MilesBuzz! - Miles creditcard in germany?

Does anyone know if there is a reasonable credit card where you can earn miles in germany?
I know there is AMEX, but they charge about $60 for the card + $45 for the miles program and their use is very limited in some countrys while my VISA is free and I can use it all over the world. Any suggestions?

Lufthansa bietet für Senator Mitglieder eine gratis-Karte (Details findt man im neuesten miles&more-guide).

American Express ist gar nicht so schlecht. Wer die deutschen Details wissen moechte, der moege mir ein eMail schicken. Diners Club bietet sein Programm nicht in D an, aus rechtlichen Gruenden angeblich. Gewiss gibt es Probleme mit dem rueckstaendigen deutschen Wettbewerbsgesetzen (UWG und Zugabeverordnung), aber warum kanns AMEX und Diners nicht?

Hey, guys, I thought we had sort of agreed to use English here. I understand both of the responses to Rudi's messages, but do all of us? If so, I withdraw my comment.

Sorry: It wasn't Rudi's message (he was the first to respond in German), it was Germanflyer's message. I sort of think that if he/her didn't speak English and wanted to ask his/her question in German, then an answer in the same language would have been appropriate. But the question was in English. Answer should have been the same way. Sorry, Rudi, buddy???

philforest - the question was about getting a mile-earning credit card in Germany. It's fair to assume that anyone asking that has a working knowledge of german.

It's a lot easier to explain things in one's first language than in one's second, no matter how fluent one might be. For general ff topics, I agree, English should be the language of choice.

Rudi's English is really good, but there are times when I can tell that he is tired or in a hurry, & then it becomes really hard work for him...

sorry philforest - I completly disagree. The topic is exclusivly interesting for people/residents in germany - and my (swiss) german is still better and more precise than my english.

So why should I give a less precise answer to somebody (everybody really interested in this question will be german-speaking)?

And besides: the Internet is multilingual - and hopefully will stay that way - if the majority would dictate what language, than it would be chinese anyway.

baobab: great synchronisation of time, thinking and acting. thank you.

and ... english is unfortunately/fortunatly not my second. As learned in school: 1) swiss german 2) german 3) french 4) latin 5) spanish 6) english 7) russian.

But as I said also somewhere else here some weeks ago: only people speaking the same language can misunderstand each other (because speaking a language is only problem #2 in communication, listening/understanding is problem #1).

So you know enough to confuse anyone anywhere?

Hey: My original question was based on the language in which the question was asked. I've lived in Germany and am reasonably fluent in German. If I ask a question in English, though, I sort of think I should be answered (first) in English. On the other hand, if I ask the question in German, I should probably expect to be answered in German, given the international nature of this system. I apologize if I've offended anyone.

philforest - that last was aimed at Rudi (confusing the issue)

Germanfflyer probably posed the question in English to make certain that anyone on FlyerTalk with information that might be relevant could read it. Judging by gff's name & other info, it's a fair assumption that german is his(?) first language. Rudi & michilo are both fluent in German, & perhaps felt that they could explain things more clearly in that language.

I see no reason why two people who are native speakers of the same language should have to translate their thoughts into a second language in order to communicate with one another. Again, anyone who has an interest in the topic under discussion (credit cards in Germany) is likely to understand what's going on - and can ask for an English translation if they don't.

Jaws might even be willing to give us a Spanish version of events...

Hey! My hands are in the air.

However, Rudi: (My transliteration might not be too good - it's been a lot of years) Yesli vui govoritye po-russkiy, pochemu vui nye otbyetilyi knyemu na russkyim yazike? On sprosil po-angliski, pochemu ne otvetil na angliskom yazike?

Just don't ask MF to translate that last into Latin, as he has invented his own special dialect...

philforest: I give up too - let's have a draw. I took russian at the university only because the russian teacher (SHE!) was about 30 and very good looking.

I hardly can read the PRAWDA headlines now.

Hey,
it really does not matter to me in wich language you reply but I think the forum might be more interesting to people when we use a very common language like english.
So everybody can answer or just enjoy.
I still apreciate the answers of my german friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!