Cathay Pacific Asia Miles - does anyone see cx as a force in lhr-nyc?

Hi all, I am intrigued by the slot-swap between vs and cx...1 slot at lhr for 1 slot at hkk.....I wonder what the effect will be on transatlantic fares, already at lows......

As CX will be excercising 5th Freedom traffic rights between NY and LHR, they would have to offer even lower fares than the current UA,AA,BA,VS flights as they, like AI and KU only have one flight a day compared to several a day each of the majors do.

You *might* see some special fares especially in Business and Economy class sold through major consolidators at both sides of the Atlantic.

But CX is hoping to cash in on full fare Business travellers with their brand loyalty. The everyday Joe-Blo wouldn't care less about what airline he flew as long as he got on.

But having said that, CX might very well, just offer their flight number to a codesharing partner ie AA and let them operate the frequencies, in addition to their one flight a day in each direction.

For Business travellers, the main moot point is the time of the flight. So even if they are loyal to CX, they would go with the airline that offers them the best timings instead. However, I am sure if it's 'points' and AAdvantage members don't want to fly on American and can't accumulate on BA flights, they might jolly well just reschedule their times to fit around the one CX flight.

All we can do now is wait and see what CX will do.

IMHO, the JFK flight will most likely be tagged to CX253/252.

So it will be an evening flight LON-JFK, and also late evening (redeye) JFK-LON.

CX will probably try to codeshare with either BA/AA to make flight more attractive, plus accrue miles to either programme

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by peasant:
IMHO, the JFK flight will most likely be tagged to CX253/252.

So it will be an evening flight LON-JFK, and also late evening (redeye) JFK-LON.

CX will probably try to codeshare with either BA/AA to make flight more attractive, plus accrue miles to either programme</font>

or perhaps the late evening return (JFK-LHR) will use the incoming CX888 from HKG/YVR (arrives late in the evening into JFK) with the incoming plane from LHR into JFK continuing west to YVR/HKG to make it truly RTW on the same metal.

CX flights in eligible fare classes can already accrue miles in AAdvantage/EC regardless of codesharing or not with AA/BA.

But certain routes can be excluded from mileage accrual for commercial reasons, so it is not inconceivable that AA would black out these flights as they do BA's.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Shareholder:
But certain routes can be excluded from mileage accrual for commercial reasons, so it is not inconceivable that AA would black out these flights as they do BA's.</font>

aa does not block those flights, the usa government does

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Shareholder:
But certain routes can be excluded from mileage accrual for commercial reasons, so it is not inconceivable that AA would black out these flights as they do BA's.</font>

currently within the oneworld alliance, all eligible fare classes on all oneworld airlines accrue miles in the oneworld FFP of your choice. the only routes i can think of which cannot accrue miles are the ex-LHR AA/BA flights but this only occurs due to DOT and not becuz of commercial reasons.

when CX does operate LHR-JFK, it's not a whole new revolution. things will very much be still the same with the exception of having CX flying across the Atlantic. why does some people think all the rules of AAdvantage is going to change just becuz of such a minor thing ? lots of airlines of the same alliance operate their own metal between city pairs and never have i heard of such "exceptions" for mileage accrual due to commercial reasons.

[This message has been edited by jakob (edited Dec 01, 2003).]

I think it's a good thing for the route but until I can upgrade with AA VIP's AA gets my business.

Some full-fare J AA JFK-LHR pax will no doubt think hard about switching to CX -- better food, better seats, better service, of course at the expense of limited choice of flight times.

Of course, full fare AA J pax should arguably be upgrading to F on every segment (10000 miles each way across the Atlantic). And it's considerably less obvious that CX J beats AA F, even in Coffins rather than Suites.

I wonder if the new entrant might spark some new JFK-LHR bonuses, on both carriers? CX has certainly been generous with their Pacific bonuses over the past few years, in a way that AA hasn't been.

I think it will be a nice addition to have CX flying this golden route, but don't think it will pose any threat to AA or BA. It will just be an additional OW presence on this golden route.

With the high volume travelers on the JFK-HKG route, it will be a nice additional daily flight for folks traveling to HKG. CX can possibly issue a RTW ticket and it will be nice to be able to take advantage of the tail wind eastbound -- HKG-YVR-JFK, and then JFK-LHR-HKG.

Of course, I wonder if CX will keep the YVR-JFK flights once the LHR-JFK flights come aboard. The nonstop HKG-JFK flights will certainly not be happening for a while.

I also hope that with this additoinal flight, CX will finally hire its own staffs at JFK. I can't deal with those BA agents at JFK... not pleasant at all!

Carfield

The YVR/JFK flights will stay as CX will market a round the World flight number.

The YVR/JFK flights will stay as CX will market a round the World flight number.

Looking at the YVR flight info site: http://www.yvr.ca/flightinfo/fids/ifids/ifid_Frameset_DEP.htm

I see CX889 arrives YVR from JFK&LHR. Is AA or CX operating the trans atlantic portion.




http://www.inflightreviews.com/North%20America%20Pass.htm

Looking at the YVR flight info site: http://www.yvr.ca/flightinfo/fids/ifids/ifid_Frameset_DEP.htm

I see CX889 arrives YVR from JFK&LHR. Is AA or CX operating the trans atlantic portion.




http://www.inflightreviews.com/North%20America%20Pass.htm

I really woulnd't trust anything that www.yvr.ca puts on their website... the flight is an error. CX889 departs form JFK to YVR.

www.yvr.ca once even listed a flight on Air Tahiti Nui from PPT to YVR to CDG. When even the airlines themselves hadn't even negotiated landing rights for the route.

any news on cx and the lhr-jfk route?

aa does not block those flights, the usa government does

The US Government (nor the UK Govt., for that matter) does not block FF earning/redemption on USA-LON flights - AA and BA created the FF arrangement between themselves in order to protect their respective premium pax traffic flows.

currently within the oneworld alliance, all eligible fare classes on all oneworld airlines accrue miles in the oneworld FFP of your choice. the only routes i can think of which cannot accrue miles are the ex-LHR AA/BA flights but this only occurs due to DOT and not becuz of commercial reasons.

Again, DOT has nothing to do with the restriction - AA and BA could offer USA-LON earning & redemption tomorrow if they so wanted, but they do not want to. It is simply a commercial arrangement between the airlines to prevent the poaching of premium pax.

When is this service expected to start?

When it does, the CX forum will be the notified. So in the meantime, just wait.. till maybe past 2007.

I am absolutely positively IN FAVOR ^ and EXCITED about CX adding JFK - LHR. :p To me they should dominate the planet with their service as it's impeccable.

Once they offer this service rest assured I am going to be signing up for a round the world flight just on CX alone....YVR-JFK-LHR-HKG-YVR

I cannot wait..... :D Can't wait to hear when this service will begin :)

Again, DOT has nothing to do with the restriction - AA and BA could offer USA-LON earning & redemption tomorrow if they so wanted, but they do not want to. It is simply a commercial arrangement between the airlines to prevent the poaching of premium pax.


It is about anti-trust immunity, which AA/BA do not have for their alliance. UA/LH on the other hand do have this immunity.

When is this service expected to start?Not for years. Most of the competing airlines have filed objections, and CX is now being held hostage to the future EU-US Open Skies agreement (which the UK seems determined to defer for a decade or two). The earliest would be 2008 at this point. CX has bad luck with getting new routes; look at Moscow which has been imminent for several years, but keeps getting pushed back with more problems.

Whats the use of the 777-200LR when the plane can travel for 22 hours? If no airline can fly around the world without open sky agreement for every country, these plane is useless... maybe....
I can only feel this plane is worthwhile buying for AirNZ from AKL-LHR direct!.

As much as people are excited about CX getting LHR-JFK, it is a low priority and low revenue route for CX. Because it is going to be served, at most, once a day and when compared to AA or BA with 5-6 daily flights. CX also has to discount heavily to fill its seats, and people from YVR will not want to go through the US just to fly to LHR, no matter how attractive the prospect is.

Unless CX can come up with a better solution.. maybe YVRLHR direct, the plans are not high on CX priority list.