All Nippon Airways Mileage Club - YQ / fuel surcharge on partner / UA / US redemptions

I searched the forum and couldn't find anything.
Does anyone know the amount of fuel surcharges on VS, QR, EY, 9W, and MH on tickets they have booked?

The amount depends on your routing. What route are you interested in? NH generally charges all taxes and fuel surcharges on a redemption as is levied on a paid ticket, so if you do a search on ITA the amount displayed will be approximately what you can expect to pay on a redemption.

Is it safe to say that a business ANA award *A partner like JFK - GVA - IST - NRT - BKK - SYD - AKL - MEL - LAX - JFK would incur fuel surcharges > $1k per ticket? This assumes not flying any US carriers.

Is it safe to say that a business ANA award *A partner like JFK - GVA - IST - NRT - BKK - SYD - AKL - MEL - LAX - JFK would incur fuel surcharges > $1k per ticket? This assumes not flying any US carriers.

I don't have enough miles to test book this, but I think taxes/surcharges of around USD1,000+ would be realistic, depending on the carriers you fly. (I assume you would have to fly UA on the LAX-JFK segment, BTW.)

The amount depends on your routing. What route are you interested in? NH generally charges all taxes and fuel surcharges on a redemption as is levied on a paid ticket, so if you do a search on ITA the amount displayed will be approximately what you can expect to pay on a redemption.

I thought EY and QR don't have fuel surcharges. I know *A do, so other partners do? You've booked tickets on them before?

I thought EY and QR don't have fuel surcharges. I know *A do, so other partners do? You've booked tickets on them before?

I've never booked them before, but I've heard that they both charge YQ on routes to and from Japan. I'm not sure about other routes.

These YQ are brutal. And it looks like some is charged even for US Airlines. As a test I priced out:

CLTus- JFKlx - GVAlh - MUClh - CDGus - CLT in Business and taxes/fees were $1150 a ticket!!!!!

CLTus - EWRua - GVAlh - MUClh - CDGus - CLT in Business was $770 a ticket!

What a rip-off!

I have been searching for a US to Europe Business Class Award. I have noticed, ANA applies the YQ fuel surcharge to its award tickets. However, US Airways has no YQ, on neither its revenue tickets nor award tickets.

When making a dummy booking PHL - FRA return on ANA, if I include both legs LH the YQ of $400 each way is included for a total of $800. If I make both legs US Airways, the site can't calculate the taxes/fees. If I make 1 leg LH and the return US, or vice-versa, The YQ comes up as $400 and then another $400 in the "other taxes" section. I think this is where they are trying to apply $400 in taxes for the US Airways leg, although US Airways doesn't charge this.

To me this appears to be a glitch, and one in which ANA is overcharging each passenger that flies a US leg if they are collecting on it when US doesn't charge them it to begin with (for a supposedly "free ticket").

Your thoughts?

I have been searching for a US to Europe Business Class Award. I have noticed, ANA applies the YQ fuel surcharge to its award tickets. However, US Airways has no YQ, on neither its revenue tickets nor award tickets.

When making a dummy booking PHL - FRA return on ANA, if I include both legs LH the YQ of $400 each way is included for a total of $800. If I make both legs US Airways, the site can't calculate the taxes/fees. If I make 1 leg LH and the return US, or vice-versa, The YQ comes up as $400 and then another $400 in the "other taxes" section. I think this is where they are trying to apply $400 in taxes for the US Airways leg, although US Airways doesn't charge this.

To me this appears to be a glitch, and one in which ANA is overcharging each passenger that flies a US leg if they are collecting on it when US doesn't charge them it to begin with (for a supposedly "free ticket").

Your thoughts?
That`s the way JAL and ANA operate. If you don`t like it then go redeem miles with a us based carrier to avoid or reduce YQ would be all i can suggest.

US doesn't have YQ fuel surcharge but they do have Q fuel surcharge . Unfortunately NH is one of the few airlines (SQ/KE...) that charges both YQ and Q on their award tickets .

Same thing on United Flights also. ANA charges YQ on United flights even though United does not charge it

Although I feel your pain, ANA is up front about charging taxes and other surcharges as levied on the equivalent paid ticket. I would obviously rather they follow the trend set by UA and not pass these fees on, but the global standard is unfortunately on NH's side and not UA's.

As for your example with US, beofotch, a dummy search on ITA does not reveal YQ or any other fee approaching USD400. However, in the fare rules is the following note:

ORIGINATING THE UNITED STATES OUTBOUND -
A SURCHARGE OF USD 403.00 FARE COMPONENT WILL BE ADDED
TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR TRAVEL FOR TRANSATLANTIC
SECTORS.
NOTE -
THIS SURCHARGE IS GOVERNED BY GENERAL RULE 10 AND
IS ASSESSED FOR ANY FARE-PAYING PASSENGER EACH
TIME TRAVEL INVOLVES AN ENPLANEMENT ON A US
TRANSATLANTIC FLIGHT TO/FROM/VIA U.S.A./CANADA.
-EXCEPTION- THIS SURCHARGE DOES NOT APPLY TO
PASSENGERS TRAVELING ON ANY US FREE TICKET.
1. THE SURCHARGE SHALL BE CONVERTED TO THE
APPLICABLE CURRENCY FOR THE COUNTRY OF
COMMENCEMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IN ACCORDANCE
WITH THE APPROPRIATE IATA RATE OF EXCHANGE.
2. THE SURCHARGE APPLIES IN ADDITION TO ALL OTHER
CHARGES AND IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY DISCOUNT.
ORIGINATING THE UNITED STATES INBOUND -
A SURCHARGE OF USD 403.00 FARE COMPONENT WILL BE ADDED
TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR TRAVEL FOR TRANSATLANTIC
SECTORS.
NOTE -
THIS SURCHARGE IS GOVERNED BY GENERAL RULE 10 AND
IS ASSESSED FOR ANY FARE-PAYING PASSENGER EACH
TIME TRAVEL INVOLVES AN ENPLANEMENT ON A US
TRANSATLANTIC FLIGHT TO/FROM/VIA U.S.A./CANADA.
-EXCEPTION- THIS SURCHARGE DOES NOT APPLY TO
PASSENGERS TRAVELING ON ANY US FREE TICKET.
1. THE SURCHARGE SHALL BE CONVERTED TO THE
APPLICABLE CURRENCY FOR THE COUNTRY OF
COMMENCEMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IN ACCORDANCE
WITH THE APPROPRIATE IATA RATE OF EXCHANGE.
2. THE SURCHARGE APPLIES IN ADDITION TO ALL OTHER
CHARGES AND IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY DISCOUNT.

Translated, this means that US does not levy this USD403 fee on its own award tickets, but does on its paid tickets. Also, any partner that passes on fees on award tickets will also charge this USD403 fee. It's a bit underhanded to put it in the fare rules like this, but it is not a glitch. (Edit: Apparently NH redemption system charges this fee in error, as it is technically part of the fare (http://boardingarea.com/blogs/viewfromthewing/2012/08/15/dont-overpay-taxes-and-fees-when-booking-frequent-flyer-awards/).)

Same thing on United Flights also. ANA charges YQ on United flights even though United does not charge it

If you mean UA doesn't charge YQ when redeeming miles with their own FFP (Mileage Plus), then yes -- but UA does indeed charge YQ on paid flights, which NH passes on when redeeming miles with AMC.

That`s the way JAL and ANA operate. If you don`t like it then go redeem miles with a us based carrier to avoid or reduce YQ would be all i can suggest.

That is incorrect. JAL does not charge extra YQ on partner redemption. Notice it's only ~USD52 on tax and surcharge when redeeming on AA metal using JMB miles

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Same thing on United Flights also. ANA charges YQ on United flights even though United does not charge it

UA now includes a YQ component of the fare breakdown of its transatlantic flights. However, US Airways does not.

Another data point that something glitchy is going on:

Search originating in the USA:
PHL-FRA
FRA-PHL

On any combination of LH or US you get taxes and fees of $980

However, search originating in Europe:
FRA-PHL
PHL-FRA

On any combination of LH or US you get taxes and fees of $440. This to me seems more reasonable. Why are they charging more originating in the US than in Europe? This is sort of like Delta's infamous "International Origination Surcharge".

Another data point that something glitchy is going on:

Search originating in the USA:
PHL-FRA
FRA-PHL

On any combination of LH or US you get taxes and fees of $980

However, search originating in Europe:
FRA-PHL
PHL-FRA

On any combination of LH or US you get taxes and fees of $440. This to me seems more reasonable. Why are they charging more originating in the US than in Europe? This is sort of like Delta's infamous "International Origination Surcharge".

When I checked this on LH's booking engine I got roughly the same amounts (P class ex-US, Z class ex-EU), so this is not an issue on NH's part.

Edit: apparently, someone booking an itinerary very much like beofotch's contacted NH for an explanation (http://boardingarea.com/blogs/viewfromthewing/2012/08/15/dont-overpay-taxes-and-fees-when-booking-frequent-flyer-awards/), and was told that the fees quoted above were in error. I assume that NH's system was interpreting the fare rules as I did above (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/19114760-post12.html), when in fact they should not be adding the additional USD403 fee to that itinerary, nor to any other US reservation. I had assumed the opposite based upon my experience booking with NH, but I'm glad that they are taking this particular stance on the matter. Good news from NH, but I hope they fix their system to account for this going forward.

Edit: apparently, someone booking an itinerary very much like beofotch's contacted NH for an explanation (http://boardingarea.com/blogs/viewfromthewing/2012/08/15/dont-overpay-taxes-and-fees-when-booking-frequent-flyer-awards/), and was told that the fees quoted above were in error. I assume that NH's system was interpreting the fare rules as I did above (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/19114760-post12.html), when in fact they should not be adding the additional USD403 fee to that itinerary, nor to any other US reservation. I had assumed the opposite based upon my experience booking with NH, but I'm glad that they are taking this particular stance on the matter. Good news from NH, but I hope they fix their system to account for this going forward.

Very interesting.

Although I feel your pain, ANA is up front about charging taxes and other surcharges as levied on the equivalent paid ticket. I would obviously rather they follow the trend set by UA and not pass these fees on, but the global standard is unfortunately on NH's side and not UA's.

As for your example with US, beofotch, a dummy search on ITA does not reveal YQ or any other fee approaching USD400. However, in the fare rules is the following note:

ORIGINATING THE UNITED STATES OUTBOUND -
A SURCHARGE OF USD 403.00 FARE COMPONENT WILL BE ADDED
TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR TRAVEL FOR TRANSATLANTIC
SECTORS.
NOTE -
THIS SURCHARGE IS GOVERNED BY GENERAL RULE 10 AND
IS ASSESSED FOR ANY FARE-PAYING PASSENGER EACH
TIME TRAVEL INVOLVES AN ENPLANEMENT ON A US
TRANSATLANTIC FLIGHT TO/FROM/VIA U.S.A./CANADA.
-EXCEPTION- THIS SURCHARGE DOES NOT APPLY TO
PASSENGERS TRAVELING ON ANY US FREE TICKET.
1. THE SURCHARGE SHALL BE CONVERTED TO THE
APPLICABLE CURRENCY FOR THE COUNTRY OF
COMMENCEMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IN ACCORDANCE
WITH THE APPROPRIATE IATA RATE OF EXCHANGE.
2. THE SURCHARGE APPLIES IN ADDITION TO ALL OTHER
CHARGES AND IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY DISCOUNT.
ORIGINATING THE UNITED STATES INBOUND -
A SURCHARGE OF USD 403.00 FARE COMPONENT WILL BE ADDED
TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR TRAVEL FOR TRANSATLANTIC
SECTORS.
NOTE -
THIS SURCHARGE IS GOVERNED BY GENERAL RULE 10 AND
IS ASSESSED FOR ANY FARE-PAYING PASSENGER EACH
TIME TRAVEL INVOLVES AN ENPLANEMENT ON A US
TRANSATLANTIC FLIGHT TO/FROM/VIA U.S.A./CANADA.
-EXCEPTION- THIS SURCHARGE DOES NOT APPLY TO
PASSENGERS TRAVELING ON ANY US FREE TICKET.
1. THE SURCHARGE SHALL BE CONVERTED TO THE
APPLICABLE CURRENCY FOR THE COUNTRY OF
COMMENCEMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IN ACCORDANCE
WITH THE APPROPRIATE IATA RATE OF EXCHANGE.
2. THE SURCHARGE APPLIES IN ADDITION TO ALL OTHER
CHARGES AND IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY DISCOUNT.

Translated, this means that US does not levy this USD403 fee on its own award tickets, but does on its paid tickets. Also, any partner that passes on fees on award tickets will also charge this USD403 fee. It's a bit underhanded to put it in the fare rules like this, but it is not a glitch. (Edit: Apparently NH redemption system charges this fee in error, as it is technically part of the fare (http://boardingarea.com/blogs/viewfromthewing/2012/08/15/dont-overpay-taxes-and-fees-when-booking-frequent-flyer-awards/).)



If you mean UA doesn't charge YQ when redeeming miles with their own FFP (Mileage Plus), then yes -- but UA does indeed charge YQ on paid flights, which NH passes on when redeeming miles with AMC.

Ok, then according to ITA EY does not have YQ.

Fare 1: Carrier EY ARTUS NYC to AUH (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code A
Covers JFK-AUH (First)
CA$10,363.24
Fare 2: Carrier EY FRTUS AUH to NYC (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code F
Covers AUH-JFK (First)
CA$12,073.99
US September 11th Security Fee (AY) $2.50
US Passenger Facility Charge (XF) $4.50
US International Departure Tax (US) $16.70
US International Arrival Tax (US) $16.70
United Arab Emirates Security and Safety Fee (TP) $1.40
United Arab Emirates Passenger Service Charge (AE) $20.40
US Customs Fee (YC) $5.50
US Immigration Fee (XY) $7.00
USDA APHIS Fee (XA) $5.00

Subtotal per passenger CA$22,516.83
Number of passengers x1

Total airfare & taxes CA$22,516.83

Can someone with enough NH miles call the desk and check?

For whatever its worth, recently did a redemption for 2 C-class awards (1-way) on NRT-SEA and it was around $750 for both, so over $350 in fees/surcharges per ticket. Ouch.

Redeemed via Air Canada Aeroplan. Wish I had seen that before xfering the miles from Amex!

For whatever its worth, recently did a redemption for 2 C-class awards (1-way) on NRT-SEA and it was around $750 for both, so over $350 in fees/surcharges per ticket. Ouch.

Redeemed via Air Canada Aeroplan. Wish I had seen that before xfering the miles from Amex!

Aeroplan charges YQ on ANA which is collected by Air Canada, but they won't admit it. A total scam - also applies to all *A except UA, US,TK and LX (for now I believe). You should have transfered AMEX to US or UA which do not charge the YQ I believe.
Stefan

Aeroplan charges YQ on ANA which is collected by Air Canada, but they won't admit it. A total scam - also applies to all *A except UA, US,TK and LX (for now I believe). You should have transfered AMEX to US or UA which do not charge the YQ I believe.
Stefan

Which of course you cannot do directly in the case of US or at all, practically, in the case of UA.

The only thing you could have done is transferred Amex:Aeroplan, then use points.com to transfer from Aeroplan:USAirways at a rate of 1:0.84 -- this actually makes an awful lot of sense for Asia awards because they don't charge YQ and US Air only wants 90K miles round trip from North America to Asia in Business, whereas Aeroplan wants 120K. So you can transfer 108K Amex to Aeroplan, then 108K Aeroplan to 90K US, and book without YQ. Save $350 + 12K miles.

I just checked:

CLT - PHL - MAD (all US metal)
BRU - JFK - CLT (SN and US metal)

ANA website booking engine reports $967.20 in fees, with $428 in airline fuel surcharge and 447 of "others", even outside of embarkation tax/customs fees/security fees.

When I look on ITA Matrix - BRU - JFK on SN should have EUR134 in YQ and the US legs have no YQ.

How the hell does ANA come up with the $875 in YQ + Others for something that should be about $180 (EUR134).

Even when I call they acknowledge the US airways problem, but the taxes fees still come to $550, $424 of which is YQ on BRU - JFK which should be EUR134.

I called and ANA came back with a YQ of $355 each way for NYC - AUH - NYC on EY. Where they got it from, I don't know.

Ok, then according to ITA EY does not have YQ.

Fare 1: Carrier EY ARTUS NYC to AUH (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code A
Covers JFK-AUH (First)
CA$10,363.24
Fare 2: Carrier EY FRTUS AUH to NYC (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code F
Covers AUH-JFK (First)
CA$12,073.99
US September 11th Security Fee (AY) $2.50
US Passenger Facility Charge (XF) $4.50
US International Departure Tax (US) $16.70
US International Arrival Tax (US) $16.70
United Arab Emirates Security and Safety Fee (TP) $1.40
United Arab Emirates Passenger Service Charge (AE) $20.40
US Customs Fee (YC) $5.50
US Immigration Fee (XY) $7.00
USDA APHIS Fee (XA) $5.00

Subtotal per passenger CA$22,516.83
Number of passengers x1

Total airfare & taxes CA$22,516.83

Can someone with enough NH miles call the desk and check?

I called and ANA came back with a YQ of $355 each way for NYC - AUH - NYC on EY. Where they got it from, I don't know.

Once again this is a case of ANA being more right than anyone else (as with their Star Alliance award availability tool) :) There is a fuel surcharge, but remember that not all fuel surcharges are itemized as taxes (YQ or YR in the XT section). A number of airlines collect fuel surcharges as "embedded Q" surcharges in the fare construction's surcharges section -- EY and KE among them. Looking up the fare rules you'll find the following under Surcharges:

ORIGINATING THE UNITED STATES -
FOR TICKETING ON/AFTER 04JUN 12
A FUEL SURCHARGE OF USD 355.00 FARE COMPONENT WILL
BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ADULT/CHILD/
INFANT.

And ITA displays this as part of the fare construction:

NYC EY AUH Q355.00 7221.50RRTUS EY NYC Q355.00 7221.50RRTUS NUC 15153.00 END ROE 1.00 XT 5.50YC 7.00XY 5.00XA 33.40US 2.50AY 20.40AE 1.40TP 4.50XF JFK4.50

So with respect to fuel surcharges on EY, if it's ANA's policy to collect airline fuel surcharges they're doing it right. You can argue fairness of the policy all day, but they're sticking by it!

I just checked:

CLT - PHL - MAD (all US metal)
BRU - JFK - CLT (SN and US metal)

ANA website booking engine reports $967.20 in fees, with $428 in airline fuel surcharge and 447 of "others", even outside of embarkation tax/customs fees/security fees.

When I look on ITA Matrix - BRU - JFK on SN should have EUR134 in YQ and the US legs have no YQ.

How the hell does ANA come up with the $875 in YQ + Others for something that should be about $180 (EUR134).

Even when I call they acknowledge the US airways problem, but the taxes fees still come to $550, $424 of which is YQ on BRU - JFK which should be EUR134.

Interestingly it there's a large surcharge of about $248 that US applies to their transatlantic flights. They add it as an "embedded Q" surcharge, but state only that it's "governed by general rule 10" and I think that NH is picking it up as a fuel surcharge. Exactly what it is, though, I'm not sure. More investigation is needed.

As for the $424 on Brussels, that's what it used to be. I remember that for sure. It appears to have been drastically cut somewhat recently.

Finally made a successful booking that was not a rip-off:

2x Business Class
CLT-PHL-MAN-BRU // ZRH - MUC // MUC - MAN - PHL - CLT

The transatlantic legs are on US Airways (no YQ), and MAN-BRU is on SN; ZRH - MUC is on LH; and MUC - MAN is on SQ (in Y)

68,000 ANA miles and ~$330 per ticket in taxes and fees.

Finally made a successful booking that was not a rip-off:

2x Business Class
CLT-PHL-MAN-BRU // ZRH - MUC // MUC - MAN - PHL - CLT

The transatlantic legs are on US Airways (no YQ), and MAN-BRU is on SN; ZRH - MUC is on LH; and MUC - MAN is on SQ (in Y)

68,000 ANA miles and ~$330 per ticket in taxes and fees.

Now that's better! Not only is that a fair amount of taxes and fees for a European flight it appears to have been calculated properly :) Nice work, sir! And the the SQ flight is a great way to get between MUC and MAN, even if just in Y. To be fair, it's probably better than intra-european J :p

Once again this is a case of ANA being more right than anyone else (as with their Star Alliance award availability tool) :) There is a fuel surcharge, but remember that not all fuel surcharges are itemized as taxes (YQ or YR in the XT section). A number of airlines collect fuel surcharges as "embedded Q" surcharges in the fare construction's surcharges section -- EY and KE among them. Looking up the fare rules you'll find the following under Surcharges:

ORIGINATING THE UNITED STATES -
FOR TICKETING ON/AFTER 04JUN 12
A FUEL SURCHARGE OF USD 355.00 FARE COMPONENT WILL
BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ADULT/CHILD/
INFANT.

And ITA displays this as part of the fare construction:

NYC EY AUH Q355.00 7221.50RRTUS EY NYC Q355.00 7221.50RRTUS NUC 15153.00 END ROE 1.00 XT 5.50YC 7.00XY 5.00XA 33.40US 2.50AY 20.40AE 1.40TP 4.50XF JFK4.50

So with respect to fuel surcharges on EY, if it's ANA's policy to collect airline fuel surcharges they're doing it right. You can argue fairness of the policy all day, but they're sticking by it!

Hm, still not bad for a RT though.

Hm, still not bad for a RT though.

Looks like it may be each way :rolleyes:

I just put together an award flight from NY to S America and have a surprising $100 fuel surcharge on it. I was only able to price this on the phone. Has anyone seen this before?
When I priced the itinerary on ITA, it does not show any YQ

This is the itinerary

EWR-LIM on UA
LIM-CUZ on LA
CUZ-LIM on LA
LIM-PTY on CM
PTY-JFK on CM

Taxes are about $160 and then they want an additional $100 fuel surcharge.

Any idea if this is correct?

Thanks for the help

What is the itemized list of surcharges from ITA? Also, what are the fare rules? Sometimes fuel surcharges are included in the fare rules but don't show up itemized by ITA.

interesting, here is the itemized list which includes no fuel surcharge
there are 5 dift sets of fare rules which each say there is a surcharge of 40-80 $, except the UA segment which has none
ive never seen this with anyone but ana. kinda sneaky if you ask me...


Provide this information to a travel agent to help them match the fares found.
Make sure to provide the exact booking and fare codes shown.
Fare 1: Carrier UA KNN4E9LS EWR to LIM (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code K
Covers EWR-LIM (Economy)
$303.00
Fare 2: Carrier TA PACCESAP LIM to CUZ (rules)
Passenger type ADT, one-way fare, booking code P
Covers LIM-CUZ (Economy)
$146.00
Fare 3: Carrier TA PACCESAP CUZ to LIM (rules)
Passenger type ADT, one-way fare, booking code P
Covers CUZ-LIM (Economy)
$146.00
Fare 4: Carrier CM Y LIM to PTY (rules)
Passenger type ADT, one-way fare, booking code Y
Covers LIM-PTY (Economy)
$720.00
Fare 5: Carrier CM WX14B65 PTY to NYC (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code W
Covers PTY-JFK (Economy)
$244.00
Peru Int'l Arrival Tax (DY) $15.00
US International Departure Tax (US) $16.70
US September 11th Security Fee (AY) $2.50
US Passenger Facility Charge (XF) $4.50
Peru Airport Departure Tax (HW) $44.39
Panama Airport Security Fee (AH) $1.25
USDA APHIS Fee (XA) $5.00
US Immigration Fee (XY) $7.00
US Customs Fee (YC) $5.50
Panama Airport Departure Tax (FZ) $40.00
Panama Airport Security Fee (AH) $1.25
US International Arrival Tax (US) $16.70

Subtotal per passenger $1,718.79
Number of passengers x1

TOTAL AIRFARE & TAXES $1,718.79
This ticket is non-refundable.
Changes to this ticket will incur a penalty fee.


What is the itemized list of surcharges from ITA? Also, what are the fare rules? Sometimes fuel surcharges are included in the fare rules but don't show up itemized by ITA.

interesting, here is the itemized list which includes no fuel surcharge
there are 5 dift sets of fare rules which each say there is a surcharge of 40-80 $, except the UA segment which has none
ive never seen this with anyone but ana. kinda sneaky if you ask me...

NH has been known to make mistakes with this from time to time, so I would recommend calling them and asking where the USD100 in fuel surcharges are coming from.

Apparently NH has stopped charging YQ (http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/28060) on redemptions on UA (and shouldn't be on US).

Well, it looks like ANA is once again charging YQ for UA flights. Is this just a glitch or are others seeing this as well?

I heard that ANA charges no fuel surcharges for AC flights, too. Is it real? I have searched a lot in this forum but couldn't find this. Is there anyone who redeemed ANA miles for AC international flight?

Well, it looks like ANA is once again charging YQ for UA flights. Is this just a glitch or are others seeing this as well?

others see the fuel surcharge again too

I heard that ANA charges no fuel surcharges for AC flights, too. Is it real? I have searched a lot in this forum but couldn't find this. Is there anyone who redeemed ANA miles for AC international flight?

Not sure about international, but I don't think that AC publishes a fuel surcharge for domestic travel within Canada or between Canada and the US, so I don't think ANA would know how much to charge. Aeroplan just picks a number they deem fair when you redeem AP miles.

Just booked EWR-MXP-EWR on UA for late April/early May. 68,000 AMC points and $54 in taxes (business class).

So, looks like the UA fuel surcharge is absent. Thank God. Similar routings through Germany on LH were outrageous.

In January I redeemed UA miles to fly ORD-NRT on NH in F - $130 in taxes, so no YQ.

In January I redeemed UA miles to fly ORD-NRT on NH in F - $130 in taxes, so no YQ.

You redeemed miles with UA MP, not NH AMC -- UA MP doesn't add on fuel surcharges to redemptions, but NH AMC does.

Any idea what extra taxes and fuel surcharges would be redeeming on NH AMC and flying UA MCI-ORD, OZ ORD-ICN, and OZ ICN-BKI in J class? I would not be on an ANA plane or pass through NRT.

I am interested in a vacation to Borneo in early 2014 and am flexible with what miles/points I can use to get there. My preference is to use up my AX MR points and dump into ANA plan. But taxes and YQ amounts have a bearing on whether or not I get to BKI this way or use another airline FF plan.

Any idea what extra taxes and fuel surcharges would be redeeming on NH AMC and flying UA MCI-ORD, OZ ORD-ICN, and OZ ICN-BKI in J class? I would not be on an ANA plane or pass through NRT.

I am interested in a vacation to Borneo in early 2014 and am flexible with what miles/points I can use to get there. My preference is to use up my AX MR points and dump into ANA plan. But taxes and YQ amounts have a bearing on whether or not I get the BKI this way or use another aiirline FF plan.

No idea. Best thing to do is call ANA and ask.

For *A travellers, Amex is not ideal, since NH, SQ and AC all impose fuel surcharges on award tickets. I abandoned mine once the ability to transfer points to CO was done away with.

Any idea what extra taxes and fuel surcharges would be redeeming on NH AMC and flying UA MCI-ORD, OZ ORD-ICN, and OZ ICN-BKI in J class? I would not be on an ANA plane or pass through NRT.


NH is not the only carrier charging fuel surcharge, for sure OZ will, and they charge as much as NH.

No idea. Best thing to do is call ANA and ask.

For *A travellers, Amex is not ideal, since NH, SQ and AC all impose fuel surcharges on award tickets. I abandoned mine once the ability to transfer points to CO was done away with.

I had used up all my MR points on a trip to China in 2011 with ANA plan flying on UA and OZ. I was going to be done with AX cards but there came along an offer for 75K MR points for a new business card. I couldn't help myself so I started the AX MR churn again. Between mine and my Mom's accounts I'm sitting on 206K+ MR points to be used for 2 J tickets. Hence the need to transfer to ANA and fly *A carriers.

On the trip to China the fuel surcharges weren't too bad since we never flew ANA or passed through NRT. They were around $150

I called ANA and asked about the miles needed and taxes. I was told 115K miles pp for J and $586 pp in taxes/YQ. That's steep compared to 2 years ago, but still worth it for J tickets all the way to Borneo.

Looking to book my sister on an award to Scotland with AMEX MR points. The flights she wanted were on UA, and were available so I called ANA to check on the fees. Was surprised to see them coming in at only $141.90, expected a lot more than that since UA showed a $478 YQ when I searched in ITA Matrix. Since it's a direct flight and a short distance, it comes out to only 38k miles in Y which I find a great deal. I did a search on the UA site and they were quoting $141.60 for taxes/fees. Seems like they basically transferred the same fees over to the ANA award?

Do you think something is wrong with the taxes and fees though? Were they perhaps only reading me the taxes and not including any YQ or other fees? Just the UK duty and service charges on the UA ticket fee breakdown were coming in at $131.

Anyone with an updated experience? There are a lot of conflicting reports about whether ANA is still charging YQ on UA tickets.

I am in the process of dealing with them right now - apparently even for a domestic US ticket on UA they are charging additional taxes and fees. On the phone with them trying to figure out their policy - definitely getting conflicting reports.

See Dan's post (http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/28060) and then look in the comments for various experiences...

I feel like there is some back office that tickets these awards and arbitrarily decides whether to charge fees...

I am in the process of dealing with them right now - apparently even for a domestic US ticket on UA they are charging additional taxes and fees. On the phone with them trying to figure out their policy - definitely getting conflicting reports.

See Dan's post (http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/28060) and then look in the comments for various experiences...

I feel like there is some back office that tickets these awards and arbitrarily decides whether to charge fees...

So it seems like if you can book it online then there are no fuel surcharges (I just booked a TATL roundtrip on UA and none were assessed online).

If you have to call in, then it seems like responses are more variable.

All - I've read conflicting reports in terms of taxes/fee's charged when using ANA Miles for redemption on United/US Air. For instance, I see it would be 68k miles for a R/T Biz redemption IAD/CDG on United - but would the surcharges be more in the neighborhood of $100 or $1000? (I'll be transferring over AMEX MR Points for this and wouldn't want to actually committ to it if the surcharges/fee's are extremely high). Many thanks for your wisdom!

I'm a noob to * Alliance partner so please bear with me.

I have over 150k in Membership reward points that I'd like to use for EWR-LIS trip. I know ANA distance based award offer the best bang for buck.

So here are the questions?
Does ANA charge fuel surcharge on TAP flight?
I also see limited availability on UA? Does anyone know if there's fuel surcharge?


Any help/direction would be greatly appreciated.

I'm looking to use my Amex MR points for trip from NYC-LISBON. From my research, it seems like ANA distance based awards fit the bill as I only need 38k/passanger. I'd like to transfer to ANA and book using either United or TAP. Can someone tell me if ANA charges fuel surcharge on United or TAP?

If there are better option please feel free to share...

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Don't know about TAP, but there have been some recent developments regarding surcharges for UA flights on ANA awards. There's a thread about this in the FT ANA forum.

Thanks Guv...
I've spent a quite a bit of time on ANA thread but haven't been able to get definitive answer. If someone has a enough ANA miles and can do a quick look up for me, I'd really appreciate it.

Thread transferred to the ANA forum because that is where members with the requisite knowledge are most likely to be found.