Starwood Preferred Guest - Confusion about rates for W NYC the weekend before X-mas




atlhalfjap
Jan 9, 03, 11:48 pm
Ok, this is gonna be a long one, but I just HAD to ask...Here's the drill, I and 2 friends when to NYC the weekend before X-mas. Stayed at the W NY (49th and Lex), first stay for all of us. Nice enough hotel, quite a bit of attitude from staff but I suppose if you are "hipper than thou" you can have an attitude. That's not really my problem.
The Problem? I have just found out that my friend paid CONSIDERABLY LESS than me, even though he had a King room and I had a Queen. We were on the same floor, had adjoining rooms, actually, due to the only person at the desk who didn't flip attitude. I booked on the Starwood site and he bought thru Orbitz. His price for 2 nights (SAT & SUN)= $336 and change(roughly 168 per night), MY Price for 3 night (FRI, SAT & SUN)=$678 and change (roughly 226 per). That's a $58.00 per night difference. Yes, this includes taxes, etc. What gives here? I booked my room about a day after he booked his so the differences are negligible. Doesn't Starwood's site boast that they have "guaranteed lowest rates"?
As an aside, I also discovered a charge of $34.00 for 2 drinks(glass of Pinot Grigio and a Malibu Bay Rum) from the nightclub/bar (Whiskey Blue) attached to the hotel, on Saturday night . When I asked a question about this to the guy at the desk prior to checkout, I was told with a shrug that it sounded "about right" to him. When I expressed disbelief - due to the fact that I had paid IN CASH for 2 drinks (Sky dirty martini and Sky vodka tonic) on Friday night I was charged $19.00. I'm aware that there is a 18% automatic gratuity when charged to the room, and I don't mind. EXCEPT, there's no way a $15.00 difference is 18% of $19.00! This is , of course, assuming that there wasn't some astronomical price difference due to the different drinks - I was told "Well, I could go in the back and look in the reciepts, BUT, it will take a lot of time and it sounds about right to me. Its pretty expensive to drink in there. It sounds right to me." At which point, due to the large number of people stacking up behind me and not wishing to create a scene, I paid the bill and checked out. If I truly owed the $34.00, I'm happy to pay but I find it pretty incredible to believe. I also find this man's idea of customer service pretty incredible, is this just his idea of service, or perhaps it's an example of Starwoods' take on serice? I certainly hope not. I liked the hotel but not enough to pput up with this kind of treatment. BTW- the people I bought the drinks for, they live in NYC and go to Whiskey Blue just to hang out. They say that the $34.00 for their drinks is too high, they get the same drinks and they don't pay that much. No, they don't remember exactly what they pay as it is usually a group of them and they generally have more than one drink each.
Anything anyone can do to straighten out or clarify this for me would be most appreciated. Thank you.



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dejahma
Jan 10, 03, 12:07 am
deleted for latenight stupidity

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christep
Jan 10, 03, 12:18 am
Sorry to be naive, but didn't you sign off a bill to your room before you left the bar? If so, surely you read it before you signed it?


atlhalfjap
Jan 10, 03, 12:21 am
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by dejahma:
I think you should go back to them and tell them there was an error in the amount you wanted to pay. The amount charged is $34.00 but anybody would know that the correct amount should be $3.40. See the Bora-bora topic. I am sure they will accommodate you.</font>

Well, I looked at the thread and frankly I more than a bit dismayed.......I think I'm not going to get any clarification or resolution if that thread is to be believed. (Big sigh.) Although....I don't have to stay at a Starwood property (ever again) if I don't want to. Which is what will probably happen if I don't get a reasonable response. I'll be patient and see how they handle this. Who knows, maybe they dazzle me and I'll WANT to stay with them.

atlhalfjap
Jan 10, 03, 12:24 am
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by christep:
Sorry to be naive, but didn't you sign off a bill to your room before you left the bar? If so, surely you read it before you signed it?</font>

I asked, was told there was no need to sign and that the 18% would be added. I didn't mind that so I left for our dinner reservations.

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welookgood.com
Jan 10, 03, 1:26 am
Your other issue has no chance. Hotels charge different rates from different sites. if you find it before your stay you are in luck. knowing it after what can u do. I stayed News years eve and everyone had different rates. A hotel could not survive if everyone talked to each other who was staying at the hotel, found the guy with the lowest rate, and all demanded that rate.

christep
Jan 10, 03, 2:03 am
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by atlhalfjap:
I asked, was told there was no need to sign and that the 18% would be added. I didn't mind that so I left for our dinner reservations.</font>

Then personally I think you only have yourself to blame. I would never put things on my room without at least a copy of the bill (signed or not).

LIH Prem
Jan 10, 03, 4:59 am
Why not contact the hotel to find out the actual cost of the drinks, then calculate the 18% yourself, and if the total does not match, you can have the hotel credit back the difference. (Just like what happens with some delayed charges.)

-David

atlhalfjap
Jan 10, 03, 10:26 am
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by christep:
Then personally I think you only have yourself to blame. I would never put things on my room without at least a copy of the bill (signed or not).</font>

Ok, perhaps I should have done that........ however, there was no need for the attitude that I got from him, or you.

If you will note, I'm not asking for anything from anyone beyond clarification. I'm not really all that distraught over 15 bucks, I blown more on less.......I just thought the refusal to check for me, as a paying customer, (and obviously a high paying one! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif )was out of line. The combination of the general "hipper than thou" attitude and the lack of customer care make me reluctant to stay there again, not the 15 bucks.

atlhalfjap
Jan 10, 03, 10:34 am
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by welookgood.com:
Your other issue has no chance. Hotels charge different rates from different sites. if you find it before your stay you are in luck. knowing it after what can u do. I stayed News years eve and everyone had different rates. A hotel could not survive if everyone talked to each other who was staying at the hotel, found the guy with the lowest rate, and all demanded that rate. </font>

If that's the case, so be it. However, you can't expect that people who are friends aren't going to talk about the rates. (I didn't go around interviewing other guests.)I am of the school that thinks it never hurts to ask......

Starwood Lurker
Jan 10, 03, 1:11 pm
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by atlhalfjap:
If that's the case, so be it. However, you can't expect that people who are friends aren't going to talk about the rates. (I didn't go around interviewing other guests.)I am of the school that thinks it never hurts to ask......</font>

atlhalfjap, part of this is a hotel-related billing issue that should be handled by Customer Care. You can reach them toll-free at 1-800-328-6242 or by sending them an email at customercare@starwoodhotels.com.

The rate issue really isn't one. Your friends found a lower price than you - it's as simple as that. If you had realized this beforehand, you probably could have paid 10% less than they did if you had applied for the Best Rate Guarantee.

Flyertalk is a great place to share information and opinions, but it does very little to actually resolve an issue. I would let Customer Care do that work for you.

Best regards,

William R. Sanders
Specialist, E-Communications Department
Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide

guest.forum@starwoodhotels.com

atlhalfjap
Jan 10, 03, 4:05 pm
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">

The rate issue really isn't one. Your friends found a lower price than you - it's as simple as that. If you had realized this beforehand, you probably could have paid 10% less than they did if you had applied for the Best Rate Guarantee.

Flyertalk is a great place to share information and opinions, but it does very little to actually resolve an issue. I would let Customer Care do that work for you.

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William,

First, thank you for the information in reagrds to who to contact. I will do so.

Secondly, did I not make myself clear? I have not requested an adjustment or anything else like that. What I DID request is some CLARIFICATION as to the rates. If SPG advertise a Best Rates Guarantee, how is it that the rates at SPG.com are this much higher than the rates at Orbitz or some similar site. Its not as if Orbitz is a consolidator like Priceline. Being rather new to this forum, I had thought that someone might be able to explain that to me. Instead, all I've gotten is lectured to. Even from you, the sanctioned representative here. I would have thought that you would have been the one person able to explain this to me. (Or if you had bothered to refer me to a thread where there has been discussion of this type of thing, I would have been satisfied with that.) However, I was sumarily dimissed with a "they found lower rates, live with it" flipness that I find offensive.

Perhaps this is also an example of the corporate culture at Starwood, and if this is the way its gonna be, then I will take my business elsewhere.

Thirdly, while I was looking for clarification and information, I was also looking to SHARE my experience at the W NYC. I'm fully aware what this forum is for. You needn't act, on one hand as if I should be a seasoned hand who's supposed to know all about rates, etc, and then on the other hand, behave in a condescending maner as if I'm not using this forum correctly. I think I did manage to get this in the correct arena.

Thanks for your efforts. There's nothing like passing the buck.



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