TalkBoard Topics - Create a Frequent Parker Program section

Hi,

This is Oz from SmartPark JFK.
I see you have sections for rewards programs but none for parking?

Oz

Since new sections are voted and decided on by the FT Talkboard, I have moved this thread there. Please note that a new section will only be voted on if you ask for it in a certain format. More here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/918161-what-talkboard-how-new-forums-other-suggestions-considered.html

Regards Oliver2002
Senior Mod

ps: Welcome to FT!^

What is a parker? Like frequent parking?

An interesting proposal. I have to admit that when I do travel, I do make sure to get points for parking. And I do know that at least in the DFW area, there are a few different FPP (Frequent Parking Programs) available.

The real question though is if people will really discuss much about these programs. I did a quick search (using "Frequent Parking") within MilesBuzz! and only found 7 threads over the last 13 years. Now that doesn't mean that if there were a forum for this topic that traffic would pick-up nor does it mean that there aren't other threads within that forum (or other forums as well).

I would guess the TB is going to want to see either an existing demand (i.e. threads/posts) or a good argument around the "build it and they will come" idea.

But I do like the thought and think that it has some merrit at least.

There are 3-4 threads in TravelBuzz using your search criteria.

I don't see enough demand for a dedicated forum, but perhaps a sticky somewhere?

Cheers.

Since new sections are voted and decided on by the FT Talkboard, I have moved this thread there. Please note that a new section will only be voted on if you ask for it in a certain format. More here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/918161-what-talkboard-how-new-forums-other-suggestions-considered.html

Regards Oliver2002
Senior Mod

ps: Welcome to FT!^

Thank you. :)



What is a parker? Like frequent parking?

Yes. Frequent Off site, full service, delivery to and from your airline terminal JFK Airport parking specifically.




An interesting proposal. I have to admit that when I do travel, I do make sure to get points for parking. And I do know that at least in the DFW area, there are a few different FPP (Frequent Parking Programs) available.

The real question though is if people will really discuss much about these programs. I did a quick search (using "Frequent Parking") within MilesBuzz! and only found 7 threads over the last 13 years. Now that doesn't mean that if there were a forum for this topic that traffic would pick-up nor does it mean that there aren't other threads within that forum (or other forums as well).

I would guess the TB is going to want to see either an existing demand (i.e. threads/posts) or a good argument around the "build it and they will come" idea.

But I do like the thought and think that it has some merrit at least.

There are 3-4 threads in TravelBuzz using your search criteria.

I don't see enough demand for a dedicated forum, but perhaps a sticky somewhere?

Cheers.


While I understand that there may not be a great buzz or demand for it right now. That is exactly why I feel it should have its own forum.


The SmartPark JFK "Confirm To Earn" Frequent Parker Loyalty Program is the only program that:

1. Automatically starts accumulating points for parkers with any effort on their part. Simply redeem your reservation and its 1pt for every paid day. Every 7 points = 1 free added to your account automatically.

2. No need to sign up or register. As of September 21, 2011. When you place a reservation at http://www.smartparkjfk.com your placement of the reservation starts the accumulation process. You simply look at the top of your reservation confirmation email and you will see a temporary password. It is built into the edit/cancel/print part of the reservation system.


Other programs require you to sign up in order to receive free days. Then you have to carry a card or key fob or print out. Your free days are automatically added AND YOU control how and when to use them. YOU apply and save them to your future reservation(s).



I hope this answers any/all questions. If not, feel free to contact me any time.

Oz
SmartPark JFK

There is a number of parking services throughout the US that offer frequent parker benefits, as I have found out. As to whether there is a mass of interest sufficient to start a dedicated Forum, the guidelines used here to determine volume and interest are contained in the "sticky" thread at the header of the Forum here: What is the TalkBoard and How are New Forums and Other Suggestions Considered? (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/918161-what-talkboard-how-new-forums-other-suggestions-considered.html). In particular:

What is the TalkBoard and How are New Forums and
Other Suggestions Considered?

The following are qualitative criteria that the TalkBoard believes are useful
to consider when evaluating proposals to create, close, split, or move
forums. Whenever a forum change is discussed on the TalkBoard Topics,
the TalkBoard encourages posters to fully address these criteria in addition
to any other reasons supporting or opposing the change.

1. Will the forum be (or is it now) beneficial to FlyerTalk?

2. Will the new forum benefit a relationship with FlyerTalk? E.g., does
the forum provide value for FT members, such as a friendly ear highly
placed in the company

3. Is FT the best place to discuss this subject?

4. Is there a passionate following? This is essential in order to provide
dedicated expert helpers to get questions answered.

5. Is a critical mass of posts and readers anticipated or existing? We need
adequate traffic to keep everyone visiting frequently. One living forum is
more valuable than two mostly dead ones.

6. Is this the best place on FlyerTalk for this subject? This is the
classification issue. The answer depends primarily on achieving and
maintaining critical mass. It also depends on whether or where the
discussion might (or does) occur in the absence of the forum.

7. For proposals to split a forum, is the split expected to improve
the signal to noise ratio? Why?

...

Passed June 28, 2010:
Motion Passed: TalkBoard Statement on Criteria for Forum Changes

JDiver, Senior Moderator / Moderator Talk Board Topics

At a quick glance it appears that the OP wants a place where they can plug their commercial venture or their employer's commercial venture.

I'd think this would be a great example of the type of thread that could go into a Commercial, For-Profit forum. :)

At a quick glance it appears that the OP wants a place where they can plug their commercial venture or their employer's commercial venture.

I'd think this would be a great example of the type of thread that could go into a Commercial, For-Profit forum. :)


While I certainly see what you mean and understand your post. I have more than just a business interest in SmartPark JFK.

I ACTUALLY want to HELP REDUCE travelers costs when traveling. SmartPark JFK is a vehicle(no pun intended) for that.

I have complete control and anything I do for anyone on FlyerTalk is at my own discretion.

I can give away one free day.
I can give away two free days.
(I have already done this for two members on flyertalk)

I can give away many free days.


Quite frankly, I can comp the entire stay at SmartPark JFK. So, you see, its a little more "personal" than just "business" for me ;)


I just feel I can be a valuable addition to FT.

I'd assume the vast majority of us have a single airport or city where we use airport parking (our hometown). If so, Parking threads probably fit better in the destination forums than gathered together into a central place.

Parking programs seem to usually be pretty simple, with way fewer quirks, restrictions, bonuses, promotions, and partnerships compared to airlines or hotels. That doesn't make them less useful, but it means there's less to discuss.

OP, I would suggest contacting FT to change your status to "official company rep" and then offering to help people with concierge & help desk issues (hey, why didn't my points post?).

This has been suggested to Admin.

JDiver, Senior Moderator

While I certainly see what you mean and understand your post. I have more than just a business interest in SmartPark JFK.

I ACTUALLY want to HELP REDUCE travelers costs when traveling. SmartPark JFK is a vehicle(no pun intended) for that.

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I just feel I can be a valuable addition to FT.

...
OP, I would suggest contacting FT to change your status to "official company rep" and then offering to help people with concierge & help desk issues (hey, why didn't my points post?).

I'd assume the vast majority of us have a single airport or city where we use airport parking (our hometown). If so, Parking threads probably fit better in the destination forums than gathered together into a central place.

Parking programs seem to usually be pretty simple, with way fewer quirks, restrictions, bonuses, promotions, and partnerships compared to airlines or hotels. That doesn't make them less useful, but it means there's less to discuss.

Agreed with swag. Two questions for the OP:
1) Are you aware of any other frequent parking programs at JFK?
2) Are the things about your program applicable to parking at any other airport? In other words, is there a SmartPark in other places with the same terms?

Parking programs seem to usually be pretty simple, with way fewer quirks, restrictions, bonuses, promotions, and partnerships compared to airlines or hotels. That doesn't make them less useful, but it means there's less to discuss.




In my experience, other facilities have:

- DENIED the customer their free days at checkout because they actually do not keep tracking of them automatically as they claim to do(pretty much saying they do because we say we do and in fact... DO!

- DENIED the customer free day(s) at checkout because they didnt have printout, FPP card, key fob, etc.

- Fine print that lets their free days/points/rewards expire. Our points do not expire. While it is possible that they may in the future. Currently I am fighting for NOT EXPIRING EVER!


So, there is much to talk about when it comes to Frequent Parker Programs. IMO.

:)







Agreed with swag. Two questions for the OP:
1) Are you aware of any other frequent parking programs at JFK?
2) Are the things about your program applicable to parking at any other airport? In other words, is there a SmartPark in other places with the same terms?


Answer 1: Yes, I am. I would rather not refer to competitors though. I do know how their programs work and they are shady in some cases. I can PM you with the info I have on the other programs :)


Answer 2: Currenly only JFK. But there are plans in the works for other location(s).

Answer 1: Yes, I am. I would rather not refer to competitors though. I do know how their programs work and they are shady in some cases. I can PM you with the info I have on the other programs :)

That's okay, I just wanted to get a scope of what the "market" was for parking programs at JFK.

Answer 2: Currenly only JFK. But there are plans in the works for other location(s).

Then I would agree with what others posted upthread, that currently discussing your program in the NYC forum is the best place right now and I wouldn't encourage the TB to vote for a frequent parking forum. There's already a handy directory that is sticky at the top of the NYC forum, with links to great information about all of the NYC airports (including parking), so I think having them go to another forum to find information on your program doesn't make much sense.

Answer 2: Currenly only JFK. But there are plans in the works for other location(s).
Then I would agree with what others posted upthread, that currently discussing your program in the NYC forum is the best place right now and I wouldn't encourage the TB to vote for a frequent parking forum.
I agree.

Not to mention there's already an existing thread on SmartPark in our NYC Forum (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/new-york-city/955881-anyone-try-smartpark-jfk.html). I see no need to promote its services nor program details in TB Topics Forum. ;)

The SmartPark JFK "Confirm To Earn" Frequent Parker Loyalty Program is the only program that:

1. Automatically starts accumulating points for parkers with any effort on their part. Simply redeem your reservation and its 1pt for every paid day. Every 7 points = 1 free added to your account automatically.

2. No need to sign up or register. As of September 21, 2011. When you place a reservation at http://www.smartparkjfk.com your placement of the reservation starts the accumulation process. You simply look at the top of your reservation confirmation email and you will see a temporary password. It is built into the edit/cancel/print part of the reservation system.


Other programs require you to sign up in order to receive free days. Then you have to carry a card or key fob or print out. Your free days are automatically added AND YOU control how and when to use them. YOU apply and save them to your future reservation(s).


Citation needed, but really this entire thread just screams promoting your company.



While I certainly see what you mean and understand your post. I have more than just a business interest in SmartPark JFK.

I ACTUALLY want to HELP REDUCE travelers costs when traveling. SmartPark JFK is a vehicle(no pun intended) for that.


Sure, you say this isn't just about promoting SmartPark JFK, and that you want to help REDUCE travelers costs. I'll remember this.



I have complete control and anything I do for anyone on FlyerTalk is at my own discretion.

I can give away one free day.
I can give away two free days.
(I have already done this for two members on flyertalk)
I can give away many free days.
Quite frankly, I can comp the entire stay at SmartPark JFK. So, you see, its a little more "personal" than just "business" for me ;)


Sure as heck smells like business to me, given that you're working with predetermined "discounts" you're "authorized" to give us.


In my experience, other facilities have:

- DENIED the customer their free days at checkout because they actually do not keep tracking of them automatically as they claim to do(pretty much saying they do because we say we do and in fact... DO!

- DENIED the customer free day(s) at checkout because they didnt have printout, FPP card, key fob, etc.

- Fine print that lets their free days/points/rewards expire. Our points do not expire. While it is possible that they may in the future. Currently I am fighting for NOT EXPIRING EVER!


Unless you have some empirical data to back this, you just come off as a salesman pitching that YOUR product is superior to your competitors.

You're really not making a good case for why there should be a Frequent Parker section, you're mainly just pitching us why your program is better.

Instead of bashing your competitors you should have come here to talk about how the forum needs a section for talking about Frequent Parker programs, but alas you're clearly promoting only ONE Frequent Parker Program.



Answer 1: Yes, I am. I would rather not refer to competitors though. I do know how their programs work and they are shady in some cases. I can PM you with the info I have on the other programs :)


Er what, you said earlier that it's not just about your program.

I'm not a moderator, heck I'm not even close to being a voice of authority when it comes to the travel forums, but at the end of the day each of your posts just reek of a company plugging for business.

Don't try to thinly veil your motives behind the idea of helping customers save money and then later say you don't want to send people to your "competitors" even though they might save money that way.

If you're REALLY posting this on your own time and not as a company plug and even if it's being posted on company time you should have no problem talking about your competitors and letting THEIR product stand or fall on it's own.

If your company really is better than others then you don't need to attack THEIR product in order to make yours look better.

Sales 101: Customers know when you're being insincere.

You have clearly made up your mind on my intentions. Unfortunate.

Sometimes... someone... just wants to "do right" and help people in some small way (few bucks, few free days, etc) THATS ME!

Quite simply - if ANYONE needs JFK parking and wants free days - I am the go to guy. Thats all, nothing more. Being offended by having a "inside connection" for lack of a better term is something I cannot control.

EVERYONE has the choice to go to another facility.

If there is any way that I can earn your trust I am open to suggestions?

Sincerely - HAVE A GREAT DAY! I WILL :)

Oz (that guy)






Citation needed, but really this entire thread just screams promoting your company.





Sure, you say this isn't just about promoting SmartPark JFK, and that you want to help REDUCE travelers costs. I'll remember this.




Sure as heck smells like business to me, given that you're working with predetermined "discounts" you're "authorized" to give us.




Unless you have some empirical data to back this, you just come off as a salesman pitching that YOUR product is superior to your competitors.

You're really not making a good case for why there should be a Frequent Parker section, you're mainly just pitching us why your program is better.

Instead of bashing your competitors you should have come here to talk about how the forum needs a section for talking about Frequent Parker programs, but alas you're clearly promoting only ONE Frequent Parker Program.



Er what, you said earlier that it's not just about your program.

I'm not a moderator, heck I'm not even close to being a voice of authority when it comes to the travel forums, but at the end of the day each of your posts just reek of a company plugging for business.

Don't try to thinly veil your motives behind the idea of helping customers save money and then later say you don't want to send people to your "competitors" even though they might save money that way.

If you're REALLY posting this on your own time and not as a company plug and even if it's being posted on company time you should have no problem talking about your competitors and letting THEIR product stand or fall on it's own.

If your company really is better than others then you don't need to attack THEIR product in order to make yours look better.

Sales 101: Customers know when you're being insincere.

You have clearly made up your mind on my intentions. Unfortunate.

Unfortunate also that you ignored JDiver's post HERE (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/19128011-post7.html) which asked for some specific information to gauge the level of interest of your proposed forum. Either you missed it or chose not to answer, but either way it would go a LONG way toward you making a case for the forum. As of now, I would agree with previous comments that you've done little more than advertise your product, which does not constitute creating a forum by itself.

If there is any way that I can earn your trust I am open to suggestions?

Well, I guess for starters you should make your services known in the New York forum since that's where your business is located. Posting in the Talkboard forum about parking deals at JFK doesn't do anything if we're not close to JFK! @:-) And yes, I know you've posted once in there, but surely there must be other people longing for parking information, or else you wouldn't have suggested a forum, right?

One other thing to consider, in addition to the questions in the post I linked to above, might be to delineate exactly how putting nationwide/worldwide parking information in one forum might be better than putting it in area-specific forums. Are there any nationwide (or at least multi-airport) frequent parking programs?

Are there any nationwide (or at least multi-airport) frequent parking programs?

The Parking Spot comes to mind, but it's hard for me to fathom any traveller who would use airport parking in locations other than where they live with any great regularity (I did this once when it was cheaper to park my rental car overnight than to book two seperate rentals, but it was an exceptional circumstance).

I think parking threads are best served in the regional forums and not a consolidated one for all of the US, let alone other countries.

I think parking threads are best served in the regional forums and not a consolidated one for all of the US, let alone other countries.

I agree. We frequently discuss SFO parking options in the San Francisco forum. No need to move that discussion out of there into some specialized parking forum.

Sometimes... someone... just wants to "do right" and help people in some small way (few bucks, few free days, etc) THATS ME!

That option is currently available to you in the New York City forum. You can help every poster that asks about parking at JFK right there.

I think parking threads are best served in the regional forums and not a consolidated one for all of the US, let alone other countries.I agree. We frequently discuss SFO parking options in the San Francisco forum. No need to move that discussion out of there into some specialized parking forum.And I agree as well on both points

Why does Park'N Fly not have its own forum??
They are nationwide and the largest in their industry??

Why does Park'N Fly not have its own forum??

Well, for one, because no one has ever asked for a Park N Fly forum, let alone provide justification (list of existing threads on that topic) to show that one is merited. Should certain vendors be allowed to have their own forums? Don't think the Talk Board has ruled on that one yet.

Should certain vendors be allowed to have their own forums? Don't think the Talk Board has ruled on that one yet.

How would an Park N Fly forum differ from a Avis forum, a United forum, a Hilton forum, etc.? Those all seem to be dedicated to one company.

I track two Parking programs in my AwardWallet account, and have had to guess on how/if/what regarding redemption in the past. So being raised by a company rep doesn't automatically brand it as a horrible scam that at least one person thinks it is.

How 'bout this:

I, as a FT member and user of frequent parker programs, with absolutely no business affiliation with any parking company, propose the creation of frequent parking program-related forum(s).

How would an Park N Fly forum differ from a Avis forum, a United forum, a Hilton forum, etc.? Those all seem to be dedicated to one company.

I think the big difference for me is that for many airlines, hotels, and even rental cars, you accumulate miles/points/etc by either consuming the actual airline/hotel/rental product or by some other means (an associated credit card, shopping through a portal, partner offers, etc). You are also able to spend those miles/points/etc either on future travel plans or sometimes other products.

It looks like the two frequent parking companies that have now been mentioned in this thread seem to have one way to earn rewards (by using their parking lot frequently), and one way to spend such rewards (free/discounted/more convenient parking). Neither has a credit card associated with it, and neither allows you to redeem your "rewards" for anything that I could find other than parking-related services.

There doesn't seem to be quite the level of complication with frequent parking companies that there does with the frequent flyer/stayer/renter programs, and trust me, I wish that all programs were as simple as the parking companies seem to make it! ^ But because it is so simple, it just doesn't seem to me to warrant a complete forum for it, especially since, as mentioned before, there probably aren't a lot of people that would frequently use parking services at more than one airport.

I, as a FT member and user of frequent parker programs, with absolutely no business affiliation with any parking company, propose the creation of frequent parking program-related forum(s).

Perhaps you could answer the questions in JDiver's post (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/19128011-post7.html), which might give the Talkboard a better chance at understanding the need for such a forum.

How would an Park N Fly forum differ from a Avis forum, a United forum, a Hilton forum, etc.? Those all seem to be dedicated to one company.

How 'bout this:

I, as a FT member and user of frequent parker programs, with absolutely no business affiliation with any parking company, propose the creation of frequent parking program-related forum(s).

I actually had the same thought. If one exists for other corps like Hilton etc, then perhaps a case could be made for a frequent parker program.

Having said that, I think for the most part the need is met already in regional forums. So it will take some convincing to get me to vote for one.

Having said that, if you'd like TB to consider such a forum, then I would recommend either the OP or CPRich answering the following, which helps Talkboard when considering new forums.

The following are qualitative criteria that the TalkBoard believes are useful to consider when evaluating proposals to create, close, split, or move forums. Whenever a forum change is discussed on the TalkBoard Topics, the TalkBoard encourages posters to fully address these criteria in addition to any other reasons supporting or opposing the change.

1. Will the forum be (or is it now) beneficial to FlyerTalk?

2. Will the new forum benefit a relationship with FlyerTalk? E.g., does the forum provide value for FT members, such as a friendly ear highly placed in the company

3. Is FT the best place to discuss this subject?

4. Is there a passionate following? This is essential in order to provide dedicated expert helpers to get questions answered.

5. Is a critical mass of posts and readers anticipated or existing? We need adequate traffic to keep everyone visiting frequently. One living forum is more valuable than two mostly dead ones.

6. Is this the best place on FlyerTalk for this subject? This is the classification issue. The answer depends primarily on achieving and maintaining critical mass. It also depends on whether or where the discussion might (or does) occur in the absence of the forum.

7. For proposals to split a forum, is the split expected to improve the signal to noise ratio? Why?



Cheers.

How would an Park N Fly forum differ from a Avis forum, a United forum, a Hilton forum, etc.? Those all seem to be dedicated to one company.

I see your point but every forum you've listed falls within a master forum topic (i.e. hotels, airlines, rental cars). We do not have a "Parking" master forum topic to drop Park N Fly into. Without that, you would end up creating a vendor forum just for one single vendor and that would be something new here. You could end up with Airlines, Hotels, and Park N Fly. If that's what the Talk Board votes for, I'd be fine with it, but it would be something new here.

Are that that many national parking chains to give them a forum of their own? We have some independent ones I can think of around SFO (Burlingame Airport Parking, Anza, Park SFO). What would you do with them?

Unfortunate also that you ignored JDiver's post HERE (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/19128011-post7.html) which asked for some specific information to gauge the level of interest of your proposed forum. Either you missed it or chose not to answer, but either way it would go a LONG way toward you making a case for the forum. As of now, I would agree with previous comments that you've done little more than advertise your product, which does not constitute creating a forum by itself.



I assure you Sir I did not ignore it. I did miss it.

At this point, I see the posts and that a forum is not something that is desired and I am ok with that. :)

If anyone needs anything JFK parking related just let me know - simple!



That option is currently available to you in the New York City forum. You can help every poster that asks about parking at JFK right there.

I thank you and will do as you suggested. Appreciate it!

I would certainly support the formation of the suggested forum in question.

There are a number of airport parking facilities — some of them national in the United States — which offer loyalty programs.

I would certainly support the formation of the suggested forum in question.

How do the Talk Board members feel, though? This topic has been out there for two months and only one member has commented and offered suggestions.

How do the Talk Board members feel, though? This topic has been out there for two months and only one member has commented and offered suggestions.

I guess you haven't heard? ;)

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/1397071-tb-2012-elections.html

I guess you haven't heard? ;)

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/1397071-tb-2012-elections.html

FWIW & speaking only for myself, I seriously doubt whether TB elections has anything to do w/ this suggestion for a forum, which was brought up a couple of months ago; long before the upcoming election. :rolleyes:

I haven't seen a case made for a stand-alone forum, and my take is most parking programs are handled well in the regional forums. My guess (and it's only that) is that other TB members feel the same.

Cheers.

There are several parking companies with locations throughout the United States that offer frequent parking loyalty programs, such as:

PreFlight Airport Parking (https://www.preflightairportparking.com/) with nine locations
theParkingSpot (http://www.theparkingspot.com/index.aspx) with 21 locations
Park ’n Fly (http://www.pnf.com/index/) with 61 locations
Global Airport Parking (http://globalairportparking.com/) with 102 locations plus eight cruise port locations

Plus, there are discount parking services worldwide, such as:

AirportParking.com (http://www.airportparking.com/) with greater than 100 locations worldwide
AirportParkingReservations.com (http://www.airportparkingreservations.com/)
CheapAirportParking (http://www.cheapairportparking.org/) with 21 locations

There may be more companies which I am missing, including internationally — but how would I know unless there was a forum dedicated to this topic?

Confining this topic to regional forums is a disservice, in my opinion. Which of these companies offer free shuttle service? Which has the best frequent parking loyalty program? Which has the best discount coupons? Which offers water or soft drinks upon check-out? Which gives away newspapers? Which gives you bonus airline miles? Which offers pet-sitting services, car wash and detailing services, or discounts with partners? I have to go through each regional forum to find this information out?

Plus, there are many FlyerTalk members who use more than one base airport to park their vehicles — perhaps for work, because they own more than one home, or for the purposes of positioning for a “mileage run” or sale airfare not available at the closest airport to where they are based.

For these and other reasons, I support the creation of a forum for frequent parking loyalty programs and airport parking discounts and services.

How do the Talk Board members feel, though? This topic has been out there for two months and only one member has commented and offered suggestions.I guess you haven't heard? ;)

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkboard-topics/1397071-tb-2012-elections.html

FWIW & speaking only for myself, I seriously doubt whether TB elections has anything to do w/ this suggestion for a forum, which was brought up a couple of months ago; long before the upcoming election. :rolleyes:
I believe you misunderstood and missed my point. I was replying to tom911's question about missing input from 8 other current TBers.

I simply pointed out a timeline. What I meant or implied was that a new TB election is coming up next month and we don't know if every current TBer will be serving again in the new term starting December 2012. It probably wouldn't mean much if we heard from those TBers who wouldn't be on the next term. No need to show your rolleyes on my matter-of-fact statement.

Two and half months ago, this thread was nothing but a (misplaced) thread for OP to self-promote his own parking service/program in JFK. However, things have changed when Canarsie put some great thought and made a much better case for creating a frequent parking loyalty programs forum on FT.

IMHO, giving this new "twist", if there's any new "development" of a proposal, or a remotely possible motion, it probably would make sense to have it happen till all the new TBers are in office. YMMV.

For these and other reasons, I support the creation of a forum for frequent parking loyalty programs and airport parking discounts and services.I don't question that there are national parking programs out there (or even programs that might span more than one region.) The question really concerns whether there would be much discourse around those programs and parking in general.

I'm personally not averse to some forums being more for informational purposes rather than having a lot of posting traffic, but I think most prefer to have forums with some minimum level of posting "traffic" whatever that is. And I think that might be the sticking point with this being a forum.

I agree. We frequently discuss SFO parking options in the San Francisco forum. No need to move that discussion out of there into some specialized parking forum.

Correct. This is a local topic. There's also an OAK parking thread in the Southwest forum (in addition to the SF forum), since Southwest dominates that airport.

My experience with Frequent Parker programs is colored by a zero-notice devaluation by Parking Company of America. I filled three of their punch cards, each of which says it's good for 10 days of free parking. No longer. I could send them in and get banked points worth much less. Fortunately BART now goes to SFO.

Frequent parker programs would not have sufficient interest even if they could be counted on. You can discuss them in SPAM if you like, along with the topics like the defunct Subway punch cards for a free sandwich.

I don't question that there are national parking programs out there (or even programs that might span more than one region.) The question really concerns whether there would be much discourse around those programs and parking in general.

I'm personally not averse to some forums being more for informational purposes rather than having a lot of posting traffic, but I think most prefer to have forums with some minimum level of posting "traffic" whatever that is. And I think that might be the sticking point with this being a forum.You may be correct — although there are currently at least 490 discussions about parking throughout FlyerTalk, with a minimum of 153 discussions about parking in the TravelBuzz! forum alone and at least 11 more discussions in the S.P.A.M. forum.

However, I am having an issue with one frequent parking program of which I am a member, and for comparison purposes, I would like to discuss it but am loathe to post it in a regional forum, the TravelBuzz! forum or the S.P.A.M. forum because none of those forums really fit the topic, in my opinion — so I did not post the issue.

If there was a dedicated forum for frequent parking programs and parking programs which offer discounts, that would be the proper forum — again, just expressing my opinion.

However, I am having an issue with one frequent parking program of which I am a member, and for comparison purposes, I would like to discuss it but am loathe to post it in a regional forum, the TravelBuzz! forum or the S.P.A.M. forum because none of those forums really fit the topic, in my opinion — so I did not post the issue.

If there was a dedicated forum for frequent parking programs and parking programs which offer discounts, that would be the proper forum — again, just expressing my opinion.

Why doesn't SPAM fit? That's where ebates and all sorts of minor rebate programs go.

Why doesn't SPAM fit? That's where ebates and all sorts of minor rebate programs go.My reason is the same as for frequent travel loyalty programs of airlines, hotels and rental cars...

...because parking at an airport is part of travel — speaking for myself, of course — and there are frequent parking loyalty programs which not only offer points, but some even offer bonus airline frequent flier miles. Miles and points has always been the core discussion and raison d’être of FlyerTalk.

Based on this line of reasoning, discussion dedicated to frequent parking loyalty programs deserves its own forum on FlyerTalk — but that is merely my conclusion.

The S.P.A.M. forum was initially created as Sites with Points and Alternative Miles for loyalty programs other than for travel purposes. MyPoints is one example.

I believe that frequent parking loyalty programs deserve a forum on FlyerTalk every bit as much as for frequent travel programs for airlines, hotels and rental cars.

I believe you misunderstood and missed my point. I was replying to tom911's question about missing input from 8 other current TBers.

I simply pointed out a timeline. What I meant or implied was that a new TB election is coming up next month and we don't know if every current TBer will be serving again in the new term starting December 2012. It probably wouldn't mean much if we heard from those TBers who wouldn't be on the next term. No need to show your rolleyes on my matter-of-fact statement.

Two and half months ago, this thread was nothing but a (misplaced) thread for OP to self-promote his own parking service/program in JFK. However, things have changed when Canarsie put some great thought and made a much better case for creating a frequent parking loyalty programs forum on FT.

IMHO, giving this new "twist", if there's any new "development" of a proposal, or a remotely possible motion, it probably would make sense to have it happen till all the new TBers are in office. YMMV.

Until canarsie provided some information recently on nat'ls, my take was that the proposed forum is already handled by existing regional forums and/or not enough justification for a stand-alone forum. While I can't speak for other TB members, my guess is that they felt the same hence not a lot of responses on the 2-month thread.

I don't believe in lame duck TBs. We are a current active TB until the elections are over & the new TB is installed.

I don't have a problem with motions being voted on during the election process as long as votes are done before the new team comes in; no cross-over. We have a new TB every year, & there are always current members on as well as new members. Short of the (very very short) cross-over period when new members come on/current one departs, I think our focus should be on the issues/what needs to be voted on, and not get tied up in how close or far away it is from an election.

I don't know if this will be made into a motion at all, although canarsie has provided some reasoning why it should be considered. If the motion is done so that the vote ends before the short cross-over, that's fine. If further discussion delays a motion so that it ties into the cross-over, then we'd probably wait.

Cheers.

I don't know if this will be made into a motion at all, although canarsie has provided some reasoning why it should be considered. If the motion is done so that the vote ends before the short cross-over, that's fine. If further discussion delays a motion so that it ties into the cross-over, then we'd probably wait.What can I do to help members of the TalkBoard consider creating a motion pertaining to this discussion?

What can I do to help members of the TalkBoard consider creating a motion pertaining to this discussion?

Will get back to you on that ;), but I am going to bring up the topic for discussion in the private forum.

Cheers.

What can I do to help members of the TalkBoard consider creating a motion pertaining to this discussion?I do believe they like to see the following questions answered:

The following are qualitative criteria that the TalkBoard believes are useful to consider when evaluating proposals to create, close, split, or move forums. Whenever a forum change is discussed on the TalkBoard Topics, the TalkBoard encourages posters to fully address these criteria in addition to any other reasons supporting or opposing the change.

1. Will the forum be (or is it now) beneficial to FlyerTalk? Given there are a number of existing threads spread throughout various FT forums, there does seem to be both an interest in this topic and at least some desire to discuss it. Canarsie has stated within this specifc thread that there are at least "490 discussions about parking throughout FlyerTalk, with a minimum of 153 discussions about parking in the TravelBuzz! forum alone and at least 11 more discussions in the S.P.A.M. forum".

2. Will the new forum benefit a relationship with FlyerTalk? E.g., does the forum provide value for FT members, such as a friendly ear highly placed in the company? Given there are quite a few existing threads already within FT, it looks like there is already a perceived benefit.

3. Is FT the best place to discuss this subject? To quote Canarsie again "...because parking at an airport is part of travel — speaking for myself, of course — and there are frequent parking loyalty programs which not only offer points, but some even offer bonus airline frequent flier miles. Miles and points has always been the core discussion and raison d’être of FlyerTalk.

Based on this line of reasoning, discussion dedicated to frequent parking loyalty programs deserves its own forum on FlyerTalk — but that is merely my conclusion."

Where would there be a better place to discuss this topic?


4. Is there a passionate following? This is essential in order to provide dedicated expert helpers to get questions answered. I"m not an expert on who is passionate or not, I would say that 490 existing threads shows at least some "base" of interest in this topic. And given travel points/miles is core to FT's mission, this would seem a very good fit.


5. Is a critical mass of posts and readers anticipated or existing? We need adequate traffic to keep everyone visiting frequently. One living forum is more valuable than two mostly dead ones. While the aforementioned 490 threads may be spread over more than a decade of posting, it does show a potential "base" of posting traffic.

6. Is this the best place on FlyerTalk for this subject? This is the classification issue. The answer depends primarily on achieving and maintaining critical mass. It also depends on whether or where the discussion might (or does) occur in the absence of the forum. As stated above, this pertains to travel points/miles and thus should be considered core to FT's mission. It might be worth looking at the dates around those 490 threads to see when they occured, how much discussion went on, and possibly to see if there has been an increase in discussions over the last few years, versus 10 years ago. That might show an increasing desire and posting base for this topic.

7. For proposals to split a forum, is the split expected to improve the signal to noise ratio? Why? While this proposal doesn't really suggest a forum split, it does suggest a topic "consolidation". The fact that there are probably discussions about Freq. Parking programs spread throughout various geographic forums, TravelBuzz!, S.P.A.M., and probably MilesBuzz! as well, can make it very difficult to find all discussions around the various Frequent Parking programs. One would have to search through all those forums to find the information. Having it in one place provides a single location for all that information, thus making searches much easier and more likely to successfully find it.

As I stated earlier, I'm not necessarily for or against this, but I think there is at least some potential merrit to a Freq. Parking forum. And thus it is definitely worth discussing.

What will happen to the parking discussions in regional forums? Are all of these, even though many contain discussion about parking lots that have no alliance and operate independently, going to be moved to the new parking forum? Or is this new forum only for those that have nationwide programs with benefits? What happens when the thread contains discussion of multiple parking lots at the same airport, both independent and nationally affiliated. Where does it go?

What happens when the thread contains discussion of multiple parking lots at the same airport, both independent and nationally affiliated. Where does it go?I would think it would be treated like all other forums are today. If the topic moves away from the Freq. Stay program and more to a specific airport parking discussion it would be moved to the appropriate regional forum. Just like today if a topic in the AA forum ends up being specific to the DFW airport, it will get moved to the Texas forum. And just like today in all the existing forums, if a topic moves to a specific program, it would be moved out of the region's forum and into the appropriate mile/points program.

The S.P.A.M. forum was initially created as Sites with Points and Alternative Miles for loyalty programs other than for travel purposes. MyPoints is one example.

I believe that frequent parking loyalty programs deserve a forum on FlyerTalk every bit as much as for frequent travel programs for airlines, hotels and rental cars.

That reason makes sense. Still, MyPoints has to be much more popular than the largest frequent parking program.

Also, restaurants are related to travel and their programs don't have their own forum home.

Maybe we should expand the official charter of S.P.A.M.?

I do believe they like to see the following questions answered:

The following are qualitative criteria that the TalkBoard believes are useful to consider when evaluating proposals to create, close, split, or move forums. Whenever a forum change is discussed on the TalkBoard Topics, the TalkBoard encourages posters to fully address these criteria in addition to any other reasons supporting or opposing the change.

1. Will the forum be (or is it now) beneficial to FlyerTalk? Given there are a number of existing threads spread throughout various FT forums, there does seem to be both an interest in this topic and at least some desire to discuss it. Canarsie has stated within this specifc thread that there are at least "490 discussions about parking throughout FlyerTalk, with a minimum of 153 discussions about parking in the TravelBuzz! forum alone and at least 11 more discussions in the S.P.A.M. forum".

2. Will the new forum benefit a relationship with FlyerTalk? E.g., does the forum provide value for FT members, such as a friendly ear highly placed in the company? Given there are quite a few existing threads already within FT, it looks like there is already a perceived benefit.

3. Is FT the best place to discuss this subject? To quote Canarsie again "...because parking at an airport is part of travel — speaking for myself, of course — and there are frequent parking loyalty programs which not only offer points, but some even offer bonus airline frequent flier miles. Miles and points has always been the core discussion and raison d’être of FlyerTalk.

Based on this line of reasoning, discussion dedicated to frequent parking loyalty programs deserves its own forum on FlyerTalk — but that is merely my conclusion."

Where would there be a better place to discuss this topic?


4. Is there a passionate following? This is essential in order to provide dedicated expert helpers to get questions answered. I"m not an expert on who is passionate or not, I would say that 490 existing threads shows at least some "base" of interest in this topic. And given travel points/miles is core to FT's mission, this would seem a very good fit.


5. Is a critical mass of posts and readers anticipated or existing? We need adequate traffic to keep everyone visiting frequently. One living forum is more valuable than two mostly dead ones. While the aforementioned 490 threads may be spread over more than a decade of posting, it does show a potential "base" of posting traffic.

6. Is this the best place on FlyerTalk for this subject? This is the classification issue. The answer depends primarily on achieving and maintaining critical mass. It also depends on whether or where the discussion might (or does) occur in the absence of the forum. As stated above, this pertains to travel points/miles and thus should be considered core to FT's mission. It might be worth looking at the dates around those 490 threads to see when they occured, how much discussion went on, and possibly to see if there has been an increase in discussions over the last few years, versus 10 years ago. That might show an increasing desire and posting base for this topic.

7. For proposals to split a forum, is the split expected to improve the signal to noise ratio? Why? While this proposal doesn't really suggest a forum split, it does suggest a topic "consolidation". The fact that there are probably discussions about Freq. Parking programs spread throughout various geographic forums, TravelBuzz!, S.P.A.M., and probably MilesBuzz! as well, can make it very difficult to find all discussions around the various Frequent Parking programs. One would have to search through all those forums to find the information. Having it in one place provides a single location for all that information, thus making searches much easier and more likely to successfully find it.

As I stated earlier, I'm not necessarily for or against this, but I think there is at least some potential merrit to a Freq. Parking forum. And thus it is definitely worth discussing.

I'm sure canarsie appreciates you helping to flesh out his suggestion. :) And it does help TB members (or at least me!) when considering suggestions for new forums.

I would think it would be treated like all other forums are today. If the topic moves away from the Freq. Stay program and more to a specific airport parking discussion it would be moved to the appropriate regional forum. Just like today if a topic in the AA forum ends up being specific to the DFW airport, it will get moved to the Texas forum. And just like today in all the existing forums, if a topic moves to a specific program, it would be moved out of the region's forum and into the appropriate mile/points program.

If a new forum is created, that's pretty much how I'd imagine/envision it.


That reason makes sense. Still, MyPoints has to be much more popular than the largest frequent parking program.

Also, restaurants are related to travel and their programs don't have their own forum home.

Maybe we should expand the official charter of S.P.A.M.?

Although not 100% sold, I'm starting to lean more towards the creation of the forum. FWIW - when I think of loyalty parking programs, I don't think of going to S.P.A.M., but as has been done to date would check TravelBuzz, regional forums, etc, if the forum didn't exist.

Cheers.

What can I do to help members of the TalkBoard consider creating a motion pertaining to this discussion?

I have no technical objection to a motion being crafted and put forward before the elections. However, although I respect Canarsie very much and hold his opinion in high regard, I am not convinced that the forum would be a success and would instead be filled mostly with the sound of crickets.

In the rare event I need to search for discussion of airport parking lots, the destination forums prove both sufficient and a logical home, and I believe moving those discussions out of the destination forums is a bad move.

For broader discussion, modifying the charter of the S.P.A.M. forum as was suggested earlier is the likely best option to pursue. While parking is indeed a travel-related subject, I don't believe the potential volume is nearly enough to warrant a dedicated spot.

If it is brought to a motion and seconded, I will likely cast a "no" vote at this time.

For broader discussion, modifying the charter of the S.P.A.M. forum as was suggested earlier is the likely best option to pursue. While parking is indeed a travel-related subject, I don't believe the potential volume is nearly enough to warrant a dedicated spot.

^ I think this is a great idea and would certainly provide a gauge for exactly how much traffic a dedicated forum might garner. If parking program (not location-specific parking) discussion takes over SPAM, I think that would be the appropriate time to create a separate forum.

^ I think this is a great idea and would certainly provide a gauge for exactly how much traffic a dedicated forum might garner. If parking program (not location-specific parking) discussion takes over SPAM, I think that would be the appropriate time to create a separate forum.

Maybe it's time to rename S.P.A.M. (which is, let's face it, a goofy name) to "Odds and Ends: Small programs, deals, and freebies"

Maybe it's time to rename S.P.A.M. (which is, let's face it, a goofy name) to "Odds and Ends: Small programs, deals, and freebies"

IIRC, there was a pretty heated discussion a few years back re: what should/shouldn't be in SPAM, so I imagine that expanding the scope will take a bit of research & input & goes beyond just folding parking into it.

Re: the subject of this thread, perhaps canarsie can provide further input on why he doesn't think SPAM or regionals fit & a stand-alone forum would better meet FTers needs. I think he made some good points & also think how hhoope01 mentioned the regionals would be handled solves that part. I'm not 100% convinced we need a stand-alone forum, but I'm leaning more towards it than jackal and nsx are to date.

Cheers.

Maybe it's time to rename S.P.A.M. (which is, let's face it, a goofy name) to "Odds and Ends: Small programs, deals, and freebies"

This is not a terrible idea.