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Mats
Dec 26, 01, 3:03 pm
21 December Delta 724 Columbus-Cincinnati B757-200 Seat 6C

Check in
I arrived at the airport at about 6:00 am for a 7:00 am departure. There was no line at the First Class/Medallion counter. There were maybe a dozen people in the main line. The agent was friendly and efficient; I received my boarding cards within 60 seconds. Unusual for a domestic flight, I received a SkyTeam priority tag for my checked bag.

Security
There were perhaps two or three people ahead of me in line, so the wait was about five minutes. The wait was strictly due to the fact that the woman overseeing the metal detector was also checking tickets and identification. In other words, the wait was not really due to tighter security. I did not set off the metal detector and my bags (laptop included) were not of interest to the screeners.

As usual for Columbus, the screeners were too busy yelling at the passengers to worry about weapons (“If you got a laptop it betta’ be out’ the bag!” was a constant refrain.) I call it “guilty until proven innocent” security screening.

I was seriously unimpressed with security at the gate. Our flight was delayed because they were busy rifling through the pilot’s briefcase and frisking him. Yes, the pilot. Yes, that was the reason for the delay. I can only hope that this sort of hoo-hah will end once more people take to the skies.

I’m firmly against “random” anything. As an epidemiologist, I’m statistician of sorts; the idea of “randomness” is rather inconsistent with my view of the world. If I were looking for patients with colon cancer, I wouldn’t perform random colonoscopies in the hospital waiting room.

Above all, yesterday’s “Richard Reid” incident from Paris to Miami makes me quite concerned. AA security at Charles-de-Gaulle tends to be very tight, but it didn’t work. This leads me to believe that even the most stringent airport security isn’t the answer. It seems that maybe we should put our efforts into intelligence rather than screening. Unfortunately, the wounds are too fresh and most people seem interested in “faith in government” rather than public dialogue (an understandable reaction.)

On board
I was spared from public frisking and belt-buckle inspection. I settled into 6C in the back of first class, where I was promptly offered a decent cup of coffee. There were perhaps 10 people in F and maybe 30-50% in Y. The flight itself was a mere 24 minutes. I completed the Sky magazine crossword puzzle by about the 19th minute. We cruised at about 5,000 feet for a low, smooth flight.

Arrival
Cincinnati was busy, but not as busy as previous holidays. Above all, it was calm and clean. The line at Starbucks was as enormous as usual. The one woman working at the counter was the incompetent, snarling type that I’ve come to expect from the CVG Starbucks. The whole place seemed like an uptown Methadone clinic (not that I've spent time in Methadone treatment.) A line of weary addicts waiting for surly service.


21 December Delta 123 Cincinnati-Los Angeles MD-11 Seat 10H

Boarding
There seemed to be only one passenger, a weary businessman, who was a “selectee” for belt-buckle inspection and non-erotic frisking. I made my way on to the MD-11 without a fuss. This was my first trip aboard a Delta MD-11 (I had been on a Finnair MD-11). The interior seemed indistinguishable from the 767-300; a bit wider, but not in any drastic way. Unlike Finnair, economy looked like a cramped nightmare. It was full or close to it. I cannot imagine a lengthy transoceanic trip in that cabin.

There were two empty seats in BusinessElite, one of them was next to me (yippee!)

On Board
The cabin crew were outstanding. Unerringly professional but warm and approachable. They are, after all, one of the reasons I’m loyal to Delta. From the minute I stepped on board, they ensured that everyone had plenty to drink, pillows, blankets, etc.

The BusinessElite seat... one of the reasons I chose flight 123... remains a pleasure. Comfortable, easy to maneuver, etc.

Entertainment was excellent. Recent movies with in-seat video. Excellent service for a domestic flight.

Catering
Uh-oh.
This flight used to offer menus, a selection of three entrees for breakfast, and a second service of a cheese plate with dried fruit. Not anymore. The unwritten choices were an omelet or Product 19 cereal. I chose the latter, which came with a banana, uninspiring melon with pineapple, and a lukewarm raisin muffin. It was an economy class meal with slightly nicer crockery. Seriously bad news.
As we all know, catering tends to be cyclical. In a few months, Delta may put money back into it.

Arrival
We took an approach that I don’t think I’ve ever experienced. And I’ve been to LAX far too many times. We taxied past all of the remote stands for the Tom Bradley International Terminal. It was a new (and lengthy) taxi for me.

Terminal 5 was a zoo. It was crammed with people, all of them looking frustrated. Bags took 45 minutes; the priority tag was ineffective.

Then it took another hour to get from the parking lot to the street. This was due to traffic, misguided police, and random vehicle inspections. La Cienega featured the worst traffic in memory. I’ll be leaving Los Angeles in a few hours and I can’t wait!

23 December Delta 341 Los Angeles-Honolulu B767-400 Seat 4E
Before leaving for the airport I checked the Delta web site to see if my flight was on time or if the airport had closed down or anything like that. When I clicked on “My Itineraries,” there was a button marked “Check In.” Since I am without a Medallion this year, I thought that I wouldn’t be eligible for virtual check in. The link asked one moronic security question (“Do you understand the meaning of airport security?”) and printed out a boarding pass that was otherwise indistinguishable from a regular Delta boarding pass.

The airport was fairly tame. I realized that my bag was getting heavy and large, so I decided to check it. There was only one person in the First/Medallion line, so there was no wait. The agent was friendly and was deeply impressed by my boarding pass. He was too skeptical and asked the security questions again (this used to happen when Continental agents didn’t trust the e-ticket machines. They’ve all had the fear of god put into them about not asking the pitiful, useless questions. The FAA slaps a $5,000 fine on the airline if they forget to ask. Gee, thanks to that we haven’t had any problems with airport security. Oh wait a second—wasn’t there something a couple months ago?)

Security
A Delta agent scrutinized my driver’s license to no end and then let me pass to the restricted concourse. Again, the airlines haven’t figured out that our licenses don’t contain secret messages about terrorist intentions. In fact, I could probably wear an “Ask me about my Taliban affiliation!” button without causing alarm.

There was no line for the metal detectors. I went through unscathed. Some guy used the TNA machine to look for C4 in my laptop. It looked like it would be really easy to steal a few computers. But we all now about that.

Boarding
Delta has those really slick flat screen monitors in LAX, which now feature maps of the airport. Boarding began 45 minutes prior to departure and featured the usual crowd of people who seemed to think that the plane would leave without them if they didn’t board immediately. Two Delta agents checked ID’s while another two operated the boarding pass readers. The pass reader agent was impressed with my self-prepared boarding pass.

There was a scary looking agent in gloves rifling through one woman’s belongings. It seems like they only choose one selectee per flight. How do you say “waste of time” in Arabic?

I tried to snag seat 4E, but a drunk woman begged me to take 4D. I detest the center section, but I don’t want to be the snot mouth guy who says no to minor request.

I’d like to imagine that first class to Honolulu is some sort of celebrity playground filled with beautiful people. This cabin seemed to feature the obese and the intoxicated. It was rather like a flying frat party. I’m not a big drinker and the smell of alcohol was nauseating.

We were about 20 minutes late out of the gate for no ostensible reason. They announced that one passenger should come to the front of the aircraft with his belongings. Since his name wasn’t “REID/R MR,” I’m assuming that this was a bump or a NRSA rather than a terrorist.

In Flight
We had an incredibly fast taxi and took off in an instant. It was fantastic!

One of the drunk people behind me went into a full-blown panic attack on the runway. The whole “Oh my god! Oh no! I’m gonna’ die! Oooh Aaahh Oooh Ahh!” routine. Her husband (a man of remarkable largeness) was not helping. I know I should be more sympathetic, but I really wanted to tell her to shut up. She eventually drank herself into some sort of stupor.

The cabin crew on this flight were again excellent. There always seemed to be one of them looking after the FC cabin. They were all smiling, professional, and remarkably normal

Since most of my family lives in Honolulu, I flew to Hawaii many times when I was little. We used to always fly United (back in the days when they wore electric blue muu muus.) I remember those obnoxious “senior mamas” on those flights. It was like a cabin crew of insane first grade teachers. There was one nasty schoolmarm with spooky white hair who is still a legend in my family.

The senior mamas on United also insisted on moronic Hawaiian nonsense. They would always say “Mahalo” and show lousy promotional films about Hawaii while serving pineapple-laced airplane chicken. The scary white hair lady would always say, “Thank you for letting us show you our little corner of the world.” As if she was the only one to ever live in Hawaii.

Delta doesn’t do any of this baloney. No ukeleles, no in-your-face pineapples. It’s just an airplane. And I like it the Delta way.

There was no “senior mama” mentality on this flight. I complimented the purser and she was delighted to hear me say that. She emphasized that Delta’s cabin crews are some of the very best. I agree. She wasn’t overjoyed with the 767-400 because she felt that it was too cramped for passengers. Yeah, it’s not as nice as BizElite, but it’s not bad. Economy looked better than on the MD-11.

Catering
No menus, no warm nuts, no separate salad course, no choice of salad dressing. But I knew that was coming. The choices were chicken fettucine, steak, or crab cakes. I chose the latter. They were typical airplane cuisine… a bit soggy, but not bad. The rice and vegetables had that distinctive airplane food rice taste. I can’t describe it better than “airplane rice.”

The salad wasn’t thrilling but it wasn’t bad either. Mixed greens with hearts of palm, tomato, and Greek dressing.

The crew offered a choice of lukewarm rolls, which were quite good despite their inadequate temperature.

The good news was dessert. Unlike Business Elite sundaes, the domestic sundaes are substantially larger and not rock solid. I inhaled a sundae and loved every second of it.

Entertainment
This flight had two cycles of in-seat video. I was busy with work and then didn’t feel terribly interested in any of the movies. I watched my own DVD of You Can Count On Me. An amazing movie. I know little about acting and drama I knew that this was good stuff.

Arrival
To everyone’s delight, we landed about fifteen minutes early. We had a long taxi for no obvious reason. HNL was not very busy except for three Air Canada jumbos en route to Sydney, Toronto, etc.

“Aloha and welcome to Honolulu” are some of the most beautiful words in the English language. (The others are “Your test results were negative,” and “Sure I’d love to go to dinner or the movies sometime.”)

I waited far too long at the wrong baggage belt, so I can’t tell you if my priority tags meant anything.

Rental Car
I decided to get my own car to make life easier for me and my family. For unclear reasons, Budget was the cheapest and their cheapest rental was a Ford Ranger pickup truck.

The Budget agent was extraordinarily pleasant for midnight and the whole process took less than 20 minutes from terminal to car. It’s hell to park, it guzzles gas, and it drives like an Impala station wagon. I should have put my Jetta in my carry-on.

Updates to follow. -Mats.


LLZ
Dec 26, 01, 4:45 pm
Nice report and hilarious United commentary.

In the 70's from age 8-12 my family lived in Hawaii and flew Braniff (the classiest airline ever IMHO) exclusively as they went direct to Dallas.

Always wondered what the "Aloha Friendship" service was like. Now I know http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

BizJet
Dec 27, 01, 8:03 am
I always enjoy your trip reports!!

How would you compare comfort up front on the 757 vs the 767-400 vs any other DL aircraft?


Gaucho100K
Dec 28, 01, 10:46 pm
Thanks for the very enjoyable report... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

N866DA
Dec 29, 01, 11:43 am
BizJet....

If I may provide my own opinion in response to your query, I think the 757 and 737-800 are probably the most comfy aircraft in domestic F these days. I know some people don't like the new F seats, but I enjoy them. The domestic 767s (-200s and -300s) are generous with seat recline as long as you're not in row 3 on the 762 or row 4 on the 763, but 2-2-2 in a 767 is not as nice as F on the narrowbodies equipped with the new seats.

The PTVs on the 764 definitely help pass the tme, since I don't usually watch airplane movies unless I'm using a PTV unit. I know TechOps had been looking into reconfiguring the PTVs on the 764 to seatback units in order to increase seat width, but I don't know what has happened to that plan since 9/11. The 764 would definitely benefit from something like that.

Mats
Dec 30, 01, 10:52 pm
Honolulu
What can I say? It was great. Most of my family lives in Waikiki, so I’ve begun to wonder why I still live on the Mainland. I’m going to plan to make the move after I graduate in another couple of years.

I didn’t really do much other than hang out with my family on the beach. My aunt is a brilliant cook, so I’m now feeling horizontally empowered, so to speak.

I’d ordinarily be devastated to leave Hawaii, but I do have some semblance of a life in the Midwest, so it’s not all bad. I’m also sure that I’ll be back in Hawaii in a few months.


30 December Delta 1578 Honolulu-Los Angeles B767-400 Seat 6E
I once again used the internet check in, which was so easy. It’s like magic. There was minimal traffic on a Sunday morning, so I made it to HNL without a fuss. The inside of the terminal appeared empty. Until I saw the line for security. It snaked all the way out to the other side of the building. It actually moved fairly quickly, given the sheer number of people (747-400s headed for Seoul and Narita, a DC-10 to Las Vegas, and my flight.)

The Delta supervisor, Barbara, pulled Delta passengers aside and helped us jump in the line—skipping past about 25 people. It took me about 45 minutes to get from the airport entrance to the gate. It was mostly boring more than anything else.

Security
I did not set off the metal detector; my two bags and laptop were not searched. The screeners were taking their time; it was hard to tell if this was due to improved screening or just a “pauhana” attitude on a Sunday morning. I saw them swabbing some shoes with a TNA machine. I know it’s not funny, but it just looked so silly.

There were Delta agents rifling through selectees’ bags at gate 21. Again, I see no point to this other than inconvenience and embarrassment. It doesn’t even seem to work as a deterrent because they only pick a couple of people (I’m still not sure how Delta picks its “random” selectees. These all looked like little old ladies.)

I had to exchange my “virtual” boarding card for a real boarding card because Delta’s operations in Honolulu use the CUTE system (Common Use Terminal Equipment.) I discussed this with Barbara, the supervisor, who was rather impressed that I knew about such things. Ahh yes, flattery will get you everywhere.

Boarding
I boarded at about 9:30 for a 10:00 am departure. Barbara came by seat and asked if I got a boarding card okay. She’s very much an angel to use FlyerTalk speak.

The 767-400 is a bit crowded to board because economy class extends to the left of the boarding door. In other words, FC pax must pass through a portion of economy to reach the forward cabin.

This particular seat was more cramped because the guy in front of me had his seat reclined. It was not comfortable. Better than economy, I’m sure, but no picnic. Also, the IFE apparatus tends to make it difficult to stow a carry-on beneath the seats. At least the bins are spacious.

In Flight
Another remarkable cabin crew. Friendly, professional, and “seen but not heard.” I really did feel like I could ask for anything; they were always present in the cabin. They really do act like they’re happy to have you on board.

The taxi and takeoff were instantaneous and the flight was quite smooth. I did not come across any empty seats.

The crew were joking in the back about charging people for headphones. As one of them put it, “It’s a lousy movie; why should people have to pay?” They were trying to figure out how to confront a woman who was using her own headphones. One of the crew pointed to me (waiting for a bathroom) and said, “This gentleman will now be serving as our enforcer.” I suggested that I could serve as a plain-clothes flight attendant. That’ll instill fear in illicit headphone users.

I enjoyed chatting with my seatmate, who made a New Year’s resolution to quit smoking. Since my master’s thesis was on smoking cessation, he was keen to hear my suggestions.

Catering
The purser—sweet as she was—took my meal order second-to-last. Given the number of Delta ID’s, I’m willing to bet that there were some NRSA’s who got first dibs on meal choices. Anyway, the choices were beef filet, chicken with goat cheese ravioli, or grilled salmon. I would have loved the salmon, but I had to settle for the chicken. It came with a weak salad and a choice of warm! rolls. The chicken was quite good, served with al dente asparagus, tomatoes, and excellent ravioli. The purser (or “OBL” as they say at Delta) asked what I thought and I offered my compliments to the chef. She agreed that food ex-Honolulu is usually fairly lousy, but this was good stuff.

There was once again a fantastic, generous sundae.

After a cup of coffee, we were there an hour early! The flight time was 4:21. Thank you, Mother Nature for the tailwinds!

I disembarked through the economy cabin (I like it when first class disembarks first, but this is not common on Delta. I guess they have an egalitarian bent.)

The Westin LAX
I decided to break up my return trip by staying overnight at LAX. I told Priceline that I’d be willing to shell out $45 and voilá! here I am at the Westin. Sad as this may seem, I think it’s the nicest place I’ve stayed all year (I need to get out more often.)

The room is spacious and tastefully decorated with botanical photos. There is a trademark Westin bed and modern furniture. I worked out in the unexciting but adequate fitness center. There was a sauna but no hot tub (two thumbs down.)

The rooms are equipped with Starbucks Coffee with matching mugs, but no cream! How much would it really cost them to provide some of those UHT containers?

Stay tuned for updates.

Mats
Dec 30, 01, 10:57 pm
Bizjet,

I've flown up front on each aircraft type in the Delta fleet with the exception of the 777. The trick is to take the domestic portion of an international flight so that you can fly in Business Elite. All of the BizElite-configured aircraft are great.

Without BusinessElite, I prefer the 767-400 because it has PTVs. It's cramped, but at least one is entertained.

In all other circumstances, aim for a widebody; it's just less claustrophobic.

Delta is notoriously cramped in the main cabin. I haven't flown on a Delta 777, so I can't comment on that. Otherwise, I think the 767-300ER's are the best bet in the main cabin.

Mats
Jan 1, 02, 1:59 pm
31 December Delta 1998 Los Angeles-Atlanta MD-11 Seat 10H
I once again used the internet check-in without incident. I love it.

The Westin television check-out didn’t work, so I had to wait in line. Oh well.

I shared the van from the Westin with an Air Canada A320 crew headed for Vancouver and a sole AA flight attendant. The AC crew was frustrated with their ongoing contract negotiations—the first with Canadian and Air Canada together. The American flight attendant looked like she was on the edge of tears; it must be a terribly emotional time for everyone at American.

Security
There was no line for security at 12:30 pm, but a 15 person line to get one’s identification checked. The Delta agent checking ID’s was friendly and polite, but perhaps he could have sped things up or found someone to help him.

The Argenbright staff at Terminal 5 deserved to lose their jobs. I’ve never encountered a problem at this checkpoint, but they seem to have hired some morons to improve security. Again, yelling seemed to be their primary goal. There was a woman there telling everyone that she had to x-ray their tickets and ID’s (call me naïve, but how much can one hide in a boarding card?)

An older man barked “LAPTOP!” in my face. I said, “Okay, you can swab it.” This was not the answer he was looking for. Instead, he lectured me on how, “We all gots differen’t jobs. I ain’t swabbin’ nobody’s laptop. Nuh uh. Why you got to tell me dis?” And so forth.

Just to make me feel safe, an 18-year old in fatigues was carelessly pointing a machine gun toward me while drinking a cup of soda. I feel considerably less safe when there are a lot of weapons, chaos, and yelling going on.

Incidentally, my laptop made it to the special table for swabbing but never got swabbed. I guess they were too busy yelling.

Boarding
Gate 51 was fairly busy due to an adjacent flight to Salt Lake City. Boarding was prompt at 12:50 pm. Again, lots more yelling. The Delta agents were yelling “There’s two lines! (sic..)” How about less yelling, more boarding.

Again, I got barked at, “Where’s your boarding pass?”
“This is it.” I said, pointing to the printed sheet that said “Boarding Card.”
“No, I need your boarding pass.”
“This is it.”
“That’s not a boarding pass.”
“Yes it is, see where it says ‘Boarding Card.”
“Ugh.”

The Delta ground crew in LA are usually great, but today they seemed to be really fed up with the idea that there would be passengers trying to fly places. That tends to ruin things for them, I guess.

There didn’t seem to be anybody with “random” urges to frisk, so I made it on board unscathed.

There were only five passengers in the “B” cabin (the Business Class cabin aft of the second door.) The crew were too busy complaining about their uniforms in the galley to offer drinks, take coats, etc.

Economy was completely full.

In Flight
From where I was sitting, the safety demo was inaudible because the cabin crew were gossiping so loudly in the galley! They have no business complaining that nobody watches the demo if they’re making such a racket.

On British Airways, Air New Zealand, and some others, the cabin crew stand beneath the monitors during the demo, in part to gain the attention of the passengers. (BA and NZ also bother to see if you’re wearing a seatbelt, stowing your luggage, etc. Such precautions can be rare events on Delta.)

I’ve had other Delta crews like this. Always Atlanta-based and very senior. They don’t want to waste one minute with passengers when there are complaining and gossiping opportunities in the galley. The attitude is unpleasantly casual and there seems to be an overall disinterest in safety (jump seats are assumed five seconds before landing.) They spent most of their time arguing about first class meal choices for the crew.

The other noteworthy feature of this crew was its largeness. I’m firmly opposed to cosmetic weight restrictions on cabin crew; I think that’s a throwback to a less enlightened era in hiring practices. However, I’ve never seen so many enormous flight attendants on a single trip! There was one of them who looked like she might have a lot of trouble maneuvering through the aisles.

Perhaps that’s why they all stayed in the galley—too hard to make it through the cabin.

Catering
The menu was identical to the LAX-HNL flight a week earlier. I once again chose the crab cakes with “airplane rice.” They were decent, but not anything to write home about. The first roll was ice-cold, but I managed to snag two more that were actually warm! (First time on this trip to get a warm roll. Although it might not look as fancy, I think that the cabin crew should follow the Swissair/Finnair/SAS example and keep the rolls in the aluminum foil until they serve them. I think that might help keep them warmer.)

For the first time, there was leftover ice cream. I watched the flight attendants wolf it down in the galley. Perhaps they would like to switch to—I don’t know—frozen yogurt or sorbet. (I know, I’m getting a bit mean.)

I relaxed in the comfort of the BizElite seat for the quick flight to Atlanta.

Mileage
Incidentally, that flight should have “Medallionated” me for 2002. This is not yet reflected in my on-line statement, but it usually takes a few days.

It’s hard to get too excited now that Silver Medallion status seems completely meaningless.


31 December Delta 1070 Atlanta-Columbus B757-200 Seat 6C
By the time I disembarked and made my way from E7 to B35 (a substantial hike), boarding was almost ready. For 9:00 on New Year’s Eve, I was surprised to see that the flight was maybe at 40% or so.

Boarding
I outwitted the “random” frisking and bag search once again. Once they announced First Class boarding, I deliberately waited until the teenage security searchers picked their first victim (the little old lady who was first in line.) I knew that they’d be too busy to pick anyone else. Gosh, the system is so complicated I can’t imagine how a terrorist could sneak by such a faultlessly secure system.

It’s the same logic that guarantees that a lighter-looking bag will be searched or swabbed. Why? The screeners always pick the bags that don’t look as heavy.

In Flight
The cabin crew was another let down. Actually it was just one bad apple. The flight attendant in first class could only be described as a b---h. Passive aggressive, bitter, etc.

I don’t suppose I’d notice so much, it’s just I’d had very good cabin crew during the first six segments. Things went way downhill for the last two. Was it the holiday? Was it because the ATL-based crews aren’t as good? I don’t know.

The crew did show an episode of Frasier during the one hour flight. I gave it half of my attention.

Arrival
Again, it was difficult to make it off the plane because Delta does not block off the Y cabin to let first class off first. As I mentioned before, I have mixed feelings about this practice.

I had carry-on luggage only, so there was no need to wait. I noticed, however, that bags were already on the belt when I walked through baggage claim. Good job!

It occurred to me in flight that I left my precious noise-cancelling headsets on flight 1998. I stopped by the Delta baggage office and completed the paperwork. The agent was friendly, apologetic, and said, “We’re pretty good about finding this stuff.” No word yet, but I’ll call DL bags tonight.


Concluding remarks
Honolulu is a long trip from the Midwest, but all of my flights were within 30 minutes of on-time. There were no cancellations, I didn’t have to be frisked or stripped in public, and the fare was quite decent for a first class trip during the holidays.

My guess is that only Continental offers better service to Honolulu because they offer true Business Class. I defected from Continental to Delta some years ago, but maybe I’ll switch back. I still have bad memories from the “dark years” at CAL, so I don’t know if I’m ready to take the plunge. United to Hawaii can be awful, Northwest has a terrible reputation, and American seems too unstable at the moment. Your advice as FlyerTalkers is always welcome.

Security remains idiotic at best. I’m sick of thinking about it and talking about it. I hope that more people will have the courage to speak up and point out that long lines and inconvenience do not make safer planes. I hope that sharper screeners will be hired soon and that some of the dumber screening techniques will be abandoned.

I’m confident that Delta will return some of the catering once loads increase and profitability becomes possible. I have faith in our economy and in Delta. It’s also good to know that most of the crews were professional, friendly, and accommodating.

Web check-in is a brilliant invention. It will be better once the ground crews at LAX learn that it exists.

Until next time… Mele kalikimaka and happy new year! –Mats.


[This message has been edited by Mats (edited 01-01-2002).]

rockdoc
Jan 1, 02, 5:51 pm
Taking a break from football for a moment.

Regarding CO, I too swore that I would never again fly CO after several bad experiences in their "dark years" as you put it. However, a client I was working for a couple of years ago required me to fly CO and I was pleasantly surprised. I have continued to fly CO since then (UA is now secondary airline for me) and find their people to be mostly friendly, attentive and willing to put the passenger first. You might want to give them a try and see if you might like them better than Delta these days. I cannot really compare them to Delta as I fly Delta so irregularly any more.

Seth
Jan 1, 02, 6:35 pm
I have taken DL, NW and CO to HNL, CO service wins hands down. Although flying upstairs on a 747-200 with a 70" seat pitch on NW can be pretty nice, the service tends to be poor. IMHO BusinessFirst Service on a 8hr IAH-HNL flight is the best way to go.

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BizJet
Jan 1, 02, 6:36 pm
Thanks again for the report.

I'd suggest you check out CO, as their service is good and friendly. However, I don't think their route network would serve you well out of CMH, unless you are planning on moving soon. Their CLE hub is very weak (just ERJ's and 737s). I don't know what equipment they give you to EWR and IAH, but I'd guess its ERJ's. Delta gives you plenty of jet service to their hubs. An airline's service is great, but not when you can't fly them because of their and your route networks don't mesh.



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