United MileagePlus (Consolidated) - Business First Seats on Continental 767 with non-lie flat seats

I just purchased a P business class airfare from EWR-MUC and MIL-EWR. Then, when I selected seats after the purchase, I realize that these are not full-flat seats. I logged onto seatguru, and see that they are 'recline" but not full-flat. Has anyone flown business in these seats? They are 2-1-2 across, and say that there is a 55 inch seat pitch and a 156 degree recline. What is really important to me (given that this itinerary was $3200+ versus 5400+ for a Z fare on the lie-flats) is a footrest that becomes level with the seat (e.g., parallel to the floor). Can anyone tell me if this is the case with this plane?

EWR-MUC is a sCO 772, they're all lie-flat; pic fully reclined:
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_le74bsJLra1qbjpp1.jpg

MXP-EWR is sCO 762, they're nowhere near flat; pic fully reclined:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3195/2826371704_fd3375ded0.jpg

For a daytime flight I think it's less critical to get a lie-flat, but the 762 seats are two decades old and beat up.

EWR-MUC is a sCO 772, they're all lie-flat; pic fully reclined:
. Is this true? I thought it was 762 on that route?

Is this true? I thought it was 762 on that route?

You are correct, they operate the 767-400ER on that route without lie flat seats. But depends on when the OP is traveling, there might be an aircraft change in the future.

I've flown in the "old style" BusinessFirst seats for decades. Yes, the lie-flat is nice, but the old style isn't bad. I've slept very well on those 767s. The entertainment system sucks, but I now use an iPad or my laptop. Just remember to bring an adapter.

Avoid 1D (everyone trips over that seat). On the 767-200 be sure to sit toward the front since those flights board and disembark from door 1L. On the 767-400, the last two rows are served by the purser, so you either want the very front or very back.

Yes, I try to fly on the lie-flat aircraft, but you'll still enjoy a separate pasta course, BusinessFirst entrees, sundaes, a full breakfast, and a big pillow witha puffy blanket. Milan is known to fly very senior, so you should (theoretically) get experienced and polished NTA flight attendants.

We have a 767-400 on our Newark to HNL in November. What type of seats would they have? It is a 2 1 2 setup.

We have a 767-400 on our Newark to HNL in November. What type of seats would they have? It is a 2 1 2 setup.

Right now it's scheduled to be the 20J seat configuration which have the barcoloungers. However there may be a possibility of an aircraft change and you get flatbeds on your flight.

Right now it's scheduled to be the 20J seat configuration which have the barcoloungers. However there may be a possibility of an aircraft change and you get flatbeds on your flight.

Thanks. The flatbeds would be nice on that long a flight.

I've flown in the "old style" BusinessFirst seats for decades. Yes, the lie-flat is nice, but the old style isn't bad. I've slept very well on those 767s. The entertainment system sucks, but I now use an iPad or my laptop. Just remember to bring an adapter.

Avoid 1D (everyone trips over that seat). On the 767-200 be sure to sit toward the front since those flights board and disembark from door 1L. On the 767-400, the last two rows are served by the purser, so you either want the very front or very back.

Yes, I try to fly on the lie-flat aircraft, but you'll still enjoy a separate pasta course, BusinessFirst entrees, sundaes, a full breakfast, and a big pillow witha puffy blanket. Milan is known to fly very senior, so you should (theoretically) get experienced and polished NTA flight attendants.

First of all, this is a PMCO route on a 767-400. Most of have been converted to lie flat AFIAK. The seat map shows the lie flat configuration. So, if true, they would have a good AVOD system also.

Secondly, they don't tell you about it. But there's an espresso machine on all PMCO 767s and 777s in BF. Just ask.

Just had an experience on a 767-200 old version with the business first product--the plane had been subbed in for a 757 from IAH-LAX on Friday. I was in the middle--2d? The seat all by myself. I found the seat to be terribly uncomfortable. The foot rest didn't come all the way up level, the lumbar wasn't working and the headrest was wobbly. It wasn't enjoyable at all. Plus the inflight was still branded as Continental. It was clear that I was on an old airplane. After experiencing the business first product to TLV, MAD and Rome--I can't see how this is even put out there anymore as business first. If I paid full freight and had this seat, I would be upset.

If I paid full freight and had this seat, I would be upset. Not sure what is upsetting you - is it this particular seat 2D or the 762 BF product? Only five years ago so many were happy to pay "full freight" to sit up front even with those seats we claim to despise so
much. I think you need to sit in Y next time, then you would see 2D isnt so bad afterall....

Just had an experience on a 767-200 old version with the business first product--the plane had been subbed in for a 757 from IAH-LAX on Friday. I was in the middle--2d? The seat all by myself. I found the seat to be terribly uncomfortable. The foot rest didn't come all the way up level, the lumbar wasn't working and the headrest was wobbly. It wasn't enjoyable at all.

I've always found this seat to be the worst experience of the combined fleets. An uncomfortable cushion and awkward short footrest never fail to team up to ensure no sleep. It's hard to believe this was the product they were offering until only a few years ago.

The pmUA intl. C barcalounger is far from faultless, but it is in fact more comfortable and offers the ability to sleep. Guessing the company agrees too, seeing they are sourcing these from the old p.s. birds for some 777 aircraft.

Are there plans to update these seats in the near future?

Even if your flight is scheduled w a 764 w old C seats, there is a better then good chance youll have an aircraft swap to the new seats. IAH-HNL is scheduled e the old seats but up seems like 50% of the flights are swapped for new seats. This is the only thing good about UA's crewed up scheduling & MX's. They have so many delayed flights that they end up just rushing around the last minute plugging holes

Just returned from IAH-EZE-IAH with the old style 762 seats. Though I prefer the lie flat seats on the 777, I am still able to sleep on the old style seats.
I see that they are changing equipment to a 763 on the IAH-EZE trip with lie flat seats, may see what that is like in a few months.

Just had an experience on a 767-200 old version with the business first product--the plane had been subbed in for a 757 from IAH-LAX on Friday. I was in the middle--2d? The seat all by myself. I found the seat to be terribly uncomfortable. The foot rest didn't come all the way up level, the lumbar wasn't working and the headrest was wobbly. It wasn't enjoyable at all. Plus the inflight was still branded as Continental. It was clear that I was on an old airplane. After experiencing the business first product to TLV, MAD and Rome--I can't see how this is even put out there anymore as business first. If I paid full freight and had this seat, I would be upset.

How was Rome in business first? Going there in three weeks in BF

I'm booked in business next April , IAH-HNL-IAH and the equipment had changed to a 3 class PMUAL 777-200 with a 2-3-2 seat configuration.
Are these just like domestic first class seats with no foot rests and minimal decline? If so that's rather barbaric , especially on the overnight back to IAH.

Just returned from IAH-EZE-IAH with the old style 762 seats. Though I prefer the lie flat seats on the 777, I am still able to sleep on the old style seats.
I am able to sleep in Y seats.


Are these just like domestic first class seats with no foot rests and minimal decline? If so that's rather barbaric , especially on the overnight back to IAH.
Wow, now we must really be losing it. Barbaric because we are sitting, rather than lying, in bigger comfortable seats in C that we would have paid a premium for ten years ago? Next time you find yourself in one of those please switch with me in 32A - I would be happy to partake in such barbaric activity....

It is barbaric and backwards to boot. I have paid for a flat bed, and now downgraded to a seat. Whether I sit like a sardine in coach is not the point. I don't want to sit up period and paid for a reclined seat with a footrest

It is barbaric and backwards to boot. I have paid for a flat bed, and now downgraded to a seat. Whether I sit like a sardine in coach is not the point. I don't want to sit up period and paid for a reclined seat with a footrest I am pretty confident you did not 'pay' for a flat bed but rather for a seat in the BF cabin. I also suspect that your contract of carriage includes a clause that allows equipment change, but I may be wrong as I am not one to read the small print.

It is barbaric and backwards to boot. I have paid for a flat bed, and now downgraded to a seat. Whether I sit like a sardine in coach is not the point. I don't want to sit up period and paid for a reclined seat with a footrest

You didn't pay for a flat bed. You paid for an older PMCO BusinessFirst seat in the Micronesia iteration of the 767-400, the 76H. You paid for a seat which reclines to an approximate 156 degree angle to the floor with a leg rest and personal monitor with the older 2.5 hour loop IFE.

What you have now is the older PMUA Business seat which has the same approximate recline, leg rest, and monitor, which many in this forum has said is more comfortable than the PMCO older BF seat.

I originally booked an award itinerary in Jan 13 in the same 76H aircraft. With the A/C change to the same 3-class 772, I chose to spend an additional 10K miles each way to get out of that "barbaric" comfortable recliner with leg rest and monitor for a true flat bed in the very pointy end.

I can pretty much guarantee that you will get what you paid for.

Just did GRU - IAH on the 762 last night. The metal bar on the footrest did not work, so no foot stop, your feet just dangled, too low for my liking. I had to hold the plug for the IFE in a certain position if I wanted sound. The small screen is not quite retina resolution. The purser aplogized, something along the lines that when the aircraft become due for a heavy maintenance check, they will be withdrawn. Basically, 2nd rate hard product for a 1st rate price. Soft product mediocre too. What I liked the most.....the pilots, I think CO does have some of the most professional pilots. Nicely navigated around some nasty thunderstorms just off Colombia. You cannot take that for granted with pilots from other countries.

You didn't pay for a flat bed. You paid for an older PMCO BusinessFirst seat in the Micronesia iteration of the 767-400, the 76H. You paid for a seat which reclines to an approximate 156 degree angle to the floor with a leg rest and personal monitor with the older 2.5 hour loop IFE.

What you have now is the older PMUA Business seat which has the same approximate recline, leg rest, and monitor, which many in this forum has said is more comfortable than the PMCO older BF seat.

I originally booked an award itinerary in Jan 13 in the same 76H aircraft. With the A/C change to the same 3-class 772, I chose to spend an additional 10K miles each way to get out of that "barbaric" comfortable recliner with leg rest and monitor for a true flat bed in the very pointy end.

I can pretty much guarantee that you will get what you paid for.




You forgot to mention that PMUA 767 old seats are 2-2-2 vs 2-1-2. I'd take a PMCO old 767 over a PMUA old 767 anyday.

Does anyone have a business seat picture or a link to the old 3 class PMUAL 777-200 with a 2-3-2 seat configuration

Does anyone have a business seat picture or a link to the old 3 class PMUAL 777-200 with a 2-3-2 seat configuration

Go to www.airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net). Click on Photos (upper left corner), then Photo Search Engine. Select Boeing 777-200, United Airlines, and Cabin Views. There are several photos towards the bottom of Page 1, IIRC, and subsequent pages. They are in chronological order. PMCO and reconfigured UA birds are shown first.

We have a 767-400 on our Newark to HNL in November. What type of seats would they have? It is a 2 1 2 setup.

Look up your reservation on line - and check which version of the 767-400 you're booked on. This is the most likely version (but it could be another version):

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/United_Airlines/United_Airlines_Boeing_767-400_H.php

Note that if the plane has lie flat seats - they will look like "mummies" when you "view seats" on your reservation. Robyn

First of all, this is a PMCO route on a 767-400. Most of have been converted to lie flat AFIAK. The seat map shows the lie flat configuration. So, if true, they would have a good AVOD system also.

Not the Hawaii birds, they're still the 20 year old seats.

Not sure what is upsetting you - is it this particular seat 2D or the 762 BF product? Only five years ago so many were happy to pay "full freight" to sit up front even with those seats we claim to despise so
much. I think you need to sit in Y next time, then you would see 2D isnt so bad afterall....

+1 Indeed! Besides it isn't that long of a flight -- only crossing one ocean. Its not like it is EWR-SIN nonstop.

I've flown on the plane (or a similar one) mentioned by the OP. It was fine for its day. Probably is today for most people. But I sleep on my stomach - and never could get any sleep in those seats (my husband sleeps on his back - and never has any problem at all). For our next trip - I specifically sought out a plane with lie flat seats. The flight was somewhat more expensive (miles/money) and slightly more inconvenient (hubbing through EWR instead of Atlanta) than a flight with regular business class seats. But - for me - it was worth while (I think - will let you know after I return :)).

And to the OP - it's really easy to check out the seats on a plane before you book a flight. So I don't have much sympathy for you (would feel differently if the equipment you wound up on was different than the equipment you booked). Robyn