Trip Reports - New SWISS A340 vs. A330 Gva to Jfk




Bretteee
Mar 2, 04, 11:11 am
I had originally planned to try out Continental, as they recently began operating 5 nonstop flights weekly between Geneva and Newark / New York.

However when I noticed that SWISS was operating their newly delivered A340 once a week between Geneva and JFK, I decided to switch over to SWISS. The schedule indicated this aircraft Wednesday westbound and Tuesday eastbound. The other 6 weekly flights are operated with the A330.

GVA to JFK:

Usually check-in at Geneva is a breeze. This time, I was chosen at random to take my bags to the end of the terminal and wait at least 10 minutes to have them searched / tested in the baggage area. This seems to be a new policy for US bound flights.

When we passed security, unlike 5 months ago, we did not have to take our shoes off. No idea why this policy no longer exists.

Unfortunately SWISS 2 weeks before departure downgraded the equipment to an A330 from the A340 originally scheduled, but at least on the return I got to fly on this aircraft.

The load was about 30% full. In F it looked as if they had only 1 passenger; there are 12 seats.

In C out of 42 seats, it looked about 1/3 full and in Y out of 142 seats it was also about 1/3 full.

A few years ago this flight in February / winter time was full of American skiers. This market seems to have evaporated. Maybe due to 9/11, the weak US dollar, the development of US and Canadian ski resorts and the lack of advertising. Swissair used to actively advertise ski vacations in the US media which SWISS no longer seems to do.

The crew as usual were extremely friendly. In my experience they really generally are the best.

The A330 were ordered by Swissair and in my view the seats in Y are very narrow (17.3") and hard. Even if one has 2 seats to oneself, they are hard and after 2 hours it feels it.

After take-off we were served the usual beverages. But one thing was missing! The cheese sticks they used to serve with the beverages were gone. However I only noticed this, after reading somene's post about Austrian who serve pretzels with the beverage.

Pretty smart on SWISS management's part to have cut this out to save money. I had not noticed this.

SWISS announced about 1 year ago they were going to serve typical Swiss food on their westbound US flights.

Well the choice consisted of either tortellini or chicken, mashed potatoes and vegetables. Mmmm did not seem very typically Swiss to me. I have a funny idea that to cut costs they are serving food catered in New York which with the weak dollar is cheaper.

We were sitting right at the back. Fortunately, just as the remaining 5 of us still had to be served, they told us they were out of chicken but they did have veal available.

This was veal zurichois; veal in a cream sauce with rice and obviously typically Swiss. It was the first meal on SWISS that had a generous portion and that tasted OK.

Cheese was Camambert, a tasteless American salad of lettuce and dressing, 2 rolls, and a delicious Apricot sponge cake.

However it was so tiny. It seems that on every flight the cake gets smaller and smaller and smaller. A centimetre cut off here and another one there. Management probably spend hours plotting how they can cut more cake to cut the losses.

Fortunately, my co-worker who is on a lifetime diet gave me 1/2 of her cake which made it sufficient.

Because I knew that AF served champagne in Y I asked whether they offered it. I was told they did have an Italian sparkling wine which was delicious. They hide it and don't seem to want too many people to know about this.

When the steward noticed that my coworker was terrified as we entered severe turbulence, he offered her an Irish Bailey. I had no idea they offered after dinner liquors. This is another thing they seem to try to keep hush, hush.

A few hours later we were offered a Movenpick chocolate ice cream. This was the first time they served a normal flavour. Usually they serve something exotic which I do not like.

Before landing we were offered 2 sandwiches; curry and turkey with 2 chocolates.

This was my first SWISS flight where the food was actually better than the previous flights.

JFK to GVA:

Unlike the summer months, check in was a synch with no waiting. The Zurich flight before us looked empty. The Terminal includes a small mosque, church and synagogue which is a nice feature. We saw a few Egyptians flying on Egyptair praying in the small mosque.

As we passed security, the crew of the SWISS flight to Zurich were also in the process of doing so. The Captain was consistently buzzing the machine. He had to pass 3 times and was asked to take his shoes off as the crew waited for him. He did not seem to be happy. There was a rain storm and their flight was due to leave in about 30 minutes.

We were happy to see the newly delivered A340. Finally my chance to travel on this plane.

The load was about 20% full. There are 8 seats in F, 48 in C and 172 in Y.

We had practically the whole Y cabin to ourselves. The plane looks more spacious than the A330, yet the seats are only 17.3 inches wide like the A330.

The colour scheme of beige is very pleasant; but not a good idea. One could already see some stains on the seats. I believe that C is blue.

The C seats fold into sleeping beds like on BA. The seats in Y were a bit softer and more confortable than the A330. However I noticed that Airbus seats are not deep which takes some getting used to.

We waited on the tarmac for one hour as there was only one runway open for both landing and takeoffs due to the rain storm.

Meanwhile an American guy accross from us started eating his dinner. He very proudly announced to the flight attendant that he had brought his own food with him. It stank! For 30 minutes we had to smell this awful stuff, whatever it was.

An article in the Herald Tribune mentioned that flight attendants in the US are not happy as some people bring terribly smelling food on board and leave a mess in the cabin.

The entertainment system did not work for 3 hours. Finally they fixed it but I found it complicated to use. Maybe because I was too tired by then.

A nice feature is that you can watch the takeoff on the video screne but because it was night time, all we saw were yellow blobs.

The crew as usual were friendly. Dinner was below standards. My coworker took the tortellini which consisted of 7 dried pieces with dried tomato sauce.

I took the chicken which consisted of 3 pieces of small chicken in a mushroom sauce, rice and vegetables. It tasted OK but it was so tiny, we were starving. The usual American green salad, tasteless monterey rubbery cheese and a tiny plum cake. The food tasted OK but the portions are disgraceful. The 2 rolls with butter saved us from hunger.

Breakfast was a yoghurt, croissants, rolls (they came by twice) with strawberry jam. Quite tasty.

We found the crew great until we landed. Because of the rain storm we were one hour late. We had switched seats and just as we were getting our stuff (we were right in the back), a steward with plastic gloves rushed to us and said ..."you must leave quickly; otherwise we will lock the doors."

We were in shock! I have never been thrown out of a plane on landing nor rushed like this; neither on Southwest nor on Easyjet who have to turn their flights around quickly.

As we walked into C again we were told ....."hurry they are going to lock the doors!!"

As we got to the front door the Pursar said "Oh here they are!"

We really were not too happy about this. The 2 cleaning women and 3 security guys were waiting.

I don't see why they could not enter the plane and had to wait for us to get out. I have seen cleaners board immediately.

They told us they had to clean other flights and that we were slowing them up.

I have pictures but I was unable to copy them on the report. If someone can tell me how, I will try again.


InterflugIL62
Mar 2, 04, 1:48 pm
Bon rapport.

"As we walked into C again we were told ....."hurry they are going to lock the doors!!"

Too, too funny. If it were a Cathay 744 in First I would say, go ahead. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

I love all the details. When Swiss joins Oneworld I want to fly their AA codeshares.

How was the legroom on the A340? I have flown the A330 and it was nasty. My family complained and said never again. On the MD-11 from LA it was ok. I enjoyed the long haul meals on Swiss but now that they are cutting back on catering I can see them going after long haul food as well.

Thanks!

Bretteee
Mar 2, 04, 4:06 pm
Good question. I forgot to mention that the legroom on the A340 I believe is about 1" more than on the A330.


monahos
Mar 2, 04, 5:23 pm
Thanks for the A330/340 comparison, Bretteee.

I am always entertained by your extreme interest in the size of the dessert, having a bit of a sweet tooth myself http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

InterflugIL62
Mar 2, 04, 5:45 pm
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by monahos:
Thanks for the A330/340 comparison, Bretteee.

I am always entertained by your extreme interest in the size of the dessert, having a bit of a sweet tooth myself http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif</font>

Yes, but as the airline is Swiss they need more chocolate!! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif merci

tomashi
Mar 3, 04, 4:23 am
Nice report. Sounds like the food on SWISS is far better than on Austrian Airlines. And they even serve a midflight-ice cream-snack! Oh yeah... thanx for mentioning my little pretzels-story!

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Bretteee
Mar 3, 04, 9:25 am
&gt;&gt;I am always entertained by your extreme interest in the size of the dessert, having a bit of a sweet tooth myself http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif[/B][/QUOTE]&gt;&gt;

Yes, unfortunately I am a "cake junkie." I lived in Vienna from the age of 4 to 6 and I assume that's why I have a cake "obsession." I stop and stare at all the cake shops.

Bretteee
Mar 3, 04, 9:42 am
&lt;&lt;[QUOTE]Originally posted by tomashi:
Sounds like the food on SWISS is far better than on Austrian Airlines. And they even serve a midflight-ice-cream-snack! Oh yeah... thanx for mentioning my little pretzels-story.&gt;&gt;

Yes thanks to you I suddenly realised that SWISS cut out the cheese sticks with the beverage service. Maybe it was a good idea as I did not even notice it. Very crafty of them. They do still offer a warm towel though which is nice but really no big deal.

I have never been very impressed with OS catering (nor their crew who always look sad and depressed), which is disappointing as I am a big fan of Austrian cuisine; I could live just on Wienerschnitzel, gurken salat and Apfel Strudel (from Gersteners; the best!!!).

I would like to take Lauda one day, but I doubt I will ever have the opportunity as they do not fly in my neck of the woods.

If I am correct the food on Lauda is better than OS? Yet it is the same company.

On Airlinemeals.net the OS food on long distance flights, atleast from a year ago looked quite nice; better than SWISS. It seems that most are cutting down.

If the food on SWISS Y is better than OS than I shudder to think what it must be like.

I will post the SWISS meals on Airlinemeals.net in a few days.

&lt;&lt;Pictures would be nice!&gt;&gt;

I enjoyed looking at your pictures. I remember Schwechat when you had to take a bus to the plane.

I will try to copy the few pictures but I am a computer klutz.

FLYGVA
Mar 3, 04, 9:42 am
Thank your for the comparison of the A 330 / A 340.
Perhaps I will take "Swiss" in Summer to Asia, but I am not quite sure if I should do so (beside, it depends, if the dates of my holdiay did not have to changed).

JetE
Mar 3, 04, 12:26 pm
Thank you for the description of the Y experience on the A340.

I recall the SWISS marketing touting the slim carbon-back seats as giving up to 2 extra inches of legroom and that the pitch was going to be 32-33 inches. All that translates to significantly better than average legroom - on paper. I still haven't had the chance to try it out.

So far, I've only been on their MD-11. I wonder how the A340 compares to the MD-11 in terms of legroom.

airoli
Mar 5, 04, 4:43 pm
I did ZRH-JFK-ZRH around the same time as Bretteee, and agree with most of his remarks. The cake did get smaller, and I wouldn't have noticed the missing cheese sticks.

I also suffered a "downgrade" from A340 to A330 on the outbound, but my flights were booked solid both ways. ZRH-JFK I even got upgraded to C, so I can't comment on the ex-ZRH catering in Y. It was quite good in Business except for the salad course which was missing (cut last year).

A FA friend told me once that the ex-ZRH food for Y was purchased in the Netherlands and trucked to Switzerland deep-frozen.

On the JFK-ZRH A340, my IFE worked properly after about 15 minutes of "startup trouble" where the image was offset in the screen. I was sitting in the exit row, so I can't comment on the Y legroom. I had the chicken dish which I found terribly bad. I was glad to have eaten something in the lounge where they now offer pre-flight hot dinner.

They did not distribute Swiss chocolates on JFK-ZRH, what a shame!

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Bretteee
Mar 6, 04, 11:49 am
&gt;&gt;The cake did get smaller&gt;&gt;

Thanks for the confirmation; so now I know for sure that I am not imagining it.

&gt;&gt;I wouldn't have noticed the missing cheese sticks.&lt;&lt;

Funny that we both did not notice the missing cheese sticks. Interesting that is cheaper to bring the food from Holland than catering it in Zurich. When TWA used to fly to Geneva a flight attendant told me that buying food from Swissair kitchens was exhorbitant.

monahos
Mar 6, 04, 5:52 pm
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">When TWA used to fly to Geneva a flight attendant told me that buying food from Swissair kitchens was exhorbitant.</font>

Given the price of a mediocre plat du jour in Geneva, I am somehow not surprised...

OT, I too have always been very fond of the 'chariot des desserts' in restaurants http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

InterflugIL62
Mar 8, 04, 5:29 pm
Oh my you people are making me hungry!!

f4free
Mar 8, 04, 11:27 pm
Tell me more about the pre-flight dinner ... Which lounge? What food?

Sounds good, though. Almost like Virgin.

airoli
Mar 9, 04, 12:47 am
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by f4free:
Tell me more about the pre-flight dinner ... Which lounge? What food?
</font>LX lounge at JFK, C class side. They had about 3 hot dishes (fried rice with vegetables, some meat dish and a pasta variety) and some cold items like cheese, crackers and fruit. All available buffet-style. Not quite as good as Virgin at EWR, but still a lot better than Y class onboard food.


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InterflugIL62
Mar 9, 04, 1:42 am
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by airoli:
Originally posted by f4free:
Tell me more about the pre-flight dinner ... Which lounge? What food?
</font>LX lounge at JFK, C class side. They had about 3 hot dishes (fried rice with vegetables, some meat dish and a pasta variety) and some cold items like cheese, crackers and fruit. All available buffet-style. Not quite as good as Virgin at EWR, but still a lot better than Y class onboard food.




Ok, who has access to this lounge?

When Swiss joins Oneworld and then I have access as an American Platinum/Oneworld Sapphire, will I get access to this buffet?

gruezi, merci, ciao http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

airoli
Mar 9, 04, 6:30 am
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by InterflugIL62:
Ok, who has access to this lounge?</font>Standard LX lounge policy. The lounge is also shared by Asiana and SQ I believe.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">When Swiss joins Oneworld and then I have access as an American Platinum/Oneworld Sapphire, will I get access to this buffet?</font>If you get into the lounge, then you have access to the buffet.



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InterflugIL62
Mar 9, 04, 7:30 am
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by airoli:
Originally posted by InterflugIL62:
Ok, who has access to this lounge?</font>Standard LX lounge policy. The lounge is also shared by Asiana and SQ I believe.

<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">When Swiss joins Oneworld and then I have access as an American Platinum/Oneworld Sapphire, will I get access to this buffet?</font>If you get into the lounge, then you have access to the buffet.


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danke

InterflugIL62
Mar 9, 04, 7:31 am
So Airoli, if I should come to Zurich, very likely once Swiss joins Oneworld, are you buying the chocolate? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif ciao



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