US Airways Dividend Miles (Pre-FlightFund Merger) - Fun Times at PHL last night...and it wasn't JUST weather




mwp2paris
Jun 17, 04, 7:49 pm
The 6:25 departure to US MCI, now featuring the lovely ERJ70.

Let's review the events of the evening (yes all of this could happen on any other carrier, but I wasn't on any other carrier)...

The inbound equipment was a little late but we board at 6:05 after, we are told, catering and cleaning has been completed.

I take my seat in 1C, front row for this unbelieveable series of events...I shall call it Keystone Kops Decide to Run an Airline.

...lead FA is loudly announcing she doesn't have ice to the captain.

...other FA is parading a baby up and down the aisle.

...rain begins.

...lead FA is still announcing she doesn't have ice to the GA, the captain, and those of us in the first row.

...other FA shows back up with the same baby and coos for a while (baby was rather blockheaded and not nearly as cute as the FA was gushing it was).

...another FA shows up who is working the flight at the next gate but she just stopped by to visit and announce that "she worked this flight last night and they were 3 hours late."

...captain announces ramp is closed.

...Continental 737 arrives at next gate and workers swarm out to off load luggage, load luggage, and prepare it to depart.

...passenger in 1F points this out and is told by the FA who just showed up and is not actually working our flight that "they are a different company and if they want to get hit by lightening, that's up to them, but US policy is no one outside for 10 minutes after the last strike." She then mutters under her breathe just loud enough to be heard by the 2 other FAs and me that "she must have answered that question 15 times last night. Can't they see those planes aren't US planes?" Well, begone now, Ms. Biddy.

...passenger in 1F looks at me, rolls his eyes, I return with a shrug of the shoulders...he says that he doesn't appreciate it when he is told one thing but his eyes see another. I smile and agree.

...lead FA is still announcing she doesn't have ice and now her trash is overflowing.

...GA says that because ramp is closed, no ice is coming.

...watch Continental 737 back out and depart...lucky b*st*rds.

...lead FA decides that we have been sitting for an hour and deserve water.

...water is served.

...FA not working our flight decides to go away...good, she was snippy and not helpful to the morale of our flight.

...lead FA is now really worried because she doesn't have ice, she just served us water, and now may have to use styrafoam cups to serve beverages inflight but if ice doesn't arrive she won't do a service because that is policy.

...other FA shows up and grabs some pretzels, sticks them in her pockets, and disappears. She did not assist in the delivery of water.

...lead FA announces to those of us in row 1 that she hopes we aren't delayed to long because they have a "really short layover" in MCI.

...1F and I look at each other, look at her and say in unison, "so do we!"

...lead FA says, "you have a flight?"

...we say, "no, we have jobs!"

...lead FA says "but I don't get paid for any of this while we sit here with the door open."

...we say, "nor do we."

...game, set, match for that conversation.

...a flurry of activity ensues as suddenly it appears that the ramp is opening. A quick conference between lead FA and captain and it is decided we go with no ice and lots of trash....because, in the words of the captain, "that is what they would want."

...GA comes done and says they need the gate now. Lead FA reminds him of no ice and too much trash and mid her sentence, he actually SLAMS THE DOOR IN HER FACE...so much for teamwork.

...door shut, jetbridge pulls back, we sit...and sit...lots of ringing and phone calls and bits of conversation that sound like this "Yes, the inbound FA told me about it but said it wasn't a problem"; "Yes, we knew about it when the equipment came in"; and "I don't know, it wasn't written up and they said it wasn't a problem."

Sounds like a problem.

...captain on PA "we have a problem. A light up here indicates a door back there is not closing properly. Maintenance is on its way."

...we have now sat here at the gate for nearly 2 hours and they just discovered this problem that the FA claims they knew about all along?

...1F says that sounds kind of stupid that it took that long to discover and report a problem if if they knew it already existed. Lead FA replies that it wasn't really a problem according to the previous crew and it was the weather.

...Uhh??? A door not closing is not a problem?

...jetbridge reattached, door opened, we wait...and wait.

...a few more phone calls and suddenly a flurry of activity. The other FA shows up from the back, makes the "we are departing, so stow everything and arm the doors" announcement and runs to the back.

...the jetbridge is still attached and the lead FA is having a problem. The front door won't close because the jetbridge is in the way.

...captain on PA, "problem appears to have fixed itself, we are not waiting on maintenance, we are going." Perhaps this plane runs on Microsoft XP and he just rebooted it?

...other FA runs back up (possibly throwing the blockheaded baby into the lap of its parents on the way) and asks "what's the problem?" The lead FA tells her and the other FA says, "stand back and watch this" and just grabs the door and slams it, jetbridge be dam*ed.

...captain on PA, "the ramp has been closed again due to the weather."

...lead FA just keeps repeating to anyone who will listen "it's the weather."

...another Continental and an America West jets roll up to gate and are serviced by rampworkers as we watch with growing envy.

...ramp reopens and we are ready to go..."WAIT," I say to lead FA, "the jetbridge is still pressed against our window."

...lead FA jumps up, looks out, grabs phone and calls captain.

...we sit and sit and sit.

...lead FA tells us in row 1 (I feel like I am now part of an informal inner sanctum of insider info and gossip) that the captain has tried everything and is now on his cell phone trying to get someone to come move the jetbridge and fire up the tug so we can push back.

...1F offers to round up some men and go down and push this baby back. Lead FA smiles, rolls her eyes, and politely declines his offer.

...maintenance shows up on jetbridge, sees us sitting there with our door closed. Phone calls are made, shoulders are shrugged, they leave, we sit.

...jetbridge is finally pulled back.

...we are ready to go...catering shows up to service the plane that we were told had been catered whilest we waited in the gatehouse 2+ hours ago now.

...the FAs run up the aisle with ice and a bag of contraband...catering had given them goodies from the FC basket and the other FA is stashing potato chips, cookies, and other sweets and savories all over her body so she can run to the back unnoticed...wouldn't matter, most of us are now fainting from low blood sugar.

...within minutes, other FA shows up for more bags of Cape Cod potato chips and stuffs them in her pockets. Lead FA is in galley literally stuffing goodies down her gullet...wrappers are flying, crumbs are crumming...wow, obviously not on the Atkins.

...lead FA sees us in the row 1 inner sanctum watching her grazing frenzy and wiping chip dust off her chin, takes pity on us by offering us chips or candy from her bag of contraband. 1D takes candy and can barely get the wrapper off...he pops his morsel into his mouth and slumps back off to dreamland.

Well, we finally taxi, sit forever (we are number 18 or 19 to takeoff) and I arrive safely home nearly 3 1/2 hours late.

Final pithy remarks...

On the one hand, the lead FA, though she never ever strayed from the "its the weather, stupid" arguement despite all the swirling lunacy around her that had nothing to do with weather but rather lousy management and oversight, did run water while she wasn't getting paid and we had a nice conversation whilest working our way to the runway.

On the other hand, the other FA appeared looney at best, and verging on way-off-balanced/unhinged at worst. When she just slammed that door despite the appeals of the other FA to "be careful, the jetbridge will damage it" I thought I really don't know if I want to be locked on here with her. Luckily, her carb-loading must have sent her blood sugar soaring and then crashing, and I think she just slumbered in the rear jumpseat in an insulin-induced hangover because we didn't see her the entire flight once airborne and she had run the $5.00 snackpacks down the aisle.

When we bounced back to earth, she managed to roust herself enough to welcome us to Kansas. Kansas, indeed. I looked at the lead FA, smiled and said "won't she be surprised when she finds out she is actually in Missouri" and the lead FA just chuckled. I think she thought she was one pill shy of sane, too.

BUT GOD ALMIGHTY, PHL is the most unorganized, inefficient, unfocused, uncoordinated airline effort ever...and that is on a good day.

So yeah, there was weather, but this night that was just icing on the cake of another evening at USAirways PHL operations.

It almost breaks my heart to fly US these days...I was CP for years and loved them...but they are a mere shadow of those great days of the late 90s when they were it, in my book (well, right behind AA).


ClueByFour
Jun 17, 04, 7:53 pm
The Crown Jewel, indeed.

It's gonna make a great hub :D

geo1005
Jun 17, 04, 8:05 pm
...lead FA announces to those of us in row 1 that she hopes we aren't delayed to long because they have a "really short layover" in MCI.

...1F and I look at each other, look at her and say in unison, "so do we!"

...lead FA says, "you have a flight?"

...we say, "no, we have jobs!"

...lead FA says "but I don't get paid for any of this while we sit here with the door open."

...we say, "nor do we."

...game, set, match for that conversation.


I skimmed a lot of your post. This part... I read several times.

Brilliant! Thank you. :)


jcooke
Jun 17, 04, 8:24 pm
^ ^ ^

I have a story like this from Monday's PHL-ROC flight as well.

No ice due to catering truck "breaking down" and the captain wanting to push back before the storms.

1 hour later after an on-time pushback we finally leave the alleyway.

Our high-priority lifeline flight (carrying organ tissue) sat parked on the taxiways so long that our crew expired and the flight cancelled. And mind you, we were still 12th in queue.

An hour later, we finally make it back to B gates. Nobody there to work the jetbridge. Finally someone somes and runs off ASAP 'cuz they know they're going to get stuck making accomodations.

Another GA shows up and the FA doesn't let this one step one foot away from the podium - she's helping the entire flight.

The US Res lines were horrid - the people that I drove down with to BWI for the FL flight were all US4's and were waiting on the Res line for over an hour - I called up the SP line and got an agent in 3 mins - ^. The agent was nice enough to make accommodations for them on my call too.

Baggage sat in PHL until Wednesday. US wanted to do nothing with it due to Airtran being the last carrier I flew on (although I knew damn well that they weren't really responsible for my bag - hello PHL) so Airtran finally touched my bag when it got to PHL on wed.

:td: :td: :td:

catwood
Jun 17, 04, 8:41 pm
note to self: fly less in summer.

bnarayan1511
Jun 17, 04, 9:17 pm
I wish I could reply more intelligently but I'm still trying to pick myself off the floor where I'm rolling about laughing my butt off
:D

^ ^ ^

no upgrade for u
Jun 18, 04, 12:11 am
note to self: fly less in summer.


Note to self, quit fly US.

geo1005
Jun 18, 04, 8:30 am
Note to self, quit fly US.


No need for the note. They will quit flying for you. :(

geo1005
Jun 18, 04, 8:35 am
An hour later, we finally make it back to B gates. Nobody there to work the jetbridge.


Correction. There probably was "someone" there but just not someone willing to do a job not specifically designated by their union. If you'd been on Southwest, it would not have surprised me to see anyone on the ramp take control of the situation to get the job done. With US it is the all-too-often very pleasant employee who says they are waiting on <insert workgroup name here> before they can get on with the show and get the flight moving.... :td:

PHL
Jun 18, 04, 8:53 am
Great post. Too bad it's becoming more and more common to see a variation of your story.

My only comment is to say that it's the current work rules prevent workers from going on the ramp in lightning conditions. So, you seeing CO and HP crews hustling is evidence that their workers either have a more stringent contract, or they are "working hard" to "fly right".

chtiet
Jun 18, 04, 8:59 am
Hey, at least they provided 'entertainment' for the whole time :D :D :rolleyes:

jcooke
Jun 18, 04, 9:09 am
Correction. There probably was "someone" there but just not someone willing to do a job not specifically designated by their union. If you'd been on Southwest, it would not have surprised me to see anyone on the ramp take control of the situation to get the job done. With US it is the all-too-often very pleasant employee who says they are waiting on <insert workgroup name here> before they can get on with the show and get the flight moving.... :td:

Good point. YAY union rules!

Now I do have to stick up for the US employees working that night as that time of night most people did go home by then and the only people that I did see were busting their ... to leave.

RDU-Man
Jun 18, 04, 9:51 am
I was coming home from Providence to RDU yesterday and was booked via Charlotte. I finished my business early, so I checked with US to see what my options were for getting home earlier. I was offered the option of going via PHL for the usual modest $100 change fee, and this option would get me home 4 hours earlier than my scheduled flight. In addition to being po'ed at the extortionary change fee, given the weather forecast I decided to not risk a PHL connection. I would rather sit in a quiet corner of the Providence airport than on a plane on the ramp in PHL!

jcooke
Jun 18, 04, 10:12 am
I was coming home from Providence to RDU yesterday and was booked via Charlotte. I finished my business early, so I checked with US to see what my options were for getting home earlier. I was offered the option of going via PHL for the usual modest $100 change fee, and this option would get me home 4 hours earlier than my scheduled flight. In addition to being po'ed at the extortionary change fee, given the weather forecast I decided to not risk a PHL connection. I would rather sit in a quiet corner of the Providence airport than on a plane on the ramp in PHL!

Very smart move - PHL's been pretty bad this entire week from what I've experienced and heard.

$100 - They should have been able to let you standby for $25 unless your ticket didn't allow for standby. Interesting....

Bear96
Jun 18, 04, 10:45 am
...we say, "no, we have jobs!"

...lead FA says "but I don't get paid for any of this while we sit here with the door open."

...we say, "nor do we."

...game, set, match for that conversation.


Really?

When you are at work and while working, you don't get paid either?

phllax
Jun 18, 04, 11:40 am
A lot of the confusion may be due to who is actually allowed to work the airplane. We all know that crews are former mainline employees, but from what I have heard, all ground work is performed by Express personnel. With MAA using Terminal D in PHL, it can take a while to get somebody over from F, if they have people to spare.

Gretchyn
Jun 18, 04, 11:44 am
Thanks for the play-by-play of that horrendous situation. I was laughing yet cringing as PHL is my home airport. Sadly, I can see ALL of that happening.

chrislacey
Jun 18, 04, 12:26 pm
Great Post ^

While it is unfortunate...I could imagine myself in the same exact situation. The part about closing the front door had me laughing out loud (literally).

PHL is by far the worst of the 3 "hubs" (CLT,PHL,PIT) ... and it never ceases to amaze me when US Management talks about "improvements" and other nonsense. Hopefully they really pull together and get the problems taken care of. Between baggage, ramp drivers, a shortage of check-in staff, etc. ... i'm amazed when we actually get anywhere we're going on time. (ever!) :D

Glad you made it safely!

-Chris

GadgetFreak
Jun 18, 04, 1:02 pm
Ack, same as it ever was in PHL. I have to assume no one making decisions for US ever flies the airline unannounced through PHL. If they did they couldnt have possibly decided to make it a hub. Probably too late to matter now. I agree about the comment regarding US in the late 90s. There was a time when it was a great airline to fly. No longer.

The Lurker
Jun 18, 04, 2:28 pm
A lot of the confusion may be due to who is actually allowed to work the airplane. We all know that crews are former mainline employees, but from what I have heard, all ground work is performed by Express personnel. With MAA using Terminal D in PHL, it can take a while to get somebody over from F, if they have people to spare.

I thought that MDA was ground-handled by mainline employees. Isn't that why they are parking the aircraft at mainline gates in both PHL and PIT?

SOBE ER DOC
Jun 18, 04, 3:59 pm
These stories of PHL would be hysterical if you were watching them on Airline, but certainly not when you're the one sitting on the plane suffering.

I flew PHL - FLL Tuesday night during the weather and total fiasco that ensued. Sadly for PHL, my probelms began at ticketing. It was total chaos. There were NO agents to check in coach class passengers and those of us lucky enough to be US1, 2 or 3 or FC were able to either stand in a check-in queue that snaked out of the serpentine or join the mass of people mobbing the two out of six electronic kiosks that were operational. The agent I spoke with almost burst into tears. She said she had been begging for a supervisor to come and help for an hour and no one had responded. There we no lines for security, but that's just because everyone was tied up at ticketing.

Typical...just typical.

I sent a registered letter to Bruce Lakefield, BBB and the CEO os *A yesterday expressing my growing frustration with US. It'll likely fall on deaf ears, but at least I had the chance to rant and rave a little

AA or UA here I come!

DeacDiggler
Jun 18, 04, 4:17 pm
Are you serious? PHL has six kiosks? That is terrible. Even more surprising that only 2 work. This sounds like an exaggeration...please tell me it is.

CLT is not bad at all in this respect....12 or so kiosks (guessing here), 90% of which work.

Which reminds me...how do these kiosks get "broken"? Can't they just reboot them? ;)

Gretchyn
Jun 18, 04, 4:30 pm
I'm really thinking of taking a powder from US, but I really like all of the flights out of PHL. I need to start checking flights on UA or AA. PHL really is a crappy airport.

NeoOfTheCRS
Jun 18, 04, 5:29 pm
Great post! Thanks for taking the time to share it with us! ^

deelmakur
Jun 19, 04, 10:28 am
Nothing changes in Philly. In an earlier thread, I described the chaos of Monday night. Weather, I was told. Came back through Friday morning (clear), and my LGA Express connect was cancelled. OK, I said, "I'll go to White Plains". No, that one has been canceled too. Game, set, match. As more flights are switched to Express, F Terminal becomes more crowded, the bus service over gets more ragged, and what has always been a weak operation, simply collapses. There is an unwillingness, or inability, to understand that you can't run a second airline, staffed by the only people who will accept those low wages, in a market with a large percentage of unskilled labor, and a low percentage of good flying weather. To then run more and more of what's left of your customer base through that experience is nuts.

us2
Jun 19, 04, 11:25 am
Nothing changes in Philly. In an earlier thread, I described the chaos of Monday night. Weather, I was told. Came back through Friday morning (clear), and my LGA Express connect was cancelled. OK, I said, "I'll go to White Plains". No, that one has been canceled too. Game, set, match. As more flights are switched to Express, F Terminal becomes more crowded, the bus service over gets more ragged, and what has always been a weak operation, simply collapses. There is an unwillingness, or inability, to understand that you can't run a second airline, staffed by the only people who will accept those low wages, in a market with a large percentage of unskilled labor, and a low percentage of good flying weather. To then run more and more of what's left of your customer base through that experience is nuts.

You're dead on right again, but for one point. This is not a question of a "second airline"; it's a question of at least six separate Express carriers handling the traffic at PHL. All four of the wholly-owneds: Allegheny, Piedmont, Mid Atlantic and PSA and two contract carriers: Mesa and Chautauqua. That has got to add an extra layer of complication to the whole operation, since each carrier has, AFAIK, separate dispatch offices and so forth. Furthermore, PHL is not for the faint of heart as far as piloting skills go -- and Express crews are in many cases less experienced in most cases than mainline crews. Between the low wage McJobs employees on the Express side, the shift of more and more flying to Express (I still can't get over Expressing the PHL-IAH flying), the lower level of experience of Express crews and the emphasis on shifting MORE traffic to PHL, the whole thing is a recipe for disaster. Even back in the pre-9/11 days, PHL was a substandard hub operation in comparison to CLT and PIT (and BWI for those of us who can remember back that far) but it was made somewhat tolerable by the fact that most of the flights to major cities were mainline and did not involve a hike to F terminal or A-West. Now, of course, the picture is much different and it is not as easy as it once was to avoid the place. Physically, PHL is a poor choice for a hub because of the terminal design and the fact that it cannot accept parallel ILS approaches to 9L/27R and 9R/27L in bad weather. Holding aside the O&D traffic, they would have been better off, from a strictly operational standpoint, of sticking by PIT as the main domestic hub. They didn't and that decision may be a cause of the eventual collapse of the airline that I think is coming, probably sooner rather than later.

Singleflyer
Jun 19, 04, 3:37 pm
As a Project Manager for a Consulting Firm, I only get paid for billable time to a client. Therfore, I do not get paid for the time it takes for me to fly to a client. I don't get paid for some of the review of notes, data, after hour conversations etc.

There are a good many professionals who perform work out of the "basic" socpe of their work, or their method of payment. Flat rate car mechanics, only get paid when they are fixing a car, but are expected to keep the shop clean. The same is for commision salespeople, and the list goes on, the procedure is not limited to just F/As or other airline employees.

As passengers we do not need to here this stuff from the employees. It is between the employees and the airline, and beleive it or not, we don't care how or how much you get paid.

GadgetFreak
Jun 19, 04, 3:52 pm
As a Project Manager for a Consulting Firm, I only get paid for billable time to a client. Therfore, I do not get paid for the time it takes for me to fly to a client. I don't get paid for some of the review of notes, data, after hour conversations etc.

There are a good many professionals who perform work out of the "basic" socpe of their work, or their method of payment. Flat rate car mechanics, only get paid when they are fixing a car, but are expected to keep the shop clean. The same is for commision salespeople, and the list goes on, the procedure is not limited to just F/As or other airline employees.

As passengers we do not need to here this stuff from the employees. It is between the employees and the airline, and beleive it or not, we don't care how or how much you get paid.

I couldnt agree more. I had witnessed the same event twice, once happening to me and once to a fellow passenger, once on US and once on UA and the results were very different. I was in row 1 of Envoy on a flight to either London or Paris last year, I think it was London. The guy on the other side of the aisle gets on and goes to put his stuff in the little storage thing in front of his seat and it is filled with junk from the previous flight. He tells the FA and she goes into a whole story about salary cuts, personnel cuts, not enough people to service the plane and so on. He is looking at here like, "Could someone just clean this up for me?" When it happened to me on UA in business on a JFK-SFO I tell the FA about it. She returns about 2 minutes later with gloves. She starts apologizing and cleaning it out. A short time later the purser comes over. Introduces herself and asks if I was the one with the seatback that wasnt cleaned. I say I was and she checks it herself, asks if it is acceptable to me now and apologizes. They didnt need to apologize, it wasnt them that did it. But boy did they present a different experience than the US FA did. I was really shocked when I saw that on US actually. My general experience with US FAs is very positive. The behavior of the UA FAs would be typical of that airline in my experience. Ditto for AA in fact.

SOBE ER DOC
Jun 19, 04, 4:04 pm
Are you serious? PHL has six kiosks? That is terrible. Even more surprising that only 2 work. This sounds like an exaggeration...please tell me it is.

CLT is not bad at all in this respect....12 or so kiosks (guessing here), 90% of which work.

Which reminds me...how do these kiosks get "broken"? Can't they just reboot them? ;)


I mistyped. There are only FOUR checkin-in kiosks for Frist Class / Dividend Preferred at Terminal B/C in PHL. There are about 10 - 15 Coach Class check-in kiosks but with no live ticketing agents and lots of leisure travelers and people who are not used to the new system you can imagine what that line was like.

US seems to have missed the fact that customers who are more frequent travelers and those paying higher fares appreciate and come to expect more persnalized service and not the feeling of being herded like cattle. I can get that over in Terminal D with WN.

deelmakur
Jun 19, 04, 11:39 pm
The well documented revival of Continental focused on two important tasks, the restoration of employee morale and the repair of the Newark hub. In the case of USAirways, the role of Newark is played by Philly. Choosing to use PHL as the linchpin of a turnaround seems to be an intelligent decision. But to do it without fixing the place means exposing a very large proportion of your core customers to the worst the company has to offer. That would seem to be borne out by the comments one continues to see in these threads. A few months ago, I emailed Dr. Bronner, in Alabama, asking him the same thing, "how do you expect the place to make it, if you don't fix Philly?" To my surprise, about a week later, back comes an email from the good Doctor. A terse, one line message, saying something to the effect, "we did that a few weeks ago". Regular visitors to this forum might conclude that many of us in this core customer base, don't share that view.

PineyBob
Jun 20, 04, 12:12 am
Why post here when you can meet the people responsible for PHL?

RoachFEST '04 @ www.uscockroach.com

ClueByFour
Jun 20, 04, 10:24 pm
Why post here when you can meet the people responsible for PHL?

That could be predicated upon you guys making "Cockroach Boxing Gloves" available :p .



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