US Airways Dividend Miles (Pre-FlightFund Merger) - Is it impolite to UG w/infants?

My wife and I have twin 14 month olds - is it rude to other F pax to UG with them? Or should I care? :D

My wife and I have twin 14 month olds - is it rude to other F pax to UG with them? Or should I care? :D

LOL - Just do it.

But... let me know what flight you are on :p ;)

My wife and I have twin 14 month olds - is it rude to other F pax to UG with them? Or should I care? :D
You are considerate to care, but should not hesitate to UG if it's open to you.

First off, you earned it, right? Second, being stuck with an infant (in a non-exit row, of course) in a cramped coach seat is awful, so do yourself a favor.

I admit that if given a choice, I'd probably prefer not to have an infant in the seat next to me in F. (Since you are 2 adults, you're probably not going to be sitting right next to anyone else.) Then again, many of the adult seatmates I encounter are no prize either, and -- unlike an infant -- ought to be more capable of moderating their behaviors/habits.

IMHO, other passengers in F should just suck it up if the baby cries. That's life; mitigate the harm by conducting in-depth Vodka Reporting instead of getting bent out of shape. And the FAs can help a lot here, both in assisting the parent(s) and in giving other F pax lots of attention/snax/tasty beverages.

Anyone who thinks he's too important to be in the same cabin as an infant needs to get over himself, methinks.

An infant pays, what 10% of the adult fare? so on an UG do they pay 10% of the full F fare? Just curious...

mitigate the harm by conducting in-depth Vodka Reporting instead of getting bent out of shape. And the FAs can help a lot here, both in assisting the parent(s) and in giving other F pax lots of attention/snax/tasty beverages.


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Bring on the infants (I love babies :D)

An infant pays, what 10% of the adult fare? so on an UG do they pay 10% of the full F fare? Just curious...

Generally, as a lap child they fly for free domestically until 2 years old, internationally it's 10% of the adult fare (and yes, if you upgrade to Envoy, that's 10% of the full, unrestricted Envoy fare - without a seat!). After that, depending on the market, there may be child fares or not.

There was a time when I would have said no, but now that I'm older (aka, an adult) I'd say go for it and you have my sympathy regardless of where you sit. The people I feel most sorry for are the mom's traveling alone with kids. Why don't I ever see a man traveling alone with a baby? Oh well. They carry their bag, the baby's bag and like ten different car seats and strollers down the jetway and all of us busy business people roll our eyes. I'd rather have a crying baby than a loud talking rude person in F any day...at least I can tell myself the upset child doesn't know he/she is keeping me awake.

There are varying degrees as to whether it is rude or not. I once had a kid in front of me (without a sippy cup) that dumped his whole drink between the seats and onto my laptop case. He was running up and down the aisle and causing all sorts of havoc (FAs trying not to run into him) That's rude.

Will your kids scream bloody murder the entire flight? Probably not, but some parents have no clue how to care for their kids in flight. On ascent and descent the change in pressure affects their ears and they naturally start to cry. Smart parents give their kids a bottle or a boob during these times and it saves everyone and the parents a lot of discomfort. Depending on age, coloring books, dvd players, card games all come in handy from you becoming "that parent"

Generally the degree of rudeness is more determined by the skill/attitude of the parents than the kids.

There are varying degrees as to whether it is rude or not. I once had a kid in front of me (without a sippy cup) that dumped his whole drink between the seats and onto my laptop case. He was running up and down the aisle and causing all sorts of havoc (FAs trying not to run into him) That's rude.

Will your kids scream bloody murder the entire flight? Probably not, but some parents have no clue how to care for their kids in flight. On ascent and descent the change in pressure affects their ears and they naturally start to cry. Smart parents give their kids a bottle or a boob during these times and it saves everyone and the parents a lot of discomfort. Depending on age, coloring books, dvd players, card games all come in handy from you becoming "that parent"

Generally the degree of rudeness is more determined by the skill/attitude of the parents than the kids.

This doesnt only occur in the air, most "crazy" kids, the ones that run around stores, restaurants, etc are a direct result of their parents not giving a rats ... about anyone else in the world, now this kind of thing ticks me off. However, by posting here you are already demonstrating that you care about other peoples space. I wouldnt worry about it, take em, take care of em, if anyone thinks thats a cry here or there is out of line, we will arrange an FT mob to stampede them in a jetway.

This doesnt only occur in the air, most "crazy" kids, the ones that run around stores, restaurants, etc are a direct result of their parents not giving a rats ... about anyone else in the world, now this kind of thing ticks me off. However, by posting here you are already demonstrating that you care about other peoples space. I wouldnt worry about it, take em, take care of em, if anyone thinks thats a cry here or there is out of line, we will arrange an FT mob to stampede them in a jetway.

Amen. I used to want to stragle some kids (in F and in Y), but have come to realize that strangling the parents of said children would be the thing to do. I've since acquired a nice set of NC headphones, and have no hesitation about asking the parents of "seat climbers and kickers" to restrain them before more drastic action is needed.

On one flight, a parent brought along a portable DVD player--with no headphones--for their child to watch. Of course, the volume was loud. It was terrible.

That being said, I'd rather deal with infants than annoying adults. A drunk businessman in first class or a stupid parent are much more annoying to me than a crying baby.

I have no problem with infants in first class as long as the adult takes responsibility for them.

As long as the FA doesn't run out of gin or wine! Seriously, I agree with most other posters - if the child stays with you and doesn't wander through the cabin who cares. Of course, we do expect that all diapers be changed promptly! ;)

If ya'll think that's bad, I was on a PIT-IAH flight in F where I was seated next to a 11 year old girl who was traveling as a UMNR. She immediately proceeded to walk up and down the aisle of the 319 and ask people if they would give her $$$$$. Oooohhh..she got railed by that "A" f/a when she was delivered to mom and dad in IAH.

By all means upgrade with your child to first. We have traveled with our 14 month old on several trips in first and received nothing but compliments and kind remarks from fellow passengers. I also second the comments above regarding uncaring parents, if there is an out of control child on the airplane blame the parents not the kid.

The FTers have spoken, so I'm on the UG list. In the interest of maximizing my chances of a UG and to minimize your chances of sitting next to an "I" in F: we'll be on Flt 208 CLT-DCA on Friday 7/30 at 4PM or so, so if I were you, I'd pick another flight! :p

Thanks for the input. If they get too loud, we'll let them do some vodka research. :D

we'll be on Flt 208 CLT-DCA on Friday 7/30 at 4PM or so, so if I were you, I'd pick another flight! :p

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Best technique yet to make sure all the CPs stayed away and secure an upgrade :D

Thanks for the input. If they get too loud, we'll let them do some vodka research. :D

:eek: :cool: :p :D

I don't believe you will actually be able to sit next to each other sitting in first class, only one infant is allowed in each 2 seats as there is only 3 masks above 2 seats.

Hope this helps.

Mike-BOS

Bring the little crumb catcher, rugrat, curtain climber, linoleum lizard BEFORE they turn into yard apes! LOL

Seriously I prefer infants and toddlers over what at times can be extremely annoying 7 to 12 year olds depending on the skills of the parents.

Afterall, you earn miles to take your family on trips to cool places.

My only request would be to make sure you keep their contribution to the beautiful pen artwork on the back of the seats at a minimum ;)

Thanks for the input. If they get too loud, we'll let them do some vodka research. :D

I was going to make a remark about a green mickey and finlandia, at the risk of losing the moderator title :p .

Seriously I prefer infants and toddlers over what at times can be extremely annoying 7 to 12 year olds depending on the skills of the parents.

I tend to agree with this, with the exception of the scream of an infant (you know, the one that comes out of nowhere and can break glass).

Sure, go ahead, just make sure they fit comfortably in the overhead luggage bin! :D

Okay I'm not too keen on infants anywhere near me. I'm just not a baby person. I understand why they cry etc etc yadda yadda, and I don't DISLIKE them, it's just that on a long flight when I'm trying to read or god forbid sleep.. 120db of caterwauling infant at point blank range is not much fun.

My sincere advice to you is to make sure and take at least a couple spare pacifiers with you. Nothing hushes them up faster than that and personally, I think they oughta be standard in every flight kit! :) It's actually useful because it helps them equalize the pressure in their ears, and that, by itself, can be a huge relief for them, you and everyone around you.

Regards,
-Bouncer-

I was extremely tolerant of Johnnie Depp and his two toddlers on a recent transatlantic flight :)

What's a couple of B-RATS when you got all these roaches in FC.

My view is that because there are people in coach who hate children, and there are people in First Class who hate children, why suffer in coach if you don't have to?

Because you have children, and children are a popular punching bag these days (this thread being just an example), people will hate you no matter where you sit, so there really are no favors being done to anyone else by staying in coach.

There are varying degrees as to whether it is rude or not. I once had a kid in front of me (without a sippy cup) that dumped his whole drink between the seats and onto my laptop case. He was running up and down the aisle and causing all sorts of havoc (FAs trying not to run into him) That's rude.

Will your kids scream bloody murder the entire flight? Probably not, but some parents have no clue how to care for their kids in flight. On ascent and descent the change in pressure affects their ears and they naturally start to cry. Smart parents give their kids a bottle or a boob during these times and it saves everyone and the parents a lot of discomfort. Depending on age, coloring books, dvd players, card games all come in handy from you becoming "that parent"

Generally the degree of rudeness is more determined by the skill/attitude of the parents than the kids.


Neo is right. Of all the flights I work on at my airline, I find it is all in how the parents deal with their children. I have seen some of the most unruly rude children, and I have seen well behaved angels. It is how the parents deal with it that affect it.
Now I am sure Neo would like that screaming child to sit next to one of us employees in first class. :D Just kidding Neo, even though we do disagee on the employee class.

My view is that because there are people in coach who hate children, and there are people in First Class who hate children, why suffer in coach if you don't have to?

Because you have children, and children are a popular punching bag these days (this thread being just an example), people will hate you no matter where you sit, so there really are no favors being done to anyone else by staying in coach.

Yes but since these are not the only brats on the plane, confine them to the largest area, coach.

ITRADE Jr. has traveled twice in F with Mr. and Mrs. ITRADE. Both trips were fine (although both trips involved him traveling before the age of 12 months). The get more cantankerous as they approach 18 months.

First time was in F as a lap child. Second time was as a paying passenger. The next trip will also be as a paying passenger.

Yes but since these are not the only brats on the plane, confine them to the largest area, coach.

Au contraire -- that larger cabin has far more seats than its size would suggest, and the result is that strangers are much closer to the children. This clearly argues for the upgrade route.

IMHO, the original poster spoke volumes about her situation by being concerned in the first place. You can bet this person is sensitive and caring about those around her (else she wouldn't have asked at all!). Given that, she should feel thoroughly comfortable booking in F.

I think most of us would agree it is the increasing social opinion of so many persons these days that they can dammm well do whatever they please and no one had better question them on it. This is why we find ourselves next to people who are laughing and chatting away on their cell phones at obnoxious levels -- oblivious to the reality that they are seriously annoying dozens of folks nearby.

Far worse, in my experience, than an infant in F is the typical football-player-sized businessman in F who has had about 4 or 5 drinks and talks V E R Y L O U D L Y to the seatmate next to him. This happens about 35% of the time, in my experience and has caused me on several occasions to leave F and find a seat in row 17 or so. Drives me absolutely wild. Just like people in hotels who watch TV at astronomical volume levels....... oblivious!!

Just for the record....I'm a guy. :D

Again, remember: go F on Flt 208 on 7/30 at your own risk!!!! There's a very nice flight that leaves about 5:30 - that's the one YOU want! ;)

Of course, we do expect that all diapers be changed promptly! ;)

And not on the seat. In the lav.

Well, then, don't complain about the smell other than during those rare times that the seatbelt sign is off and there's no line for the lavatory.

Yes, it is rude. Especially on a redeye. Even worse to steal seats from hard-working roaches for non-lap kids. Wives and children take the hindmost!

When I take my wretched family along, we infest the back. Somehow it is not as bad to be cheek by jowl with your own flash and blood as it is to be intimate with a portly consultant from LGA.

I guess the answer is if they are weel behaved, there is no problem :) , however infants are unpredictable.

I burned 100,000 miles for a first class Lufthansa flight to Berlin yesterday, and there was a two year old in FIRST :eek: , and mostly the experience was ruined for me.

But I guess those are the rules. I am single and no kids, so I don´t know what I would do in that situation . . .

I have done this two or three times with Mrs. Delta Hog and the little DH. The best advice is what some have said about controlling your kids. I know this can be almost impossible with infant, but employ all the strategies you have. I fly all the time FC on business by myself, and I certainly don't think businessmen should rule the cabin. Kids belong up there as much as I do, if they qualify. Still, things can happen. Let me give you my worst personal example.

STL-SEA first class on TWA just before it ceased to exist. Little DH was about 8 months old. We did not yet know he was prone to projectile vomiting. Actually, we learned it on this trip. 1.5 hours in, I was burping him when he just let loose all over me and some on the missus. I mean buckets -- ever seen "The Meaning of Life?" Like that. Didn't bring any extra clothes in the carry-ons. Went to the bathroom and cleaned up the best I could, as did the missus. Still, sat the next 2 hours reeking of vomit, as did the missus. I'm quite sure the first-classers weren't too happy with that one, but no one said anything. Maybe they felt too sorry for us. :(

YES! Very impolite. In fact if the babies are not going for a kidney translate I say they should never fly until they are at least 6 years old and know how to keep their mouths shut and butts in the seat.

YES! Very impolite. In fact if the babies are not going for a kidney translate I say they should never fly until they are at least 6 years old and know how to keep their mouths shut and butts in the seat.

Is this your idea of a joke or are you just a troll?

Go ahead.

There's a lot of whining going on in first all the time anyways.

I don't know which would whine more in first, and infant or 1K on an UG :D :D :D :D :D

Seems to me that the real question is...does one do all that one is able to do or only what one SHOULD do? Do you say "screw everyone else" or do you show consideration for others?

Some relevant situations...

Do you take oversized wheel-on luggage on board and swear that it should fit in the overhead?

In a crowded plane do you put both carry-ons in the bin?

Do you let kids loudly disrupt a meal in a decent restaurant?

Do you recline as far back as the seat will go?

Should the FA roost up front before doors close because he/she "isn't working yet"?

Life in a society requires some restraint of selfishness and consideration of others.

Is this your idea of a joke or are you just a troll?

He's either a very good friend of DENPremEx or one and the same. They're both one joke wonders (organ transplant, committing parents to mental hospitals) and confirmed child haters. In any case, they're both no good trolls. :td: :td: :td:

He's either a very good friend of DENPremEx or one and the same. They're both one joke wonders (organ transplant, committing parents to mental hospitals) and confirmed child haters. In any case, they're both no good trolls. :td: :td: :td:

Ad hominem attacks are the sign of a weak argument or an inept debater. Can't you address his points rather than insulting someone that none of us know?

Ad hominem attacks are the sign of a weak argument or an inept debater. Can't you address his points rather than insulting someone that none of us know?

If you're looking for attacks, look no further than those two. If you need proof, DENPremEX's attack on me was deleted by the moderator, so I can't show you. However, I can forward you an even worse and very low personal mail he sent to me after that. That was in the thread about upgrading with a child on a transatlantic flight. I know you remember that thread, because you responded, in a none to compassionate fashion - adding nothing of value or substance to the discussion, by the way. It leads me to think you can't stand children in airplanes, either.

You ask me if I couldn't address his points rather than "insulting" him. I would, but he has no point in this matter, and neither do you.

Joke? just a troll? Sorry but the answer to both is no. As for single and confirmed child hater? Married for 10 years with infant twin girls, thank you very much. For the past year I have been Gold on US and 1K on United with a few thousand miles on others such as BA. Any other questions? Sorry but I thought that Flyer Talk was an open exchange of ideas and I did not realize that only approved views were allowed to be posted.

The question was if it was Rude and my reply was Yes as this is what I really think. Next time maybe all new questions should post the question and a list of acceptable replies. I can not tell you how many times I have flown and seen those with a infant traveling in first and for the life of me I just do not get it. Last trip was to Cancun where this lovely 9 month old was joining mommy and daddy on holiday. Give me a break! Now I know that kids these days rule most homes and that they are just so adorable but in my home mommy and daddy are in charge. During 1 week vacations our little bundle of joys do just fine with their grandparents. If the other grandparents want to see the babies, we pay for them to fly from LAX to PHL to see them. If this was not a option for us we would simply forgo any vacation for the few years until they are older and able to control themselves. Lets put all this under the heading of being considerate to others. I know that in this day and age it is all about us and only our happiness matters but I am sick of not being able to sleep due to a kid crying for hours at a time or another brat kicking the back of my seat or running up and down the plane. I am also sick and tired of the fact that if I do not look at the brat with a “ah, isn’t he cure” look than I’m somehow an uncaring monster.

So just for the record my comment is that unless there is a medical emergency where flying is the only option, please consider the rest of us and keep that sweet angle at home.

Joke? just a troll? Sorry but the answer to both is no. As for single and confirmed child hater? Married for 10 years with infant twin girls, thank you very much. For the past year I have been Gold on US and 1K on United with a few thousand miles on others such as BA. Any other questions? Sorry but I thought that Flyer Talk was an open exchange of ideas and I did not realize that only approved views were allowed to be posted.

The question was if it was Rude and my reply was Yes as this is what I really think. Next time maybe all new questions should post the question and a list of acceptable replies. I can not tell you how many times I have flown and seen those with a infant traveling in first and for the life of me I just do not get it. Last trip was to Cancun where this lovely 9 month old was joining mommy and daddy on holiday. Give me a break! Now I know that kids these days rule most homes and that they are just so adorable but in my home mommy and daddy are in charge. During 1 week vacations our little bundle of joys do just fine with their grandparents. If the other grandparents want to see the babies, we pay for them to fly from LAX to PHL to see them. If this was not a option for us we would simply forgo any vacation for the few years until they are older and able to control themselves. Lets put all this under the heading of being considerate to others. I know that in this day and age it is all about us and only our happiness matters but I am sick of not being able to sleep due to a kid crying for hours at a time or another brat kicking the back of my seat or running up and down the plane. I am also sick and tired of the fact that if I do not look at the brat with a “ah, isn’t he cure” look than I’m somehow an uncaring monster.

So just for the record my comment is that unless there is a medical emergency where flying is the only option, please consider the rest of us and keep that sweet angle at home.

Was this reply clear enough for you? Look at me, I just made a POINT! How about that?

PS. Just for the record I have never had a post deleted nor I have ever attacked anybody - So whatever your issues are with others, please make sure they stay with them and not on me.

It leads me to think you can't stand children in airplanes, either.




Actually, the kids don't bother me. It is their indulgent, selfish parents who fail to keep their spawn on their best behavior that get under my skin. But even they don't bother me too much...in my maturity I've come to realize that one can't expect good behavior from most people; so I put on headphones, drink what passes for bourbon on U, and chill.

Cheers!

Now that this thread is rapidly becoming the Internet's most vernable tradition, a flamefest, I thought I'd join in and say it is fine to upgrade childen, I think it's only fair to allow parents to upgrade them to the heated, pressurized section of the cargo compartment!

<ducking>

Was this reply clear enough for you? Look at me, I just made a POINT! How about that?

PS. Just for the record I have never had a post deleted nor I have ever attacked anybody - So whatever your issues are with others, please make sure they stay with them and not on me.

phillyd2, yes, you did make a point. You spelled out your point of view, and even if I don't agree with it, it helps understand where you're coming from.

As for the deleted post, I did not mean to insinuate that you were involved in any way.

Actually, the kids don't bother me. It is their indulgent, selfish parents who fail to keep their spawn on their best behavior that get under my skin.

Now we're getting to the heart of it. Couldn't agree with you more.

Joke? just a troll? Sorry but the answer to both is no. As for single and confirmed child hater? Married for 10 years with infant twin girls, thank you very much. For the past year I have been Gold on US and 1K on United with a few thousand miles on others such as BA. Any other questions? Sorry but I thought that Flyer Talk was an open exchange of ideas and I did not realize that only approved views were allowed to be posted.

The question was if it was Rude and my reply was Yes as this is what I really think. Next time maybe all new questions should post the question and a list of acceptable replies. I can not tell you how many times I have flown and seen those with a infant traveling in first and for the life of me I just do not get it. Last trip was to Cancun where this lovely 9 month old was joining mommy and daddy on holiday. Give me a break! Now I know that kids these days rule most homes and that they are just so adorable but in my home mommy and daddy are in charge. During 1 week vacations our little bundle of joys do just fine with their grandparents. If the other grandparents want to see the babies, we pay for them to fly from LAX to PHL to see them. If this was not a option for us we would simply forgo any vacation for the few years until they are older and able to control themselves. Lets put all this under the heading of being considerate to others. I know that in this day and age it is all about us and only our happiness matters but I am sick of not being able to sleep due to a kid crying for hours at a time or another brat kicking the back of my seat or running up and down the plane. I am also sick and tired of the fact that if I do not look at the brat with a “ah, isn’t he cure” look than I’m somehow an uncaring monster.

So just for the record my comment is that unless there is a medical emergency where flying is the only option, please consider the rest of us and keep that sweet angle at home.

I couldn't tell from your original post if you were being sarcastic or just trying to ignite a flame war.

Now that that is settled let me just say that if you got the cash or miles and you want to bring the offspring up front go ahead. I certainly do. If an infant cries, so be it. They are known to do that. However, if a toddler is running amok in the plane that's a different story. The parent must control the kids and restrict their movements.

... During 1 week vacations our little bundle of joys do just fine with their grandparents. If the other grandparents want to see the babies, we pay for them to fly from LAX to PHL to see them. If this was not a option for us we would simply forgo any vacation for the few years until they are older and able to control themselves. Lets put all this under the heading of being considerate to others. I know that in this day and age it is all about us and only our happiness matters but I am sick of not being able to sleep due to a kid crying for hours at a time or another brat kicking the back of my seat or running up and down the plane. I am also sick and tired of the fact that if I do not look at the brat with a “ah, isn’t he cure” look than I’m somehow an uncaring monster.

So just for the record my comment is that unless there is a medical emergency where flying is the only option, please consider the rest of us and keep that sweet angle at home.

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That's great for you, but what would you do in my situation? Sweeping generalizations don't work very well.

In the last two years, three of my four grandparents have died. All four have been unable to travel for the last 10 years. I have three children whose current age ranges from 4 to 9.

Which of the three would you have done?

1) never taken the kids to visit their great-grandparents, which means my three of the four grandparents would have never seen their great-grandchildren

2) drive 2,000 miles to see them, wasting six days on the road and spending $1,000 more than necessary (mostly from additional vacation days)

3) put them on a plane and deal with it

Do you not understand the difference between 4 & 9 year olds and infants? Unless you are one of these new modern parents who have not taught your kids any discipline (Oh Billy, please sit down. Billy, mommy asked you nicely, please stop kicking the seat...) then they should be old enough to sit in a seat for a few hours and not disrupt others. However, your "deal with it comments" gives me doubts.

Note to phillyd2: avoid flight 208 clt-dca this friday. 3 days out it's 7's across the board, so I like my chances.

Do you not understand the difference between 4 & 9 year olds and infants? Unless you are one of these new modern parents who have not taught your kids any discipline (Oh Billy, please sit down. Billy, mommy asked you nicely, please stop kicking the seat...) then they should be old enough to sit in a seat for a few hours and not disrupt others. However, your "deal with it comments" gives me doubts.

Do you not understand the fact that two years ago, my four year old was age two, and that four years ago, my four year old was an infant?

Read my post again. Two years ago all four of my grandparents were alive (as well as four years ago, obviously). Today only one is alive.

Please stop rambling and just answer the question as to what you would have done if you were in my shoes (two and four years ago to be exact).

If an infant cries, so be it. They are known to do that. However, if a toddler is running amok in the plane that's a different story.

Exactly. A kid running around or kicking the seats drives me nuts. A crying baby, while somewhat annoying, doesn't impose on my personal space and frankly, the planes are quite noisy anyway and babies do stop crying eventually. The best kids are the ones that come well-equipped with their own food, toys, books, DVD player, whatever they need to keep occupied.

I do find it somewhat annoying when a child (ie, small person who would fit comfortably into a coach seat) is taking up a nice big comfy chair at the front of the plane. But, it's ridiculous to expect the parents to be seated away from their kids-What if there is an emergency? How can they keep their kids from kicking seatbacks from the other end of the plane?

Do you not understand the fact that two years ago, my four year old was age two, and that four years ago, my four year old was an infant?

Read my post again. Two years ago all four of my grandparents were alive (as well as four years ago, obviously). Today only one is alive.

Please stop rambling and just answer the question as to what you would have done if you were in my shoes (two and four years ago to be exact).

Is it just me or is this the stupidest thread ever? Sorry to RAMBLE…..In your case I say email them a picture!

A crying baby, while somewhat annoying, doesn't impose on my personal space

What if I sat in my seat and screamed at the top of my lungs?

I hope a moderator closes this thread (it was never a US-specific topic to begin with). It has become infected by a troll. :(

YES! Very impolite. In fact if the babies are not going for a kidney translate I say they should never fly until they are at least 6 years old and know how to keep their mouths shut and butts in the seat.

While you say you are a parent, but are you? With all your flying status you have earned and chimmed about in prior posts, I wonder how much time you have spent with the kids to really understand the kids. It sounds like you leave your wife alone with them a lot. Yep, fact is that kids are sometimes load and out of hand....this is often, but not always a parental issue. Even the best intentions of a parent don't always work out.

Flying is a fact of life for people these days....the USA is an awfully large place. I have flown with many adults that can't sit still or shut up either.

Your scorched earth policy towards kids flying is your opinion, and luckily just that.

What if I sat in my seat and screamed at the top of my lungs?

You know better (I hope) There is a difference. Although the comment shows that maybe you do not.

Is it just me or is this the stupidest thread ever? Sorry to RAMBLE…..In your case I say email them a picture!

It is clearly you.