Trip Reports - LAX-SDF on NW and LAX-BWI on UA




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the-ca-goat
Oct 18, 02, 12:38 am
A Tale of Two Airlines

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times…

Sorry to be so clichéd, but I've got an excuse: I’m still a trip report novice. Things should get progressively better.

Most of my trips are fairly banal and usually not Trip Report worthy. But, inspired by Dickens, I figured, what the heck--write a comparative report on the 2 trips that I made last week on 2 airlines.

Wed., Oct 9
6:25a.m. depart LAX- arrive MEM 11:59a.m.
NW 550

Complimentary upgrade cleared and e-mail notification received 3 days prior to departure.

This trip actually began on Tuesday when I checked in from my computer at work before leaving the office for some business in Orange County. It took all of about 30 seconds—ahhh, technology, ain’t it great? Now all NW needs is online baggage check in http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif I forgot that I’d need to check bags anyway at LAX and when so doing I usually don’t check in online, as I need to go to the counter to get my bags checked anyway.

Wednesday morning I parked my car in Lot B and made it to LAX terminal 2 at about 5:30 for my 6:25 a.m. departure. There was barely anyone in the airport and I was helped nearly immediately by a NW agent. I got the wake up I needed when my heart skipped a few beats after opening my wallet to pull out my driver’s license and couldn’t find it. I ended up having to clear the entire contents of my wallet only to find the license hiding between two credit cards. I started breathing again and handed it over to the agent and mentioned that I have already checked in and just needed to check two bags.

“Sir, you’re not in first class how come you were standing in that line?” He said as he seemed somewhat annoyed with me.

“Are you sure?”

“Yes” he replied

“That’s not what my boarding passes say” as I hand him the printouts.

“Oh, I’m sorry, I typed in your name wrong. Next time all you need to do is tell me that you are gold elite.”

“No problem” I said.

He printed me up some “real” BPs on ticket stock and checked my luggage and I was on my way after he scolded me: “you know you almost missed your flight—you need to check in earlier.” http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif NW’s agents at LAX are usually kinder and gentler and know what they’re doing.


I thanked him and walked to the gate and waited for 15 or so minutes until boarding began.

Once on-board, a full selection of pre-flight bevs were offered, and orange juice was gladly accepted. We had a nice rollout and until the tail end, a smooth flight into MEM.

The standard NW breakfast was offered on this flight: eggs or cereal. Not a huge cereal fan, I went for the eggs, which were in the form of an omelet with runny Swiss cheese and accompanied by potatoes, sausage, fresh fruit (grapes, melon, kiwi, and a strawberry). Sweet rolls and bagels with cream cheese were also offered but I declined. Overall, it was a pretty good breakfast—and the FAs were very attentive and professional throughout the flight. I stuck with OJ for breakfast but managed to down a couple of bloody marys towards the end of the flight (the second was at the prodding of the FA—I just can’t say no.)

We had a slightly bumpy descent into overcast MEM, a smooth landing, and a quick taxi to the gate for a slightly early arrival. This was only my 3rd time in MEM and was happy to meet up with our fellow FTer, azj.

12:40p.m. depart MEM – arrive SDF, 2:55p.m.
NW 3500 (Mesaba)
Avro RJ-85

Soon after sitting down in 4J in what has to be the most comfortable “RJ” in the world, I set my watch 3 hours ahead to local Louisville time. Being that it is now well after noon, I happily accept a James Page while boarding finshed up. I was pretty jazzed to be in this Avro as it was only my second flight in one—my previous flight was this summer aboard a RJ-100 and it was in coach, seated in a window seat with no window.

Well, I did have a window this time and when I looked out of it I had the odd feeling that I was sitting in the basement of a 747--4 engines right there and a wing above me. If you get a window seat for the view, I’d recommend sitting in row 3 or forward.

We had a quick and smooth flight over to SDF during which I enjoyed yet another James Page—the tastiest inflight beer out there. Zoe, our FA, seemed somewhat disappointed when I declined a snack, so I humored her and grabbed a bag of the infamous SPINZELS—I haven’t tasted them in a long time and figured it’d be worth having a current frame of reference on which to base my arguments next time this hot topic comes up on the NW board. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Soon after landing in SDF my bags roll down the carousel and I meander over to the Thrifty counter to pick up a Dodge Intrepid. I seem to always get one but really don’t like this car—it is very difficulty to check out the blind spot. I should’ve asked for a downgrade.

Stayed at the Downtown Louisville Hyatt Regency—the staff there was excellent.

Louisville seemed like a nice enough town, though I didn’t do any sightseeing—though I hope to return to check out the Bourbon Trail, particularly the Makers Mark distillery just south of town.

3:50 p.m. depart MEM - 4:04p.m. arrive SDF
NW 3524 (operated by Mesaba)
Avro RJ-85

Complementary upgrade and email notification again received at the 3 day window. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Having finished business earlier than expected, I took an earlier flight back than I had originally planned on taking. I arrived at the NW counter about an hour before the 3:50p.m. flight to MEM and had no problems checking in and getting to the gate with plenty of time to spare—enough time to call some pals in CA and talk with my newly acquired Southern drawl.

The flight departed SDF and arrived into MEM on-time. Our FA was once again Zoe, who even remembered me from the flight yesterday. Once again a full selection of pre-flight beverages were offered to the full FC cabin. Once in flight, Zoe did a commendable job keeping the James Page flowing.

5:20p.m. depart MEM- 7:20p.m. arrive LAX
NW 555
A-320

After a quick and easy walk from the C concourse over to the B concourse, I arrive at the gate just as they are about to begin boarding. Having sat on planes enough in the last 24 hours, I didn’t board ‘til the end and I didn’t have a preflight bev, and don’t remember being offered one—probably due to the late boarding.

Dinner was offered on that night’s flight: chicken in wine sauce with mashed potatoes or baked ziti with sweet Italian sausage (a new offering, or at least new to me.) I opted for and enjoyed the chicken. It was accompanied by some sort of cold beef appetizer, small side salad and dinner roll. I had a glass of chardonnay, which wasn’t too shabby and helped enhance my enjoyment of the small talk with the guy seated next to me.

After the main course, our trays were promptly cleared and my seatmate started to get—for lack of a better term—giddy. For he knew what was to come: sundaes. “The best part of the flight!” according to him. He took his with everything and I went with my usual chocolate and walnuts.

Desparately tired, I passed out about an hour outside of LAX and was awakened by the wheels hitting the pavement. The FA asked me if I slept well as I deplaned—“very” I replied.

This is the part where things get kind of interesting i.e., the worst of times: After the walk downstairs and the general LAX carousel confusion and 15 minute wait my bags arrived and I headed over to the shuttle stop for the bus to lot B. I boarded the bus with a FA from our flight and a guy who turned out to be a NW pilot who was non-revving on our flight with his fam. We all chatted. The bus was packed and was eager to get off of it and get home. I was exhausted—so tired that I accidentally left a suitcase on the shuttle bus in the bag rack. I didn’t realize this until I got home at 10:00p.m. Had it been my own personal suitcase with clothes in it, this would not have been that big of a deal, however, this was my work suitcase and it had a fairly expensive display in it—one which I couldn’t afford to lose. So, for 2 hours I called LAX lost and found, and whoever else I could get a hold of down there, without any luck. I decided to head on back down to the airport at midnight to hunt for it myself, even though I had gotten a grand total of 6 hours of sleep over the past two nights. My search that night ended unsuccessfully at 2:30a.m. and I ended up sleeping in my car, too tired to make the hour and ten minute drive home. After a couple hours on the phone early the next morning, I was very lucky to locate the bag at Globe Ground’s (the company who operates the parking lot shuttles) LAX office http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif Airlines (okay, just United) have lost my luggage many times in the past, this was the first time I’ve lost my own bags. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

To be continued…





[This message has been edited by the-ca-goat (edited 10-19-2002).]


the-ca-goat
Oct 19, 02, 11:57 am
Part II

The next trip…

Okay, so I got up fairly early and headed back down to LAX lot B—it’s been about 12 hours since I was last there. I drove a little to fast and made it in just over an hour.

Saturday, Oct 12
UA 298
A-320

Preflight

I arrived at the airport about an hour before my flight (which had been moved up 15 minutes since I booked it. I wasn’t notified by UA so I was lucky not to be any later than I was) and contemplated going through security at terminal 6 to avoid the crowds at 7, but for no reason at all decided against it. I ended up trying to use an easy check in kiosk, but the kiosk had other ideas and sent me to an agent. I walked past the economy check in--the line was nasty—-and got in the business/premier queue which was very short. I was helped immediately by an agent.

I wasn’t sure what cabin I’d be flying in since UA did not give me e-mail notification about my upgrade as I had gotten from NW earlier in the week. I didn’t care all too much but I had 4 500 mile upgrades which were to expire this month and hoped to use them up--and since it took 5 in each direction, our very own Bonk very graciously offered to sign one of hers over to my account. Alas, without my asking, the gentleman checking me in said, “I’m sorry, you are still on the waitlist for an upgrade and it doesn’t look too good.” No problem, I thought. He handed me a boarding pass and departure management card. I thanked him and was on my way.

Unlike Terminal 2 where NW is located, Terminal 7 does not, as far as I could tell, have an elite security line. When I got up on to the second level to go through security, the line was not too long, but it was moving fairly slow. It seemed as if the TSA had now taken over here. The men and women working there seemed more thorough and more professional than what I’ve experienced in the past at T 7.

After clearing security, I started walking down the T 7 corridor when I realized I had no idea what gate my flight was at. Duh. I decided to walk back and check the monitors next to the RCC. It turned out that my flight would not be departing from T 7; I needed to head over to Terminal 6. I was disappointed that I decided against going through security there in the first place. Nevertheless, I was consoled by the fact that the walk isn’t too long and the views of the tarmac and runways are very good.

The gates that UA uses at T 6 are fairly shabby: everything is sort of dingy and worn looking and the PAs do not work very well. Happily, we didn’t have to sit there long, our flight was on-time today.

Since things didn’t look good for the upgrade, I decided to pre-board with all of the people who would be riding up front, and all of the other Premiers in back with me. We pushed back just a few minutes late and were on our way.

Inflight

United has much better entertainment options than NW, free headsets for listening to a wide selection of music as well as free movies. The film on our flight was “Like Mike” and I had no problem passing on it for what has to be one of United’s best features--Channel 9. I know it appeals only to a limited audience, but I for one really enjoyed listening to it all of the way across the country today.

We were served two snacks on the flight to BWI: first was a small breakfast snack, either a bagel breakfast sandwich which had ham, eggs, and cheese on it, or (I think) pancakes (but it could have been French toast.) I went for the sandwich, which was not bad--pretty much what you'd get at McDonald's. It came with a small container of cubed melon and some sort of muffin in plastic wrap. I didn’t try the muffin but the melon was good. There was no skimping on the beverages with breaky today, full cans were offered to all.

The FAs came around with Starbucks coffee after the breakfast and then water sometime later. I skipped both.

IIRC, sometime over Cleveland Center the FAs came around with beverages (full cans again) and another snack—-something I’d never had before on UA, a plastic bag containing: chips and salsa, dried fruit, crackers, and some sort of processed cheese spread. I thought it was a great idea, and very easy for the FAs to serve, but ultimately fell short for my tastes. The salsa was fairly disgusting as was the processed cheese spread (surprise), nothing else in the bag was really that tasty either. This snack could be pretty good with a few minor changes.

We arrived at the newly relocated UA gate (at the end of Pier D if memory serves me correctly) right on time.

Non Flight

Since I didn’t check any luggage I headed straight towards the stop for the shuttle to the Amtrak station. It was a fairly long wait—over 20 minutes—I was starting to worry about making the train back to D.C., but finally a bus showed up, and as luck would have it, the train was late. I made it to Union Station in one piece and headed downstairs to catch the metro to meet my mom and little sis, Megs, at DCA.

This trip was to be a reunion of sorts—Megs just moved to DC from MN this summer and I thought it’d be fun for us to all have a weekend together again like old times. What I had forgotten was that old times weren’t always that great. Sure enough, things had not changed very much and mom and Megs were at each other’s throats within ½ an hour. I tried to stay clear of it all, but ended up siding with Megs. Mom overreacted and decided to take the next flight back to MSP http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif. Well, there was one bright spot: I used my WP miles for her ticket so she didn’t have to pay $100 change fee and difference in fare http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Since Megs had to go to OKC for work the next day, I ended up staying in D.C. at the Grand Hyatt by myself for the weekend. Though, all in all, I ended up having a pretty good weekend.

Saturday:
1.) Introduced Megs to Ethiopian food at Meskerem in Adams Morgan.
2.) Checked out her new apartment and swung by her office.

On Sunday I:
1.) went to church
2.) watched football
3.) watched the Twins (play a really good 6.5 innings… http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif )
4.) went for my first jog on the Mall. (The good news was there wasn’t any sniper fire in the immediate vicinity. The bad news was that there were a heck of a lot of stoplights between the Capitol and the Lincoln Memorial, which made the jog kind of crappy—not like my usual jog in the foothills of Southern California. The good news made the bad news a non-issue.)

On Monday I:
1.) Headed over to my ex-girlfriend’s downtown office to surprise her (I think it worked.) We went out for lunch and caught up on old times.
2.) Went to the nearby International Spy Museum, but the wait was over an hour just to get in, so I skipped it and
3.) Checked out the somewhat less exciting, but still good, Corcoran Gallery.
4.) Called up one of my old college buddies who, as luck would have it, was just getting into town. We met up at the hotel and went out for tapas, and then headed over to Adams Morgan. We didn’t stay out too late because I had an early flight back to LA the next morning.

Tuesday Oct 15
UA 299
757-200

I made it to the check in counter again about an hour before departure (this flight had been moved back 15 minutes since I booked it--UA made no attempt to notify me beforehand or at LAX on my outbound flight, but since the flight was pushed back, it was irrelevant) and only had a short wait behind 2 or 3 other pax in the queue. Since I was unable to upgrade the outbound I called UA while in DC to put in for the return, and it cleared immediately. At check in the agent asked me how I would like to support the upgrade. I said with the 4 500 milers in my account and the one which was kindly signed over to me by Bonk. She gave me the “you’ve got to be kidding” look and typed away at her keyboard. “Sir, what is your friend’s FF #”

“I dunno.”

“Well, I can’t give you one of her upgrades if you don’t know their number.”

“Yeah, but look at the PNR we both called UA to make sure it was kosher and she was able to sign one over too me. I wasn’t able to upgrade the outbound, but the agent at LAX said everything was set up.”

She typed away and then read the contents of my PNR aloud, which said exactly what I told her. And then she thought about it for a minute and said “Yeah, but that’s not possible. Since the upgrades have gone electronic now, they are non transferable. Do you want to buy a book of certs, use 10,000 miles or sit in coach?”

Not willing to put up a fight at this early hour, “I’ll sit in coach” I answered.

“I’m sorry sir but their aren’t any window or isle seats left so I’m going to give you a middle seat.” She got a grin on her face and then said “I’m updating your record to say: customer has been advised he is not able to upgrade using 4 certs from his account and one from Bonk’s. Do not upgrade. Passenger has declined purchase of certs or use of mileage.” Par for the course today. She probably figured since I didn’t really try to argue with her that I’d try my luck with someone else. She had good intuition because that was my idea until she typed that in my PNR.

I did thank her after she handed me my boarding pass, however, I also told her that “I don’t know all of the rules at UA, but I and all other UA flyers should get straight answers when we call in to inquire about this stuff.” She could see from my PNR that I was obviously told one thing on the phone and she told me another at the airport.

She did agree on that and left the blame with reservations “they don’t know what goes on at the airport.” I dropped it and headed for the friendly TSA folks at security.

The security line was lengthy but moved with due celerity. I made it to the gate and there was no line at the podium so I figured if I had to sit in the back, I’d try to get a non-middle seat for this 4+ hour flight. When I approached the GA she said, “Are you here to check in?”

“Nope, I’ve already done that.”

“Oh, then you want to volunteer” she replied.

“Your looking for volunteers? Sure I’m game.”

She took my BP ripped it up and said, “We’ll definitely need your seat.” She handed me a departure management card and I thanked her and sat down.

A few minutes later another agent walked by where I was sitting and asked me if I had volunteered. I nodded and she motioned for me to follow her over to the podium at the gate next door.

She rebooked me through ORD and gave me a VDB voucher for a trip within the U.S. 48—I tried to get a $ amount travel credit instead, but was unsuccessful.

UA 253
B767-300

I was assigned seat 11J, in the front of the economy plus cabin and was probably the last person to board the roughly ½ full aircraft. The overhead bins around my seat, however, were not half full and I had to hunt around for a place for my bag. Unsuccessful in my search, I asked the FA who was loitering about the curtain between F and Y if I could stick it in the last bin in F (This, you see, I would normally not attempt because I am often frustrated by coach flyers who stick their bags in the overhead bins in F and grab blankets and pillows on there way back to Y—but as I was the last person to board the aircraft and F was lightly filled and there was lots of empty overhead bin room, I felt okay with asking.) She looked at me as if I was from another planet and said “No. Those bins are for first class only” and directed me towards the rear cabin. Actually she followed me back there and about a dozen rows behind where I was sitting; I found an empty bin.

I was frustrated, but admired her for upholding the “sanctity” of the front cabin. My seatmate in 11H witnessed the whole thing and didn’t feel the same way; as I sat down he asked, “So did you find a spot back there for your carry-on?”

“Yep, quite a ways back.”

“She was a b*tch.” He replied.

“Par for the course with me and UA employees this morning.”

We talked intermittently on our way to ORD and it turned out that he commutes weekly from BWI to ORD and had done some big time advertising and graphic design—some of the work I am just getting into now (on a smaller level.) I wished I had some of my work with me so I could have gone over it with him, but I was on vacation. When we weren’t talking--I again enjoyed Channel 9.

“Breakfast” and beverages were served about 45 minutes into the flight (it seemed like a long time.) Breakfast was a box containing yogurt, a muffin in plastic wrap, and some sort of vanilla breakfast trail mix type stuff. The yogurt was yogurt, I didn’t try the muffin and the trail mix was interesting. I had juice with breakfast and accepted a cup of Starbucks, which the FAs came around with after clearing our breakfast refuse. Besides having the best IFE, United has the best IFC.

We landed in ORD and taxied to gate C 22, arriving just a few minutes ahead of schedule. I was disappointed to hear that my connecting flight was at C 18 as the pursuer gave us connecting gate info (something they rarely announce on NW.) I actually think that the tunnel is the coolest thing on UA after channel 9, the 747-400, and the 777. So, for old times sake, I needlessly headed down there for a circuit on the moving walkways.

I still had time to kill when I got back up to the C concourse so I went over to the W.H. Smith (or whatever it is) and picked up some stamps as I had a bill in my carry-on that I meant to mail in D.C. Caveat emptor: two $.37 cost $1.25 here. Not a huge loss, but still a rip-off.

UA 107
B777-200

When I got to the gate, I decided to try to use my 4 remaining 500 milers and walked to the GA station that is in front of the seating area at C 22. An agent named Kevin helped me out and he was a really nice guy. He smiled as I approached and offered his condolences (I was wearing my twins cap—he said he had empathy as he’s a Cardinals fan. We bonded.) He asked if I’d like a window or isle. “Window,” I said.

“Oh, sorry, they’re all taken.”

“Okay then, whatever you’ve got is fine.” I replied.

“Well let’s try and get you something further back so you can see the screen.”

“Oh, so it’s not a int’l 777? I’ve never been up front on one of those and have been hoping to try one out.”

But it was my lucky day, “no, I’m sorry it IS one. We don’t have to worry about the screen then.” He said.

Kevin issued me a boarding pass for 11E. I thanked him and was on my way.

Once on board I walked through the F cabin and tried not to noticeably drool on the seats—it looked pretty darn nice up there. Walking further back I became a little disoriented as there were 7 seats across the Business class, I was only expecting 6 since I have had the pleasure of sitting up front on UA’s domestic 77s where there are only 6 across.

11E turned out to be a middle-bulkhead seat in the second J cabin. It was a comfy seat, but if you are much taller than me (I’m a just out of midget range at 5’ 7”) you probably would have your feet up against the wall if you recline. Comparing this seat to NW and CO’s J class seats, I would have to rank UA’s behind both. Although the UA seat has rotating lumbar support, NW’s and CO’s have much more width, and NW’s also has more legroom, and a greater recline. Nevertheless, I was still very happy to be sitting where I was. NW no longer flies ANY widebodies—much less anything with int’l J class seats—within the continental U.S., and CO’s are a rara avis.

Before departure the FAs came around with trays of OJ and water.

After takeoff, we were offered a full beverage service along with a bag of snack mix (with stale, unspun “SPINZEL” like pretzels and almonds.) I enjoyed a bloody mary and soon after finishing it, the meal service started. We were offered a choice of a hot roast beef sandwich or Southwestern (I think) chicken salad. I went with the beef--it wasn’t bad but it wasn’t hot. It was accompanied by red onions, tomato, lettuce, and horseradish sauce on the side, some sort of pasta salad with pesto (which tasted a lot better than it looked) and UA oft served cheesecake (which was also tasty.) The flight attendants were very good on this flight: they achieved the perfect balance of professionalism and doting. Though our row may have gotten better service than the rest, as the middle-aged guy sitting next to me was really flirting with our middle-aged FA. She made regular passes through the cabin to offer drinks after the lunch service was complete, and he made regular passes at her.

Unfortunately, channel 9 was not available on this flight; however, we were pampered with a choice of 4 movies on this mid-con flight. I watched “Lucky Break” on my PTV.

We arrived at LAX on time (I was a few hours later than I had expected, but a VDB voucher richer) and despite the confusion over VDB compensation and upgrade procedures at BWI this morning, all worked out well and I had a good trip back to LA.

Wow, who knew I could write so much, so quickly, about so little?


[This message has been edited by the-ca-goat (edited 10-19-2002).]

azj
Oct 24, 02, 9:53 am
Nice reports Mr. Goat. Nice to meet you in MEM as well... I think you should make these are regular occurance on FT.


AZJ


the-ca-goat
Oct 24, 02, 3:51 pm
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redface.gif Someone read it! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Glad to see you are back, azj--and I hope those senoritas went easy on you on your little trek.

IndustrialPatent
Nov 8, 02, 9:50 pm
I read it too, goat... I forgot to make a comment and I apologize. Hope to read more from you in the future!

the-ca-goat
Nov 9, 02, 1:12 pm
Industrial,

No worries. My comment was a little tounge-in-cheek.

Anyhow, in the not too distant future I hope to write some fabulous reports where gorgeous flight attendants fawn over me on my way to some exotic vacation locale. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

IndustrialPatent
Nov 10, 02, 4:28 pm
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by the-ca-goat:
...in the not too distant future I hope to write some fabulous reports where gorgeous flight attendants fawn over me on my way to some exotic vacation locale. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif</font>

You're booked on Hooters Air? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Buster CT1K
Nov 10, 02, 10:25 pm
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by IndustrialPatent:
You're booked on Hooters Air? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

</font>

Thanks for writing a great trip report. Sorry to hear the UA staff was mean.

the-ca-goat
Nov 11, 02, 4:36 pm
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by IndustrialPatent:
You're booked on Hooters Air? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

</font>

riiiiight http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif



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