Trip Reports - The return from NYC... JFK-ATL on Delta 9/16/01




B747-437B
Sep 16, 01, 11:38 pm
Let me preface this trip report with some information about myself. I am an olive complexioned male in mid-20s with a very neutral sounding name. I was worried from the outset that I would be profiled as suspicious, but I never thought it would be this bad.

Saturday morning I received a call bright and early from Delta telling me that my 1pm flight to Atlanta had been cancelled. The only flight operating to Atlanta from the NYC area that day would be the 830pm MD11 from JFK. Since my dad was heading out of JFK on AA as well, I figured it would be a good idea to try for that flight.

We left the hotel in Midtown by cab around 245pm and got to JFK just before 330pm without any hassles. The Air India station manager was waiting for us at Terminal 4 and took us over to AA's Terminal 8. The lines were horrendous and people were experiencing waits in excess of 3 hrs just to GET INTO THE BUILDING. Fortunately, one of the top AA people was waiting for us and escorted us to the front of the check-in counters past the security checkpoints without a hassle. AA had graciously provided my dad a positive space pass on the first flight out to Heathrow so that he could connect to Air India there and get to BOM for a family emergency. He checked in and collected his boarding pass for AA 100 and we then headed out for a cup of coffee before he left.

Once he had passed through security, I headed back to the Delta terminal and attempted to get into the building. Fortunately, I had the foresight to visit their CTO earlier that morning and collect an E-ticket itinerary, so I breezed through the first level of door checks and metal detectors pretty easily. I was heading over to the domestic check-in lines which had about 200 people patiently waiting, when I spotted a Medallion check-in line with only a handful of folks. I turned towards that and immediately felt a hand gripping my arm. A Border Patrol agent had spotted me turn away from the main check-in lines and was eyeing me very suspiciously. "Where do you think you are going?". "To check-in". "The line starts over there". "Yes, but the Medallion line is over there". "What's wrong with this line?". "Nothing, its much longer though, so I'd rather use the other one". "Hey, don't get an attitude with me. Lets see some ID." I presented my passport, E-Ticket receipt and Medallion card for scrutiny. He examined them for a minute and finally said "Ok, but you need to check-in at this line". "No, I'm a Medallion member and I'm entitled to priority check-in unless you can give me a reason why I can't use it". At this time, a Delta redcoat standing nearby came over and examined my documents. He pointedly looked at the Border Patrol agent and told me to go ahead and use the Medallion line. The Border Patrol agent just shrugged and began looking for someone else else to pick on.

Check-in was smooth enough and I was given an upgraded seat 12A in BizElite despite being on a U fare. I wasn't in the mood to argue, so I just thanked the agent and walked towards the gate. All payphones in the airport had been turned off for some reason and it was impossible to communicate with the outside world. Even the Crown Room Clubs were closed. Ah well, I'll survive. I headed off to the bar for a beer, but found it packed. I finally found myself some counter space and sipped on a Sam Adams while chatting with a guy from Birmingham who was trying to head out via Paris.

Headed out to my gate around 7pm for the 830pm departure. As I walked down the concourse, I was stopped by a Delta employee who asked to see my ticket and ID. I presented those for his perusal and was quickly approved with a "Thank you for choosing Delta". That's class. Some people have it, and some people don't.

As we waited in the gate area, I began chatting with some Delta pilots who were also trying to get down to Atlanta. As we chatted, I saw a couple of Border Patrol Agents and PANYNJ police walk up to the gate accompanied by a K9 Unit. They spoke among themselves for a while and then began to approach me. Suddenly one of them began shouting "Everyone out of the gate area, NOW!". I picked up my bag and began to walk away, but two of them grabbed me by each arm and said "Not you. Everyone else." I was made to remove my jacket and place it on the floor and then one them kicked over my carry-on bag and made the dog sniff it over. "What the hell is going on? What did I do?". "Don't give me an attitude buddy, or else you will regret it?". "Why am I being singled out for this?". "Because someone said you were a suspicious person". "Oh, ok. Can you say profiling?". "Hey hey, I won't say this again. Watch your mouth. Lets see some ID". I provided the required documentation. "Where are you going to today?". "Atlanta". "Why Atlanta?". "Thats where I live". "So why are you going there?". "Because I want to go home." This roundabout questioning continued for a minute or two while the dog sniffed all over my jacket and bag.

Eventually, even the dog got bored of this and began wandering away, so the other passengers were allowed back into the gate area, taking care to keep away from the corner I was being questioned in. My bag still lay on its side in the middle of the floor, but when I tried to go get it, I was told to "Leave it there for now". By now I was furious and demanded to know what exactly I was doing that made so suspicious "apart from existing with my skin color?". "Well, one of the Delta employees saw you on camera and called you in". "Saw me doing what? Waiting for a flight?". "Some people just aren't comfortable with that". "With me waiting for a flight?". "Yeah, I guess not". "So what do you want me to do to stop being suspicious?". "Well, we could put you in handcuffs for a while. That might give them some peace of mind". "WHAT? Do you have probable cause for this?". "I don't need probable cause". "Ok, do you have reasonable suspicion then?". "You are acting all nervous now, thats suspicious in my book". Enough was enough, and I asked him if I was free to go. He shrugged and said "sure, have a nice flight".

Of course, by now everyone was keeping well away from me and whispering to each other behind my back. So much for innocent until presumed guilty. The agents made an announcement that we were one pilot short and that the pilot would be coming in from Atlanta on a flight arriving at 1032pm, so our departure was now pushed back to 1130pm. Since everyone else was shunning me, I wandered back over to the Delta pilots and chatted with them on various issues for the next hour or so. Finally, the Atlanta flight arrived and the pilots emerged. Now it turned out that our aircraft had been fueled to fly to Tokyo on Tuesday morning, so it was too heavy for a short hop down to ATL and the Port Authority was not giving them permission to de-fuel the plane. Fortunately, the aircraft that just came up from ATL was within acceptable weights. So we trooped over to that gate and set up camp again. A few Border Patrol and Customs agents came over and chatted with us as we waited.

Finally, around 1130pm, boarding began on the MD11. I decided to wait till then end of the boarding process before heading on board. As I was walking down the jetway, I saw Mike, one of the Customs agents we had been talking to, stopping *random* passengers for ID checks. I didn't wait to be stopped but instead just walked right up to him and handed it over. He grinned and said "I'm sorry its gotta be this way. Have a good flight." As I continued down the jetway, an elderly black gentleman tapped me on the shoulder and said, "God bless you son, but for the first time that I can remember, the black people are not a suspect". I was strangely touched by what he said.

As I walked to my seat 12A, there was an off-duty FA seated in 12B. When I put my stuff into 12A, she abrupbtly stood up and took a seat over on the other side of the cabin. Great. Welcome aboard to you too. I looked out of the window across a deserted tarmac and thought back to the last time I had boarded a plane at 840am on Tuesday at Newark. I had looked out my window at that time too and seen two towers standing down by Battery Park. There was no pre-takeoff drink service and we sat at the gate for another hour before we were cleared to push back. There were 41 people in Business Elite today, of which I was the only revenue passenger. There were also 30 off-duty/deadheading flight attendants, 8 pilots and 2 retirees.

We taxied out slowly as I marvelled at how absolutely deserted JFK was. The only other surface traffic was the Cathay Pacific 744 heading for Vancouver and Hong Kong, which took off right ahead of us. We rolled onto the runway and the captain gave us full throttle before releasing the brakes. The PW4000 engines roared as we hurtled down the runway. Then we climbed out, and the city came into view, with a million lights shining brightly. But down at the southern end of Manhattan, there was a different kind of light and a big huge void where two of the brightest lights had once shone.

At that moment, I began to cry. I'm sure many others on board cried too. We cried not out of sadness or out of joy, but we just cried to let it all out. We cried for the city that we remembered before Tuesday and we cried for the city that we now knew. We cried for the loss of innocence that the country had suffered. We cried for the victims and the families and the rescue workers working thousands of feet below us. But most of all we cried because we were back in the air and no matter how hard they knocked us down, we were back up again.

We flew south on a cloudless night with a carpet of lights twinkling below us. As we flew over Virginia, an F16 took position off our left wing for a minute and escorted us in silence. I smiled for the first time since Tuesday. I sipped on a Vodka and watched as Richmond became Raleigh became Charlotte became Atlanta and finally we touched down just before 3am. Everyone applauded, and my smile grew wider. I walked throught the deserted airport to the cab stand in silence. My cab driver was a muslim from Ghana who got us quickly on the road and then asked "So where were you stuck?". "New York", I replied. A moment of silence, followed by "God bless you brother. Welcome home".


jetsetter777
Sep 17, 01, 12:27 am
B: I can't think of anything to say, that could possibly make this situation any better. Suffice to say my mouth is hanging open.

But I had to say something....

smg77
Sep 17, 01, 12:30 am
Great report. Thanks so much for sharing it with us. Glad you made it home.

We're all going to have to be patient in the coming weeks, months, and years...some of us more patient than others.


jeffreyt
Sep 17, 01, 1:18 am
Pretty amazing. Sorry you were profiled. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

Lokahi
Sep 17, 01, 1:19 am
This is just so sad. B747-437B, thank you for having the courage to share this painful tale. I admit that there were some tears in my eyes as I was reading it...for the indignity that you were forced to suffer, and for what frankly seems to be in store for our nation.

Amidst the jingoism and extremism that masquerades as patriotism in the wake of the week's tragedies, I'm increasingly convinced that the best things we can do to uphold the foundation upon which this country was built is to walk with respect, dignity, and care in the weeks to come.

And B747-437B, keep the faith.

With warmest aloha.

aw
Sep 17, 01, 1:55 am
I'm so sorry that you experienced such a horrible treatment. Unfortunately the world has its share of ignorant people who cannot look beyond one's skin color or outer appearance. What happened in NY represents the worst of our human nature and my prayers go out to the victims, their families and the innocent people that will have to bear the backlash. Personally I don't know if profiling really accomplishes anything. All of a sudden this has become a witch hunt for all Arab or olive skinned people. What's next? Latin people? A lot of Middle Eastern people look Mediterranean. If we are profiling muslims, then don't forget that they come in all shapes and sizes. There are black people (eg. Sudanese) as well as Asians (eg. Malaysians, Indonesians and Bruneis). Some are aryan (eg. Pakistanis, Iranians, even Afghans) and to enhance a more Western feature all they have to do is bleach their hair and wear color lenses...then what? who are we going to profile?

I don't know what is your faith, but I personally believe that sooner or later we are all accountable to God for our actions. What goes around comes around eventually.
If we do not stop generalizing people and associating the acts of a few to a whole community, then we run the danger of thinking like the terrorists who killed so many innocents because they represented all they loath about America.

Nobbi
Sep 17, 01, 4:23 am
Reading this makes me ashamed complaining about being "profiled" entering Canada and having to have my stuff gone thru and questioned.

At least the customs official was courteous. What you went through was totally uncalled for. Although I generally am against court action, those b a s t a r d s should be sued for treating you in such a way.

Shame, shame, shame. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

[This message has been edited by Nobbi (edited 09-17-2001).]

gleff
Sep 17, 01, 6:07 am
I cried reading this -- for what you had to go through, for what we're all becoming as a result of last week's tragic events, and because I could imagine the takeoff over New York.

bdschobel
Sep 17, 01, 6:35 am
Good grief, what's the world coming to? Maybe we could accept this treatment if it had anything to do with security, but it's just the illusion of security, not the real thing. After all, the hijackers had picture IDs, credit cards, even frequent flyer numbers. They could have shown them a thousand times and nothing would have changed.

Bruce

ScottC
Sep 17, 01, 7:36 am
Athough the trip report is very disturbing let's not forget that however bad you were treated it was done by people who feel they have a huge responsability. If a disaster were to happen again (they say there are still a lot of terrorists in the USA) these people would personally feel responable for it.

If I were made semi-responsable for preventing any "wrong" folks getting on a plane I think I would also be a nasty person.

I am not justifying the behaviour of these guys, just take into account the huge strain they must be under...

l'etoile
Sep 17, 01, 7:57 am
I'm so sorry.

When I returned home Friday and was met at the airport by my husband and son, I told them I just need to cry. And that's what I did for all the reasons you so eloquently cited. Thank you for your report.

Watchful
Sep 17, 01, 7:57 am
747, I'm glad you're home. What a horrible week for you.

Potential terrorists are, I suppose, well trained to know exactly what to do in any given situation. Unfortunately, the rest of us are not.

I guess all of us must start preparing ourselves for irrational searches. Do we become incredibly passive? Rehearse our lines for what we say and don't say? I guess maybe so.

Elsewhere I saw a suggestion to find an Arab American neighbor family and bring them some cookies. Sad to say, if I were on the receiving side, I wonder if I would have the courage to eat them.

This is all scary. In any event, welcome home, 747 and stay in touch.

[This message has been edited by Watchful (edited 09-17-2001).]

LAOCA
Sep 17, 01, 8:42 am
You were upgraded on a U fare? Why didn't you demand a coach seat, chide the agent, and record him for public humiliation?

I have been an activist against racism so if I'm wrong I apologize. But I don't think so.

If you were able to make a scene because of an undeserved upgrade and pull a stunt as ridiculous as to record a kind and helpful agent trying to make a customer happy I can't imagine what could have been said when someone denied you your right to stand in the Medallion line.

Considering the Border Patrol agent isn't here to defend himself and you've already demontrated a desire to cause trouble at airports even when being granted a favor I don't think it's fare for people to judge the siuation just based upon this trip report.

Before passing judgement and for those that missed it:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum21/HTML/003147.html

Again, if I'm wrong I apologize.

QuietLion
Sep 17, 01, 10:29 am
Thanks for the insider's view. I hope America is never terrorized by a cult of fat balding men.

Carioca Canuck
Sep 17, 01, 10:50 am
You should have kept your attitude in check. Quite frankly I think you are lucky that they did not throw you in jail overnight.

Profiling is going to happen continually for the next little while....maybe even years....get used to it and don't take it personally....I don't....and it happens to me all the time.

Darren
Sep 17, 01, 11:59 am
QL, that *has* to be the quote of the day...

Stories like this chill me to the bone. Love us or leave us, I feel that Southern Californians are some of the most tolerant people I have met (contrary to what the media would like you to believe). The general sentiment is that "something like that will never happen here," but I am terribly afraid that it will. As I said to my mum, I am not afraid of extremists and fanatics. There aren't a relative lot of them, and generally they are too disorganized to sustain an ongoing threat. Al-Qaeda is a notable exception to the latter, obviously. What do scare me are normal, otherwise rational humans who begin to act irrationally because it becomes a mob mentality very quickly. People at that point are no longer thinking for themselves, they are believing what people like Peter Jennings and Connie Chung are telling them. If I was forced to allow someone to do my thinking for me, I don't know if I would want it to be someone with that bad of a haircut.

Here is a link to a story that broke my heart. I know that news people like to sensationalize, but I don't regard this as sensationalism. Sorry about the length of the link, but there isn't much I can do.

Click here (http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010914/us/attacks_arabs_and_muslims_26.html)



[This message has been edited by Darren (edited 09-17-2001).]

doc
Sep 17, 01, 12:16 pm
Sadly, it is a very fine line sometimes between security and harassment! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

letoile, my wife has also been crying off and on all week! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

Jet'Dillo
Sep 17, 01, 12:50 pm
So, so, so very sorry to hear about the treatment you received on your trip. Did you get badge numbers?

I'm just glad it wasn't me. I'd probably be the one in cuffs right now if it was. I look like any fat,white, american geek but know from personal experience that I have a "problem with authority" so I'm sure that makes me a target.

JD

avek00
Sep 17, 01, 12:53 pm
Wow.

A letter to Delta, the Port Authority, and the Department of Transportation are in order.

1. Racial/ethnic profiling is still illegal in this country, regardless of the circumstances.

2. Even if you were deemed "suspicious" for non-racial/ethnic reasons, the treatment that you received by the Border Patrol agents was wrong.

If you don't receive swfit action from Delta et. al., I would suggest that you might want to get in touch with some of the FTers who work in the media...

boatman
Sep 17, 01, 2:21 pm
B,

Your report saddens me greatly.

Our leaders are talking about how they are working to "defend freedom". They obviously don't mean our freedom as your story so aptly illustrates.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: thre greatest danger before us now is the theft of our God-given rights at the hand of our so-called protectors.

The truth that no one is willing state is that the new retrictions are simply a projection of power by the powerful to the powerless, so that we powerless are only more intensely aware of our powerlessness. The expected result is that we will gladly grant even greater dominion over our lives to those whose thirst for power knows no bounds.

I have always enjoyed traveling on business. It was the best part of my job. I find now that I no longer want to go, not out of fear of somebody trying to deprive me of my life in some futile poltical gesture, but because the sense of dread of being subjected to the capricious whims of jack-booted authority and the sense of grief I feel over the further loss of our liberty at our own hands. This cure is worse than the disease. How can I save my children from the terror we are beginning to afflict on ourselves?

B-747, my sympathies are with you. I don't know that I could be as calm as your message makes you appear. If I were you, I'd be all over the media, my elected representatives, Delta mangement, and anybody else that would listen. I shudder to think what the next few years are going to be like if this hysteria continues...

God bless us all,

Boatman in ATL

ORD_UA1K
Sep 17, 01, 4:44 pm
Interesting experience. In no way do I justify the Border Patrol's actions, but I would have gone easy on the attitude in your place because these guys are in no mood to be rational right now. I have been on the receiving end of such power trips myself (from Chicago's finest). Amadou Diallou happened in THIS country, and at a time when things were relatively normal. At any other time, I would be steaming mad. However, we are in unusual circumstances -- the Vice President disclosed that the military had authorization to shoot down civilian aircraft if necessary, for crying out loud -- and I would imagine certain freedom would be suspended.

I was talking to someone yesterday who mentioned that the FBI boarded a plane at PHL and pulled off a Pakistani acquaintance of a friend of theirs -- on his way to college here, in the US for the first time in his life. The poor 18 year old kid was frightened out of his wits. The agents were courteous, and asked for phone numbers of every place he had stayed at in the last two weeks. They held the plane for the kid, but he wasn't the most popular guy on board when he was let back on...

Bookexp
Sep 18, 01, 12:38 pm
I read this thread yesterday at work. When I went home, TV news reported an Egyptian merchant was murdered at his grocery store, which is not far from my house. The motive was apparently a hate crime because no money was stolen from his cashier.
This is Los Angeles. Compared to Iowa or Chicago where I used to live, it is very multicultural diverse. I would never think this would happen in my neighborhood, but it did.
My Indian friend told me someone was cursing at him at USC parking lot. He is far from Middle Eastern looking, nor did he wear any turban, which reminds me another tragedy that an Indian man who wore a turban was shot to death in Arizona.
Profiling is wrong. We didn't see Causcasian male were profiling after Oklahoma bombing, why do we profile Middle Easterners now?

Hate and ignorance seperate us, not unite us.

(Edited for spelling errors)

[This message has been edited by Bookexp (edited 09-18-2001).]

VicOsaki
Sep 18, 01, 1:51 pm
Perhaps your story illustrates the dangers of hurriedly placing the untrained and unsupervised in positions of authority. The border patrol agents may have come straight off of our southern border where they are allowed wide latitude in their treatment of their quarry.

Hopefully, as things settle down, the situation will improve.


It must have been a terrible day.

Hashman
Sep 18, 01, 10:15 pm
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by aw:
All of a sudden this has become a witch hunt for all Arab or olive skinned people. What's next? Latin people?</font>

Read this report (http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/13160/) for one account of four people told to leave the aircraft without making a scene; none was an Arab or a Muslim.

Profiling is useless. My wife has blonde hair and blue eyes, and if she took off her hijab (Islamic head scarf), it would be impossible to tell that she's Muslim. And from the pictures I've seen of the supposed terrorists, none of them look like "Islamic fundamentalists" with long beards, etc...

Sikhs have been attacked (and even killed in one case) by ignorant racists. I wonder if the people profiling at airports are any more enlightened...?

robinhood
Sep 18, 01, 10:35 pm
I was greatly saddened to read your report. A friend of mine who is Puerto Rican told me today that her brother has had obscenities screamed at him by people assuming he was Arab. Is it really a small minority of people who are this ignorant? Or is the problem greater? Polls show that 49% of Americans think that all Arabs, including US citizens, should be forced to carry special ID cards. I thought we were better than the Nazis and their yellow stars. Times of crisis really do bring out the true nature of people. I am deeply wounded and gravely disappointed by the ignorance, hysteria, and hate shown by my fellow Americans.

[This message has been edited by robinhood (edited 09-18-2001).]

GeorgeJ
Sep 19, 01, 2:27 pm
I see absolutely no reason for the Border patrol agent's "attitude" in this situation..telling him that you would like to use the other line because it is shorter and you are a Medallion member is NOT giving him any attitude, IMO. I would guess that this agent is an ...**** every day.

Earlier this year I had to go through a metal detector at the local traffic court/small claims court. It kept going off even after I had pulled out my change & keys. They then wanted me to put my wallet through the metal detector. I complied (even though I thought they were idiots for asking). Then they wanted to use the wand on me and to LEAVE my wallet many feet away at the metal detector. At that point, I had had it and told them no. That's when I got the "stop giving us this attitude or you're going to jail" crap. For not letting them keep my wallet ten feet away from me? You've got to be joking; I was entering a third-rate courthouse, not the White House..Unfortunately, there are jerks wearing badges that should never be..

And that's why I believe B747-437B's story 100%..and I'm just an almost-middle-aged white guy..As has been already pointed out, there's a classy way to ask questions and the totally out-of-line way this jerk did (plus the jerks in the baording area)..

ChaseTheMiles
Sep 19, 01, 10:54 pm
What happened to B747 more than saddened me; it upset me extremely. It is exactly at a time like this that we don't let people in power to exploit a tragic situation to chip away at our personal liberties and respect for each other's freedoms.

It sounds easy to say "I'll accept a little less freedom for more safety", but there is no guarantee when the measures aren't designed correctly and the enforcers aren't doing their jobs well.

Remember too that once we accept certain loss of personal liberties, it will be an uphill battle to get it back. That's when the terrorists have really won. They will have turned our country into a divisive one just like theirs.

ht_redneck
Sep 20, 01, 9:10 am
Unfortunately, it looks like once wasn't enough for Delta.

http://www.kmol.com/news/topstory/story.asp?content_id=659442

Edited to add that he missed his brother's wedding because of the incident.

[This message has been edited by ht_redneck (edited 09-20-2001).]

B747-437B
Sep 20, 01, 2:50 pm
I'm not usually a Mike Luckovich fan, but I think this one strikes a chord close to home for me.

http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/opinion/luckovich/images/mike_0920.gif

gowest
Sep 23, 01, 5:35 pm
B747-437B

Thanks for sharing your experience. You showed courage under duress.

ernestb
Oct 3, 01, 1:16 am
B747-437B, Im speechless first foremost write a letter to the airline since you almost werent able to check in the medallion line! Even though having the crendentials. Sounds like you did everything right and even talking with various officers and Flight Crew.
Well I was going from EWR to LAX on Northwest. Im also a Gold Elite with NW, and all I had was my rollerboard, I had no problem at the kiosk, and checked my bag
since I didnt want to deal with any issues. No problem there, proceeded to checkpoint like 20 people in front of me, screeners were screaming for everyone to dump there laptops and to have everything go on the belt. They were not nice at all, When I went through the detector it went off, this male person started yelling at me, I said hey there is nothing on me. He called me a liar.
I then asked for a supervisior as I was getting annoyed, he decided to shove me against the table. I raised my voice and demanded him to step back and had eye contact on a Police officer, he came running over and asked what was my problem. This is what I said, okay IM a 31 171 6'2 white male, and Ive dumped my cell phone as well as the change I had and this agent calls me a liar and he shoves me for not doing it right. But officer I do have a hearing aide in my left ear as u can see, perhaps you would like to wand me and you will see for yourself. After your done I would like to file a citizens arrest report for this screener as he attacked me without cause. So even though I hear about profiles I never witness any such thing until I was a victim and there is not enough words to describe how angry I was. I keep asking myself how did I restrain myself from not getting physical or yelling at the top of my lungs.
I should be singled out cause Im hard of hearing? I should be shoved cause the screener is a jerk?
The screener was taken away in handcuffs and got a 10 day sentence for his actions that day at the checkpoint.

B747-437B Dude IM so sorry to read it happened to you, if it was done in a discreet and professional way, but it surely wasnt and u really handled it quite well better than I would have Im sure..
Kudos

iluv2fly
Oct 3, 01, 2:24 am
Wow - they ACTUALLY took the screener away and put him in the pokey for 10 days? There IS justice in the world. As I was reading your story, I was thinking it was going to be you who was taken away and arrested as opposed to the airport Nazi and you were writing this from your cell next to your seven "new best friends". It's so unfortunate that it has come to this - I fear that because of my inablity to keep quiet when unjust incidents happen that it will be me who is taken away screaming in handcuffs. Thanks for standing up and doing the right thing.

ChaseTheMiles
Oct 3, 01, 10:23 am
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ernestb: B]...IM a 31 171 6'2 white male, ... So even though I hear about profiles I never witness any such thing until I was a victim and there is not enough words to describe how angry I was. [/B]</font>

ernestb: Thank you for relating your experience. I'm glad you stood up to them and won. I've been saying this all along that even if we do not fit the Arab-looking profile now, we still need to protect our civil liberties because there are those who will abuse the extra authorities given them. Power corrupts!

FlyAAway
Oct 12, 01, 6:22 pm
6000 dead, and I am supposed to feel sorry for you?

I would love to hear the Border Patrol agent's side of the story, as well as that of some eyewitnesses.

You sound like your own worst enemy. Keep your mouth closed; cooperate and graduate.

Do you have a problem with authority? Do you have a drinking problem?

Another olive-skinned victim; take a number.

Chances are that we have not even begun to see the worst of the bad times. You probably won't make it that long. Your whiny "you owe me" attitude is disturbing.

richard
Oct 15, 01, 2:39 pm
B747-437B, I feel bad for how you were treated. I disagree very strongly with what some others have said here. Judging people by their skin color or appearance is wrong. It's always wrong.

National emergencies are when American values are most tested, and that is happening now. Of course it's not easy. Of course it's easy to write experiences like these off as necessary and unavoidable. But that is not what America is about.



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