not kidding.

A venture/partnership of this size needs to be tested. It may be some time if ever that the partnership offers all the things that everyone one would want.

The bottom line is things are moving in the right direction, although agreed slower than what some of you would like. Remember the other true LCC's Jet Blue, Southwest, etc. don't have any air partners at all let alone international.

A venture/partnership of this size needs to be tested.
With all due respect, what's to test? This aint HP's first rodeo! BA started flights from LGW to PHX many years ago and started a full-on partnership with HP -- day one -- that was much more expansive than this. It continues to this day. QF, like BA, is a Oneworld partner. They talk to each other daily. Why does QF need to test HP?


It may be some time if ever that the partnership offers all the things that everyone one would want.
"All the things that everyone would want." My question remains: What, exactly, does this partnership, as it is currently being defined, offer to HP frequent fliers?


Remember the other true LCC's Jet Blue, Southwest, etc. don't have any air partners at all let alone international.
Again, with all due respect, this is a spurious argument. We are not talking about "Jet Blue, Southwest, etc." We're talking about America West, announcing these long-awaited, valuable additions to their weak line-up of international partners.

As someone who utilizes HP's frequent flyer miles almost exclusively for international premium cabin travel, the "other true LCC's Jet Blue, Southwest, etc." are of absolutely no interest to me. For me, they are not the competition. If the international partnerships weren't an option in the HP FF program, I'd be long gone, and, given my priorities, certainly not to Jet Blue or Southwest.

I'm obviously not alone, or HP, as the LCC carrier they've re-invented themselves to become, wouldn't be wasting their time focused on international codeshares. You don't see Jet Blue or Southwest setting up these arrangements. A large number of HP's coveted frequent business travelers have similar priorities -- or we would all be over at the more reliable Southwest Airlines (shiver!) earning coupons for free domestic trips (like we need more of those!).

My point is this: If they want to play in this game, then play -- like AS does, for example. But don't waste our time on these pretend alliances that offer little to no value to HP frequent travelers.

With all due respect, what's to test? This aint HP's first rodeo! BA started flights from LGW to PHX many years ago and started a full-on partnership with HP -- day one -- that was much more expansive than this. It continues to this day. QF, like BA, is a Oneworld partner. They talk to each other daily. Why does QF need to test HP?


Well obviosly they do otherwise you'd see a more expansive codeshare.
Last I looked, BA and QF were two differnt companies. What makes you think that what works for one airline automatically works for another?


"All the things that everyone would want." My question remains: What, exactly, does this partnership, as it is currently being defined, offer to HP frequent fliers?


Nothing. Why are you jumping HP's case for the conditions of an agreement that were obviously dictated by QF? Do you honestly believe that HP demanded such limited codeshare? :rolleyes:

Just as with the RJ partnership it serves mostly as a income/exposure opportunity for HP. If this goes good, I'm sure QF will expand the agreement later. Having BA and QF as partners will only serve to help HP when they look to partner with other airlines


We're talking about America West, announcing these long-awaited, valuable additions to their weak line-up of international partners.


:rolleyes:

I wouldn't call BA,VS,NW,RJ, and now QF(hopefully) a weak lineup. Ok so it's not Oneworld, or Star, but for a LCC that's not bad at all.


As someone who utilizes HP's frequent flyer miles almost exclusively for international premium cabin travel...


all using HP's weak lineup of partners I assume.


My point is this: If they want to play in this game, then play -- like AS does, for example.


Obviously you fail to see AS' dominance over the Pacific Northwest which is unmatched by any other airline. That's the only reason why BA,CX,QF,AA, LA, and others are partnered with AS.

HP has no such dominance over the Southwest(outside of Arizona). Yes, they're a large player, but WN also operates in this region as do others.

This is why it's important for HP to build up LAX operations. They need to raise the profile of their network by operating more routes that are not flown by AA or AS. LAX-Grand Canyon/ABQ/SLC immediately come to mind.

As LAX is big with asian carriers, it would also help when/if they attempt to partner with CX or SQ.


But don't waste our time on these pretend alliances that offer little to no value to HP frequent travelers.

Not everything an airline does is for the direct benefit of "AZ Travels the World". Just because you won't benefit from a particular codeshare doesn't mean it presents no value to the airline. HP only stands to gain from any additional revenue from incoming RJ traffic not to mention intl exposure.

. . . Well obviosly they do . . .
. . . Last I looked. . .
. . . :rolleyes: . . .
. . . all using HP's weak lineup of partners I assume. . .
. . . Do you honestly believe . . .
. . . :rolleyes: . . .
. . . Obviously you fail to see . . .

. . . Not everything an airline does is for the direct benefit of "AZ Travels the World". . .

I'm very clear that HP doesn't base their actions on my preferences. That's not my expectation. This isn't personal. It is the perspective of one person, who is one of their largest customers, who spends an extraordinary amount of time on their airplanes and involved with their company and who has opinions about the way they earn and keep my loyalty. Not unlike yourself. Why the rancorous tone and personalization?

Back to the topic at hand...

America West Will Be the Only US Carrier Offering Nonstop Code-Share Service Between the US and Jordan

PHOENIX, Nov. 9 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- America West Airlines (NYSE: AWA), the nation's second largest low-cost carrier, today announced the expansion of its marketing agreement with Royal Jordanian, the full-service, international carrier serving more than 50 destinations in the Middle East, Far East, North Africa, Europe and North America. Effective November 8, America West began placing its code on Royal Jordanian flights between Amman, Jordan and New York/JFK, Chicago/O'Hare, and Detroit. With this code-share expansion, America West is the only US carrier able to directly market nonstop service between the US and Jordan.

Passengers on the West Coast also benefit, with convenient one-stop service to Jordan now available from Phoenix, Las Vegas, San Francisco and Los Angeles. In addition, members of America West's award-winning FlightFund program and Royal Jordanian's Royal Plus program can accrue and redeem miles on all scheduled flights operated by either airline, and America West Club members and Royal Jordanian elite members receive access to both airlines' lounges. To book a ticket, customers may call America West at 1-800-2-FLY-AWA (1-800-235-9292) or contact their travel agent. For additional information, customers may also visit www.americawest.com/alliances. . .

Full release is here. (http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=100552&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=641985&highlight=)