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Eastbay1K
Jan 2, 03, 10:18 pm
Chile Part IV – General thoughts and comments and tips

Driving: Do not hesitate to drive or rent a car, despite my car rental experiences. The main highways are excellent, and the tolls aren’t outrageous. National speed limit is now 120 km/h outside urban areas and 60 km/h inside – unless otherwise posted. There are signs letting you know when you are in urban zones. Other highway signs are ok, but you have to pay attention. On the highways, the left lane is for PASSING. You don’t use it (nor need to) unless you need to pass, as traffic isn’t heavy on the highways. City driving outside of Santiago takes a bit of special attention, but isn’t harrowing at all. There’s no need to have a car in Santiago. Taxis are cheap and plentiful, and the Metro is great.

Food: On 3 trips, I have not suffered any food borne illness, and I have eaten in all sorts of places. I always buy bottled water for drinking, but don’t think the ice or anything else is of real concern. As anywhere, including the US, standard precautions are in order. The fruits and vegetables are of the highest quality and at the peak of freshness now. I always went into a supermarket (often as nice or nicer than those in the US), and kept some fresh fruit for my room. Hotel breakfasts, often included, aren’t all that great, and outside of the nicest of hotels, have instant coffee and are heavy on sweets and toast. Ham, cheese, toast, pies/cakes, yogurt – typical.

Change/Money: Always keep plenty of small change and small bills. Many small businesses can’t make change for a CH$5.000 note, and sometimes not even for a $1.000 note. The $100 coins are heavy (new ones are coming out, but I only saw one of them), but you will need as many as you can keep. Your money goes a long way in Chile. Outside of fancy hotels and restaurants, you can eat decent meals in the US$5 to $7 range, including wine or a pisco drink.

Ethics: High – fewer people will try and cheat you here than in the US. If you try and tell people not to bother with making change for what you consider a nominal amount, they will seem surprised and insist. And don’t even try and bribe a police officer (Carabinero), as that will end up getting you in serious trouble.

Language: My experiences in Chile wouldn’t have been the same if I was not functional in Spanish, to the point of decent, yet slow, conversations, and every car rental (and related incidents), every airline transaction (including the carry-on issues), and the like taking place in Spanish. It should not stop you from going, but you won’t be able to converse much with local people, even in your small-town hotels. However, smiles, sign gestures, and the like will go a long way. Your limited high school Español may not go too far here, as if you ask for an Ave Palta con Schop, you will get a chicken and avocado sandwich with draft beer.

Airport Lounges – There is a national chain called Pacific Club. They are in many of the airports. Last year, you could enter with any Citibank or Diners card – but this year, they have to be issued in Chile. They are also Priority Pass affiliated. You can buy a day pass for only CH$10.000 – drinks are comp, so its worth it if you have a drink or two and use the internet terminal. The SCL lounge also has a shower (and the PMC one may too, but I wasn’t’ sure). I paid for entries in 2 locations where I had a lot of airport time – the second time (at PMC), I emptied my wallet and pocket of all my CH$ - as I wouldn’t need it anymore, which was about $1.000 short, and he said it would be fine, and wished me a happy new year, before making my PiscolaLight (yes, I know it sounds icky in English).

Weather – Flip the west coast of North America from, say, the tip of Cabo up through maritime Alaska. Mine just happened to be exceptional on the whole trip – not too hot in the north, and magnificent in the south. Central Chile is just like the California coast in summer – late night and morning low clouds along the coast, clearing in the afternoon, hot inland. Ocean temperatures are similar, too.

Internet Access: The country is full of cheap internet cafes ranging from $400 to $1.000 per hour. Warning – many are on poor dialup connections. Look or ask for “Banda Ancha”.

For those looking for the “time of your life” full of fun and excitement, Chile is not the place for you. For those looking for an absolutely great time, in an inexpensive modern land of pleasantness, spectacular and varied scenery, people who make an extra effort (ok, I could go on for awhile…) it IS the place for you. My eyes were not completely dry as the plane took off from PMC.

So there you have it, lots of information about Chile. Too much for some of you, not enough for others, and much of what some of you have asked to hear about. Disfrutelo!


LLZ
Jan 2, 03, 11:00 pm
Great report and I agree with all your analysis. I have stayed, and will do so in the future, at the Hotel Cabrera. I prefer it just because it's the orignal and oldest 5-star in Santiago. May not have all the bells and whistles (and, perish the thought, no miles/points) of the Sheraton but I like the location and the service...top notch.

It really is a great location and as another poster, benoit, pointed out, Latin America is kind of left out here on posts sometimes. I think it mainly has to do with lack of speaking the language, which is sad, because if you've ever had french classes, spanish will be a breeze and the pronunciation is MUCH easier than any other "latin" language.

AS Flyer
Jan 2, 03, 11:32 pm
I've always wanted to visit Chile and your report has just sent me over the edge. That will be my next vacation, without a doubt!!! Thank you!


mauld
Jan 3, 03, 6:23 am
I've never been to South America, and have been seriously contemplating a quick/long weekend trip to either Santiago or BA, your comments have pushed me much closer to Chile. Now, all I have to do is find a way to get down there in Business class cheaply on CO/UA/US (where my upgrade miles are). http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif
PS-- I'd be a woman travelling alone, most likely just in Santiago, should I be concerned about safety???

KathyWdrf
Jan 3, 03, 2:53 pm
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by mauld:
....I'd be a woman travelling alone, most likely just in Santiago, should I be concerned about safety???</font>
The short answer is NO.

But of course there can be dangers anywhere in the world.

I made my first trip to Chile in November and found the country to be more prosperous, cleaner, and safer than just about any other Latin American country I have visited (i.e., Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama).


Kathy

Seat 2A
Jan 3, 03, 4:23 pm
Thanks for this excellent report and summation. I have made three trips to Chile and look forward to making many more! This report does a wonderful job of describing both the physical and cultural beauty that is Chile. Thanks again! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thumbsup.gif

AAaLot
Jan 3, 03, 4:56 pm
I am going next week. Thanks for the info!

cnicklo
Jan 3, 03, 10:20 pm
If you have the chance, try to get down to Chilean Patagonia. My partner and I flew to Punta Arenas from Santiago and then went up to the Torres del Paine National Park for a week staying at an awesome lodge called explora. The park was gorgeous -- totally unspoiled, few tourists, awe-inspiring vistas of mountains and tuquoise lakes made blue from deposits of lapis lazuli.

Explora was an incredible retreat. Great rooms, great guides and a full selection of activities on offer each day (with gourmet meals and fine chilean wine awaiting upon your return) explora was expensive but definitely worth it!

Chris

LLZ
Jan 3, 03, 11:10 pm
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by mauld:
I've never been to South America, and have been seriously contemplating a quick/long weekend trip to either Santiago or BA, your comments have pushed me much closer to Chile. Now, all I have to do is find a way to get down there in Business class cheaply on CO/UA/US (where my upgrade miles are). http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif
PS-- I'd be a woman travelling alone, most likely just in Santiago, should I be concerned about safety???</font>

No, as with any big city, just use some common sense. Some/many latin males have the idea that north american women are "loose." You could be subjected to cat calls (although I have never witnessed this in Santiago or Buenos Aires) but those are simply some macho tactics. Ignore them, if they even happen, and you won't have any problems.

Obviously, you would not want to patronize bars (except expensive ones or hotel bars....which are expensive anyhow). There have been cases of women being raped going to the wrong bar, but this can happen in the U.S. too.

Getting around at night just simply take a taxi from your hotel to where you're going and then have that establishment call a taxi for you. You should be just fine.

Latin America is still fairly formal. Conservative/classy dress and appearance will get you better treatment and service. How odd huh? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif

Have fun. B.A. and Santiago are about the only two cosmopolitan cities left in S.A. where it's safe (even safer) than NYC.

Use the hotels' concierge service for recommendations and I can also give you some for both cities if you'd like.

llquim@hotmail.com

Buen viaje!

[This message has been edited by LLZ (edited 01-03-2003).]

DKM
Jan 4, 03, 3:48 pm
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by cnicklo:
If you have the chance, try to get down to Chilean Patagonia. My partner and I flew to Punta Arenas from Santiago and then went up to the Torres del Paine National Park for a week staying at an awesome lodge called explora. The park was gorgeous -- totally unspoiled, few tourists, awe-inspiring vistas of mountains and tuquoise lakes made blue from deposits of lapis lazuli.

Explora was an incredible retreat. Great rooms, great guides and a full selection of activities on offer each day (with gourmet meals and fine chilean wine awaiting upon your return) explora was expensive but definitely worth it!

Chris </font>

I'm staying at the Explora in Patagonia in April. It'll be my first time in Chile, so I'm really looking forward to it. I've wanted to visit Torres del Paine for a long time.

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