Trip Reports - FA using upgrades to pick up girls, what would you do?




dg1
Aug 29, 00, 12:01 am
Those of you who have read my previous trip reports know I like to write complaint letters, even if I don't send them since it allows me to vent and kill time on a flight. This is one of those letters. I'm not sure if it's actually worth sending ... my first instinct is not to send it ... what's your take?

Letter has been edited to protect the guilty...

To Whom It May Concern,

I have a complaint about in-flight service on American Airlines flight XXX. It is somewhat of an odd complaint, and I admit minor, however it does bother me. I am a frequent flier -- I have been Chairman's Preferred with USAirways (their top elite level) for two years. I am currently trying out American for some destinations I can not reach on USAirways. I signed up for the Platinum challenge, and coincidentally this flight in question is the one that puts me over 10,000 points for Platinum status.

That said, in the three-four hundred flights I've flown, I've never seen so blatantly what I saw today. Seated near me in XXX and XXX were two women who were very friendly with the flight attendants, and they were friendly back. That's fine. However, out of the blue, the first class flight attendant (I did not get his name), who was helping out in coach, suggests that he would treat the ladies (in coach, mind you) to sundaes left over from first class food service. He mentioned there were currently only two people in first class. He also suggested they come up any time they want to first (my impression was just to get the sundae -- but I was wrong!)

Now I would have loved a sundae myself, but I wasn't too upset at this point -- you chat up the flight attendants, little perks like that I understand. What upset me was that fifteen minutes later the ladies asked to move to first class. The flight attendant said OK, and within a matter of minutes the ladies disappeared beyond the curtain into first for the rest of the flight.

Now, as a Chairman's Preferred on USAirways I sit in first class 95% of the time, even on deep discount tickets. This is all through the regular process of upgrades clearing, certificates collected, etc. I also know that sometimes you can smooth talk your way into first class -- I don't do it, but I know it can be done. I play by the rules -- and the airlines have lots of silly rules -- and I expect the airlines to do the same.

It upsets me how blatantly this was done and how your flight attendant is using free upgrades as a pickup line and your plane as his personal bar! (did I mention the girls were buying drinks in coach -- how much do you want to bet they didn't pay after they moved to first class -- lost revenue for American!) In addition, this is my third, full fare coach round-trip on American. I have never sat in first on American. That's fine with me -- those are the rules -- I might have paid a thousand more dollars than those ladies on those flights, but we're all in coach, all's fair... I don't appreciate the rules being bent for such a frivolous reason. I think I'd appreciate it even less as a first class passenger who spent upgrades (OR PAID!) and then someone gets in for free.

My only request is you have a talk with the first class flight attendant who was working this flight and tell him that his behavior was completely unacceptable and may even be considered discrimination. Or at least to conceal it better so as not to insult passengers who aren't attractive to the flight attendants. If this is acceptable policy on American, please do let me know so I can take my business elsewhere.


SMessier
Aug 29, 00, 7:35 am
Perhaps a small complaint, but then again I can't imagine AA would not want to know about such blatant disregard for its upgrade rules and procedures.

I think you made the point well, and would send the letter if I were you.

The Viking
Aug 29, 00, 7:44 am
Being "well connected" (knowing a lot of FA's in SK/BU, and probably getting a lot of undeserved upgrades) I probably shouldn't say this: Go for it, and be sure to provide us with the reply!


ClueByFour
Aug 29, 00, 8:18 am
Personally, I'd send it. While battling thru college, I knew a couple of US flight attendants, and managed to weasel my way into F (when space was available only) on standby. However, this entailed all the proper paperwork, buddy passes, and gate agent cajoling before boarding. Pimping out the first class dessert tray in in flight is just a bit over the top...

RKG
Aug 29, 00, 9:30 am
I would probably send the letter. I am curious as to any response from AA.

JetTroop
Aug 29, 00, 10:28 am
Mail it, Mail it, Mail it! That's just plain rude. Poor customer service to say the least.

dlflyer
Aug 29, 00, 10:28 am
I would send it.

dg1
Aug 29, 00, 11:37 am
You folks have convinced me -- along with my wife and everyone else I showed to at work http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif I tried to email my complaint but AA only allows up to a 1000 characters... So printed it out and faxed it to them. Will post any reply I get!

Rudi
Aug 29, 00, 2:20 pm
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif ... hhhmmmm ... some forty years ago (when I was 18 ...) I think at least one of the girls would have staid with me ... I hope ...

joanek
Aug 30, 00, 7:58 am
From the "what a small world" department: I was speaking with a friend last night and she was filled with joy over the generosity of an AA FA. Yes, I was speaking with one half of the party that has spawned these comments.

Her version of the story is a bit different, though not much. And what it boils down to is proof that saying a sincere "please" and "thank you" when provided service is noticed.

The FA told my friend that most people ignore them or are not friendly and instead are rude and bark out orders, so friendliness is appreciated and rewarded. After they thanked him for the dinner service and for a-one service in all regards, he did invite them to come up to first. Yes, they were given a drink gratis (after paying in coach), but food service was long over and they didn't ask for, nor were they offered a single other thing. And the FA wasn't trying to "pick them up" but was simply being nice. Perhaps too nice.

While I've never seen anything like this before and do think it is unprofessional to upgrade someone whilst in flight, in reality it isn't that far from the "no reason" upgrades that others seem often seem to receive from their favorite gate people or FA's, is it???



[This message has been edited by joanek (edited 08-30-2000).]

ranles
Aug 30, 00, 10:00 am
Send it if that pleases you and your mentors. It is not airline policy, but personal "power play" that these upgrades represent.

Having said that, I beleive many on this board would be bragging about how they smoozed their way to first class if they had received the inflight upgrade.

My personal feeling is that, while first class was mostly empty, the open space belongs to those who paid (in one form or another) thru the system for that space.

I feel the same about the roomier seats on UA for status fliers in coach where people often upgrade themselves without being sent back to "their" assigned (and paid for) seats.

Seems to me this is stealing by the FA, and buy the passengers in question (with the FA's approval).

Would I accept the invitation...YES. Would I upgrade myself to the UA status coach seats...NO, except maybe if a full row was empty.

dg1
Aug 30, 00, 10:24 am
I don't blame the passengers. I gotta admire them for being able to do it. However, I do blame the F/A... I was as friendly as the ladies, just not as drunk and giggling stupidly. I didn't get no sundae. I didn't get no first class upgrade. No, I'm sure I know the reason why the pretty ladies got upgraded.

I'm sure this is done on all airlines -- but do it more discreetly! The only way it would have been less discreet if he broadcast it over the PA system. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Kurt
Aug 31, 00, 4:33 am
An in-flight upgrade is unprofessional. Why? Because the other economy passengers can see what is going on and it looks like what it is: the flight attendant using a company commodity for personal gain (schmoozing the ladies).

I've had flight attendants give me perks (e.g. bottles of wine, etc.) but it was done discreetly, not in full view of everyone else.

BTW, why didn't you have a quiet word with the offending flight attendant during or after the flight? I have spoken to flight attendants about poor service during the flight and was glad I got immediate satisfaction.

violist
Aug 31, 00, 7:31 am
kurt, I can imagine how far dg1's complaint would have got if made directly to the offending party!

dg1
Aug 31, 00, 9:59 am
I did consider it, but didn't for a few reasons:

1) I didn't think it would make a difference other than making the flight attendant mad, telling all his F/A buddies about me, and then who knows how the return flight would be.

2) I'm not into face to face confrontation, anyway.

I was very tempted to say something as I passed by him on my way through first out the plane (with the ladies still sitting there -- since their bags were behind my seat in coach) but I didn't see any benefit from such an action.

dg1
Sep 25, 00, 8:54 pm
Executive Office

Dated Sept 14, 2000
Received Sept 25, 2000

Dear Mr. XXX XXXX,

Thanks for the reminder. You are absolutely right, it is not our policy to have our flight attendants arbitrarily issue complementary upgrades, and I am sorry for the discrepancy you witnessed aboard flight 1631. I appreciate your bringing the matter to our attention so that we can correct the problem. It helps us to receive comments such as yours, and we conscientiously follow through to be sure proper procedures are met. I assure you, Mr. XXXX, your letter is being put to good use.

Yours truly,
M. Craig Coleman
Executive Office
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I guess I'm ok with the answer. I didn't ask for any compensation so I didn't get any... that's fair.

Andrew Yiu
Sep 25, 00, 10:03 pm
Wonder what they mean by "good use" http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

onedog
Sep 26, 00, 11:43 am
Originally posted by Empress:
Wonder what they mean by "good use" http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

Being the cynic that I am (about how much the airlines care about their customers), my suggestions as to how M. Craig Coleman probably "used" the letter:

1. Waste management at the bottom of Fifi the parakeet's cage

2. Additional filing for the circular cabinet.

3. Joke's at the next executive mixer

4. Material for newest chapter of M. Coleman's book, "How to Pick Up Chicks"

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif

[This message has been edited by onedog (edited 09-26-2000).]

JetTroop
Sep 26, 00, 3:11 pm
Thanks for the update, at least they took the time and wrote back. If they truly didn't care, you probably wouldn't have gotten a response.

Dalguy
Sep 30, 00, 7:51 pm
The letter will be filed in the offending employee's file.

dg1
Sep 30, 00, 10:40 pm
I can just imagine it... I start accumulating some status with AA, starting sitting in first, he's an F/A there and checks the manifest.. that would be an interesting flight!



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