Newsstand - Feds want OK to frisk air travelers

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Pretty slick to announce this well into a three-day weekend during hurricane and Clinton surgery coverage, hoping nobody would notice.

WASHINGTON - Transportation Security Administration officials want approval to frisk air travelers in the wake of the deadly twin airliner bombings in Russia last month, sources said yesterday.

A toolbox full of options" to improve air safety was presented to Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge last week, including patting down air passengers, a federal source confirmed.

TSA officials also want to be able to order passengers to remove coats during security screenings, according to details of the proposals first reported by Time magazine yesterday.



Guess we should decide who goes first for a random home search -- for our own safety.

Forgot the link: http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/229426p-196884c.html

They have been telling us to take our coats off for years at the WTMD. What more do they want now?

"It's a short-term set of steps to combat this explosives threat," the homeland security source said.

Hell no!

Just like Admiral James Loy's lies about stupid rules going away, this 'short-term' solution will become written in Stone.

Admiral Stone, stop harassing passengers for their pool cues and put in those Ionscan Sentinels or GE EntryScans.

The TSA has gone too far this time. When will we take a good look at ourselves and say enough is enough? The administration MUST reign in the TSA lest we have no more liberties in our democracy.

The only way to protest the loss of our 4th amendment rights and maybe regain them - is to not allow the TSA or anyone to search you. This also will mean that you can not fly. It also may mean that the airlines go out of business quicker than the government expects. And, the government owned and controlled airline will be in place to decide who gets to travel and who does not sooner than expected.

I flew last in Dec. of 2001 when I was frisked at the gate in order to board. At that time they were randomly selecting for this extra search. It is costly in both time and money to have to drive everywhere. It is also only a matter of time I suspect before roadside searches become common - for our safety.

The longer the public allows these searches the more likely it is that home searches will become a reality. The laws have passed in case anyone is unaware that allow your home to be searched by the feds without any notice to you - and if you are not home they do not have to mention that the search took place.

Another answer: http://www.projectsafeskies.org/

I was glad to read that more FT'ers are realizing that the supposed security at the airports is a farce. In 2001 most of the responses here were - "what ever it takes to be safe". It's way past time that people stand up and try to hang on to our constitution.

It's way past time that people stand up and try to hang on to our constitution.

Good luck. ^

I fear the liberties in the U.S. & Canada that we hold dear are slipping away like sand through an hourglass, soon to disappear completely. And the ironic part is the government tells us it's all in the name of a safer country. :rolleyes:

Won't frisking find just as many body cavity explosives as removing shoes will?

Won't frisking find just as many body cavity explosives as removing shoes will?

Yup. 0.0

tcook052

Don't just wish me luck. Join me!

tcook052

Don't just wish me luck. Join me!

Okay, I will. My first horror story comes in the form of an article I happened to read this a.m.:

www.dodgeglobe.com/stories/091104/opinions_091104059.shtml

It's about a writer who suffered the blacklisting of the 50's who is seeing the same conditions reappear in the U.S. today, except the fear factor isn't the Commies but terrorists. I have heard similiar stories about my own symbol of law & order, the RCMP or The Mounties. Seems they've also been up to the same tricks and 'interviewing' anti-government protesters, some of whom are under surveillence because of the views they hold. :td: So much for the freedoms we all thought we had enshrined in the Constitution and the Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms.

Time to stand up and reclaim our respective countries before it's too late.

BTW, sorry to derail the topic at hand with my rant but as you can tell, it's a subject I care a great deal about.

My new mode of travel - on the highways - has presented it's own problems.

We need to travel regularly through Arizona to get to Nevada. We have been stopped on the highway coming out of Flagstaff going only three miles over the limit. The policeman said "this is a common drug route" so we are always on patrol here. After the warning ticket was written for the horrendous three miles over the limit he had a few more seemingly innocent questions. Where are you going? What's in your truck? He stopped short of asking to search or we'd have been on the side of the road waiting for the drug dogs like my son was for refusing to allow an unconstitutional search.

We can no longer continue traveling over the Hoover Dam because they have a roadblock set up to search each vehicle. Many granted are just passed by, but it's the principle of it. So now we go through Laughlin which is an extra 50 or so miles to continue on through Nevada.

We are unfortunately no longer free to travel. It's just a matter of time before we we will be required to carry "our papers".

We are unfortunately no longer free to travel. It's just a matter of time before we we will be required to carry "our papers".

It will be a cold day in hell first. Unless someone can convince me that identity = security, which of course it does not.

Just more erosion of our rights in the name of "Homeland Security" by this administration....Just think of four more years of looking for WMD's in the trunk of your car.

ender83 said: "It will be a cold day in hell first. Unless someone can convince me that identity = security, which of course it does not."

Each time you fly you show your drivers license/National ID card to get you accustomed to just such searches.

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A vote for the lessor of two evils is still a vote for evil. Vote Libertarian. See www.Badnarik.org

We need to travel regularly through Arizona to get to Nevada. We have been stopped on the highway coming out of Flagstaff going only three miles over the limit. The policeman said "this is a common drug route" so we are always on patrol here. After the warning ticket was written for the horrendous three miles over the limit he had a few more seemingly innocent questions. Where are you going? What's in your truck? He stopped short of asking to search or we'd have been on the side of the road waiting for the drug dogs like my son was for refusing to allow an unconstitutional search.Check out this story (http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=4833). A law abiding citizen was arrested in December, 2002 on Arizona Route 86 at a similar roadblock:Last night while travelling back to Tucson after working the day at Kitt Peak, I was detained/arrested at a police check point in the Tohono O'odham Reservation - Pima County, Arizona. The check point was a joint task force operation involving the Tohono O'odham police, U.S. Customs, and INS/Border Patrol. Below appears my account of the events that transpired. ...A complete set of updates on the incident, still winding through the courts, can be found at http://www.terrybressi.org/

Actually, if you want to slow down TSA, it is within your rights to request a private screening if selected for a search.

It's also within your constitutional rights to refuse the search! It will mean that you don't travel by air.

Freedom is not Free

Freedom is not FreeI thought it was "Freedom's just another word for 'Nothing left to lose.'"

It's also within your constitutional rights to refuse the search! It will mean that you don't travel by air.

Freedom is not Free

There was some discussion of something like this in a thread about a year ago. Some held the opinion that if you enter the checkpoint, you can elect not to fly (by refusing to be searched) but they are still within their rights to search you.

Can we hear from some people with statute or case law on this?

I thought it was "Freedom's just another word for 'Nothing left to lose.'"

I can't type that without singing it! ;)

I thought it was "Freedom's just another word for 'Nothing left to lose.'"

O.K., now you've got that song stuck in my head, care to aleviate my suffering with an artist name? Sounds vaguely country and/or western. Is it Willie Nelson?

O.K., now you've got that song stuck in my head, care to aleviate my suffering with an artist name? Sounds vaguely country and/or western. Is it Willie Nelson?

Kris Kristofferson wrote the song and it was first popularized by Roger Miller in 1969. The definitive rendition IMHO is by Janis Joplin from 1971. Lyrics here (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/k/kris-kristofferson/80506.html).

It's also within your constitutional rights to refuse the search! It will mean that you don't travel by air.

Freedom is not Free

Am I the only one here who feels like ROTFLMAO whenever I hear "land of the free and home of the brave" now? It's either laugh or cry.

I fear the liberties in the U.S. & Canada that we hold dear are slipping away like sand through an hourglass, soon to disappear completely. And the ironic part is the government tells us it's all in the name of a safer country. :rolleyes:

The government has to take away our liberty in order to protect it. What don't you understand about that? Are you a terrorist?

It's also within your constitutional rights to refuse the search! It will mean that you don't travel by air.



If you aren't a terrorist then you have no reason to refuse a search - just ask lawdawg. Ergo, if you don't travel by air you are a terrorist. I'm calling the TIPS hotline right now to report GDIW to John Ashcroft.

The government has to take away our liberty in order to protect it. What don't you understand about that? Are you a terrorist?

Very Good - LOL
I believe that is the way it has worked throughout history.

If you aren't a terrorist then you have no reason to refuse a search - just ask lawdawg. Ergo, if you don't travel by air you are a terrorist. I'm calling the TIPS hotline right now to report GDIW to John Ashcroft.

JUST a minute...

How do we know YOU'RE not the terrorist and you're just ratting out GDIW to throw suspicion off of YOU??

Maybe some other tips to Ashcroft need to be made here!

Kris Kristofferson wrote the song and it was first popularized by Roger Miller in 1969. The definitive rendition IMHO is by Janis Joplin from 1971. Lyrics here (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/k/kris-kristofferson/80506.html).


I hate to give my age away, but I was hearing Janis too. I think I've heard Willie sing it as well, but then Janis didn't have a very long career. I can't imagine Roger Miller singing that right after King of the Road??


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