stargold
Dec 9, 01, 7:36 pm
Trip Report
Background:
Those of you who have been reading my posts in the UA forum will know what I've been up to, but for those of you who haven't, here it goes:
Due to some upcoming changes to the AC program concerning awards on other carriers, plus my desire to switch to Cathay Pacific (whilst accumulating on AAdvantage) led me to redeem my AC miles on a ridiculously extravagant trip of First Class on some intra-Asia segments plus a return on ANA from NRT-LHR and CDG-NRT
It took me all the miles that I collected in one year and half (plus about US$50 top up the 2000 or so that I didn’t have) for two awards, one UA intra-Asia (40k miles) and one ANA Japan-Europe (120k miles).
The booking of the award was dramatic, to say the least. Since I had left reserving the flights until literally less than one week before the departure date, it was a small miracle that I was basically able to get the exact flights that I wanted. At first I was planning to depart from LHR to return to NRT, but the dates that I wanted weren't available (despite the fact that there was only one or two people booked in the F cabin of those cabins) and this completely messed up my plans because the return from Europe had to fit in with departing for HKG on UA.
I had almost given up on going to HKG and changed my routing to a simple ICN-NRT-LHR RT until a sudden flash of an idea went through my mind: What about returning from other airports in Europe? Suddenly I remembered that I had a school friend who is spending one year in Paris, so I asked the Aeroplan agent whether there were seats available from CDG on the original dates I wanted. And bingo! There were seats.
So I now went back to my original (and long) plan which turned out to be:
09DEC UA838 ICN NRT
10DEC NH201 NRT LHR
15DEC (Eurostar) LON PAR (approx. USD60 on a youth fare)
16DEC NH206 CDG NRT (arrive next day)
17DEC UA827 NRT HKG
21DEC UA826 HKG NRT
21DEC UA837 NRT ICN
That’s just a ton of flights, I have to say. But since I was going on Int'l F, it really didn't matter :D:D
So I managed to ticket the trip the day after reserving the flights (and a huge thanks must go to Jean, the Aeroplan agent who helped me through an hour and 40 minutes of a phone call in order to get my trip exactly how I wanted) and patiently (or not so patiently; in fact, very very anxiously) waited for my first experience on Int’l F.
1st Segment: ICN-NRT
UA838 ETD 1110 ETA 1325 747-400
I woke up sufficiently late (as per usual) for me to panic upon seeing the time, as I only had 30 minutes until the time I had planned to leave home. But I did eventually manage to get myself together and organize the luggage and even eat breakfast. Then I left my house at 7:20am.
As this was a Sunday morning, there was hardly any traffic through Seoul and it took a surprisingly short 50 minutes to get from my home to the departures area of the new Incheon Airport. But since I had departed from this airport about 3-4 times before, I was not all that excited at the airport.
I proceeded to the United First check-in, where I stood in a line for a brief moment before being called over for check-in by an agent in the desk. It was a very pleasant experience checking in with this particular agent, and she made sure everything was okay (even tagged my luggage through for tomorrow’s flight) and also put on the ‘UA International First’ hand luggage tags on my carry-ons, but I felt like I stood out too much with them on my bags so I took them off. A boarding pass and a lounge invitation was issued, and the only thing that I had to change was my seat, which she picked 1A for me but based on advice from the FT threads I wanted to change to 2A. Alas, someone was already on 2A, so 3A it will be for me. Still, no complaints.
Then I proceeded through security which took some 5 minutes. Then the passport controls; There was obviously quite a lot of people in the queues yet the 20 or so desks that they put in this particular passport control area was only manned by about 6 people. So it took about 15 minutes of queuing before I passed through the passport controls. All the while sweating because I had underestimated the temperature in the airport and so had a coat on.
Then it was to the lounge, the famous Silver Kris lounge operated by SQ, which every Star Alliance carrier serving ICN uses for their premium passengers. I was greeted warmly and was directed to the elevator that led to the First Class lounge, where I found a very good selection of food for breakfast, including French Toast, sausages, bacon, mushrooms, egg and etc. There was also some dim sums (which I liked very much) and a salad bar, as well as yogurt and sandwiches. They had the same selection for the Business Class section.
Elsewhere in the lounge, it was very well appointed with various amenities. Firstly there was a shower (which I didn’t have time to try). There were also about 4 workstations with large LCD panels and broadband access. Not to mention some very comfortable looking slumberettes (which again, I didn’t have time to try). They even had a telephone that you can use for free calls within the country, but as much as I wanted to chat away to a friend telling him how good the lounge is, all too soon it was time to board my flight, the first time I am going on Int’l F.
I walked from the lounge to the gate with another guy who was also on the flight, seat 2J. When we reached the boarding area, there was now a security check before one was allowed to pass through the BP machine. There was about 40-50 people waiting to be checked, and I was seriously debating whether to tell the inspector that I was going on Int’l F or to just queue like everyone else, when this lady said to the inspector ‘I am travelling First Class. Do I have to wait?’ A rather direct way of saying it, I thought, but at least we were allowed to proceed without waiting in the line (and I was saved from having to ask the inspector).
Once I stepped on the flight, I was greeted warmly by a flight attendant who took my coat and offered me a pre-departure drink (too early for champagne so I settled for the OJ). Then noise-cancelling headsets (which didn’t work very well, IMO) were handed out.
I guess there is no need to mention how pleased I was with the seat. It was comfortable and had sufficient storage space. Once everyone had settled into their respective suites, I saw that there were 8 other people out of 14 seats on this flight, 4 of whom were Japanese, and the other 4 looked to be Americans.
The check-in agent had made a comment when I was checking in, that the flight will be leaving 15 minutes early today. So I made sure I was not late for boarding. The door for First/Biz section closed at 10:40am, and economy class boarded until 10:55am. Then we pulled out of the pier at 11:00am, some 10 minutes before schedule.
At 11:30am, the flight attendants went around asking for everyone’s menu preferences. But the cutbacks were obvious with no paper menus (for Int’l F!) and I observed that the orders were taken at no logical order around the cabin, which could only mean that 1Ks were given the first choice. I had to make a selection between ‘a salad or cold Japanese noodles’, neither of them sounded particularly mouth-watering. But I went for the Japanese noodles and waited for my selection with some warm nuts and more OJ.
It was probably some 20 minutes until the FA came around with my cold Japanese noodles, and I’ll have to say it looked just as appetizing as it sounded when she was asking me for my preference. I would have given it 2/5 for presentation. As you know they eliminated the trolley service (citing lack of space in the aisles between the suites, which I did believe once I saw the narrow aisles) so they had a tray with everything on it. (Please note: everything=noodles and a chocolate cake). This really was quite poor for an Int’l F flight where ANA served a hot meal in Business class on the same route, and I was quite glad I had eaten some at the lounge. Anyway, I started on the noodles and concluded that despite tasting like someone poured in a whole bottle of chilli sauce into the noodles, it didn’t taste half as bad as it looked (but then, that’s not saying a lot). I would give it 3/5 for taste. But I couldn’t finish it as my tongue was burning by the time I went through about three quarters of the dish. Then I moved onto the chocolate cakes, which were passable at best, definitely not Int’l F standard. (Even I have a certain level of expectation for Int’l F despite having never been on it before). 3/5 for taste. It must be said that the salad did look much better than the noodles. There’s only so much they can mess up with some vegetable leaves, after all. :D
One thing that caught my attention was the tailwind, which showed to be 300Km/h. This gave us a ground-speed of more than 1200Km/h which I never had before.
After I had finished the meal, I was offered coffee, which was okay, making it better than the meal. The rest of the flight was pretty uneventful with the FAs going around the cabin to top up glasses and the rest.
Service was actually very good on the flight, not quite up to ANA standard, but they were friendly and seemed pleased to have you onboard. Certainly not ‘prison matrons’!! 2 of them seemed to be NRT-based, whilst the other was probably US-based. They gave equally pleasant service, and I would probably give 4/5 for service.
At 12:30pm the pilot turned on the seatbelt sign, and we started our descent. We landed at 12:55, some 30 minutes before the scheduled departure time. While we were taxing I noticed a BA 777 pulling out of the pier. (didn’t BA only operate 747s to NRT?)
As the purser made her announcement for passengers deplaning she made an interesting comment which went like, ‘We really appreciate your business since we know you have a choice of airlines. Thank you for flying us’ which I thought was something new, considering the horror stories about the FAs in the US who really do not want you to travel with them.
After I got out of the plane, I walked rather hurriedly (knowing how bad the queue for immigrations can get at NRT sometimes) and then I heard this man running after me calling ‘Mr. Maeng!!!’ I turned back and saw a guy in a gray uniform with that rose on his lapel and knew immediately that it was a United Int’l First Concierge.
I didn’t know why he was running after me; I almost thought I had done something wrong or something! But actually it was him trying to check that I had indeed posted a luggage on a connection to LHR for tomorrow, and just wanted me to make sure I showed the ANA agent tomorrow morning the luggage tag from UA. Also he was ever so kind to remind me that ANA departs from Terminal 2, not Terminal 1. (Well, something I knew for a long time as I had done this route many, many times before)
In all, I found that overall, ground services are really quite good on United, the seat is comfortable, the FAs (if you’re lucky) are really great, but the only real problem was the various little cutbacks and the food. The food service was really worse than that of ANA in Business on the same route and that’s the only thing I was seriously unhappy with.
Then, I stopped by the Hotel desk at NRT following what tvl4free had previously posted on his trip report. They gave me a rate of JPY7000 at the Narita Washington Hotel including tax and service, which I thought was very good.
I checked into my hotel and found an adequate, if remarkably unremarkable, property. It will do for my ~USD55 a night transit, I thought. After unpacking my laptop and some clothes, I went out to go and see Narita City, something other FTers suggested instead of going into Tokyo if you’re short of time (or money). So I took a shuttle bus to the Narita station in the city centre, and got off there. Once I was off the bus, I realized I had no real idea as to what I wanted to do (or indeed, where the shops are) so I asked an American guy who was standing at the bus stop ‘Where can I do some shopping?’ and he said ‘If you just stay on the bus that you were on, they’ll take you to a shopping mall. In fact, since I’m going there too, I’ll go with you’. He also had a woman next to him who seemed to be following him.
So what a coincidence it was then, that the guy was the first officer for the flight that I was just on, and the woman was the Business FA on the same flight! This started the evening off, where we went to the shopping mall together and I bought a few things and then we met back at the bus stop. Then we decided to go for dinner, so we went back to the city centre and tried going to a noodle restaurant. But it was only a small shop so there were no seats when we got there, we went to a bar instead to pass the time until a table might be free.
We talked a lot at the bar, and then we managed to get the seats at the noodle restaurant and met a lot of other airlines’ FAs and pilots. Had a very good dinner, talked some more, and then went back to the bar and had a final drink. All the while talking about United, being an FA, being a pilot, etc etc. It was definitely very interesting and more importantly, he bought the drinks for all 3 of us! :D:D
Anyway, in the end we decided that we needed a good rest (they had flights the next day too) so we said our goodbyes and I returned to the hotel, and I went to sleep. It has to be said, that this was one of the best days travelling for me so far, meeting interesting people for dinner and drinks while in transit!
Background:
Those of you who have been reading my posts in the UA forum will know what I've been up to, but for those of you who haven't, here it goes:
Due to some upcoming changes to the AC program concerning awards on other carriers, plus my desire to switch to Cathay Pacific (whilst accumulating on AAdvantage) led me to redeem my AC miles on a ridiculously extravagant trip of First Class on some intra-Asia segments plus a return on ANA from NRT-LHR and CDG-NRT
It took me all the miles that I collected in one year and half (plus about US$50 top up the 2000 or so that I didn’t have) for two awards, one UA intra-Asia (40k miles) and one ANA Japan-Europe (120k miles).
The booking of the award was dramatic, to say the least. Since I had left reserving the flights until literally less than one week before the departure date, it was a small miracle that I was basically able to get the exact flights that I wanted. At first I was planning to depart from LHR to return to NRT, but the dates that I wanted weren't available (despite the fact that there was only one or two people booked in the F cabin of those cabins) and this completely messed up my plans because the return from Europe had to fit in with departing for HKG on UA.
I had almost given up on going to HKG and changed my routing to a simple ICN-NRT-LHR RT until a sudden flash of an idea went through my mind: What about returning from other airports in Europe? Suddenly I remembered that I had a school friend who is spending one year in Paris, so I asked the Aeroplan agent whether there were seats available from CDG on the original dates I wanted. And bingo! There were seats.
So I now went back to my original (and long) plan which turned out to be:
09DEC UA838 ICN NRT
10DEC NH201 NRT LHR
15DEC (Eurostar) LON PAR (approx. USD60 on a youth fare)
16DEC NH206 CDG NRT (arrive next day)
17DEC UA827 NRT HKG
21DEC UA826 HKG NRT
21DEC UA837 NRT ICN
That’s just a ton of flights, I have to say. But since I was going on Int'l F, it really didn't matter :D:D
So I managed to ticket the trip the day after reserving the flights (and a huge thanks must go to Jean, the Aeroplan agent who helped me through an hour and 40 minutes of a phone call in order to get my trip exactly how I wanted) and patiently (or not so patiently; in fact, very very anxiously) waited for my first experience on Int’l F.
1st Segment: ICN-NRT
UA838 ETD 1110 ETA 1325 747-400
I woke up sufficiently late (as per usual) for me to panic upon seeing the time, as I only had 30 minutes until the time I had planned to leave home. But I did eventually manage to get myself together and organize the luggage and even eat breakfast. Then I left my house at 7:20am.
As this was a Sunday morning, there was hardly any traffic through Seoul and it took a surprisingly short 50 minutes to get from my home to the departures area of the new Incheon Airport. But since I had departed from this airport about 3-4 times before, I was not all that excited at the airport.
I proceeded to the United First check-in, where I stood in a line for a brief moment before being called over for check-in by an agent in the desk. It was a very pleasant experience checking in with this particular agent, and she made sure everything was okay (even tagged my luggage through for tomorrow’s flight) and also put on the ‘UA International First’ hand luggage tags on my carry-ons, but I felt like I stood out too much with them on my bags so I took them off. A boarding pass and a lounge invitation was issued, and the only thing that I had to change was my seat, which she picked 1A for me but based on advice from the FT threads I wanted to change to 2A. Alas, someone was already on 2A, so 3A it will be for me. Still, no complaints.
Then I proceeded through security which took some 5 minutes. Then the passport controls; There was obviously quite a lot of people in the queues yet the 20 or so desks that they put in this particular passport control area was only manned by about 6 people. So it took about 15 minutes of queuing before I passed through the passport controls. All the while sweating because I had underestimated the temperature in the airport and so had a coat on.
Then it was to the lounge, the famous Silver Kris lounge operated by SQ, which every Star Alliance carrier serving ICN uses for their premium passengers. I was greeted warmly and was directed to the elevator that led to the First Class lounge, where I found a very good selection of food for breakfast, including French Toast, sausages, bacon, mushrooms, egg and etc. There was also some dim sums (which I liked very much) and a salad bar, as well as yogurt and sandwiches. They had the same selection for the Business Class section.
Elsewhere in the lounge, it was very well appointed with various amenities. Firstly there was a shower (which I didn’t have time to try). There were also about 4 workstations with large LCD panels and broadband access. Not to mention some very comfortable looking slumberettes (which again, I didn’t have time to try). They even had a telephone that you can use for free calls within the country, but as much as I wanted to chat away to a friend telling him how good the lounge is, all too soon it was time to board my flight, the first time I am going on Int’l F.
I walked from the lounge to the gate with another guy who was also on the flight, seat 2J. When we reached the boarding area, there was now a security check before one was allowed to pass through the BP machine. There was about 40-50 people waiting to be checked, and I was seriously debating whether to tell the inspector that I was going on Int’l F or to just queue like everyone else, when this lady said to the inspector ‘I am travelling First Class. Do I have to wait?’ A rather direct way of saying it, I thought, but at least we were allowed to proceed without waiting in the line (and I was saved from having to ask the inspector).
Once I stepped on the flight, I was greeted warmly by a flight attendant who took my coat and offered me a pre-departure drink (too early for champagne so I settled for the OJ). Then noise-cancelling headsets (which didn’t work very well, IMO) were handed out.
I guess there is no need to mention how pleased I was with the seat. It was comfortable and had sufficient storage space. Once everyone had settled into their respective suites, I saw that there were 8 other people out of 14 seats on this flight, 4 of whom were Japanese, and the other 4 looked to be Americans.
The check-in agent had made a comment when I was checking in, that the flight will be leaving 15 minutes early today. So I made sure I was not late for boarding. The door for First/Biz section closed at 10:40am, and economy class boarded until 10:55am. Then we pulled out of the pier at 11:00am, some 10 minutes before schedule.
At 11:30am, the flight attendants went around asking for everyone’s menu preferences. But the cutbacks were obvious with no paper menus (for Int’l F!) and I observed that the orders were taken at no logical order around the cabin, which could only mean that 1Ks were given the first choice. I had to make a selection between ‘a salad or cold Japanese noodles’, neither of them sounded particularly mouth-watering. But I went for the Japanese noodles and waited for my selection with some warm nuts and more OJ.
It was probably some 20 minutes until the FA came around with my cold Japanese noodles, and I’ll have to say it looked just as appetizing as it sounded when she was asking me for my preference. I would have given it 2/5 for presentation. As you know they eliminated the trolley service (citing lack of space in the aisles between the suites, which I did believe once I saw the narrow aisles) so they had a tray with everything on it. (Please note: everything=noodles and a chocolate cake). This really was quite poor for an Int’l F flight where ANA served a hot meal in Business class on the same route, and I was quite glad I had eaten some at the lounge. Anyway, I started on the noodles and concluded that despite tasting like someone poured in a whole bottle of chilli sauce into the noodles, it didn’t taste half as bad as it looked (but then, that’s not saying a lot). I would give it 3/5 for taste. But I couldn’t finish it as my tongue was burning by the time I went through about three quarters of the dish. Then I moved onto the chocolate cakes, which were passable at best, definitely not Int’l F standard. (Even I have a certain level of expectation for Int’l F despite having never been on it before). 3/5 for taste. It must be said that the salad did look much better than the noodles. There’s only so much they can mess up with some vegetable leaves, after all. :D
One thing that caught my attention was the tailwind, which showed to be 300Km/h. This gave us a ground-speed of more than 1200Km/h which I never had before.
After I had finished the meal, I was offered coffee, which was okay, making it better than the meal. The rest of the flight was pretty uneventful with the FAs going around the cabin to top up glasses and the rest.
Service was actually very good on the flight, not quite up to ANA standard, but they were friendly and seemed pleased to have you onboard. Certainly not ‘prison matrons’!! 2 of them seemed to be NRT-based, whilst the other was probably US-based. They gave equally pleasant service, and I would probably give 4/5 for service.
At 12:30pm the pilot turned on the seatbelt sign, and we started our descent. We landed at 12:55, some 30 minutes before the scheduled departure time. While we were taxing I noticed a BA 777 pulling out of the pier. (didn’t BA only operate 747s to NRT?)
As the purser made her announcement for passengers deplaning she made an interesting comment which went like, ‘We really appreciate your business since we know you have a choice of airlines. Thank you for flying us’ which I thought was something new, considering the horror stories about the FAs in the US who really do not want you to travel with them.
After I got out of the plane, I walked rather hurriedly (knowing how bad the queue for immigrations can get at NRT sometimes) and then I heard this man running after me calling ‘Mr. Maeng!!!’ I turned back and saw a guy in a gray uniform with that rose on his lapel and knew immediately that it was a United Int’l First Concierge.
I didn’t know why he was running after me; I almost thought I had done something wrong or something! But actually it was him trying to check that I had indeed posted a luggage on a connection to LHR for tomorrow, and just wanted me to make sure I showed the ANA agent tomorrow morning the luggage tag from UA. Also he was ever so kind to remind me that ANA departs from Terminal 2, not Terminal 1. (Well, something I knew for a long time as I had done this route many, many times before)
In all, I found that overall, ground services are really quite good on United, the seat is comfortable, the FAs (if you’re lucky) are really great, but the only real problem was the various little cutbacks and the food. The food service was really worse than that of ANA in Business on the same route and that’s the only thing I was seriously unhappy with.
Then, I stopped by the Hotel desk at NRT following what tvl4free had previously posted on his trip report. They gave me a rate of JPY7000 at the Narita Washington Hotel including tax and service, which I thought was very good.
I checked into my hotel and found an adequate, if remarkably unremarkable, property. It will do for my ~USD55 a night transit, I thought. After unpacking my laptop and some clothes, I went out to go and see Narita City, something other FTers suggested instead of going into Tokyo if you’re short of time (or money). So I took a shuttle bus to the Narita station in the city centre, and got off there. Once I was off the bus, I realized I had no real idea as to what I wanted to do (or indeed, where the shops are) so I asked an American guy who was standing at the bus stop ‘Where can I do some shopping?’ and he said ‘If you just stay on the bus that you were on, they’ll take you to a shopping mall. In fact, since I’m going there too, I’ll go with you’. He also had a woman next to him who seemed to be following him.
So what a coincidence it was then, that the guy was the first officer for the flight that I was just on, and the woman was the Business FA on the same flight! This started the evening off, where we went to the shopping mall together and I bought a few things and then we met back at the bus stop. Then we decided to go for dinner, so we went back to the city centre and tried going to a noodle restaurant. But it was only a small shop so there were no seats when we got there, we went to a bar instead to pass the time until a table might be free.
We talked a lot at the bar, and then we managed to get the seats at the noodle restaurant and met a lot of other airlines’ FAs and pilots. Had a very good dinner, talked some more, and then went back to the bar and had a final drink. All the while talking about United, being an FA, being a pilot, etc etc. It was definitely very interesting and more importantly, he bought the drinks for all 3 of us! :D:D
Anyway, in the end we decided that we needed a good rest (they had flights the next day too) so we said our goodbyes and I returned to the hotel, and I went to sleep. It has to be said, that this was one of the best days travelling for me so far, meeting interesting people for dinner and drinks while in transit!