Mileage Run Discussion - [FARE GONE] BOS-TLV tons of dates in the fall and winter - $420 pp

Not sure this qualifies as an MR because of long layovers in LHR and stuff, but it's a steal if you're looking to go to TLV.

It errored out on me via elal.com and orbitz, but I got confirmation on cheaptickets. Looks like they may be in the process of fixing it, so act fast.

Just booked my two trips, so I am safe to post now. LOL

PS, feel free to merge this into the "good deals" thread if it's more appropriate there.

Nice find. Looks like the fat was forgotten.

I see NYC for as low as $339 too on Vayama. $354 elsewhere.

Does Orbitz allow 24 hour cancel??

not bookable?

Does Orbitz allow 24 hour cancel??

yes.

I booked less than 30 min ago on cheap tickets. Try there first.

$ 327 ai rt from jfk, webjet.com

yes.

Expedia too?

Expedia too?

yes, expedia, priceline orbitz. there are only a couple airlines that cannot be canceled. spirit is one of them.

Bookable on Expedia from NYC.

any potential to earn miles with a major frequent flyer program?

Bookable on Expedia from NYC.

priceline, too.

24-Hour No Questions Asked Cancellations
If you accidentally make a mistake with your flight itinerary or passenger names when booking your published price airline ticket, just call us within 24 hours of booking your ticket (and at least 1 hour before departure or check-in) and we'll give you a full refund, no questions asked. And that includes no cancellation fees from priceline.com or the airline.

Just dial: 1-800-PRICELINE (from the U.S. or Canada) or 1-212-444-0022 (from anywhere else).

Sorry amigo, but there are some limits to my clout (but not many). Refunds do not apply to Air India or Spirit Airlines tickets, paper tickets, or tickets booked using our Name Your Own Price® and Vacation Package services. Optional travel insurance is non-refundable. Also, once The Negotiator deep-sixes your reservation, the booking cannot be reinstated.

I see NYC for as low as $339 too on Vayama. $354 elsewhere.

Awesome.

Orbitz has allowed me free 24-hour cancels for quite some time, but I haven't had to do that in nearly 9 months.

booked from new york for $ 336 via zurich on priceline.

NYC-TLV is already trending as most searched on Vayama.com :)

Also bookable from sunny Miami, DFW, or ORD - nonstop AA flights to London, on to TLV. ORD is an even better deal, with sample dates 11/18-25 (out/return) found for $369 on cheaptickets.

booked from new york for $ 336 via zurich on priceline.

got a record locator. i am able to pull it up on el al's website. status "recorded", never seen that before.

edit: ticket number now displayed.

Awesome.

Orbitz has allowed me free 24-hour cancels for quite some time, but I haven't had to do that in nearly 9 months.

Not bookable on Orbitz (at least for dates I was trying). Get a "shifting availability" message"

Still shows on Orbitz. I looked at thanksgiving dates. Didn't work for Christmas dates.

Not bookable on Orbitz (at least for dates I was trying). Get a "shifting availability" message"

orbitz does not work for nyc departures, but priceline and expedia do.

Still shows on Orbitz. I looked at thanksgiving dates. Didn't work for Christmas dates.

I am finding it for the week before Christmas dates. This is quite a deal even if I use it to throw away the return and fly from TLV to points east.

looks like it booked into G which should earn 50% AAdvantage

i would say: book now, think later. expedia, priceline, orbitz all have some sort of 24 hours free cancel policy. vayama and cheapoair do not allow to cancel as far as i know, but the big 3 do.

Not sure this qualifies as an MR because of long layovers in LHR and stuff, but it's a steal if you're looking to go to TLV.

It errored out on me via elal.com and orbitz, but I got confirmation on cheaptickets. Looks like they may be in the process of fixing it, so act fast.

Just booked my two trips, so I am safe to post now. LOL

Great find OP! Just booked out of NYC for President's Day 2013. Got a confirmation from Vayama for $329 all-in.

got a record locator. i am able to pull it up on el al's website. status "recorded", never seen that before.

edit: ticket number now displayed.


Got locator number as well and pulled record up...booked from NYC to TLV, November 17th to November 24th...

Booked 1 on Expedia. 2nd one changed price on my when trying to book. Priceline not coming up with same prices as ITA. Trying to book via Vayama now.


ETA: Vayama still good

Booked 1 on Expedia. 2nd one changed price on my when trying to book. Priceline not coming up with same prices as ITA. Trying to book via Vayama now.

That can mean one of two things (or a combo of both): the inventory is drying up quickly or the pricing is being fixed to shut this down.

Permitted 26oct 12 through 16dec 12 or 24dec 12 through
24mar 13 on the first international sector.

We've got one trip @ Thanksgiving and one over Xmas

Booked from NYC from Feburary 14 to Feburary 24th. First time in Israel, pretty excited.

Did it through Vayama, only 1 ticket left at that price it seemed.

Must be done. Just tried ORD-TLV and prices out but cannot buy, changes fare.

Must be done. Just tried ORD-TLV and prices out but cannot buy, changes fare.

I think it depends on your booking medium. Some sellers are still OK, and some aren't.

Just booked through Vayama from ORD! Awesome deal :)

Just booked through cheaptickets for spring 2013. Thanks OP.

Anyone have any luck finding anything for this month?

Can we do better than 50% credit to AA?

nesia tova l'koolam! ;)
(have a great trip, everyone!)

I think it depends on your booking medium. Some sellers are still OK, and some aren't.

I was able to buy on Cheaptickets. Feb 6-11.

BTW do we get 100% on AA flights even though code as El Al.

I was able to buy on Cheaptickets. Feb 6-11.

BTW do we get 100% on AA flights even though code as El Al.

That I have no idea about. I am not really a OneWorld kind of girl, actually. I just jumped on it because we need to go those dates regardless, and for a family of 4, the price was worth not worrying much about mileage accrual.

Still good. Just booked another one. I think I'm all set. Thanks OP!!!

I was able to buy on Cheaptickets. Feb 6-11.

BTW do we get 100% on AA flights even though code as El Al.

No, since these are all El Al marketed flights, you follow the El Al accrual chart. Fare code was G, which is 50%.

Just booked on expedia from NYC over MLK day. Can anybody re-confirm that it's cancellable within 24 hours? Although I assume El Al would be happy to cancel it with no penalty anyway once they discover the mistake...

Great sale! Got in for Christmas/New Year's!

thanks op...booked on expedia for 12/27-1/1!

I have AA LX combo. what earning do i get from the LX flight and where can I put it.
thanks,:confused:
No, since these are all El Al marketed flights, you follow the El Al accrual chart. Fare code was G, which is 50%.

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shouldn't the answer be NO as the flights are marketed by el al. (G = 50% AA). Over at Star Alliance, credit is determined by operating carrier. I believe, at Oneworld it is the marketing carrier, or am I wrong?

I have AA LX combo. what earning do i get from the LX flight and where can I put it.
thanks,:confused:

If it's an LY codeshare (even if operated by LX), won't you be able to accrue on AA? (I am no AA FF pro by any means, so please forgive me if I am way off base.)

Thanks, OP! Just booked for Veteran's Day weekend on Expedia. Now I have 24 hours to change my mind ;).

Anyone know if this earns AA EQMs, albeit at 50%? Also, can an EXP choose premium seats in advance on the AA (LY-coded) segments?



ETA: JFK-ZRH-TLV-ZRH-TLV $336.80... connection times are about 1:20 each... and Expedia let me select premium exit row seats when I attached my AA number!

thank you from me too. i booked a trip for myself in nov and for my mom in dec. $370 RT from chicago.

separately, i couldn't find anything on expedia that showed a 24 hour cancellation. not that i plan to cancel but was just curious.

Booked but showing "Recorded" when I pull it up on El Al. Any idea what this means? It's showing a ticket number, so I assume it's ticketed, no?

Booked but showing "Recorded" when I pull it up on El Al. Any idea what this means? It's showing a ticket number, so I assume it's ticketed, no?
yup!!

my AA metal flights are booked in booking code N on the outbound and S on the return .. 100% EQM's and SWU'able



On El Al metal, from LHR-TLV and TLV-CDG its booked in G & N which is 50% EQM's

http://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/earnMiles/travel/airlines/elAl.jsp

So just being nosy, what airlines/codeshares are all of you on from other cities?

From BOS it was always AA operating the BOS-LHR legs and LY operating the LHR-TLV legs, but some of you have LX in there and who knows what else...

Gracias a la OP.

Travelocity still has decent availability for December out of NYC (all I've looked for). They actually do advertise their 24-hour cancellation policy here (http://leisure.travelocity.com/Promotions/0,,TRAVELOCITY%7C5353%7Cairfare_main,00.html), to soothe the souls of those on the fence. Not to mention 2 UR bonus points/$ via the ultimate rewards mall.

I have AA LX combo. what earning do i get from the LX flight and where can I put it.
thanks,:confused:

If it's an LY codeshare (even if operated by LX), won't you be able to accrue on AA? (I am no AA FF pro by any means, so please forgive me if I am way off base.)

No, normally the qualifier is "operated and marketed" by the carrier for AAdvantage. When the flight is not on the marketed (ticketed) carrier, and the operating carrier is not a Oneworld carrier, it won't be eligible unless the marketing carrier is AA itself. I'm on my phone so I can't look at the details until late but that is what I believe is true.

Not to mention 2 UR bonus points/$ via the ultimate rewards mall.

Grr...darn, I didn't realize that!

Only downside of this is those horrid AA 763's. Swore I'd never take them TATL again. Guess I'll have to load up my iPad.

my AA metal flights are booked in booking code N on the outbound and S on the return .. 100% EQM's

Only if you have AA flight numbers on your tickets. If you have El Al numbers, it will be RDMs only.

my AA metal flights are booked in booking code N on the outbound and S on the return .. 100% EQM's and SWU'able



On El Al metal, from LHR-TLV and TLV-CDG its booked in G & N which is 50% EQM's

http://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/earnMiles/travel/airlines/elAl.jsp

How/where did you you get AA-coded flights???

So just being nosy, what airlines/codeshares are all of you on from other cities?

From BOS it was always AA operating the BOS-LHR legs and LY operating the LHR-TLV legs, but some of you have LX in there and who knows what else...

we've got:

JFK-CDG (AA)
CDG-TLV (LY)
TLV-ZRH (LX)
ZRH-JFK (AA)

All LY coded

Personally *if* LX still gives out the Haagen Dasz mid-flight, I'd say mileage-schmileage for that leg. ;) (blasphemy, I know)

So just being nosy, what airlines/codeshares are all of you on from other cities?

From BOS it was always AA operating the BOS-LHR legs and LY operating the LHR-TLV legs, but some of you have LX in there and who knows what else...

From New York over Christmas/New Year's, I've got JFK-ZRH on AA, ZRH-TLV on LY, TLV-ZRH on LX, and ZRH-JFK on AA.

Thanks OP, worked like a charm on Travelocity. Boy this is just like the good old days when people actually posted deals...

From New York over Christmas/New Year's, I've got JFK-ZRH on AA, ZRH-TLV on LY, TLV-ZRH on LX, and ZRH-JFK on AA.

+1

Wow, you guys traveling from NYC got some short and sweet connections

Mine are trying to book on vayama from DFW-TLV, week of Thanksgiving, for $448pp

you can build free <24 hour layovers in London, Paris, and Zurich using multi-city

we've got:

JFK-CDG (AA)
CDG-TLV (LY)
TLV-ZRH (LX)
ZRH-JFK (AA)

All LY coded

For the LX operated flights, the rules for crediting that flight to most Star Alliance accounts are based on LX being the operator and the marketing carrier doesn't make a difference.

Thanks OP, worked like a charm on Travelocity. Boy this is just like the good old days when people actually posted deals...

+1

Newb question, but is there an option for getting these miles credited on AA?

Thanks OP, worked like a charm on Travelocity. Boy this is just like the good old days when people actually posted deals...

You're welcome.

I am a longtime FT'er but also a working mom of two little kids. I haven't got the time to figure out all the codespeak to post it secretly let alone decipher other people's posts written that way! I'm glad to share it straight up.

Mine went through on Vayama. The DFW-MAD legs are operated by American, so should get 100%EQM

Newb question, but is there an option for getting these miles credited on AA?

find your reservation on AA.com using one of the El Al flight numbers and that should pull it up.. then on AA.com, you can add your AA mileage # along with passport, etc.

obviously accrual only applies to AA / El Al flights, not Swiss as some have reported booking.

How do you check fare class for El Al?

Mine went through on Vayama. The DFW-MAD legs are operated by American, so should get 100%EQM

wrong. you prob booked into G = 50% AA

When you pull up your itinerary on AA.com, it doesn't show the AA-operated flights as El Al marketed.. I think this is confusing people into thinking that it's an AA-marketed/AA-operated flight. It's not. The system knows.

Oh well, either way it's a great deal to a place to which I've always wanted to go, thanks OP!

If your booking engine didn't let you pick seats, seat selection is working via elal.com if you got your el al PNR

Is anyone able to get a ZRH/LX/Star Alliance flight from ORD? I have put in a bunch of dates but they are all via LHR or CDG and on American/El Al.

shouldn't the answer be NO as the flights are marketed by el al. (G = 50% AA). Over at Star Alliance, credit is determined by operating carrier. I believe, at Oneworld it is the marketing carrier, or am I wrong?

With crediting flights to AA at least, marketing carrier trumps operating carrier, at least if the flight operator is an AA partner.

Mine went through on Vayama. The DFW-MAD legs are operated by American, so should get 100%EQM

I think if they have LY flight numbers, they will be governed by this chart:
http://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/earnMiles/travel/airlines/elAl.jsp
so 50% or 100% earnings.

anyone able to use a SWU on AA operated flight so far?

Thanks OP! Booked three tickets in March for my family to go over to Israel, and got eticket confirmation - JFK-ZRH-TLV. I was only able to get an overnight connection in ZRH on the return for the date I needed, but for $336 pp I'm not complaining! This will be our first time to Israel, so we are definitely looking forward to it.

I think if they have LY flight numbers, they will be governed by this chart:
http://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/earnMiles/travel/airlines/elAl.jsp
so 50% or 100% earnings.

But are those EQM or RDM?

PS Anyone who knows more than me and OneWorld accrual and is a moderator: Please feel free to edit thread title to note LY or AA or OW or whatever will make it more clear.

I never posted an MR before, and I forgot to include that info.

But are those EQM or RDM?
Definitely RDM. Not sure about EQM.

ETA: looks like no EQMs on LY unless it has an AA fight number:
http://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/eliteStatus/qualification-requirements.jsp

Much thanks OP! In for one in Feb 2013.

But are those EQM or RDM?

LY-marketed-and-operated flights credited to AA accounts result only in RDM. It is not part of AA's program to systematically grant EQM for LY-marketed-and-operated flights.

But are those EQM or RDM?

LY-marketed-and-operated flights credited to AA accounts result only in RDM. It is not part of AA's program to systematically grant EQM for LY-marketed-and-operated flights.

Correct. Note under the earnings for AA itself, that a separate line item is present for EQM and it is not there for the El Al chart.

I guess the people who would make out best mileage-wise are LY Matmid members.

Interesting routing note:)

28OCT12**28OCT12/LY NYCTLV/NSP;AT/TPM 5666/MPM 6819
** FOR LY UPGRADE INFO SEE INFO NOTE LY/0310 **
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
02*GLAAUSA 189 G + S26OCT 16DEC+ - SU+ 3M R
T07AUG -
ADDON SPECIFIED LY0008 ADDON EFF07AUG12
TRAVEL BTWN NYC AND TLV MUST NOT BE DIRECT
1 * NYC-LY-ZRH/LON/MAD/PAR-LY-TLV
> PAGE 2/ 2
>

Fare's so good, it's almost worth it to use as a one way and return on a biz award.

anyone able to use a SWU on AA operated flight so far?
Must be AA marketed and operated. Can't use them on codeshares.

Interesting routing note:)

28OCT12**28OCT12/LY NYCTLV/NSP;AT/TPM 5666/MPM 6819
** FOR LY UPGRADE INFO SEE INFO NOTE LY/0310 **
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
02*GLAAUSA 189 G + S26OCT 16DEC+ - SU+ 3M R
T07AUG -
ADDON SPECIFIED LY0008 ADDON EFF07AUG12
TRAVEL BTWN NYC AND TLV MUST NOT BE DIRECT
1 * NYC-LY-ZRH/LON/MAD/PAR-LY-TLV
> PAGE 2/ 2
>

Please translate for the uninitiated.:)

FYI, this hit Slickdeals ~45 mins ago. Book fast.

Please translate for the uninitiated.:)

It's prohibiting you from flying on El Al's nonstop JFK-TLV flight; if you want to fly NYC-TLV on this fare, it essentially requires you to take a connection in Zurich, Madrid, London, or Paris, with the transatlantic segment on an airline other than El Al.

It's unusual for an airline that operates a nonstop on a route to publish a fare that essentially forces you onto another carrier for a portion of that route. (I think -- I could certainly be wrong about that.)

How do you find out what fare code it is? I will be flying on American airlines and Swiss airlines from NYC with stop over in Zurich both ways.

Also, is 1 hour 20 minutes enough connection time for Zurich from Swiss airlines to AA airlines?

Does Vayama allow for a 24h free cancelation?

booked the flights for fall on webjet.com, got my confirmation #. however, the tickets are not yet "ticketed". what does that mean - will el al still honor the reservation?

Three questions:

1) How many miles will you earn on American (what class of service is it)?
2) What's the easiest way to see choice of layover airports?
3) How do you book as stopover and not layover?

Looks like it's gone, at least on expedia:

Price Change
Your ticket price changed from $1,235.40 to $3,150.40. The airline could not confirm the original price due to pricing or availability changes that occurred after we posted the latest prices on our site. Continue booking or look for a different flight.

seems dead on vayama. webjet still has it but can't book through.

Looks like it's gone, at least on expedia:

Gone on Priceline, Vayama and Travelocity as well. Just had gotten hold of the wife and gotten the go-ahead. I know, I know . . . . second rule (after not calling) - book first, ask later.

Gone on Priceline, Vayama and Travelocity as well. Just had gotten hold of the wife and gotten the go-ahead. I know, I know . . . . second rule (after not calling) - book first, ask later.

I know. I let this one slide because I was trying to get a hold of the Mrs. Sigh.

what does it mean when it says "recorded" on el al site

As usual, have to move fast. Otherwise it slips right on by

Well, it lasted 6+ hours? Not bad.

When you pull up your itinerary on AA.com, it doesn't show the AA-operated flights as El Al marketed.. I think this is confusing people into thinking that it's an AA-marketed/AA-operated flight. It's not. The system knows.

When I pull up my itin on AA.com, it shows me booked in N with the AA flight number (not LY) on the JFK-ZRH segment. Are we sure the system knows? I hope not :D

Still seeing availability on cheaptickets fyi

When I pull up my itin on AA.com, it shows me booked in N with the AA flight number (not LY) on the JFK-ZRH segment. Are we sure the system knows? I hope not :D

How are you pulling it up on AA? I only have a LY RL (and I can't find the AA flt. number).

Thx.

Edit: nevermind, AA 64 is JFK-ZRH

I just booked on Priceline, got confirmation number and ticket number.
Jan 11 to 19th. Stops in Paris (12hs) and Zurich (16hs)

When you go on priceline, filter results by airline, and select El Al. :D

El Al Website Says:


Dear customer,

Due to maintenance, EL AL's site is not available at the moment.

Please try again later.

Thank you.



Maybe some of the pages are coming up this way, but not all of them.

JFK-ZRH-TLV-ZRH-JFK
14 hour layover both ways... land in TLV at 3:30 AM Saturday leave Sunday 3 PM... 36 hours on the ground... :D
this will be fun, dealing with Israeli security... :rolleyes:

Please translate for the uninitiated.:)

It's prohibiting you from flying on El Al's nonstop JFK-TLV flight; if you want to fly NYC-TLV on this fare, it essentially requires you to take a connection in Zurich, Madrid, London, or Paris, with the transatlantic segment on an airline other than El Al.

It's unusual for an airline that operates a nonstop on a route to publish a fare that essentially forces you onto another carrier for a portion of that route. (I think -- I could certainly be wrong about that.)

Yep, the regular fare is 300$ more:

>m
28OCT12**28OCT12/LY NYCTLV/NSP;AT/TPM 5666/MPM 6819
** FOR LY UPGRADE INFO SEE INFO NOTE LY/0310 **
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
01 GL3USA3M 429 G + S20OCT 15DEC+ - SU+ 3M R
ADDON SPECIFIED LY0179 ADDON EFF10OCT11
1 * NYC-LY-TLV
2 * NYC-LY-LON/YTO/BCN/BRU/MAD/PAR/ZRH-LY-TLV
> PAGE 2/ 2

JFK-ZRH-TLV-ZRH-JFK
14 hour layover both ways... land in TLV at 3:30 AM Saturday leave Sunday 3 PM... 36 hours on the ground... :D
this will be fun, dealing with Israeli security... :rolleyes:

3631 hours on the ground. 2 hours spent on incoming taxiing, immigration and baggage, 3 hours spent on outgoing security waiting. :D

well actually 17-23.


Thanks to the OP, I love you.;)

Got locator number as well and pulled record up...booked from NYC to TLV, November 17th to November 24th...

Still seeing availability on cheaptickets fyi

I keep getting a notice saying "As flight availability can change rapidly based on traveler demand, the flight that you have selected is no longer available. Please make another selection" :(

BTW, by using checkmytrip.com (Amadeus), you can input your LY record locator, to view your ticketing status "Processed" and actual e-ticket number. Ignore the verbage on elal.com. In your checkmytrip reservation, expand each traveler's name detail to see the etkt status/number.

Edit: Didn't even notice that the E-ticket numbers were right there on the ElAl reservation page itself.

I'm booked Mar 1-9 (from JFK).

This is my first fare like this...pretty exciting stuff.

Booked on cheaptickets at 2:10pm Eastern.

Wow, hotels in the holy land are pretty pricey!

So glad I got to snag this one. Booked 12/6-14 for my parents and I. $400 was our price (there was a 12/15 return for $350 but it left at 5:30AM ugh). First trip to Israel!

I am still new to booking mistake/cheap/whatever fares. Two years ago I did a JFK-BCN for around $220 I believe. Last year it was JFK-BRU with crimson12 and a few other friends for $250. I think this the best deal yet.

Wow, hotels in the holy land are pretty pricey!

Use hotel points to save money. That is what I have done previously for TLV when this kind of situation arises.

This is my first fare like this...pretty exciting stuff.


Yes it is. In the last couple of months I booked:

Business class award flight to australia.
The BA 25,000 avios TATL flight (which now seems like a waste...).
Singapore Airlines business on the A345 and A388.
The Hong Kong 4 miler.
A FD flight to Europe.
And now the TLV fare.

I REALLY need to take a break from FT:)

Look at rooms at one of their hotels. http://www.atlas.co.il/. Generally small rooms with great amenities and staff. No request is too big or small for them. I have stayed in a number of their properties and have no complaints, which is unusual for me!

Wow, hotels in the holy land are pretty pricey!

Where do you think the line 'no room in the inn' came from?

Looks like it's gone, at least on expedia:

Gone on Priceline, Vayama and Travelocity as well. Just had gotten hold of the wife and gotten the go-ahead. I know, I know . . . . second rule (after not calling) - book first, ask later.

That's actually a subsection of the first rule. The first rule is don't call...anybody! :D

This is crazy... UA just matched!!!

14*SLNC55T 389 S NRF S28OCT 12DEC+ +SU+ 3M R
B13MAR T07AUG
15*TLNC55U 289 T NRF S28OCT 12DEC+ +SU+ 3M R
B13MAR T07AUG
16*LLNC55S 189 L NRF S28OCT 12DEC+ +SU+ 3M R
B13MAR T07AUG


With a ton of routing options...


28OCT12**28OCT12/UA NYCTLV/NSP;AT/TPM 5666/MPM 6819
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
16*LLNC55S 189 L NRF S28OCT 12DEC+ +SU+ 3M R
B13MAR T07AUG
ADDON SPECIFIED UA0407 ADDON EFF06JUL12
1 * NYC-AC/LH/UA-BOS/CLT/DTT/EWR/NYC/PHL/WAS/YMQ/YOW/YTO-
UA-TLV
2 * NYC-AC/LH/UA-BOS/CLT/DTT/EWR/NYC/PHL/WAS/YMQ/YOW/YTO-
UA-AMS/BCN/BER/BHX/BRU/CPH/DUB/DUS/EDI/FRA/GVA/HAM/
LIS/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/MUC/PAR/ROM/ZRH-UA/LH/LX/OS/SN-
BER/FRA/MUC-UA/LH-TLV
3 * NYC-AC/LH/UA-BOS/CLT/DTT/EWR/NYC/PHL/WAS/YMQ/YOW/YTO-
UA-AMS/BCN/BER/BHX/BRU/CPH/DUB/DUS/EDI/FRA/GVA/HAM/
LIS/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/MUC/PAR/ROM/ZRH-UA/LH/LX/OS/SN-
EAP/GVA/ZRH-UA/LX-TLV
4 * NYC-AC/LH/UA-BOS/CLT/DTT/EWR/NYC/PHL/WAS/YMQ/YOW/YTO-
UA-AMS/BCN/BER/BHX/BRU/CPH/DUB/DUS/EDI/FRA/GVA/HAM/
LIS/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/MUC/PAR/ROM/ZRH-UA/LH/LX/OS/SN-
INN/HRG/VIE-UA/OS-TLV
> PAGE 2/ 3
>m
FQR 16
5 * NYC-AC/LH/UA-BOS/CLT/DTT/EWR/NYC/PHL/WAS/YMQ/YOW/YTO-
UA-AMS/BCN/BER/BHX/BRU/CPH/DUB/DUS/EDI/FRA/GVA/HAM/
LIS/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/MUC/PAR/ROM/ZRH-UA/LH/LX/OS/SN-
BRU-UA/SN-TLV
6 * NYC-UA-TLV
7 * NYC-UA-AMS/BCN/BER/BHX/BRU/CPH/DUB/DUS/EDI/FRA/GVA/
HAM/LIS/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/MUC/PAR/ROM/ZRH-UA/LH/LX/OS/
SN-BER/FRA/MUC-UA/LH-TLV
8 * NYC-UA-AMS/BCN/BER/BHX/BRU/CPH/DUB/DUS/EDI/FRA/GVA/
HAM/LIS/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/MUC/PAR/ROM/ZRH-UA/LH/LX/OS/
SN-EAP/GVA/ZRH-UA/LX-TLV
9 * NYC-UA-AMS/BCN/BER/BHX/BRU/CPH/DUB/DUS/EDI/FRA/GVA/
HAM/LIS/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/MUC/PAR/ROM/ZRH-UA/LH/LX/OS/
SN-INN/HRG/VIE-UA/OS-TLV
10 * NYC-UA-AMS/BCN/BER/BHX/BRU/CPH/DUB/DUS/EDI/FRA/GVA/
HAM/LIS/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/MUC/PAR/ROM/ZRH-UA/LH/LX/OS/
SN-BRU-UA/SN-TLV
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>

This is crazy... UA just matched!!!




Bookable where? I don't see it on .bomb?

This is crazy... UA just matched!!!

14*SLNC55T 389 S NRF S28OCT 12DEC+ +SU+ 3M R
B13MAR T07AUG
15*TLNC55U 289 T NRF S28OCT 12DEC+ +SU+ 3M R
B13MAR T07AUG
16*LLNC55S 189 L NRF S28OCT 12DEC+ +SU+ 3M R
B13MAR T07AUG


With a ton of routing options...


28OCT12**28OCT12/UA NYCTLV/NSP;AT/TPM 5666/MPM 6819
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
16*LLNC55S 189 L NRF S28OCT 12DEC+ +SU+ 3M R
B13MAR T07AUG
ADDON SPECIFIED UA0407 ADDON EFF06JUL12
1 * NYC-AC/LH/UA-BOS/CLT/DTT/EWR/NYC/PHL/WAS/YMQ/YOW/YTO-
UA-TLV
2 * NYC-AC/LH/UA-BOS/CLT/DTT/EWR/NYC/PHL/WAS/YMQ/YOW/YTO-
UA-AMS/BCN/BER/BHX/BRU/CPH/DUB/DUS/EDI/FRA/GVA/HAM/
LIS/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/MUC/PAR/ROM/ZRH-UA/LH/LX/OS/SN-
BER/FRA/MUC-UA/LH-TLV
3 * NYC-AC/LH/UA-BOS/CLT/DTT/EWR/NYC/PHL/WAS/YMQ/YOW/YTO-
UA-AMS/BCN/BER/BHX/BRU/CPH/DUB/DUS/EDI/FRA/GVA/HAM/
LIS/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/MUC/PAR/ROM/ZRH-UA/LH/LX/OS/SN-
EAP/GVA/ZRH-UA/LX-TLV
4 * NYC-AC/LH/UA-BOS/CLT/DTT/EWR/NYC/PHL/WAS/YMQ/YOW/YTO-
UA-AMS/BCN/BER/BHX/BRU/CPH/DUB/DUS/EDI/FRA/GVA/HAM/
LIS/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/MUC/PAR/ROM/ZRH-UA/LH/LX/OS/SN-
INN/HRG/VIE-UA/OS-TLV
> PAGE 2/ 3
>m
FQR 16
5 * NYC-AC/LH/UA-BOS/CLT/DTT/EWR/NYC/PHL/WAS/YMQ/YOW/YTO-
UA-AMS/BCN/BER/BHX/BRU/CPH/DUB/DUS/EDI/FRA/GVA/HAM/
LIS/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/MUC/PAR/ROM/ZRH-UA/LH/LX/OS/SN-
BRU-UA/SN-TLV
6 * NYC-UA-TLV
7 * NYC-UA-AMS/BCN/BER/BHX/BRU/CPH/DUB/DUS/EDI/FRA/GVA/
HAM/LIS/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/MUC/PAR/ROM/ZRH-UA/LH/LX/OS/
SN-BER/FRA/MUC-UA/LH-TLV
8 * NYC-UA-AMS/BCN/BER/BHX/BRU/CPH/DUB/DUS/EDI/FRA/GVA/
HAM/LIS/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/MUC/PAR/ROM/ZRH-UA/LH/LX/OS/
SN-EAP/GVA/ZRH-UA/LX-TLV
9 * NYC-UA-AMS/BCN/BER/BHX/BRU/CPH/DUB/DUS/EDI/FRA/GVA/
HAM/LIS/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/MUC/PAR/ROM/ZRH-UA/LH/LX/OS/
SN-INN/HRG/VIE-UA/OS-TLV
10 * NYC-UA-AMS/BCN/BER/BHX/BRU/CPH/DUB/DUS/EDI/FRA/GVA/
HAM/LIS/LON/MAD/MAN/MIL/MUC/PAR/ROM/ZRH-UA/LH/LX/OS/
SN-BRU-UA/SN-TLV
> PAGE 3/ 3
>

Where????

Where????
Seeing that as well but can't find it bookable

Did everyone get eticket #s for the El Al flights? still don't have mine.

Can someone spare some bandwidth from ITA so that I can do a search :D:D:D

Can someone spare some bandwidth from ITA so that I can do a search :D:D:D

No kidding. The googlized ITA sucks.

still bookable on Vayama for next year in Feb

No kidding. The googlized ITA sucks.

oy. it so does.

I checked fares on UA/US/AA/DL to see if others had similar low fares about 2-3h ago and now it seems the G and N fares LY filed have been matched by UA (and A+ ie LH/OS/AC/LX) in L & T.

Sadly the YQ is atrocious, so unless you do a fuel dump the fare is unusable:

LAST TKT DTE 09AUG12 - SEE ADV PURCHASE
------------------------------------------------------------
AL FLGT BK T DATE TIME FARE BASIS NVB NVA BG
NYC
TLV UA 84 L L 30OCT 1555 LLNC55S 30JAN 1P
NYC UA 85 L L 05NOV 1120 LLNC55S 04NOV30JAN 1P

USD 189.00 30OCT12NYC UA TLV94.50UA NYC94.50NUC189.00
END ROE1.000000
USD 610.00YQ XT USD 16.70US USD 16.70US USD 5.00XA USD
USD 5.50YC 7.00XY USD 2.50AY USD 25.10IL USD 4.50XF
USD 77.50XT EWR4.50
USD 882.00
TICKET STOCK RESTRICTION
BG CXR: UA
PRICED WITH VALIDATING CARRIER UA - REPRICE IF DIFFERENT VC
TICKETS ARE NON-REFUNDABLE

Seeing that as well but can't find it bookable

Anybody see this one.. the UA match would make this deal really sweet

BTW, by using checkmytrip.com (Amadeus), you can input your LY record locator, to view your ticketing status "Processed" and actual e-ticket number. Ignore the verbage on elal.com. In your checkmytrip reservation, expand each traveler's name detail to see the etkt status/number.

Edit: Didn't even notice that the E-ticket numbers were right there on the ElAl reservation page itself.

So should I ignore the recorded status on the El Al website? I have two individual e-ticke numbers (two travelers).

SWU are possible on this itin on AA operated flights....just confirmed w/ a friend

No kidding. The googlized ITA sucks.

Total Down Now...:D:D:D

SWU are possible on this itin on AA operated flights....just confirmed w/ a friend

Supposedly depends on the agent - officially not supposed to be allowed...

This is crazy... UA just matched!!!



Yes... it appears UA and all other *A carriers have matched the $189/$239/$289 R/T base fares (L-class)... but you can expect another $360 to $610 YQ on top of the fare.

Just had to look up what YQ means. Are the $900 or so fares now on United (from ORD) probably the matched fare?

Just had to look up what YQ means. Are the $900 or so fares now on United (from ORD) probably the matched fare?

Yes, see my example above.

Still see availability on cheapoair for 337 from nyc to telaviv, and orbitz for 450.

ITA Matrix just keeps timing out for me, but you can still find them through fly.com.

I found dates in Feb.

Already booked 2 reservations through expedia so didnt book it.

Yes, see my example above.

Sorry, missed that. Thanks. Too bad though as I'd love to get a cheap fare on United. That said, $900 isn't a bad price either.

I would love a *A trip, but I'll keep my cheap OW trip, I guess! Lol

Still see availability on cheapoair for 337 from nyc to telaviv, and orbitz for 450.


I've been trying cheapo but it has been repricing on me when trying to actually book it (since around 2:45 EST).

Guess I was too slow this time..

this deal is officially DEAD

lets get a deal discussion going on meetups (ex: taking the pilgrimage to Jerusalem)

Thanks OP booked NYC-TLV feb 6-12 on vayama for $329

Still see availability on cheapoair for 337 from nyc to telaviv, and orbitz for 450.

ITA Matrix just keeps timing out for me, but you can still find them through fly.com.

I found dates in Feb.

Already booked 2 reservations through expedia so didnt book it.

Dates in February?

The fare is still there, just needs to be ticketed by 07AUG and the dates are now restricted:

28OCT12**28OCT12/LY NYCTLV/NSP;AT/TPM 5666/MPM 6819
LN FARE BASIS OW USD RT B PEN DATES/DAYS AP MIN MAX R
17*NLAAUSA 289 N + S26OCT 16DEC+ - SU+ 3M R
T07AUG -
18*GLAAUSA 189 G + S26OCT 16DEC+ - SU+ 3M R
T07AUG -

No kidding. The googlized ITA sucks.

Good news is that they're working on it:
https://productforums.google.com/d/msg/matrixandonthefly/ODTXzN-9c4c/KHdUTDgFUUwJ

Booked over New Years for $437 a ticket. Not sure if its worth it. Booked on Travelocity so I can cancel within 24hrs. Got to go from WAS to NYC, so I'm looking at additional travel fees. Whats the weather like at the end of December? How expensive is Israel? Thoughts on the trip as a whole?

Wow, hotels in the holy land are pretty pricey!

Its all that Holy Water Jesus is selling there! Jesus Juice :D!

Thanks OP booked NYC-TLV feb 6-12 on vayama for $329

I am going Feb 6-11. Had a great time there earlier this year and have a great tour guide.

Will be with family but maybe we could meet somewhere in Jerusalem.

Thanks to the OP. MIA-TLV for $469 on Christmas!

I went the cheaptickets.com route. I have an eticket number, but I have yet to be confirmed...no charges have hit my credit card either...

When did u order?

Wow, hotels in the holy land are pretty pricey!

Yes they are, and quality levels are definitely not up to par compared to what you're paying.

Still, a heck of a deal for flights to TLV!

Good news is that they're working on it:
https://productforums.google.com/d/msg/matrixandonthefly/ODTXzN-9c4c/KHdUTDgFUUwJ

Sure...hahahaha.

You know that Google maimed Matrix ITA on purpose, right?

Newbie here, long time lurker.

Booked around Noon ET today. OTA just called to tell me El Al now wants to add $260 per segment and won't honor the initial price. I did not have an eticket # automatically issued after I booked so I'm guessing I just got caught up around the time they figured out their mistake.

Bummed.:(

As for hotels in Israel, yes... expensive. I think Israel is one place where using points really gets you the most in terms of savings. That's not to say the hotels are all WORTH their high prices in terms of their quality, but in terms of money not leaving your pocket, using points is well worth it.

Newbie here, long time lurker.

Booked around Noon ET today. OTA just called to tell me El Al now wants to add $260 per segment and won't honor the initial price. I did not have an eticket # automatically issued after I booked so I'm guessing I just got caught up around the time they figured out their mistake.

Bummed.:(

I have e ticket #s for mine, so hopefully I'm good.

When did u order?

a little after 10 am mountain time

a little after 10 am mountain time

Ahh. I placed my orders at about 8AM EST... (and then subsequently posted the deal). I have eticket #s and have already accessed my reservations on elal to select seats, etc.

Newbie here, long time lurker.

Booked around Noon ET today. OTA just called to tell me El Al now wants to add $260 per segment and won't honor the initial price. I did not have an eticket # automatically issued after I booked so I'm guessing I just got caught up around the time they figured out their mistake.

Bummed.:(

I booked on Travelocity and my confirmation email had an eticket number issued on El Al stock (114). If you have a ticket, ignore the call and file a DoT complaint. You could file a DoT complaint.

Use 399.88 as guidance: (“Therefore, if a consumer purchases a fare and that consumer receives confirmation (such as a confirmation email and/or the purchase appears on their credit card statement or online account summary) of their purchase, then the seller of air transportation cannot increase the price of that air transportation to that consumer, even when the fare is a “mistake.”)

Please visit this site: http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/escomplaint/es.cfm if you want to file a complaint.

Also, since it seems that UA filed a similar fare, I wouldn't consider this a mistake fare....

he call and file a DoT complaint. You could file a DoT complaint.

Use 399.88 as guidance: (“Therefore, if a consumer purchases a fare and that consumer receives confirmation (such as a confirmation email and/or the purchase appears on their credit card statement or online account summary) of their purchase, then the seller of air transportation cannot increase the price of that air transportation to that consumer, even when the fare is a “mistake.”)

Please visit this site: http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/escomplaint/es.cfm if you want to file a complaint.

Also, since it seems that UA filed a similar fare, I wouldn't consider this a mistake fare....

Actually I have no ticket # I looked in my e-mail and directly on El Al. My card was charged. Would just the charge support the complaint?

Newbie here, long time lurker.

Booked around Noon ET today. OTA just called to tell me El Al now wants to add $260 per segment and won't honor the initial price. I did not have an eticket # automatically issued after I booked so I'm guessing I just got caught up around the time they figured out their mistake.

Bummed.:(

now the real fun begins

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/breaking-news/dirt-cheap-tickets-el-al-be-honored

Looks EL AL is going to honor the tickets. Congrats to those who booked!

Ahh. I placed my orders at about 8AM EST... (and then subsequently posted the deal). I have eticket #s and have already accessed my reservations on elal to select seats, etc.

you certainly got the order of operations correct....

we shall see if they honor. I suspect they'll try not to. Since cheaptickets charged their $2 booking fee, we'll see if I can work that angle....hopefully, they just send a confirmation number and I can go on with my life.

now the real fun begins

Indeed and as this fare seems gone, baby gone I'll move this thread over to MR Discussion and wish everyone well.

tcook052
MR Forum Moderator

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/breaking-news/dirt-cheap-tickets-el-al-be-honored

Looks EL AL is going to honor the tickets. Congrats to those who booked!

BOO YEA!!!! I sure hope you're right. :)

BOO YEA!!!! I sure hope you're right. :)

I'm guessing it is because of 1. New DOT rules 2. While low, maybe even losing money low, $350-450 RT is not insanely low, and it seems most of the bookings were in what I assume to be lower travel seasons. If it were something stupid low, like under $100, it might be different.

I am able to look up my reservation on the El Al website, so I am guessing I am good to go? I have seats too. They try to sell you upgrades when you check in. Smart.

My dates are 1/11 to 1/19 :)

I'm guessing it is because of 1. New DOT rules 2. While low, maybe even losing money low, $350-450 RT is not insanely low, and it seems most of the bookings were in what I assume to be lower travel seasons. If it were something stupid low, like under $100, it might be different.

Totally agree that those factors are in passengers' favor. It is definitely off-season from mid-Oct to mid-March... that period is sandwiched right between (but not including) all the major holidays that draws travelers inbound and outbound, plus there isn't the family and student travel that there is in the summertime.

Considering the season, a butt in seat for that price may be worth it to them w/o a fight since the plane is going anyway.

IThey try to sell you upgrades when you check in. Smart.



I know! I must admit since I was already planning to be spending 1000ish or more per ticket to take this trip even if this deal hadn't come along, it sure is tempting. LOL

found my record locator number, picked seats!!!

What do you think El Al is going to want to add a Lap infant?

So, if the OTA told me El Al won't honor the fare, they charged my card when I booked, I received a confirmation but no seat or ticket#, then called me and cancelled my reservation 6 hrs later (my choices were pay $260 per segment more or cancel).

Do I really have a complaint under the DOT rules? (newbie question I'm sure)

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/breaking-news/dirt-cheap-tickets-el-al-be-honored

Looks EL AL is going to honor the tickets. Congrats to those who booked!

Morons like those described, calling the airlines, shortening the deal... :rolleyes:

Morons like those described, calling the airlines, shortening the deal... :rolleyes:

Indeed. The El Al agent said "Ohhhh ****" not oh wow :rolleyes:.

Oh well, can't keep them all in to only people who know not to call, and good that this was posted since it appears El Al will honor it. These are the mistake fares we want in truth, low enough to be a major discount, high enough that the airline says "Eh oh well lets go with it". Interesting that technically it is "only" 3.82 cpm, and the miles aren't even elite miles! What a "terrible" MR this is :D:D:D.

What a "terrible" MR this is :D:D:D.

If this MR is wrong, then I don't want to be right! ;) :D

It was exactly what I needed exactly when I needed it! :D I'm sure TRUE mileage runners are yawning at the whole thing, but I am pleased! :)

So, if the OTA told me El Al won't honor the fare, they charged my card when I booked, I received a confirmation but no seat or ticket#, then called me and cancelled my reservation 6 hrs later (my choices were pay $260 per segment more or cancel).

Do I really have a complaint under the DOT rules? (newbie question I'm sure)

I'm not an expert in this area, but since El Al never confirmed or ticketed your reservation, you have any recourse with them. Not sure if you have any recourse with the OTA.

Totally agree that those factors are in passengers' favor. It is definitely off-season from mid-Oct to mid-March... that period is sandwiched right between (but not including) all the major holidays that draws travelers inbound and outbound, plus there isn't the family and student travel that there is in the summertime.

Considering the season, a butt in seat for that price may be worth it to them w/o a fight since the plane is going anyway.

not really! Of those flights I saw LY was only the ZRH-TLV part it was AA over the pond. Some had LY to/from TLV and Europe other times it was only 1 direction.

Had it been the non-stops Id agree but ElAl will lose its shirt as it will have to pay AA and LX etc etc what they would have paid them had it been the correct fare and not this mistake fare. That is why I didnt pull the handle on this 1,I wasnt about to cause a hugh loss to LY

Indeed. The El Al agent said "Ohhhh ****" not oh wow :rolleyes:.

Oh well, can't keep them all in to only people who know not to call, and good that this was posted since it appears El Al will honor it. These are the mistake fares we want in truth, low enough to be a major discount, high enough that the airline says "Eh oh well lets go with it". Interesting that technically it is "only" 3.82 cpm, and the miles aren't even elite miles! What a "terrible" MR this is :D:D:D.

Definitely more than 3.82 cpm, I think, as it only earns 50% RDM (unless something goes horribly wrong ;))

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/breaking-news/dirt-cheap-tickets-el-al-be-honored

Looks EL AL is going to honor the tickets. Congrats to those who booked!

Kudos to LY, nice to see an airline take responsibility in one of these situations (cough, KE, cough)...

Indeed. The El Al agent said "Ohhhh ****" not oh wow :rolleyes:.

Oh well, can't keep them all in to only people who know not to call, and good that this was posted since it appears El Al will honor it. These are the mistake fares we want in truth, low enough to be a major discount, high enough that the airline says "Eh oh well lets go with it". Interesting that technically it is "only" 3.82 cpm, and the miles aren't even elite miles! What a "terrible" MR this is :D:D:D.

Yeah, the crazy thing is that I'm happy I missed out on it and that it put TLV on my radar screen. I think several buddies and I will fly an FD'ed *A TLV itin for the same price and actually earn elite miles (not that I need anymore EQM this year--already booked past 100k) and 200% RDM; and not have to drive, Amtrak, or Avios to NYC.

Kudos to LY, nice to see an airline take responsibility in one of these situations (cough, KE, cough)...

KE did *just fine* in their most recent episode. :D

not really! Of those flights I saw LY was only the ZRH-TLV part it was AA over the pond. Some had LY to/from TLV and Europe other times it was only 1 direction.

Had it been the non-stops Id agree but ElAl will lose its shirt as it will have to pay AA and LX etc etc what they would have paid them had it been the correct fare and not this mistake fare. That is why I didnt pull the handle on this 1,I wasnt about to cause a hugh loss to LY

good point! I wonder how it works if the fare itself was intact but the YQ was forgotten. (That is what happened, isn't it?)

If this MR is wrong, then I don't want to be right! ;) :D

It was exactly what I needed exactly when I needed it! :D I'm sure TRUE mileage runners are yawning at the whole thing, but I am pleased! :)

No worries, you did it the right way. Some fares are so good that it doesn't matter that you earn miles from them. I posted a $208 BOS-LIS (Lisbon, Portugal) not too long ago that I assumed wouldn't earn miles, but it deserved a separate thread, just like this did. I'm not going to pay $900+ just to earn miles, give me $430 and no miles any day of the week (we're even getting 50% RDMs credited to AA anyway!).

Definitely more than 3.82 cpm, I think, as it only earns 50% RDM (unless something goes horribly wrong ;))

I was referring to BIS, at 50% RDM, it's "even worse"! 7.64 cpm for non-elite miles? For shame! :D

Yeah, the crazy thing is that I'm happy I missed out on it and that it put TLV on my radar screen. I think several buddies and I will fly an FD'ed *A TLV itin for the same price and actually earn elite miles (not that I need anymore EQM this year--already booked past 100k) and 200% RDM; and not have to drive, Amtrak, or Avios to NYC.

You mean put it on *A's radar screen ;). I'm already booked past 100k on AA (126k, with another 8k or so booked).

Just avoid the winter in TLV, April or May seem to be the best times to go there. I always try to go somewhere in late April or anytime in May, very few places in the world seem to have bad weather then.

Yes, it was the YQ that was left off the fare (that is what the OTA told me anyway).

How can I confirm that El Al would have honored the fare? Think I need to do that before I proceed with a complaint against the OTA for refusing to issue the ticket without demanding extra $ from me.

good point! I wonder how it works if the fare itself was intact but the YQ was forgotten. (That is what happened, isn't it?)

for the dates I was looking at in '12 & '13 it was $342 ai taxes were $168

a fare of $174 to be divided up by 3 different carriers that wouldnt even cover any of the costs of getting me there and back. cant see AA willing to take even the whole $174 for JFK-ZRH & LHR-JFK do you? LY is gonna have to pay them what they would have had the fare been the normal fare. 1 itin it was Swiss ZRH-TLV and the only LY segment was TLV-LHR

You mean put it on *A's radar screen ;). I'm already booked past 100k on AA (126k, with another 8k or so booked).

Just avoid the winter in TLV, April or May seem to be the best times to go there. I always try to go somewhere in late April or anytime in May, very few places in the world seem to have bad weather then.

For those who bought these TLV tickets with plans for nested tickets to/from India on these itineraries, April/May is amongst the worst times to go to most of India -- I consider May to be the worst time.

SWU are possible on this itin on AA operated flights....just confirmed w/ a friend

Any trick to getting AA to do it? I was just told no. To be fair, that's how it's supposed to work, but I want my upgrade!

Any trick to getting AA to do it? I was just told no. To be fair, that's how it's supposed to work, but I want my upgrade!

Try another agent. Try during midnight when the EXP desk is more calm. If anything, try the day of departure at the AA counter, Admirals Club, and last resort, the gate agent.

Be persistent

Please forgive me if I am using the wrong forum, I am new to this... I see that people reference searching Matrix for tix, can someone help me figure out how to search that database?

Please forgive me if I am using the wrong forum, I am new to this... I see that people reference searching Matrix for tix, can someone help me figure out how to search that database?
http://matrix.itasoftware.com/view/flights?session=26803953-4319-4520-81ff-26d9c5b75c98

this is to check prices only not to buy a ticket.

Any trick to getting AA to do it? I was just told no. To be fair, that's how it's supposed to work, but I want my upgrade!

Try another agent. Try during midnight when the EXP desk is more calm. If anything, try the day of departure at the AA counter, Admirals Club, and last resort, the gate agent.

Be persistent

I'm gonna call the EXP line tonight... see if anything is possible... but highly doubt it... on the bright side I have 21B to and from ZRH so shouldn't be that bad...

http://matrix.itasoftware.com/view/flights?session=26803953-4319-4520-81ff-26d9c5b75c98

this is to check prices only not to buy a ticket.

Unless it keeps timing out like it started to this p.m.

Others posted this earlier in other threads, but didn't happen to me until now.

EmailKid

Unless it keeps timing out like it started to this p.m.

See those BOS-TLV FD...

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/mileage-run-discussion/1374229-fare-gone-bos-tlv-tons-dates-fall-winter-420-pp.html

Try another agent. Try during midnight when the EXP desk is more calm. If anything, try the day of departure at the AA counter, Admirals Club, and last resort, the gate agent.

Be persistent

Yeah I once had luck upgrading on a LA-coded flight with the ticketing agent on the day of flight. I'll probably try a couple times between now and then. Any thoughts as to whether I should wait if and until C inventory becomes available?

thanks for your help, guys! figured it out. And seems that El Al will honor those fares after all (we got 6 tickets, yay!)

Yeah I once had luck upgrading on a LA-coded flight with the ticketing agent on the day of flight. I'll probably try a couple times between now and then. Any thoughts as to whether I should wait if and until C inventory becomes available?

I'd suggest trying to get the EXP agent to process your SWU, even if it has to be waitlisted

Just in case anyone changed his/her mind and want to cancel the booking bought from Priceline, you have till 11:30 P.M. Eastern Time tomorrow to call in to cancel. Phone number is 800-340-0575.

I would check if I were you just in case CSR gave wrong info cause from 7 A.M PST today, 24 hours should be 7 A.M PST tomorrow.

he call and file a DoT complaint. You could file a DoT complaint.

Use 399.88 as guidance: (“Therefore, if a consumer purchases a fare and that consumer receives confirmation (such as a confirmation email and/or the purchase appears on their credit card statement or online account summary) of their purchase, then the seller of air transportation cannot increase the price of that air transportation to that consumer, even when the fare is a “mistake.”)

Please visit this site: http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/escomplaint/es.cfm if you want to file a complaint.

Also, since it seems that UA filed a similar fare, I wouldn't consider this a mistake fare....

Actually I have no ticket # I looked in my e-mail and directly on El Al. My card was charged. Would just the charge support the complaint?

Yes. "A purchase is deemed to have occurred when the full amount agreed upon has been paid by the consumer." See 49 U.S.C. 41712 § 399.88(a)

I have AA LX combo. what earning do i get from the LX flight and where can I put it.
thanks,:confused:

Agreed, does anyone know on what basis LX segments accrue to *A?

I booked 3 sets of tickets by cheapoair.com, but on 1 res I made a mistake with the CC #, the ticket is booked, how can I make sure it will not cancel? (cheapoair.com said they can't change the CC)

Can I credit the AA segments to BA? Which fare class are they? Can I upgrade the tickets?

Agreed, does anyone know on what basis LX segments accrue to *A?

I lean towards 0 (since marketed by a non-*A carrier) unless crediting to Miles & More, where I still lean towards 0 as there is nothing listing El Al as a partner airline despite the obvious codeshare agreement.

I lean towards 0 (since marketed by a non-*A carrier) unless crediting to Miles & More, where I still lean towards 0 as there is nothing listing El Al as a partner airline despite the obvious codeshare agreement.

I thought the metal was the ultimate decision if something earns miles or not. If one is flying LX, than it should credit. I would ask to but your number on check in. But of course, the fare itself may be too low to earn ny miles at all.

For those who bought these TLV tickets with plans for nested tickets to/from India on these itineraries, April/May is amongst the worst times to go to most of India -- I consider May to be the worst time.

This is where the real fun begins. :D We've been to Israel before. I wouldn't mind going to IST for a few days, and Star Alliance has 35,000 mile roundtrip coach tix available for the short 2 hour flight. They also have routings via Vienna, with a long enough layover to get a sacher torte. ;) My wife told me not to go there, since we can get plenty of delicious sweets in Israel. :p

We have enough time to play with various ideas for nested trips.

dh

had 3 totally different experiences with 3 different EXP phone agents today

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ME: "Hi, I would like to add my AA EXP FF # to my upcoming reservation. Would you please locate me in the flight manifest as I do not have my record locator? "

EXP: "Sorry, I can't do that as it is a EL AL MARKETED AND OPERATED FLIGHT"

ME: Can you please give me the Record Locator?

EXP: Sure, it is ... XXXXX

Result: Sure enough, I looked up the record locator and was able to add my AA FF# all on www.aa.com

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ME "Hi, I would like for my girlfriend to sit next to me in the EXIT row, she's on a different PNR (gives her the PNR)"

EXP: "Sorry, I can not make any changes to the EL AL itinerary as you will need to contact them"

Conclusion: That wasn't the answer I was looking for, so I hung up and called again

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ME "Hi, I would like for my girlfriend to sit next to me in the EXIT row, she's on a different PNR (gives her the PNR)"

EXP: "Sure, I can do that for you.. looks like you're sitting in an EXIT row, would you like for her to sit next to you?"

ME: "Yes, please, on the outbound and the return flight as well. If you could please link the PNR's together, that would be great as well"

EXP: "Not a problem, it is all done.."

Conclusion: If you don't get the right answer the first time, hang up and call again. Thus, I was successful in securing EXIT row seats because of my status and my gf (no status) will get to get next to me.

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I could've probably had the last EXP agent process the SWU for me if I had any more left in my account. Just need my trip in Sept to conclude, so I could get 8 more SWU's for next year ;)

found my record locator number, picked seats!!!

What do you think El Al is going to want to add a Lap infant?

My brother added a lap infant to his reservation at the time of ticketing. The fee for the infant was $93.40 ($24 for the ticket price + $69.40 in taxes/fees). His routing is ORD-CDG-TLV and back.

Not sure what LY would charge now that the mistake has been fixed. I assume they'll want to charge 10% of the CURRENT price + taxes and fees. Note that the $24 ticket fee that my brother paid was 10% of the adult ticket base price.

I thought the metal was the ultimate decision if something earns miles or not. If one is flying LX, than it should credit. I would ask to but your number on check in. But of course, the fare itself may be too low to earn ny miles at all.

With Star Alliance it is indeed the metal that is the basis for whether a flight earns miles or not.

LX flight with an LY code will credit to Star Alliance programs under the rules applicable to LX metal flights. So if you are booked into an LX booking code that earns miles in your Star Alliance program of choice it will generally earn miles regardless of whether or not the marketing carrier (e.g. LY) is a partner in the Star Alliance program of your choice.

This is where the real fun begins. :D We've been to Israel before. I wouldn't mind going to IST for a few days, and Star Alliance has 35,000 mile roundtrip coach tix available for the short 2 hour flight. They also have routings via Vienna, with a long enough layover to get a sacher torte. ;) My wife told me not to go there, since we can get plenty of delicious sweets in Israel. :p

We have enough time to play with various ideas for nested trips.

dh

TLV is well located in regard to how it gets zoned by various frequent flyer programs, making for some rather well-priced arbitrage-type deals (in miles) for trips to places in whatever region (or even some regions beyond) TLV is located for purposes of a given frequent flyer program.

Either as part of nested trips, as part of de facto one-way trips, or to visit Israel, this has been a spectacular deal ..... even if it is just in coach.

Try another agent. Try during midnight when the EXP desk is more calm. If anything, try the day of departure at the AA counter, Admirals Club, and last resort, the gate agent.

Be persistent

If I see someone trying to pull this unwarranted upgrade fiasco at my gate, I am taking pics and posting online. Annoying people who insist on wasting the gate agent's time should be mocked in a public forum. :p

A friend of mine is a comedian and posted a funny piece about this mistake fare:

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-day-the-jews-killed-the-airline-search-sites/

I heard about I far too late :(

Was able to easily add AAdvantage # to the reservation with the agent this morning. No questions asked - # was added without any problems.

had 3 totally different experiences with 3 different EXP phone agents today

====================================
ME: "Hi, I would like to add my AA EXP FF # to my upcoming reservation. Would you please locate me in the flight manifest as I do not have my record locator? "

EXP: "Sorry, I can't do that as it is a EL AL MARKETED AND OPERATED FLIGHT"

ME: Can you please give me the Record Locator?

EXP: Sure, it is ... XXXXX

Result: Sure enough, I looked up the record locator and was able to add my AA FF# all on www.aa.com

==================================

ME "Hi, I would like for my girlfriend to sit next to me in the EXIT row, she's on a different PNR (gives her the PNR)"

EXP: "Sorry, I can not make any changes to the EL AL itinerary as you will need to contact them"

Conclusion: That wasn't the answer I was looking for, so I hung up and called again

====================================

ME "Hi, I would like for my girlfriend to sit next to me in the EXIT row, she's on a different PNR (gives her the PNR)"

EXP: "Sure, I can do that for you.. looks like you're sitting in an EXIT row, would you like for her to sit next to you?"

ME: "Yes, please, on the outbound and the return flight as well. If you could please link the PNR's together, that would be great as well"

EXP: "Not a problem, it is all done.."

Conclusion: If you don't get the right answer the first time, hang up and call again. Thus, I was successful in securing EXIT row seats because of my status and my gf (no status) will get to get next to me.

================


I could've probably had the last EXP agent process the SWU for me if I had any more left in my account. Just need my trip in Sept to conclude, so I could get 8 more SWU's for next year ;)

LY: ORD-TLV $370 all-in

kayak is indicating this fare published, along with expedia and orbitz, however I'm not able to pull the price. Maybe someone will have more luck.

Please merge, this is a fare has already been talked about yesterday!

A friend of mine is a comedian and posted a funny piece about this mistake fare:

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-day-the-jews-killed-the-airline-search-sites/

I heard about I far too late :(

Did he get in on the action?

How did I miss this?!?

Was able to easily add AAdvantage # to the reservation with the agent this morning. No questions asked - # was added without any problems.

I was on the phone with AA last night. I was told that I would not earn miles for the AA portions ( Jfk to Zurich, Zurich to JFK) as the fare code is 'NG"

I used the locator number for El Al for my AA and it doesn't show up on record.

Was able to easily add AAdvantage # to the reservation with the agent this morning. No questions asked - # was added without any problems.

you can add any frequent flyer number to any ticket, that is no deal. the question is, how many miles will you earn on AA. Most likely not 100%, but only 50%.

I was on the phone with AA last night. I was told that I would not earn miles for the AA portions ( Jfk to Zurich, Zurich to JFK) as the fare code is 'NG"

I used the locator number for El Al for my AA and it doesn't show up on record.

log on to aa.com. go to your trips. go to "find reservation". type in your name and one of the aa flights you will be on. your reservation will come up. by doing so I can now see that I am booked into G class (according to AA record locator, not El Al's record locator), which would earn 50% on AA. So, you better double check. Should be the same for all of us.

http://www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php/Inventory_Classes_and_Mileage_Eligibility_(AA)

N & S codes - 100% EQM on AA metal, but only 50% EQP (elite qualifying points, a la AA status challenge if one needs to qualify on points)

log on to aa.com. go to your trips. go to "find reservation". type in your name and one of the aa flights you will be on. your reservation will come up. by doing so I can now see that I am booked into G class (according to AA record locator, not El Al's record locator), which would earn 50% on AA. So, you better double check. Should be the same for all of us.

mine show up as AA flight numbers and N/S class...

a friend CXed their tkts, ElAl it seems will have to pay the other Carriers out of its own pockets for the segments that arent on ElAl according to a VP of ElAl here in the US.

They maybe able to get it back by suing the 3rd party if that compamy has ins, but thats yrs off and ElAl will have to eat the loss for now and not sure if in fact they will be able to get any of it back

oh sorry, i got confused in my earlier post:

yes, it is N class on AA (according to AA record locator).

however, the marketing carrier (El Al) rules.

according to El Al's record locator, AA flights booked into G.

G will earn 50% with El Al marketed flights on AA according to AA.com

so, expect 50% credit on AA.

(it is different with Star Alliance. Over there, the operating carrier rules wihich would be AA in our case. Unfortunately, it is Oneworld, not Star.)

mine show up as AA flight numbers and N/S class...

mine show up as G/N class on the AA flights

a friend CXed their tkts, ElAl it seems will have to pay the other Carriers out of its own pockets for the segments that arent on ElAl according to a VP of ElAl here in the US.

They maybe able to get it back by suing the 3rd party if that compamy has ins, but thats yrs off and ElAl will have to eat the loss for now and not sure if in fact they will be able to get any of it back

LY probably should have its own insurance too. When airlines rely upon fuel surcharges that are a huge proportion of a ticket price, I don't shed a tear for them when they end up in a situation like this.

LY probably should have its own insurance too. When airlines rely upon fuel surcharges that are a huge proportion of a ticket price, I don't shed a tear for them when they end up in a situation like this.

Most folks on FT would agree 100% with you, there are some others that maybe wouldnt want to cause any monetary damages to ElAl. that most likely will affect not many here on FT who see no difference between LY from SQ,AA,UA,BA etc etc and I fully understand that

Smart move on El Al's side.... They published a mistake fare and once they realized it, they pulled the fare and said they will honor the issued tickets.
Nice change of pace from Travelocity and "Untied". No need for DoT complaints, just a waiting game to see how many miles will credit :) :D

its kind of funny how people are trying to trade tickets over on dansdeals.com. everybody there seems to think you can switch names on tickets once bought. that is simply not possible as airlines do not allow name changes. .-)

+1,000

I was laughing at that this AM as well

you can add any frequent flyer number to any ticket, that is no deal. the question is, how many miles will you earn on AA. Most likely not 100%, but only 50%.


The itinerary is attached to my AA account now. It has a different locator than El Al so I think it would follow by AA rules for awarding points for travel.

AA Flight 64 and 65 are from/to JFK to Zurich in booking class "N". According to the website, I should get 100% miles. Swiss Airlines is not AA partner so I won't get points for Zurich to Tel Aviv

log on to aa.com. go to your trips. go to "find reservation". type in your name and one of the aa flights you will be on. your reservation will come up. by doing so I can now see that I am booked into G class (according to AA record locator, not El Al's record locator), which would earn 50% on AA. So, you better double check. Should be the same for all of us.

Mine has a different locator number than El Al. On AA, it shows "N" booking class, not G. JFK to Zurich

The Swiss Flight has the booking class of "G"- Zurich to Tel Aviv

its kind of funny how people are trying to trade tickets over on dansdeals.com. everybody there seems to think you can switch names on tickets once bought. that is simply not possible as airlines do not allow name changes. .-)

I looked at dans deals and was worried about the frequency of mentioning unborn/lap infants. Maybe this flight will be its own punishment...

The itinerary is attached to my AA account now. It has a different locator than El Al so I think it would follow by AA rules for awarding points for travel.

AA Flight 64 and 65 are from/to JFK to Zurich in booking class "N". According to the website, I should get 100% miles. Swiss Airlines is not AA partner so I won't get points for Zurich to Tel Aviv

Sorry to disappoint you.

Your ticket was issued on El Al ticket stock - no matter, if your AAdvantage number is attached or not. The AAdvantage number only means that your miles will go to AAdvantage and not to El Al's frequent flyer program. The number of miles however is determined by the fact that your ticket was issued by El Al and your AA flights were sold with El Al flight numbers. Go to aa.com, and look up the chart for earning miles on El Al. It tells you, booking into G means 50% (the operating carrier does not matter!!!). If you don't believe me, call AA.

Sorry to disappoint you.

Your ticket was issued on El Al ticket stock - no matter, if your AAdvantage number is attached or not. The AAdvantage number only means that your miles will go to AAdvantage and not to El Al's frequent flyer program. The number of miles however is determined by the fact that your ticket was issued by El Al and your AA flights were sold with El Al flight numbers. Go to aa.com, and look up the chart for earning miles on El Al. It tells you, booking into G means 50% (the operating carrier does not matter!!!). If you don't believe me, call AA.


Earn miles when flying on EL AL marketed and operated flights for travel on an eligible published fare ticket. Miles are also earned on EL AL codeshare flights operated by American Airlines.

http://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/earnMiles/travel/airlines/elAl.jsp

Earn miles when flying on EL AL marketed and operated flights for travel on an eligible published fare ticket. Miles are also earned on EL AL codeshare flights operated by American Airlines.

http://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/earnMiles/travel/airlines/elAl.jsp

Also there is the chart verifying his info. El Al G-class (what is coded on the e-ticket) = 50%

El Al
Discount Economy Class G,L, N, T, V 50%

DELETED. Record Found

Why can't Skyteam make such mistake?

its kind of funny how people are trying to trade tickets over on dansdeals.com. everybody there seems to think you can switch names on tickets once bought. that is simply not possible as airlines do not allow name changes. .-)

Loved how some of those GREEDY folks over there were counting up their profits thinking theyd sell their tkts for $100s more then they paid.

Possibily even worse no mention about the OP and Her post here on FT which I believe was way before anyone posted anything on DD, thats just how it is over there they want everyone to think they were the ones who found it, while most likely they did but on another site and not by themsleves

Loved how some of those GREEDY folks over there were counting up their profits thinking theyd sell their tkts for $100s more then they paid.

Possibily even worse no mention about the OP and his post here on FT which I believe was way before anyone posted anything on DD, thats just how it is over there they want everyone to think they were the ones who found it, while most likely they did but on another site and not by themsleves

You mean *her* post here on FT. ;)

I am actually LOL'ing about how much action this deal generated across the net!

You mean *her* post here on FT. ;)

I am actually LOL'ing about how much action this deal generated across the net!

My BAD was thinking of saying 'their post..' it will be correcetd in 2 secs Sorry

btw the way Ive yet to see where anyone posted about this before you did and yet I cant recall seeing even 1 mention of your post and FT, guess they want everyone to think they are some kind of genius or something , when they should have been Thanking You

A friend of mine is a comedian and posted a funny piece about this mistake fare:

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-day-the-jews-killed-the-airline-search-sites/



That was very funny, more so if you 'get it'. ;)


Todah Rabah to the OP <means thank you very much.

Sorry to disappoint you.

Your ticket was issued on El Al ticket stock - no matter, if your AAdvantage number is attached or not. The AAdvantage number only means that your miles will go to AAdvantage and not to El Al's frequent flyer program. The number of miles however is determined by the fact that your ticket was issued by El Al and your AA flights were sold with El Al flight numbers. Go to aa.com, and look up the chart for earning miles on El Al. It tells you, booking into G means 50% (the operating carrier does not matter!!!). If you don't believe me, call AA.

I will be happy with 50% if I don't receive 100%. $336 is a terrific deal and includes mileage points:)

Also there is the chart verifying his info. El Al G-class (what is coded on the e-ticket) = 50%

El Al
Discount Economy Class G,L, N, T, V 50%


Yes you get base miles but they are NOT, EQM they are RDM. Look at the El Al page and look at Alaska Airlines as an example the wording and guidance is very different.