JetBlue TrueBlue - NOW YOU KNOW- JET BLUE IS A SCAM

Look back on this site, you doubters. You were warned. Jet Blue, the new "chic" airline is an audacious rip-off and a scam. The business model is BAIT AND SWITCH. This is accompanied with a media blitz with no compairson in aviation history. Lot's of seemingly smart people saying "They have television." Well they don't have any upgrades ever, they don't have any meals ever, they don't have any frequent flier miles (or rewards that are worth anything) and guess what, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE LOW FARES. People who must have taken one flight in their life jam travel magazines with voting for Jet Blue as the best airline around (because they flew once and managed to snag a tightly controlled low fare to the docklands area of Oakland) Several times since this scam was launched, I called this airline and NEVER got a fare that wasn't ridiculous. Tommorow morning in America, some of our most gullible fellow citizens will be standing behinding you holding Jet Blue Tickets that cost $500 because they bought into this ridiculous hype. A low fare airline that has no benefits and treats its customers like cattle should at least have, LOW FARES, no?

Spending too much time in Amsterdam's hash bars, I take it?

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by odnyc:
Well they don't have any upgrades ever, they don't have any meals ever, they don't have any frequent flier miles (or rewards that are worth anything)</font>
Have they ever claimed to have any of these?
What is the last time you ate a domestic coach meal that has been worth eating?
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and guess what, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE LOW FARES. Several times since this scam was launched, I called this airline and NEVER got a fare that wasn't ridiculous. </font>
Please define! OW max is $299
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Tomorrow morning in America, some of our most gullible fellow citizens will be standing behinding you holding Jet Blue Tickets that cost $500 because they bought into this ridiculous hype.</font>
Max is $299. What is your preferred airline's max?!?
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A low fare airline that has no benefits and treats its customers like cattle should at least have, LOW FARES, no?</font>
Cattle car? B6 offers more width than AA and the rest (sans a few UA, NW and US Airbus) and now offers more pitch (34") than every airline except UA's E+ (which is spotty on long haul aircraft and at best only offered in a few rows, and AA's MRTC which they have started dismantling (20% gone by 12/31/03).
I guess the cattle like the advance seating, no fee stanby, $25 change fee, and the can do attitudes of the employees.
As for fares, again the max is $299 so....

[This message has been edited by audio-nut (edited 09-17-2003).]

B6 is definitely not my primary airline - and I fly them only occasionally, but I have to disagree with original post in this topic.

audio-nut has it right when he points out that JetBlue does not try to be what its not. It doesn't advertise or offer upgrades, they are very obvious in informing their passengers of the BYO food policy, and front line crews are consistently customer-friendly.

It's not about what they don't offer, but rather about what they do offer - and how they are consistent.

Every time I step on a JetBlue flight...I know what I'm going to receive for my fare. With other airlines - it can be a toss up.

Just my opinion http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif
-Chris

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[This message has been edited by wmbarker (edited 09-17-2003).]

Plus, you could buy a roundtrip fare for $200 from Ft. Myers to JFK leaving the night before Thanksgiving and returning the Sunday after Thanksgiving (11/30). Fare was still available last week. The other airlines are already charging $600+ for the same flights and aren't non-stop. How is this bad?

Aussiemate

Try DL coach. You'll appreciate Blue.

Don't fly them if you are dissatisfied.

That is my solution.

I have not flown them (yet), but I am happy that they are in business. Why? Because their position in the marketplace forces my primary carrier (NWA) to be more competitive.

As far as I am concerned, David Neeleman is ensuring that I get my NWA upgrade for considerably less money on my transcons to NY.

Thanks David!

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200 nights/200 legs a year

odnyc, you have a track record of besmirching JetBlue. Why write in caps? You have an agenda and thus your credibility is diminished. Look at your older posts. You never responded to anyone who questioned your statements.

They don't have low fares? I guess you read only your own words. I'd rather hear from FTers like dhammer. Bye, troll.

[This message has been edited by Analise (edited 09-18-2003).]

people can read what i have said and compare your responses and make their own judgments. When I first pointed out that this airline is a scam (except for its super rich spinmeister CEO), there was silence. And now look what they're saying on this forum about its no benefits, rip-off bait and switch business model. The more the posters look closer, the more it becomes obvious. And I never attacked you. I'll probably chat again after your next 5,000 posts.

odnyc writes:

"guess what, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE LOW FARES"

This weekend I'm flying B6 SAN-SYR for $263 r/t. CO & Company were over $500. Hardly a scam to me. If Blue doesn't work for you then don't fly them. You can have my 31 in. pitch coach seat on CO.



[This message has been edited by 777 (edited 09-18-2003).]

Hmmmm, I used to recall paying $800 for JFK-Upstate NY runs prior to B6 showing up... Now I pay FAR less...

I don't understand why people position Frontier, JetBlue and others into the "PREMIUM" airline category on comparisions... Some people need to get a life.

Side note.. .I know this person HASN'T flown JetBlue... or clearly DOESN'T fly US domestic flights... as the "cattle" comment applies more to Southwest, yet you don't see us slagging off Southwest...
Don't like Jet Blue... well go get the capital, the fleet, the employees and do something better instead of being an armchair airline commentator.

[This message has been edited by NickP 1K (edited 09-18-2003).]

I agree with everyones reply and also everyone know that jetBlue doesn't offer any meal onboard their flights but the thing is if you look at American Airlines, their idea of a meal on a domestic flight is a stupid bistro bag and theres nothing in there but a stale sandwich and snacks that are horrible. If you ask me, I think jetBlue have a way better snack selection and I'll take jetBlue's snacks over American's Bistro Bags.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by 777:
odnyc writes:

"guess what, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE LOW FARES"

This weekend I'm flying B6 SAN-SYR for $263 r/t. CO & Company were over $500. Hardly a scam to me. If Blue doesn't work for you then don't fly them. You can have my 31 in. pitch coach seat on CO.</font>

And that is why he is a troll. QED

Also.... the fate of JetBlue AINT going to be decided on FT... Flyers taking their first flight then returning are what will decide if B6 is a winner.

So far what I've seen is the BULK majority of other flier on B6 flights with me state they either fly them quite often OR if it's their first flight they would fly them again. I don't hear this on other carriers with anything but the FF miles hooking the user to fly again.

[This message has been edited by NickP 1K (edited 09-19-2003).]

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by odnyc:
A low fare airline that has no benefits and treats its customers like cattle should at least have, LOW FARES, no?</font>

Benefits: Theres lots of benefits with flying jetBlue such as getting to your destination on time most of the time, better snack selection, better service than the "full service" carriers, cleaner planes, cabin crew helps passengers with baggage instead of telling them that they need to be seated, reclining seats infront of the exit rows, 34" seat pitch and don't have to be a elite traveler to get it, no outragious change fees... just to name a few benefits of flying jetBlue... I fly them alot and trueblue is just alittle extra and most of the time i just give my trueblue rewards away to my friends. Oh yeah and super fast response from customer service when theres a problem instead of waiting a month to hear back from the bigger carriers.

Also... umm... can someone explain to me how jetBlue customers are treated like cattles?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by odnyc:
Look back on this site, you doubters. You were warned. Jet Blue, the new "chic" airline is an audacious rip-off and a scam. The business model is BAIT AND SWITCH. This is accompanied with a media blitz with no compairson in aviation history. Lot's of seemingly smart people saying "They have television." Well they don't have any upgrades ever, they don't have any meals ever, they don't have any frequent flier miles (or rewards that are worth anything) and guess what, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE LOW FARES. People who must have taken one flight in their life jam travel magazines with voting for Jet Blue as the best airline around (because they flew once and managed to snag a tightly controlled low fare to the docklands area of Oakland) Several times since this scam was launched, I called this airline and NEVER got a fare that wasn't ridiculous. Tommorow morning in America, some of our most gullible fellow citizens will be standing behinding you holding Jet Blue Tickets that cost $500 because they bought into this ridiculous hype. A low fare airline that has no benefits and treats its customers like cattle should at least have, LOW FARES, no?[/QUOTE

B6 is consistent, simple, reliable, and affordable. All of which are valuable to me. I only feel scammed when I don't get what I expect. I get value everytime I step aboard B6.

If you are going to attack B6, you better do the same for WN, they both cap at $299 (WN only after B6).

Oh yeah... It doesn't sound like AA and others are making money MATCHING B6's fares either (the routes that AA and others cap fares)

A full plane DOES NOT = Profit...

[This message has been edited by NickP 1K (edited 09-19-2003).]

7 People who must have taken one flight in their life jam travel magazines with voting for Jet Blue as the best airline around (because they flew once and managed to snag a tightly controlled low fare to the docklands area of Oakland) Several times since this scam was launched, I called this airline and NEVER got a fare that wasn't ridiculous. Tommorow morning in America, some of our most gullible fellow citizens will be standing behinding you holding Jet Blue Tickets that cost $500 because they bought into this ridiculous hype. A low fare airline that has no benefits and treats its customers like cattle should at least have, LOW FARES, no?[/B][/QUOTE]

OK...I am one of the seven people who have taken one flt in their life and are happy with Jet Blue. Actually I'm a United member who flies them sometimes because I have some miles built up with them but agree with whoever said customer service is a coin toss.

As you can tell by my handle, I'm not a FF. I have learned so much by lurking, but have never joined as I thought I had nothing to contribute...but I digress.

One of the 7 flts in my lifetime, per odync opinion of me, has been to Vegas on Jetblue. To fully disclose, I live in Long Beach, so I would pay a premium to fly from there because it's worth the premium.

Anyway, I booked a flt from Long Beach to FLL for $215.00.. Had to call to change a date and expected the $25 change fee. (How much is the change fee for your favorite airline odync?) Anyway, because they changed the flt time on that particular flt by 10 MIN...we're talking 10 min here people... they wave the $25 change fee. Yes...their service must suck. I may not understand the buzz words that savy travelors like odynyc know but I know value and service when I see it. JMH and uninformed opinion.

[This message has been edited by lot2lern (edited 09-20-2003).]

Here troll. Here troll. Nice troll. Good boy.

Sounds like odnyc is a shill for DELTA or maybe CO .
Whatever the case , a lot people think opposite of the old nyc , so hey if you don't like the Blue ,don't fly on 'em. !!

This has developed to be a 'tad' off topic for this board (miles) - however almost all 'miles' boards tends to wander off topic- try to keep it constructive and not personal....thanks....

This airline is SCAM KING
If u book and make an error it costs $30

They offer nothing on their planes
They have the most irregular service records
of any airline.........
They have over 100 incidents that they have yet to
respond to...
Fly at your own RISK,
DONT BE FOOLED BY DECEPTIVE ADVERTISING...

THEY SHOULD BE OUT OF BUSINESS WITHIN 2 YEARS

This airline is SCAM KING
If u book and make an error it costs $30

They offer nothing on their planes
They have the most irregular service records
of any airline.........
They have over 100 incidents that they have yet to
respond to...
Fly at your own RISK,
DONT BE FOOLED BY DECEPTIVE ADVERTISING...

THEY SHOULD BE OUT OF BUSINESS WITHIN 2 YEARS
Looks like we have a new troll who joined FT today to post a pointless, fact/knowledge-lacking comment on a 3-year old thread.

First, cuprex does not use proper grammar. Secondly, what cuprex says does not make any logical sense.

If you book and make an error, that's your own fault. The change fee is $25 online and $30 on the phone...sure beats $100 charged at other airlines. Plus, jetBlue will gladly waive the fee if you call within a few minutes because you did make an honest mistake. However, when booking a ticket you should pay closer attention to vital travel details.

Most irregular service records of any airline? Wha's that supposed to mean!?

Over 100 incidents yet to respond to? Again, very confused here. If you're referring to the BBB stats (which I am guessing you are) check out the stats at AA and DL...then get back to us on a comparison, even taking into consideration porportion per size of each company.

Fly at your own risk, don't be fooled by deceptive advertising? Again, very confused here. I fly about 70,000 miles per year - 55,000 of which are with jetBlue - on average...and I'm a very happy and loyal customer. I'm even wearing a jetBlue t-shirt today and I can't tell you how many people commented - "Oh, I love jetBlue!"

Out of business within 2 years? Please, do a little research on the very complex airline industry and then formulate an opinion.

Looks like we have a new troll who joined FT today to post a pointless, fact/knowledge-lacking comment on a 3-year old thread.

First, cuprex does not use proper grammar. Secondly, what cuprex says does not make any logical sense.

If you book and make an error, that's your own fault. The change fee is $25 online and $30 on the phone...sure beats $100 charged at other airlines. Plus, jetBlue will gladly waive the fee if you call within a few minutes because you did make an honest mistake. However, when booking a ticket you should pay closer attention to vital travel details.

Most irregular service records of any airline? Wha's that supposed to mean!?

Over 100 incidents yet to respond to? Again, very confused here. If you're referring to the BBB stats (which I am guessing you are) check out the stats at AA and DL...then get back to us on a comparison, even taking into consideration porportion per size of each company.

Fly at your own risk, don't be fooled by deceptive advertising? Again, very confused here. I fly about 70,000 miles per year - 55,000 of which are with jetBlue - on average...and I'm a very happy and loyal customer. I'm even wearing a jetBlue t-shirt today and I can't tell you how many people commented - "Oh, I love jetBlue!"

Out of business within 2 years? Please, do a little research on the very complex airline industry and then formulate an opinion.


How long have you been working for the PR department of Jet Blue??? Your reply sounds like you're married to them.

How long have you been working for the PR department of Jet Blue??? Your reply sounds like you're married to them.
Actually, I don't work in the PR department of jetBlue - or any department, for that matter. I am nothing more than a fan, stockholder and VERY loyal customer. You know, there are many other people out there like me who love a company as much as I love jetBlue.

people can read what i have said and compare your responses and make their own judgments. When I first pointed out that this airline is a scam (except for its super rich spinmeister CEO), there was silence. And now look what they're saying on this forum about its no benefits, rip-off bait and switch business model. The more the posters look closer, the more it becomes obvious. And I never attacked you. I'll probably chat again after your next 5,000 posts.

I almost wet my pants when I read this post. Seriously dude, what in the hell are you smoking and where can i get some! After the day that I had I seriously needed a great laugh like this.

You obviously don't have the slightest idea about what jetblue is really about, nor do you have any relevent information about the company, it's founder, or it's crewmembers! David is far, far, far, far, far, far from rich. His salary is only $200,000 a year. Less than a seinor capitan at United makes! That is public knowledge, look it up on our finance records or on google finance. 80% of his salary, as well as the salary of the other board members, go to a crisis fund that they set up for crewmembers.

Now go and reeducate yourself at whatever public school hole you came out of, fly on your Delta or whatever unfortunate airline gets your business, and post on a subject that you have some relevent knowledge on, maybe underwater basketweaving, or whatever you do in your spare time. Now it's past your bed time and i'm sure that daddy needs to use the computer.

I also have noticed that we have a lot of first time posters that are bashing us here. Perhaps our "friend" has decided to take on some multipule personalities to make him look better? Coincidence? I don't think so!!

Looks like we have a new troll who joined FT today to post a pointless, fact/knowledge-lacking comment on a 3-year old thread.

First, cuprex does not use proper grammar. Secondly, what cuprex says does not make any logical sense.

If you book and make an error, that's your own fault. The change fee is $25 online and $30 on the phone...sure beats $100 charged at other airlines. Plus, jetBlue will gladly waive the fee if you call within a few minutes because you did make an honest mistake. However, when booking a ticket you should pay closer attention to vital travel details.

Most irregular service records of any airline? Wha's that supposed to mean!?

Over 100 incidents yet to respond to? Again, very confused here. If you're referring to the BBB stats (which I am guessing you are) check out the stats at AA and DL...then get back to us on a comparison, even taking into consideration porportion per size of each company.

Fly at your own risk, don't be fooled by deceptive advertising? Again, very confused here. I fly about 70,000 miles per year - 55,000 of which are with jetBlue - on average...and I'm a very happy and loyal customer. I'm even wearing a jetBlue t-shirt today and I can't tell you how many people commented - "Oh, I love jetBlue!"

Out of business within 2 years? Please, do a little research on the very complex airline industry and then formulate an opinion.

I think you forgot to welcome the new poster to FT :D

I think you forgot to welcome the new poster to FT :D
hahaha, that was my warm welcome!

A couple of observations.

First, every business has customers whose expectations are unrealistic. JetBlue is a great airline but it's not perfect. If you expect perfection, or everything for nothing, you will be disappointed.

Second, it impresses me how many posters on the legacy forums like to bash B6. I think it's pretty clear that other airlines (and their loyalists) are running very scared of B6, because it's forcing them to do a better job, to deliver more value to the customer. A lot of the airlines wish they could continue making their money the old-fashioned way, by fashioning a marketplace where there is no effective choice.

It has not been a stellar year financially for B6, but the fact is that B6 has lost far less money than any legacy airline in the period since 9/11, even when accounting for its smaller size.

Nevertheless, as soon as B6 had a quarter in the red, the predictions of B6's imminent demise were immediate and legion; you could almost sense the posters salivating at the prospect.

Personally, I think it proves not only that B6 is doing a great job, but also that it has shifted the entire paradigm of the industry. It's not a legacy, it's not a WN "basic transportation." B6 is the only player in the industry that has concentrated on increasing the value to the customer, and it's had a huge impact on the industry, from F9 to DL and others.

If you really want to pick an airline that engages in deceptive advertising, my pick would be Continental. The aggressive marketing of free first-class upgrades (which are increasingly non-existent), of hot meals at mealtime (the mealtime period keeps getting reduced to virtual nothingness), of the newest jet fleet (not newer than B6's, obvbiously), etc. is increasingly out of step with a stingy management crew there that is slowly cutting CO's service to the bone.

It's certainly true that on many itineraries it's possible to buy a less expensive ticket on an airline other than B6. Personally, I'm more than happy to spend a few more bucks for B6's comfort and PTV, which makes it a terrific value.

I think the point is that you don't fly B6 just because it's the cheapest but because it's the best value.

B6 will go through some bumps in the road but it will emerge as the leading player in the U.S. airline industry.

TWA Fan 1, what an amazing and very true post!!! You are right on about everything you said in regards to jetBlue, other airlines and the industry as a whole.

Please, post that same message on a.net (if you're not a member - please joind just to post it!) Maybe you'll bring some light to the bashers of jetBlue who don't see the whole picture.

Obviously jetBlue isn't perfect - but they have already proved so many critics wrong over and over again and they are built for future success. People either love them or hate them...and the main reason is because they are so good at what they do. Please post that message on a.net as well!!

Aside from jetBlue, what other airline have a huge cult following even with out a frequent flyer program? If jetBlue is a scam, there wouldn't be soo many loyal jetBlue flyers out there... this is even true before trueBlue was lunched. As I stated in other post in the past, I will say it again, jetBlue is not perfect, no one company is... but what make jetBlue different is they at least try to make everyone happy. I have a feeling that everyone that hates jetBlue with a passion and post on the jetBlue forum here, with the exception of 1 person that I can think of, never even flown jetBlue.

TWA Fan 1, what an amazing and very true post!!! You are right on about everything you said in regards to jetBlue, other airlines and the industry as a whole.

Please, post that same message on a.net (if you're not a member - please joind just to post it!) Maybe you'll bring some light to the bashers of jetBlue who don't see the whole picture.

Obviously jetBlue isn't perfect - but they have already proved so many critics wrong over and over again and they are built for future success. People either love them or hate them...and the main reason is because they are so good at what they do. Please post that message on a.net as well!!jetBlueNYFL: Alas, Mrs. TWA Fan 1 would no longer be Fan 1 of TWA Fan 1 if I also spent time on a.net. So I am sticking with FT only :)

Please feel free, however, to post my reply on a.net.

jetBlueNYFL: Alas, Mrs. TWA Fan 1 would no longer be Fan 1 of TWA Fan 1 if I also spent time on a.net. So I am sticking with FT only :)

Please feel free, however, to post my reply on a.net.
Thank you, sir. I'll be sure to post it in the next "jetBlue sucks" debate!

I think that Jet Blue may have raised the 299 cap, that is mentioned here a few times. Take a look at JFK-SJU 22DEC (yes I know it is right before X-Mas) non stop is $349 plus tax and the connection is $399 plus tax.

I think that Jet Blue may have raised the 299 cap, that is mentioned here a few times. Take a look at JFK-SJU 22DEC (yes I know it is right before X-Mas) non stop is $349 plus tax and the connection is $399 plus tax.
The cap was raised a while ago, but those posts were made way back in 2003 (somehow this thread came back to life recently), which would explain it.

I think that Jet Blue may have raised the 299 cap, that is mentioned here a few times. Take a look at JFK-SJU 22DEC (yes I know it is right before X-Mas) non stop is $349 plus tax and the connection is $399 plus tax.
The cap was waised about a year ago to $399 each way, as stated by somedude24. Again, this is a really old, 3-year old thread and the newer fare cap has been discussed. The $399 fare cap only applies to longest routes (ie. transcon). The fare cap to Florida is $299 and some other routes have $199 fare caps. It all depends on trip distance and current fuel prices.

$399 still beats what legacy airlines charge on other routes.

$399 still beats what legacy airlines charge on other routes.
Especially on trips with little or no advance purchase.

Here's an example (NYC-SFO/OAK 10/17 with the return on 10/20)

Cheapest fares available:

jetBlue: $648.60

Continental: $1,022.00

American: $778.00

United: $1,332.90 (PS)

Delta: $720.60

jetBlue is the least expensive and certainly the best value for the money

Especially on trips with little or no advance purchase.

Here's an example (NYC-SFO/OAK 10/17 with the return on 10/20)

Cheapest fares available:

jetBlue: $648.60

Continental: $1,022.00

American: $778.00

United: $1,332.90 (PS)

Delta: $720.60

jetBlue is the least expensive and certainly the best value for the money
I love pricing examples such as yours! I really get a kick out of what DL charges on routes such as PHL-JFK, even in advance...something like $450 roundtrip for a 30-minute flight on a puddle-jumper, while jetBlue is charging around $130 roundtrip for a flight on a comfortable, safe E190 on say JFK-BOS.

Especially on trips with little or no advance purchase.

Here's an example (NYC-SFO/OAK 10/17 with the return on 10/20)

Cheapest fares available:

jetBlue: $648.60

Continental: $1,022.00

American: $778.00

United: $1,332.90 (PS)

Delta: $720.60

jetBlue is the least expensive and certainly the best value for the money

Well, often times (if not most times) for advance purchases it works the other way around where B6 is not the least expensive.

For a trip in February for SFO/OAK-NYC (non-stops only):
Continental $319
Alaska $339 (codeshares with American and/or Delta)
American $339
United $363
JetBlue $379
Delta $413

Same dates NYC-BOS (non-stops only)
Delta $124
JetBlue $131
American $141
Continental $159

I've generally found that trips booked at least a month in advance are cheaper on legacy carriers while last minute trips usually cost less on B6. I attribute this to last minute seats going more to business travelers which make up less of the mix for B6 than that of most legacy carriers.

Basically, if B6 could charge more for those last minute seats, they would but apparently the demand isn't there to do so. They're not charging less just to be generous. B6 is attempting to maximize revenue/profits just like every other airline out there; they just use a different set of variables: pricing modeled more around "everyday" than "high/low".

Well, often times (if not most times) for advance purchases it works the other way around where B6 is not the least expensive.

For a trip in February for SFO/OAK-NYC (non-stops only):
Continental $319
Alaska $339 (codeshares with American and/or Delta)
American $339
United $363
JetBlue $379
Delta $413

Same dates NYC-BOS (non-stops only)
Delta $124
JetBlue $131
American $141
Continental $159

I've generally found that trips booked at least a month in advance are cheaper on legacy carriers while last minute trips usually cost less on B6. I attribute this to last minute seats going more to business travelers which make up less of the mix for B6 than that of most legacy carriers.

Basically, if B6 could charge more for those last minute seats, they would but apparently the demand isn't there to do so. They're not charging less just to be generous. B6 is attempting to maximize revenue/profits just like every other airline out there; they just use a different set of variables: pricing modeled more around "everyday" than "high/low".No question about it.

A couple of observations.

Frist, B6 is not a "Low Cost Carrier," instead it might more appropriately be described as a "premium all-coach" carrier.

I fully agree that its pricing model usually means that its deeply-discounted seats are slightly more expensive than the competition.

Personally, I'm happy to spend a few more bucks for the additional legroom, more comfortable seat and PTV.

I mean, using your example above, I could save $60 by flying Continental, and then be subjected to industry-minimium 31" seat pitch, a criminally uncomfortable seat, and most planes which only have two lavatories for up to 141 passengers.

Then again, you wouldn't really be saving that $60 anyway, because your CO example does not include additional taxes and your actual purchase price on CO would be $338.60 which represents an actual savings of $40.

Then, there is the fact that any changes I may need to make on my itinerary are far less expensive on B6 than on the legacies.

Second, let's not kid ourselves. Were it not for B6, the legacy fares you cite would be much higher. The legacies feel highly threatened by B6 and very aggressively underprice these routes in order to limit B6's capacity to control the market. Fair enough. That's capitalism.

But if B6 were to give up a given route, the legacy fares would quickly rise. One of the example you cite is JFK-BOS. Before B6 entered that market, the fares were generally twice as expensive as what they are now. And that's where they would return were B6 to leave this route.

So, while B6 may not always literally be the least expensive, they are the best value and are definitely driving the market.

Finally, while I'm not sure which dates in February 2007 you selected (you didn't specify them) please note that my example involved selecting the least expensive fares available on any airline irrespective of departure time.

My own quick survey of Feb 2007 (outbound 02/08 & return on 02/11) revealed that the current lowest fare available for JFK-OAK on B6 (one of the two examples you cite) is $338.60.

By comparison, the $319 fare you cite for CO is pre-tax and your purchase price would actually be $338.60, the same, penny for penny, as B6's least expensive fare for Feb 2007.

Do you think that's just a coincidence?

Looks like we have a new troll who joined FT today to post a pointless, fact/knowledge-lacking comment on a 3-year old thread.

First, cuprex does not use proper grammar. Secondly, what cuprex says does not make any logical sense.

If you book and make an error, that's your own fault. The change fee is $25 online and $30 on the phone...sure beats $100 charged at other airlines. Plus, jetBlue will gladly waive the fee if you call within a few minutes because you did make an honest mistake. However, when booking a ticket you should pay closer attention to vital travel details.

I'll second jetBlueNYFL's point about changes. I had been booking a bunch of BOS-DEN trips when I was in the process of moving from Boston to Colorado, but also the occassional DEN-BOS origination when I drove one-way. I got confused one time and booked a DEN-BOS R/T when I meant to book a BOS-DEN. Called up when I realized it about an hour later, and they changed it for me at no charge.

The only reason I don't fly B6 much anymore is due to the FF program. Although I like B6 coach a lot more than any of the legacies, even more than UA E+, and I'm not one of those "I only fly when I can get upgraded" UA Warm Nuts types, I do like to accumulate miles from domestic/business trips to use on foreign leisure trips. Until B6 comes up with a tie-up with an international carrier for rewards, I prefer to accumulate in UA MP and NW WP. My wife likes the idea we're going to South America on DL for free from NW miles, and my daughter is very happy with her free ticket *A to Europe from UA. jetBlue unfortunately can't compete with this unless they get an international partner

Oh yeah and I really don't like that DEN-BOS redeye as the only non-stop choice. Not long enough to get any sleep.

But jetBlue has always done right by me in terms of onboard service and on-phone customer service. I find the trolling by cuprex curious.

Oh yeah, and when I was flying B6 regularly in 2004-2005, I did earn and had no trouble redeeming a few reward flights.

By comparison, the $319 fare you cite for CO is pre-tax and your purchase price would actually be $338.60, the same, penny for penny, as B6's least expensive fare for Feb 2007.

The $319 includes taxes but was a EWR-SJC run that mistakenly slipped into my search results. Continental into SFO was $339 in line with Alaska and American. Sorry about that.

For Y flyers, JetBlue is probably the best choice in terms of comfort and service, particularly the extra legroom in the back of the plane

For UA E+ flyers, UA offers a worldwide route system however their NY routes are weak

For other Y flyers, particularly CO, DL and AA - JetBlue is like waking up in heaven

For F flyers or those who uses status/miles to Upgrade, the legacy carriers offer better seating, free drinks and very average, usually unhealthy meal service but far more comfort than B6

I think depending on which bucket you fall into, one is going to feel strongly about why their airline of choice is better. No question though the majors all missed the boat in believing you can't have a big domestic op at JFK - I think they watched TW try and fail. Only one w an excuse is CO since they are already set up at EWR, but what major airline wouldn't want a major hub at New York.

All I have to say to this guy is that every time I want to fly to NYC from SLC I can book the flight a couple of days before and spend 1/4 - half of the price that the same route has in DL or CO, the schedule is really good cause I leave SLC @ 11:00 pm so I can do whatever I want on that day and can rest on a DECENT seat, have some entertainment just in case I want to stay up for a couple of hours, and can ask for seconds and even third snack. Never get my outbound flight delayed, OLCI is fast, arrive at NYC around 6 am and have a whole day to do whatever I need in NYC and then take the flight back home at 8:00 PM and arrive at home around 11 pm. You made your post without thinking about those passengers who find their lives more simplify flying with Jetblue. If B6 it's a SCAM, why they move the largest domestic amount of passengers @ JFK?

Some can argue jetBlue can be a rip off and a scam... Some can argue that jetBlue isn't.... I for one, for sure, dont think its a rip off and a scam. True, jetBlue can be expensive at times... but with me, even on personal travels, if jetBlue flies there, or within a reasonable driving distance, they will be the ONLY airline I look at before making reservations for my trip. I know that sometimes I can pay alot more than if I were to fly on, let say, Southwest or American... but I do know for a fact that when ever I'm on another airline, I'm always thinking one of these stuff:
1- That's it? only 1 snack selection? jetBlue gave me a bunch of stuff to pick from.
2- Where's the self service snack bar in the galley? oh wait, this isn't jetBlue.
3- That seat back is pretty boring... I read this article like a million times already in this inflight magazine... 4 hours to go.
4- They really need to fix that TV monitor, everythings like a different shade of purple... can't believe their forcing us to watch this.
5- What's this metal bar doing in this seat cushion?
6- I hope the guy infront doesnt recline... i wish theres like 3 more inches.
7- Why is the flight attendent soo angry? It's not like she's getting fired... oh wait, nevermind, she might get laid off next week.
8- I can't believe they call this an airplane...
9- They call this first class? jetBlue offers way more in coach than on this old first class seat. Where's the food... you figure they at least give you something more than these not so warm nuts.
10- That's it? wheres the can? :::rings the flight attended call button::: uhhh can I (get interupted by an angry flight attendent saying "WHAT?! would you like?)

What it came down to, after flying jetBlue a few times, is that when ever I fly another airline, theres always at least a couple of moment during that "experience" wher I'm thinking to myself... I wish I'm on jetBlue right now. It's not always the DirecTV, hell, DirecTV wasn't even on the first E190 flight I took nor was it working on at least 2 flights I've flown with jetBlue... but what it came down to was the service offered by jetBlue as a whole, from the time you visit their website to make a reservation to check in to boarding to the flight itself and even to the time you pick up the bags on the other end... its everything together that makes the jetBlue experience alot better than other airlines... and jetBlue doesn't even have that great of a frequent flyer program.... but it is alot of fun looking at the picture on the trueBlue website fill in each time you get more trueblue points!

Yeah... from my experiences on other airlines on domestics flights, in both "first" and coach... the services have degraded soo much that it got to a point there jetBlue is the ONLY domestic carrier that not only meet, but exceeds, my standards of what to expect from an airline... I never had a high standards to begin with, I mean, just in the 90s, I just expect to get from point a to point b in 1 piece... but jetBlue pretty much spoiled me to a point where money is no object... I would pay more to fly jetBlue and I understand that... but I also do know that often time, I'm not paying that much more anyways. To me, flying jetBlue is alot better than saving a couple dollars and be tourtured by the other airlines.

What it comes down to is that jetBlue is not a scam, their just really good at what they do.

What Skaterjasp said. Oh, and having slogged through this from the start, I yawn in the general direction of the trolls.

I live about seven miles from the Oakland airport in California. JetBlue is now my #1 preferred choice for any domestic US travel. I have been elite many times on both UA and NW over the past 15 years. Give me JetBlue any day. Aside from the convenience factor with OAK, a few inches of legroom and DirecTV make a transcon a hell of a lot more liveable, not to mention employees that actually behave like they are enjoying their job. And their fare structure is extremely competitive - good for both the business and leisure travel bottom lines. JetBlue is a great example of capitalism at it's best - offer a better product than the rest at a competitive price, and you can succeed. I plan to fly them for a long time.

The problem that the OP describes is that JetBlue acts like a discount, low-fare airline but more than 1/2 the time, its fares or equal to or higher than many of the major carriers, especially in competetive markets. And on those other carriers there are opportunities for upgrades, real mileage accrual, and elite status.

The problem that the OP describes is that JetBlue acts like a discount, low-fare airline but more than 1/2 the time, its fares or equal to or higher than many of the major carriers, especially in competetive markets. And on those other carriers there are opportunities for upgrades, real mileage accrual, and elite status.
First off, the OP is over 3 years old.

Secondly, all that you mention has been discussed to death on here and other forums. Sadly, the jetBlue "bashers" have no response to our arugment.

jetBlue is a LCC - that stands for Low COST Carrier. Its fares are very competitive in many markets. They are not always the cheapest. Why? The legacy airlines often beat jetBlue's fares while taking a loss due to their higher costs...all in an effort to maintain market share. In the past, when jetBlue enters a market, fares decline on average by aboout 50% across the board. This is in no way out of good will at the legacy airlines. This is nothing more than a competitve response to jetBlue. Also, jetBlue comes in as a "discount" airline by offering a $399 one-way fare cap on the longest nonstop routes and a simplified fare structure with only $25/$30 change fees.

jetBlue is a MAJOR airline - as defined by the DOT as an airline generating $1 billion or greater in revenue.

Opportunities for upgrades are much harder to come by these days. In addition, elite status means nothing too about 90% or so of the flying public. For those who it does mean something to - many waste time and money just trying to get to the elite level.

Real mileage accrual?? TrueBlue is not for everyone, but I would not call it a "Fake" loyalty program. For me, it is great...especially since I fly about 40 domestic flights a year - 36 or so of which are on jetBlue routes. While points expire after one year, there is a major plus for AMEX JetBlue card holders...they don't really expire. WIth jetBlue, it's 100 points for a free ticket...do the math compared to miles at other airlines, and yoou often need to fly less for an award with jetBlue. In addition, you can book one-way trips using half of the 100 points. And I just love not paying fees last minute and having no blackout dates like at other airlines.

Again, what works for you does not work for others. So please do not criticize jetBlue since your needs/wants differ from others. Thanks!

Is it just me, or does any one else feel that this thread should be locked and never see the light of day again 3 years from now? ;)

Is it just me, or does any one else feel that this thread should be locked and never see the light of day again 3 years from now? ;)
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Definitely

agree...and take the sticky off the burbank thread. It's time for that to go.

Look back on this site, you doubters. You were warned. Jet Blue, the new "chic" airline is an audacious rip-off and a scam. The business model is BAIT AND SWITCH. This is accompanied with a media blitz with no compairson in aviation history. Lot's of seemingly smart people saying "They have television." Well they don't have any upgrades ever, they don't have any meals ever, they don't have any frequent flier miles (or rewards that are worth anything) and guess what, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE LOW FARES. People who must have taken one flight in their life jam travel magazines with voting for Jet Blue as the best airline around (because they flew once and managed to snag a tightly controlled low fare to the docklands area of Oakland) Several times since this scam was launched, I called this airline and NEVER got a fare that wasn't ridiculous. Tommorow morning in America, some of our most gullible fellow citizens will be standing behinding you holding Jet Blue Tickets that cost $500 because they bought into this ridiculous hype. A low fare airline that has no benefits and treats its customers like cattle should at least have, LOW FARES, no?

Huh? :confused:

I'm a regular on the new IAD-JFK service. No one else offers me a $100 r/t fare (including tax/fees!). And... it's a roomier plane than any of the majors, not to mention the quality service (which tops DL or US -- the shuttle carriers -- by LEAPS AND BOUNDS).

jetBlue is a LCC - that stands for Low COST Carrier. Its fares are very competitive in many markets.

LLC is Limited Liability Company
IE:
Cingular Wireless L.L.C.
David's Pizza L.L.C

Has nothing to do with the product offered. I do wish that Jet Blue would begin service in MSN, ATW, GRB, or MKE in the very near future.

LLC is Limited Liability Company
IE:
Cingular Wireless L.L.C.
David's Pizza L.L.C

Has nothing to do with the product offered. I do wish that Jet Blue would begin service in MSN, ATW, GRB, or MKE in the very near future.


Yes, LCC is also call Limited Liability Company....but if your gonna get all technical... jetBlue is actually JetBlue Airways Corporation, not JetBlue Airways LCC. LCC is also commonly use to refer to Low Cost Carriers in the aviation industry. Low Cost Carriers are basically airlines such as jetBlue and Southwest.

LLC is Limited Liability Company
IE:
Cingular Wireless L.L.C.
David's Pizza L.L.C

Has nothing to do with the product offered. I do wish that Jet Blue would begin service in MSN, ATW, GRB, or MKE in the very near future.


Yes, LLC is Limited Liability Company, but LCC, in the airline industry at least, stands for Low Cost Carrier.

Ah. This I was not aware of.

I don't think I get why the rant from the poster :td: Glad we have free speech though.

I always and still think B6 & SWA is a good example of the "keep it simple stupid" model of doing business in a very difficult industry. Crandall himself said in the recent AA documentary he'd never invest in an airline. So for B6 and SWA to make money considering the business climate - I'd say kudos!

My perspective is I stay with AA and want my status only because of the international reasons not domestic as most FC upgrades don't seem of value anymore - though I am hopeful with the baby boomer retirees they will demand more with their buying power and we will see a turn in services.

I would hardly call jetBlue a scam... They have their issues but I'd rather fly them on a transcon flight then AA. Their planes are head over heels more comfortable then AA and they do serve more in the form of drinks and snacks. The one big compliant I have about jetBlue is their ontime performance or lack there of. They really are bad when it comes to arriving or leaving on time. The last five jetBlue flights I've taken have been over three hours late leaving or arriving. Most of their spoke stations do a nice job at keeping your informed and providing snacks and drinks but I'd rather get home vs. sitting in an airport. I know a few folks who work for jetblue and they are having some internal management issues right now they need to work through. Hopefully this won't go on for much longer.

WAAH, WAAH, WAAH!!! At least on Jetblue you have "humanity" in air service, not like other's who pretend your NOT there!! Quit .....in or fly someone else.
JETBLUE LOVER!!!

This airline is SCAM KING
If u book and make an error it costs $30

They offer nothing on their planes
They have the most irregular service records
of any airline.........
They have over 100 incidents that they have yet to
respond to...
Fly at your own RISK,
DONT BE FOOLED BY DECEPTIVE ADVERTISING...

THEY SHOULD BE OUT OF BUSINESS WITHIN 2 YEARS

I'm no JetBlue fan, but I don't understand why anyone would call it a scam.

Get some help.

I have only flown JetBlue once... from EWR to FLL... last Thanskgiving... now, given that our flight was considerably delayed, about three hours, JetBlue was fantastic in taking care of its customers. First off, when they first learned the flight would be delayed they informed all of us and told us we had time to leave the security area of Terminal B to go find some dinner. Later, when we all returned, the flight was delayed even longer. Within minutes, drinks and snacks showed up at our gate. Everyone was able to come over and enjoy something as we waited. The staff was always friendly and courteous and eventually they got us out of there.

Now, personally I really chose not to fly JetBlue just because I like to earn miles and not points. Also, I enjoy having access to the international award system of Skyteam. But otherwise, Jet Blue is top notch. Yes, you might at times pay 598 r/t (the max) but most of the time, the prices are well inline with normal lower fare / mid fare pricing of the majors.

"NOW YOU KNOW- JET BLUE IS A SCAM"

odnyc

It is people like you who are ignorant of the cost of flying. You speak as if paying $500 for a round trip ticket is expensive. If you want a good meal and your a$$ kissed, charter a plane, or buy a first class ticket on one of many choice's of legacy carrier's. How about a tiny lear jet, NY-FL, can't stand up. You get good catering, no tv. minumum 20k round trip. Look at margins of today's airlines, very very low. Billions to budget, with only a few million to be made. The self entitlement of today's flying public, makes me want to puke. I would say for the most part jetblue has a great value. I can spend thousands on another airline and still wouldn't be able to watch my favorite show, or watch the superbowl live. However other airlines do have +'s and -'s. I think you have to choose what option's you have and select the airline that best suits your needs for the trip you need to take.

This thread was started four years ago. The arguments are tired. The OP is long gone. Let's move on.

"NOW YOU KNOW- JET BLUE IS A SCAM"

odnyc

It is people like you who are ignorant of the cost of flying. You speak as if paying $500 for a round trip ticket is expensive. If you want a good meal and your a$$ kissed, charter a plane, or buy a first class ticket on one of many choice's of legacy carrier's. How about a tiny lear jet, NY-FL, can't stand up. You get good catering, no tv. minumum 20k round trip. Look at margins of today's airlines, very very low. Billions to budget, with only a few million to be made. The self entitlement of today's flying public, makes me want to puke. I would say for the most part jetblue has a great value. I can spend thousands on another airline and still wouldn't be able to watch my favorite show, or watch the superbowl live. However other airlines do have +'s and -'s. I think you have to choose what option's you have and select the airline that best suits your needs for the trip you need to take.

And your point in digging up this old thread was what?