Hilton HHonors - The "official" Q4 Promo speculation thread

Well Hyatt released their fall promo, so it is time to speculate away.

(I love these threads) :D

My guess for the 4th quarter Hilton Promo
5 Chase UR points per dollar spend at any hilton upto $1500 if you use the chase fredom card, oh and you will be entered into a raffle for a giraffe

Only at those properties with a helipad...

I'm guessing 4Q may be another free night for every 4 stays promo or alike but that's just speculation.

Its probably the only way I'm going to resume using Hilton - this Diamond has only had 8 stays this year and has skipped Hilton for the last 2 trips. I'm sick of the 'minefield' of non-participating hotels.

I am going with 100,000 points for each lepaurchan you can catch at a hilton property :)

I am going with 100,000 points for each lepaurchan you can catch at a hilton property :)

I think it will be, if you find the unicorn in your bed, you win a free continental breakfast at participating locations on your next stay. And 50 bonus points!!!

I think it will be, if you find the unicorn in your bed, you win a free continental breakfast at participating locations on your next stay. And 50 bonus points!!!

Of course... you will need to check the large opt out list.

My guess is Hilton will suspend and confiscate all points for anyone who starts a thread more than 30 days in advance of the quarter in question.

Of course... you will need to check the large opt out list.

Thats because Unicorns and Lepaurchans are only at participating properties :)

Thats because Unicorns and Lepaurchans are only at participating properties :)

You mean leprechauns? Anyway, must be the spirit, humor and endless patience of the flyertalking HH members that keeps me staying with Hilton hotels - of sympathy :cool: I include the Hilton team members into my reflections - sitting with us in the same boat ^

What a relief--I have been waiting for this post for weeks with rabid anticipation..... :D

What a relief--I have been waiting for this post for weeks with rabid anticipation..... :D

Hope you've gotten your rabies shots!

I surmise that the 4Q promo will probably begin around the first week in October, and will include, but not limited to of course, complimentary bathrooms for any rooms booked on the Hilton website, subject to your being at least Hilton Exalted Platinum/Diamond or Iridium, and checking in with your penguin. Caution though, be sure to check for participating properties in nearby states or countries should your first choices be unavailable upon booking.

Triple points for the first night, declining to double for the second, and single the third, however, if your stay includes a Tuesday, the points scheme may be reversed up to quadruple for Golds and above. See the T&C for more information prior to booking.

Of course, and that goes without saying....YMMV!!!

bj-21.

Free cert, good for 6 months for every 4 stays/10 nights.

You heard it here first...

I don't speculate, I recite facts....


Hyatt has released theirs.

Marriott has released theirs.

Best Western has just released theirs.

As now, has Starwood.

IHG releases theirs on a revolving basis.

So, Hilton what is yours and where is yours?

Of all the threads on FT these are always my favourites.

I'm hoping we get Q4FNs.

But it will probably be double points if your stay includes a Thursday and you have a hammer toe. Non hammer toed individuals will be eligible if their stay includes a Tuesday and a Saturday at properties with an odd number of guest rooms and an even number of working light bulbs.

Good point about the light bulbs, that's why I always have a small MagLite in my carryon. Came in handy for power outages.

Without any speculation on my part though, and with acknowledging the post by NJUPINTHEAIR, it would most definately appear that Hilton has waited for all the other chains to release their promos for the coming quarter to take all and only the best parts of those other chains offers and combine them into one fantabulously unsurpassable bonus offering for the last quarter so they can call it...."The Best of the Rest"! :cool:

Of course I'm just guessing, not speculating though.

bj-21.

Puh-lease! All of you hoping for Q4FN's need a reality check. Don't get me wrong. I'd LOVE to see something like that. I just don't think it's in the cards. My bet is that Hilton played the waiting game to see what the other chains came up with and react accordingly. Let's be honest...there isn't anything too exciting out there. So Hilton, ignoring a chance to poach a decent amount of business by actually offering a rewarding promo, chooses to fall in line with the rest and offers something like "regular points for first 10 nights, double points for nights 11-20, and triple points for nights 21+."

The only possible way they'd consider a certificate promo would be to appeal to the newly minted Gold members approved for the Citi Reserve card.

Here's hoping I'm wrong!

While I agree that the current reward program climate does nothing to suggest a strong promotion, I'm putting some stock in Ravenboy's free night prediction. He accurately called the Q2 promo and was half right on the Q3 promo, so his source seems to have some credibility.

As far as Hhonors waiting until the last minute to announce, that is nothing new. Their MO is to announce a promo about a week before it starts.

[QUOTE=Voodoo Daddy;19177093

As far as Hhonors waiting until the last minute to announce, that is nothing new. Their MO is to announce a promo about a week before it starts.[/QUOTE]

They have also been known to announce it about a week after it has already started :D

I am honestly surprised that the others have announced their promos as early as they have, especially given how lackluster they are. It would be one thing if Hyatt was offering a "Stay Two, Get One" promo or something like this, but none of the Q4 offerings seem worth the fact that they began hyping them over a month in advance.

Now...bets on when the promo will be announced? I vote for September 24th. ;)

Now...bets on when the promo will be announced? I vote for September 24th. ;)

December 25th!

I am honestly surprised that the others have announced their promos as early as they have, especially given how lackluster they are. It would be one thing if Hyatt was offering a "Stay Two, Get One" promo or something like this, but none of the Q4 offerings seem worth the fact that they began hyping them over a month in advance.

Now...bets on when the promo will be announced? I vote for September 24th. ;)

Yes,

but like any true promotion, it is also to benefit the hotelier, as well.

Could it be that hotel bookings are softening for this period?

You bet they are ... at least in Europe and with continued uncertainty over here, I am not surprised, at all.

Now...bets on when the promo will be announced? I vote for September 24th. ;)

They are probably going to run till last minute begging/cajoling/threatening to get participation so they actually look like a consistent brand.

I'm sick of the 'minefield' of non-participating hotels.

Wow...forgot to check the list of those properties opting out of the 3Q promo.
Thanks for the reminder.

Just cancelled a two-night stay at the PHL Airport Hilton for later this month.
(Property is on the 3Q12 "we're not gonna participate" list.)

Wow...forgot to check the list of those properties opting out of the 3Q promo.
Thanks for the reminder.

Just cancelled a two-night stay at the PHL Airport Hilton for later this month.
(Property is on the 3Q12 "we're not gonna participate" list.)

I wanted to stay at a new property (Homewood Canton, MA). I didn't check the list and didn't realize it until after I called to check on the missing points.

I would be VERY pleased if the promo was like q4 two years ago in 2010.

I think the regular promo was double or triple points/miles.

And then there was the Delta MQM promo.

And for diamonds there was the free night certificate for every ten nights stayed.

Nice thing was I was able to combine all three promos. I had a lot of hilton stays that year and ended up with 2 or 3 free nights, a bunch of points and some MQM's on Delta.

I don't see that happening though and would be happy if they had last years promos of the free night with every 10 nights/4 stays and the Delta MQM promos.

I think the regular promo was double or triple points/miles.


Both Conrad and W=A are doing their own Q4 promo with 1000 bonus UA miles per night from Sept 1 (I received the email on Aug.31) til Dec.31

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/hilton-hhonors/1383088-1k-united-mp-bonus-night-conrad-wa-hotels.html

I vote for airline miles!, Double?, triple?, quadruple? :D

Or how about points+points+miles ??? :D

Whatever the promo is I hope that they remove the London hotels from the "Non Participating" list. This was a deal breaker for me. Upto Q3 I was pretty loyal to Hilton. My 2/3 nights per week over the last couple of years were always in Hiltons. All in all I was a happy HH diamond & the benefits I was getting from Hilton.

When I saw that none of my chosen hotels (about 10) would be in Q3 I decided to look at other chains. Luck would have it, Marriott sent me a promo email for their Q3. This included a free night cert for every 2 stays (3 certs max). I joined this promo and mailed their rewards who status matched me instantly to gold. So in Jun/Jul/Aug I managed to rack up over a 150K points and 3 free night certs. I also received an email from their rewards asking me to join Q4 promo which is exactly the same as Q3. So it looks like another 3 certs for me + points.

I also find the quality of the Marriotts in London I stay at are slightly better than the Hiltons for the rate I pay. So the HH Q4 promo will have to be pretty good for me to move back.

Whatever the promo is I hope that they remove the London hotels from the "Non Participating" list. This was a deal breaker for me.

I assume most of the London hotels will participate in Q4. The non-participation in Q3 will mostly have been a one-off due to some sort of international sporting events that took place.

I assume most of the London hotels will participate in Q4. The non-participation in Q3 will mostly have been a one-off due to some sort of international sporting events that took place.

I think they call them the Olympic Games!! :D

Puh-lease! ... Let's be honest...there isn't anything too exciting out there....
The only possible way they'd consider a certificate promo would be to appeal to the newly minted Gold members approved for the Citi Reserve card.

Here's hoping I'm wrong!

I actually quite like the SPG Q4 promo. But maybe that has something to do with my 3x 21 night stays coming up. IF HH comes out with something nice I might consider moving those to the Hilton next door. Something like 4x points for stays of 4 nights or more would be nice. ;) Q3FN...maybe....

I actually quite like the SPG Q4 promo. But maybe that has something to do with my 3x 21 night stays coming up. IF HH comes out with something nice I might consider moving those to the Hilton next door. Something like 4x points for stays of 4 nights or more would be nice. ;) Q3FN...maybe....

WOW! That will work out very nice for you. Most of my stays are 1-nighters (max is 3), so I was critiquing the other chains' programs given my usual stay patterns. If I had a 21-night stay, I would LOVE the SPG one. But you're right...if Hilton comes up with a good one, you could hop back and forth every few nights and maximize your earnings.

a DD rep accidentally read off Q4 promo to me yesterday when i called regarding another issue. she said 1000 pts per night :( if true, i will be at a starwood property in Q4. i am almost double diamond as of end of sept. i wish HH had a sapphire or something above diamond with some little extras, maybe some extra points. aaah, wishful thinking.

a DD rep accidentally read off Q4 promo to me yesterday when i called regarding another issue. she said 1000 pts per night :( if true, i will be at a starwood property in Q4. i am almost double diamond as of end of sept. i wish HH had a sapphire or something above diamond with some little extras, maybe some extra points. aaah, wishful thinking.

That's the weakest of all. And didn't we already have that earlier this year?

That's the weakest of all. And didn't we already have that earlier this year?

Q1 + 5k points for a weekend.

a DD rep accidentally read off Q4 promo to me yesterday when i called regarding another issue. she said 1000 pts per night :( if true, i will be at a starwood property in Q4. i am almost double diamond as of end of sept. i wish HH had a sapphire or something above diamond with some little extras, maybe some extra points. aaah, wishful thinking.

Agreed on all fronts. 1000 pts per night is a drop in the bucket. And I've long said HH needs a level above Diamond. Like you, I have doubled the Diamond requirements the last 6 years.

Agreed on all fronts. 1000 pts per night is a drop in the bucket. And I've long said HH needs a level above Diamond. Like you, I have doubled the Diamond requirements the last 6 years.

I had 144 nights last year. I will have a bit fewer this year as I moved a lot of stays from Hampton to Hyatt Place during a great promotion earlier in the year. Earned 55K points and Platinum.

Instead of a level above Diamond, I would suggest they consider differentiation between BIB (Butts in Beds) customers and those that earn it in other ways.

I had 144 nights last year. I will have a bit fewer this year as I moved a lot of stays from Hampton to Hyatt Place during a great promotion earlier in the year. Earned 55K points and Platinum.

Instead of a level above Diamond, I would suggest they consider differentiation between BIB (Butts in Beds) customers and those that earn it in other ways.

+1

It's an issue across all chains as they look to make more money out of (or, possibly just close the funding gap of) their loyalty program. But it dilutes benefits to regular stays who are, after all, the main business they're in.

There was a post in the IHG forum from a guy surprised at benefits given to him as a plat on an award stay, (in fact the benefits he'd expected wouldn't have been given on a revenue stay either.)

He had acheived plat, the program's top status, from the My Coke Rewards thingy. Without a way of differentiating him (0 stays last year) to me (98) how is a hotel to actually be expected to take it seriously?

+1

It's an issue across all chains as they look to make more money out of (or, possibly just close the funding gap of) their loyalty program. But it dilutes benefits to regular stays who are, after all, the main business they're in.

There was a post in the IHG forum from a guy surprised at benefits given to him as a plat on an award stay, (in fact the benefits he'd expected wouldn't have been given on a revenue stay either.)

He had acheived plat, the program's top status, from the My Coke Rewards thingy. Without a way of differentiating him (0 stays last year) to me (98) how is a hotel to actually be expected to take it seriously?

I have had a total of 6 nights with Hyatt this year (2 of the six were free due to the credit card offer) and I am platnium so it isn't just Hilton. I got the credit card though because of no foreign exchange fees (this was before the citi hilton reserve was out) and I was travelling to London and between that and the two free night promo and two free suite upgrades, I figured it was worth paying the fee for.

Same with Airlines. If you have a Delta Reserve am ex you can be silver by just charging $60K a year and not stepping foot on a delta plane. And most airlines credit cards give you priority boarding by just having their card.

And not to mention airline lounges. I think there are more people that enter the skyclubs as am ex cardholders than people who pay for a membership

so is the understanding the only 4Q deal is 1,000 points...and nothing else?

Guh. There goes my Q4 Hilton stays if true. I'm 4 short of double diamond for the year right now.

I actually quite like the SPG Q4 promo. But maybe that has something to do with my 3x 21 night stays coming up. IF HH comes out with something nice I might consider moving those to the Hilton next door. Something like 4x points for stays of 4 nights or more would be nice. ;) Q3FN...maybe....


Me not at all and I hope that HHonors comes with a nice promotion but you know, it's only a hope!

Instead of a level above Diamond, I would suggest they consider differentiation between BIB (Butts in Beds) customers and those that earn it in other ways.

But it dilutes benefits to regular stays who are, after all, the main business they're in.
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He had acheived plat, the program's top status, from the My Coke Rewards thingy. Without a way of differentiating him (0 stays last year) to me (98) how is a hotel to actually be expected to take it seriously?
It is quite conceivable that the hotels' core business is not their most profitable business. Maximizing profit and focusing on your core business are not always the same thing.

These figures are just guesstimates, but I think they are not unreasonable: Someone who spends $40k on an Amex gets Diamond Status. Say Hilton gets 1% of the total spend, or $400. Considering the average hotel's gross profit margin is 30%, a BIB-Diamond would need to spend $1300 or so to generate the same amount of profit, or ~10-15 nights in an HI/HGI. Plus the Surpass Diamond will not generate any incremental costs for the hotels unless they actually stay the night in a Hilton, and there is a good chance they will generate additional revenue during that stay. Even on an awards stay, they are likely only taking up excess capacity, with a small cost for cleaning the room, bottled water, and breakfast.

I think the Surpass Diamond who stays a few nights per year at Hilton has the potential to be far more profitable than a BIB-Diamond. The BIB may generate more revenue, but they also have higher costs.

And back on topic... Yes, 1000 points is a very sad promo.

so is the understanding the only 4Q deal is 1,000 points...and nothing else?

No, I'm hearing double points, *or* 1 free night for every 4 stays or 10 nights.

Bob H

No, I'm hearing double points, *or* 1 free night for every 4 stays or 10 nights.

Bob H

I hope you are corrrect. And I hope they bring back the Delta MQM promo

what does this have to do with Hilton Q4 promo? this seems to belong either in the DL thread or CC thread but has NOTHING to do with the topic except to vent an opinion with no hotel reference as airlines/airline lounges operate totally different then hotels, or do you think hotels now code-share!

If you have a Delta Reserve am ex you can be silver by just charging $60K a year and not stepping foot on a delta plane. And most airlines credit cards give you priority boarding by just having their card.

And not to mention airline lounges. I think there are more people that enter the skyclubs as am ex cardholders than people who pay for a membership

It is quite conceivable that the hotels' core business is not their most profitable business. Maximizing profit and focusing on your core business are not always the same thing.

These figures are just guesstimates, but I think they are not unreasonable: Someone who spends $40k on an Amex gets Diamond Status. Say Hilton gets 1% of the total spend, or $400. Considering the average hotel's gross profit margin is 30%, a BIB-Diamond would need to spend $1300 or so to generate the same amount of profit, or ~10-15 nights in an HI/HGI. Plus the Surpass Diamond will not generate any incremental costs for the hotels unless they actually stay the night in a Hilton, and there is a good chance they will generate additional revenue during that stay. Even on an awards stay, they are likely only taking up excess capacity, with a small cost for cleaning the room, bottled water, and breakfast.

I think the Surpass Diamond who stays a few nights per year at Hilton has the potential to be far more profitable than a BIB-Diamond. The BIB may generate more revenue, but they also have higher costs.

And back on topic... Yes, 1000 points is a very sad promo.

Based on your figures, profit from Surpass Diamond could be as low as $400 (no BIB stays). However, to earn BIB-Diamond, one has to have a minimum of:

28 Stays - at $100/night in HI/HGI, 28 one night stays, and 30% gross profit margin, that is $840 profit
60 nights - with the same analysis, that is $1800 profit
100k base points - for $10,000 spend, and 30% profit, that is $3000 profit


ln the BIB cases, the profit is after the costs associated with having a customer in the hotels is accounted for. For the stays and nights examples, these are roughly the minimums. A client favoring Conrads, for instance, will have much higher revenues and profits, and not too many Diamonds will make it only on 28 one night stays.

It is definitely more profitable (based on the percentages you provided - I can't vouch for these) for Hilton to have BIB Diamonds than those who only use credit-card spending to earn it. Of course, why would someone only use the credit card? They must plan to spend some nights in Hilton family hotels.

IMHO this topic has gone wildly OT... :)

a DD rep accidentally read off Q4 promo to me yesterday when i called regarding another issue. she said 1000 pts per night :( if true, i will be at a starwood property in Q4. i am almost double diamond as of end of sept. i wish HH had a sapphire or something above diamond with some little extras, maybe some extra points. aaah, wishful thinking.

You nailed it. I did secure the actual promo sheet again like I did in Q2. (Sorry about Q3 but I was half right, didn't ever get the memo in hand until day before and had already signed up) It is 1000 points per night. The strange thing about this internal memo is it says Nov 1- Dec 31. I hope that was a typo. If not there will be no promo for October.

No, I'm hearing double points, *or* 1 free night for every 4 stays or 10 nights.

Bob H

I hope you're right also. I'm going to be short some stays to make Diamond this year. I wouldn't mind doing mattress runs in increments of 4. :p

... It is 1000 points per night. The strange thing about this internal memo is it says Nov 1- Dec 31. I hope that was a typo. If not there will be no promo for October.

- No problem ... because SPG runs a promo that starts on Oct. 1

It is quite conceivable that the hotels' core business is not their most profitable business. Maximizing profit and focusing on your core business are not always the same thing.

These figures are just guesstimates, but I think they are not unreasonable: Someone who spends $40k on an Amex gets Diamond Status. Say Hilton gets 1% of the total spend, or $400. Considering the average hotel's gross profit margin is 30%, a BIB-Diamond would need to spend $1300 or so to generate the same amount of profit, or ~10-15 nights in an HI/HGI. Plus the Surpass Diamond will not generate any incremental costs for the hotels unless they actually stay the night in a Hilton, and there is a good chance they will generate additional revenue during that stay. Even on an awards stay, they are likely only taking up excess capacity, with a small cost for cleaning the room, bottled water, and breakfast.

I think the Surpass Diamond who stays a few nights per year at Hilton has the potential to be far more profitable than a BIB-Diamond. The BIB may generate more revenue, but they also have higher costs.

And back on topic... Yes, 1000 points is a very sad promo.

Whats the cost for driving away you loyal customers? Two years ago Iwas at 200+ nights at Hiltons and +300k base points, last year was 140 nigts andthis year I am at 70 without a change in traveltime. At an average 110€/night Hilton lost over 20k $ in revenue from me because I grew tired of overrun lounges and hotels without status recognition. Thats a lot of credit card holders spending 40k and e. g. in Germany you dont have to spend a cent with your credit card to get free gold status...

Well perhaps 1000 points isnt that bad if you stay at a cheap Hampton Inn. I stayed at one for $70 and got triple points...the 1,000 points, under that circumstance isnt that much worse, right?

Of course, for a Hilton for 3-5nights the 1,000 points isnt good at all, given the general costs of the hotel

what does this have to do with Hilton Q4 promo? this seems to belong either in the DL thread or CC thread but has NOTHING to do with the topic except to vent an opinion with no hotel reference as airlines/airline lounges operate totally different then hotels, or do you think hotels now code-share!

No more to do with the topic than the post I was replying to:) Or a lot of the posts on here referencing other hotels promos.

To get this back on topic, I would love to a promo similar to q4-2010 for Hilton. general promo was I believe double points, MQMs on Delta, and a promo for diamonds for a free night for every 10 nights in Q4 and all three could be combined. While double points isn't much of a promo I wouldn't have a problem at all with it if they bring back the Delta MQM promo and the promo for diamonds for the free night.

Actually the hotel should have already released info, since Q4 starts on 1st Oct, its already the last 2 weeks of Q3...

Slow...

If the 1 November start date is correct, maybe Hilton has decided to use the month of October as a test to see how many stays are driven by the points promotions and how many of the stays would have happened anyway.

I strongly suspect that Hilton (and maybe all other mid and upscale hotel chains) are asking themselves how to go about weening us off of high cost promotions. The chains probably thought they were a necessary evil during the recession but now I think they would like to go back to a more normal way of doing promotions.

I will only have 2 stays in the 4th quarter -- and the first is an award stay.

The second is costing me $67.64 per night for three nights.

In short, Hilton could be giving 10 times the normal points and I still would not gain very much.

If the 1 November start date is correct, maybe Hilton has decided to use the month of October as a test to see how many stays are driven by the points promotions and how many of the stays would have happened anyway.

I strongly suspect that Hilton (and maybe all other mid and upscale hotel chains) are asking themselves how to go about weening us off of high cost promotions.

Targeted promotions - same demographic, some offered a promo and others not - would get at the same thing. Hilton seems to prefer full-spectrum promos (or maybe I just never get targeted!)

The idea that Hilton has to run a promo every quarter, and ought to make sure the next promo starts just as one ends, shows how deeply goes the entitlement culture and lack of real loyalty with quite a few in the FT crowd.

This offer would probably drive me to use Marriott primarily for Q4. But I have no issues jumping between the two programs, and I will stay in a Hilton when it's the best option. Honestly we so many Hilton's opting out, their promos can be challenging.

I find it funny there are always comments of this promo stinks, im taking my bussiness to SPG, a few months ago i decided i would try an spg property in San Diego to see what they were like, let me tell you I will be sticking with Hilton even without a promo.

I find it funny there are always comments of this promo stinks, im taking my bussiness to SPG, a few months ago i decided i would try an spg property in San Diego to see what they were like, let me tell you I will be sticking with Hilton even without a promo.

- Well, I will be taking business to SPG because (i) I have re qualified in both programs, (ii) SPG has a promo, and (iii) I will be getting additional benefits when logging extra nights with SPG.
I have stayed in all SPG properties in San Diego except Four Points and Sheraton Mission Valley. All the hotels I stayed were fine.

The idea that Hilton has to run a promo every quarter, and ought to make sure the next promo starts just as one ends, shows how deeply goes the entitlement culture and lack of real loyalty with quite a few in the FT crowd.

I don't understand this commentary.

How do you think Walmart or Costco does business? Do you think they stick with suppliers who don'tr give them the lowest price for the best product? They are relentless.

Why should consumers play by a different set of rulers? Why should they be the sheep happy to be slaughtered? What is loyalty to a company? The loyalty program is a mind game to manipulate consumers. They are after my money. That is all.

In real life, loyalty means that the person who put you up when you were down is someone you help up when they are down. I do not see how loyalty really applies to hotel chains in the true sense of the word. They either want your business or they do not.

I do not see how loyalty really applies to hotel chains in the true sense of the word. They either want your business or they do not.

As practiced by acutely promo-sensitive customers who tend to be very vocal in threads like these, there is no loyalty. It exposes the shallowness of remarks of the form 'I guess they don't want my loyalty this quarter,' because no loyalty is offered by (such) guests - it's all promo-driven (and promo is just a narrower form of price). So, let's cut the charades and foolish talk about loyalty and 'best customers'.

I happen to agree with your sentiment that loyalty to a faceless, profit-maximizing business is an odd concept. Showing appreciation and consideration to a small group of people at a specific property who routinely show care and excellence is quite a different story.

As practiced by acutely promo-sensitive customers who tend to be very vocal in threads like these, there is no loyalty. It exposes the shallowness of remarks of the form 'I guess they don't want my loyalty this quarter,' because no loyalty is offered by (such) guests - it's all promo-driven (and promo is just a narrower form of price). So, let's cut the charades and foolish talk about loyalty and 'best customers'.

I happen to agree with your sentiment that loyalty to a faceless, profit-maximizing business is an odd concept. Showing appreciation and consideration to a small group of people at a specific property who routinely show care and excellence is quite a different story.

Yes, it is difficult to support the argument that FT'ers, in general, are the best customers of the various hotel chains. I, for one, readily acknowledge that although I am a "frequent traveler," I am a decidedly unprofitable customer. I pay the government rate and I consistently game the promotions via hotel hopping, etc., to reap the greatest possible benefit for myself. Also, I know the T&C's better than a typical non-FT-reading hotel guest, so if I'm shorted any promised benefits I will object. Clearly I am not being loyal, and I don't expect hotel chains to be loyal to me. They are corporations which are beholden to shareholders to maximize profit. If management of these corporations determine that promotions, or even loyalty programs altogether, are not in the best interest of shareholders, they can and should stop offering them. Here's hoping they don't start coming to these conclusions.

As practiced by acutely promo-sensitive customers who tend to be very vocal in threads like these, there is no loyalty. It exposes the shallowness of remarks of the form 'I guess they don't want my loyalty this quarter,' because no loyalty is offered by (such) guests - it's all promo-driven (and promo is just a narrower form of price). So, let's cut the charades and foolish talk about loyalty and 'best customers'.

I happen to agree with your sentiment that loyalty to a faceless, profit-maximizing business is an odd concept. Showing appreciation and consideration to a small group of people at a specific property who routinely show care and excellence is quite a different story.

I agree with this, but I think a volume customer is still a great customer to have. A really loyal customer that stays once a year is fine, but it doesn't pay the bills.

I too think great customer service should be rewarded with loyalty, but even that will have its limits.

Stayed at hilton 78 nights this year so far. Half of what I did last year. Just for the fact that they dropped SW as partner and other programs have better offers.

Yes, it is difficult to support the argument that FT'ers, in general, are the best customers of the various hotel chains. I, for one, readily acknowledge that although I am a "frequent traveler," I am a decidedly unprofitable customer. I pay the government rate and I consistently game the promotions via hotel hopping, etc., to reap the greatest possible benefit for myself. Also, I know the T&C's better than a typical non-FT-reading hotel guest, so if I'm shorted any promised benefits I will object. Clearly I am not being loyal, and I don't expect hotel chains to be loyal to me. They are corporations which are beholden to shareholders to maximize profit. If management of these corporations determine that promotions, or even loyalty programs altogether, are not in the best interest of shareholders, they can and should stop offering them. Here's hoping they don't start coming to these conclusions.

I totally agree with you. Frequent user does not equate to loyal user by any means. Loyalty means that you stay with the chain (or airline, or product, or whatever), even if it is not the best deal around - because you like the chain (airline, product, etc') enough to put value on using it even when you can get comparable service otherwise.

But then again, promos are not meant for the loyal customers (they will be there anyway). They are a marketing tools to influence the none loyal customers, who are price/points/benefit sensitive.

Frankly, loyalty is not created by a promo. It created by who the chain is constantly treating their loyal customers, and particularly how the chain handles problems.

All of these thoughts regarding "loyalty" are spot on, but the whole notion of "Double Diamond" mentioned earlier in the thread really does come into play here. If you have already qualified for Diamond, a strong promo (or even one that's marginally stronger than the other chains) will offer an incentive to continue to stay at Hilton properties. I certainly have seen no differences between my treatment as a Diamond member with 60 stays versus 30 stays. Until such a level exists, I feel that I am better off sending business elsewhere (SPG, in my case) to earn top status in more than one chain.

The same thing holds true for most airlines (Delta being an arguable exception with rollover MQM's). Is it better to be EXP on AA with 200,000 EQM's or EXP on AA with 100,000 EQM's and PM on Delta with 100,000 MQM's? There are (obviously) other factors at play here, but I truly believe that a solid Q4 promo can definitely influence stay activity for many of us.

All of these thoughts regarding "loyalty" are spot on, but the whole notion of "Double Diamond" mentioned earlier in the thread really does come into play here. If you have already qualified for Diamond, a strong promo (or even one that's marginally stronger than the other chains) will offer an incentive to continue to stay at Hilton properties. I certainly have seen no differences between my treatment as a Diamond member with 60 stays versus 30 stays. Until such a level exists, I feel that I am better off sending business elsewhere (SPG, in my case) to earn top status in more than one chain.

The same thing holds true for most airlines (Delta being an arguable exception with rollover MQM's). Is it better to be EXP on AA with 200,000 EQM's or EXP on AA with 100,000 EQM's and PM on Delta with 100,000 MQM's? There are (obviously) other factors at play here, but I truly believe that a solid Q4 promo can definitely influence stay activity for many of us.

Oh, absolutely. I'm at the point now where I will requalify as gold for both Marriott and HHonors, but will only be able to hit top level with one of the two. How strong the HHonors promo is (and whether the properties I'd be at actually participate) will certainly have an influence on which one I go for. But that's exactly the point. It shows I am loyal to neither.

I decided to read the promo more thoroughly and here it is verbatim. Worse than I thought:
Q4 2012 HHonors System-wide Promotion
(Promo Name-1,000 reasons)

Offer Details: Registered HHonors members will earn 1,000 HHonors Bonus Points each Thursday through Monday night of any stay occurring during the promotion period November 1 through December 31, 2012. (Tuesday and Wednesday are not bonused.)

Valid Stay Dates: November 1- December 31, 2012

Live Dates: October 17- Sneak Preview e-mail
October 31- Global email launch to remaining HHonors members
November 1- Global email launch to non HHonors

It is stated that the goal of this promotion is to generate incremental stays particularly for weekend and shoulder dates.

In my previous post I was not looking at the sheet and did not recognize that Tue and Wed were excluded. Those are 2 of the 3 nights I normally stay so it does nothing for me.

If this promo is correct that's awful.

Whoa.. that's pretty awful :(

That's the worst promo they have had in a long time. And to exclude the whole month of October?

IF they bring back the 2010 diamond promo of the free nights AND the Delta MQM promo it won't be that bad, but if this is the only promo I may as well shift all my stays to Marriott and try to get up to platnium there or hotel hop at Hyatts and get in $40K in spending in Q4 on their credit card and try for diamond.

Marriott's boring old Megabonus is looking pretty good about now.

Marriott's boring old Megabonus is looking pretty good about now.

Same here, all my stays are Mon-Thur.
Just got status match offer from Priority club, so all my stays for the last quarter will be with Marriot and ICH

Adios Hilton Diamond Status - I'll concentrate on more rewarding programs. Not only is this promo pathetic I'm sure it will be full of "non participant" hotels as well.

Works ok with me, because: no stays scheduled for October, and a number of lower rate weekend nights during the promotional period. Have to pay it all out of my own pocket, so every extra point is highly appreciated.

Wow...this has to be the worst promo I have ever seen outta HH if the 1000K post excluding Tues & Wed is true :td::confused:

As others have said...having already qualified for Diamond....totally going to concentrate my Q4 stays in other programs.

You would think the 4Q promo would need to be the best to keep the loyalty of those who have already qualified.

That's pretty rubbish if true. I have 0 Hilton family stays booked in Q4 and I expect it will stay that way.

that's horrible. why not just say $5.00 off your weekend nights. that's about the value of points.

I decided to read the promo more thoroughly and here it is verbatim. Worse than I thought:
Q4 2012 HHonors System-wide Promotion
(Promo Name-1,000 reasons)

Offer Details: Registered HHonors members will earn 1,000 HHonors Bonus Points each Thursday through Monday night of any stay occurring during the promotion period November 1 through December 31, 2012. (Tuesday and Wednesday are not bonused.)

Valid Stay Dates: November 1- December 31, 2012

Live Dates: October 17- Sneak Preview e-mail
October 31- Global email launch to remaining HHonors members
November 1- Global email launch to non HHonors

Thanks for sharing ZLCATC ^

A big :td: to HHonors for coming up with this promo.

I'm honestly really surprised that Tuesday and Wednesday would be excluded. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the above details are true, I view this as a promo primarily designed for leisure travelers. Do the bean counters at Hilton have some statistical program that has indicated that Tuesday and Wednesday loads are high enough so that the incremental stays booked because of the promo on those nights wouldn't cover the costs of the 1000 bonus points? Who knows?

IMHO, a promo like this will result in almost zero incremental revenue. At that point, why even offer one?

What was Hilton thinking???

First nothing for October stays, then nada for Tuesday/Wednesdays?

I guess Hilton doesn't know that most business travelers usually stay at hotels during the week, and not on weekends when they prefer to be at home with their families if possible.:rolleyes:

Seems like Hilton is testing our loyalty to them by offering a poor bonus opportunity and not even for the full quarter, and then waiting to see who will still be staying with them when better bonuses exist elsewhere during the full timeframe. Is this a test to find out if they can get away with offering less and still get usual returns to their properties? Not a good precedent and I think a very poor choice as it'll cost them lots of bookings.

bj-21.

That's a pretty crappy promo for anyone.

I did well to switch to SPG as soon as my 28 were done. What a crock of s...

So it is nothing for Oct?


I decided to read the promo more thoroughly and here it is verbatim. Worse than I thought:
Q4 2012 HHonors System-wide Promotion
(Promo Name-1,000 reasons)

Offer Details: Registered HHonors members will earn 1,000 HHonors Bonus Points each Thursday through Monday night of any stay occurring during the promotion period November 1 through December 31, 2012. (Tuesday and Wednesday are not bonused.)

Valid Stay Dates: November 1- December 31, 2012

Live Dates: October 17- Sneak Preview e-mail
October 31- Global email launch to remaining HHonors members
November 1- Global email launch to non HHonors

It is stated that the goal of this promotion is to generate incremental stays particularly for weekend and shoulder dates.

In my previous post I was not looking at the sheet and did not recognize that Tue and Wed were excluded. Those are 2 of the 3 nights I normally stay so it does nothing for me.

Looks like it will be Marriott thru EOY. Sorry Hilton, this sucks.

This promo is the pits!!

I do not understand what is a big deal about these promos, and why should one care what other chains do? While it is nice to receive bonus points I stay with Hilton regardless of whether or not there is a promo going on...
I guess this brand jumping is only good for people who travel really a lot and who maintain status with different programmes? I just don't see me dropping Hilton and my favourite hotels and start earning status with a different programme just because this quarter's promo sucks... Where is loyalty in chasing the next promo?:confused:

I really hope this was a trial balloon to gauge reaction....

Of course, they're wasting a lot of money on people who think this is even worthy of a trial balloon. If only the property we are satying at in November wasn't so good to us, I would seriously consider switching.

If this is true, then I will be moving all of my stays through the end of the year to another brand. I am already working on Marriott, but will cap out their promo with 4 more stays, as I got 1 free night for every two stays with a max of 3 free nights. I might then do the Starwood challenge for the rest of the year to get Platinum next year. Then it would be Diamond Hilton, Gold Marriott, and Platinum Starwood next year...

I can't believe that Hilton would not take advantage of the fact that they could really build some loyalty this quarter with the other promo's being so weak. Really all of the brands have weak promo's for Q4 if this is true. Maybe I'll just stay home more. :confused:

I just checked my reservation - 13 stays for Oct-Dec. Diamond member since 1993 and loyal all those years. Already qualified for Diamond in 2013. Most of my stays are Between Monday and Thursday. I do not think it is unloyal to shift my stays to another chain and get status and bonus with them. Will be looking at Marriott ans SPG to see which will work better. I already have a couple of Marriott stays because there were no Hilton options on those trips.

I just checked my reservation - 13 stays for Oct-Dec. Diamond member since 1993 and loyal all those years. Already qualified for Diamond in 2013. Most of my stays are Between Monday and Thursday. I do not think it is unloyal to shift my stays to another chain and get status and bonus with them. Will be looking at Marriott ans SPG to see which will work better. I already have a couple of Marriott stays because there were no Hilton options on those trips.

Ditto.

I do not understand what is a big deal about these promos, and why should one care what other chains do? While it is nice to receive bonus points I stay with Hilton regardless of whether or not there is a promo going on...
I guess this brand jumping is only good for people who travel really a lot and who maintain status with different programmes? I just don't see me dropping Hilton and my favourite hotels and start earning status with a different programme just because this quarter's promo sucks... Where is loyalty in chasing the next promo?:confused:

I suppose it depends on your perspective but since you asked I'll offer an answer - IMHO Hilton has allowed the program to degrade too much. The re-alignments of the redemption point values seriously devalued the points and they've done a number of things that curb the other benefits (e.g. upgrades). About the only thing making the difference were strong promos like the QF cert ones. Point bonuses on semi-worthless points with so many non-participating hotels just doesn't cut it.

So if the core program is cut and the promos aren't adding anything isn't it time to shop around? Loyalty has its place but blind loyalty in the face of these events seems foolish to me.

Without an official announcement from Hilton, why judge any speculation yet?

At this point I think it's still speculation.

Hhonors does offer the 'double dip earning style' and IF this is
the true promo for Q4 maybe there's an airline promo as well. I'm sure
some people wouldn't mind earning bonus points and bonus miles at the same time in Q4.:D

Who knows? I reckon we will find out when October arrives.;);)

I do not understand what is a big deal about these promos, and why should one care what other chains do? While it is nice to receive bonus points I stay with Hilton regardless of whether or not there is a promo going on...
I guess this brand jumping is only good for people who travel really a lot and who maintain status with different programmes? I just don't see me dropping Hilton and my favourite hotels and start earning status with a different programme just because this quarter's promo sucks... Where is loyalty in chasing the next promo?:confused:

I'll go the counter argument, what is the point of having loyalty to a corporation? I'm well aware that their loyalty to me extends only to my next stay, why should my loyalty to them extend beyond whatever benefits I am offered?

If a business wants my money they can earn it. It can be through promos, a superior rewards program, great properties or great customer service. But I just don't understand being loyal to a name brand unless there's something in it for me.

Without an official announcement from Hilton, why judge any speculation yet?

At this point I think it's still speculation.

Hhonors does offer the 'double dip earning style' and IF this is
the true promo for Q4 maybe there's an airline promo as well. I'm sure
some people wouldn't mind earning bonus points and bonus miles at the same time in Q4.:D

Who knows? I reckon we will find out when October arrives.;);)

Good point they could have an airline promo they could stack it with. Or have a diamond rentention promo for Q4 (if they bring back the diamond promo they had in q4 2010 that would be enough for me to give most of my stays to Hilton). I just hope a lot of properties don't opt out for this promo if it really is that bad.

That's pretty rubbish if true. I have 0 Hilton family stays booked in Q4 and I expect it will stay that way.
I agree. Not sure why Hhonors even bothers with something so crappy.

Unfortunately I will have to give Hilton some stays next quarter if I want to keep my diamond status, as I am sure many other diamonds will have to do. $40,000 of spend on a Hilton credit card and moving my stays to SPG is sounding good if this is the promotion for Q4.

Looks like it's an actual promo, but Conrad Bangkok's facebook page says it's valid between "now through December 31st, 2012".

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=10365740&l=2207d61708&id=136767784884

The link referenced in the post (www.hhonors.com/1000reasons) is invalid.

Agree with other posters that this is insulting to loyal customers. Time for me to switch to Marriott. I have enough travel left to bag top tier in their program before year end.

Looks like it's an actual promo, but Conrad Bangkok's facebook page says it's valid between "now through December 31st, 2012".

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=10365740&l=2207d61708&id=136767784884

The link referenced in the post (www.hhonors.com/1000reasons) is invalid.

I wonder if they're moving towards more targeted promos to folks who are actually staying at their hotels?

I stay about 145 nights a year, almost exclusively at Hilton properties. I took advantage of a targeted Conrad program they sent me in August where I received 25,000 points for every 5 nights through end of October. I'll rack up 200,000 bonus points in that promo.

Not saying it's smart on their part, but maybe that's what is going on.

promos like this are one reason I went from 165-185 HHonor nights for 4+ years to other chains for the last few years... MR, SPG, and PC Platinum didn't happen without a reason. I'll keep spreading it around and pick the best promos and value. HHonors Diamond value and poor promos last few years cost them about 130-140 nights a year.

This promo is a disgrace, and with 4 stays and 8 nights coming up in October not too thrilled. Might spread some out to PC.

Looks like it's an actual promo, but Conrad Bangkok's facebook page says it's valid between "now through December 31st, 2012".

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=10365740&l=2207d61708&id=136767784884

The link referenced in the post (www.hhonors.com/1000reasons) is invalid.

I can't sign up for the 1000 reason promotion?!

and where is the link to sign up for the Monday to Thursday promo?

I have just booked my hotels for Q4. Due to this discraceful promo I will only have 3 stays with Hilton. The remaining 8 will be with Marriott. For the last 3 years I have been pretty loyal with hilton. But the decision for all London properties to opt out of Q3 made me rethink my loyalty. A quick call to Marriott rewards gave me a status match. Their q3 megabonus promo was pretty good. So i spent about 75% of my time with them. Marriott Q4 also looks good. From now on I will keep an eye on promos and choose the chain which offers me more. No more blind loyalty.

I think basing anything on London opting out of the Q3 promo is illogical. The olympics and paralympics were on, the hotels would be stuffed regardless of any promo, so it wouldn't have made sense for the hotels to pay a percentage of every folio to HHonors in order to participate. Since you can only opt out for the whole quarter or not at all, they had to go for the whole quarter.

I can't sign up for the 1000 reason promotion?!

and where is the link to sign up for the Monday to Thursday promo?

No one can sign up, it says the link is invalid.

Promo is Thursday to Monday, not the other way around.

No one can sign up, it says the link is invalid.

Promo is Thursday to Monday, not the other way around.

I had thought that Markus1301's comment was meant to be sarcastic. I agree: when, indeed, are we going to see the real promo for those who actually stay at Hiltons on weekdays!

I dont think its ilogical to stop & think about loyalty. These things work both ways & when things tip in the other direction then its time to look at other options.

Yes. The olympics were on for 2 weeks. But London wasnt much busier than normal. The two weeks during the paraolympics were just business as usual. So to opt out for the whole 3 months seemed like overkill. Other chains didnt have such silly opt outs over this period. I still dont understand this logic at HH

Initially when I read the entire month of October is out, I had the same feeling as all the others had said - bad. But now that I see the Facebook page posted by adambrock where it is "now to Dec 31", I now actually think it is not that bad after all - not the best like Q3FN, but acceptable. Most of the bonus points promo in the past always gives more points on the weekend and nothing during the weekday. But this time, I get to bonus points on Monday and Thursday night too. This will now completely changed most of my booking for Q4 where I will make sure I have no Hilton hotels on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Glad I don't have any stays planned in Oct. Really sad there'll be no promotion during October, though.

I have just booked my hotels for Q4. Due to this discraceful promo I will only have 3 stays with Hilton. The remaining 8 will be with Marriott. For the last 3 years I have been pretty loyal with hilton. But the decision for all London properties to opt out of Q3 made me rethink my loyalty. A quick call to Marriott rewards gave me a status match. Their q3 megabonus promo was pretty good. So i spent about 75% of my time with them. Marriott Q4 also looks good. From now on I will keep an eye on promos and choose the chain which offers me more. No more blind loyalty.

I am also going to try for a status match to Marriott. Even if they only give it to me until the end of the year with a challenge I will qualify by year end on stays and credit card spend for Platnium anyway and can enjoy the PM benefits in the meantime. I am sure Hilton is going to lose a lot of stays to the competition from their golds and diamonds with the exception of those that need the stays to requalify in Q4.

I have just booked my hotels for Q4. Due to this discraceful promo I will only have 3 stays with Hilton. The remaining 8 will be with Marriott. For the last 3 years I have been pretty loyal with hilton. But the decision for all London properties to opt out of Q3 made me rethink my loyalty. A quick call to Marriott rewards gave me a status match. Their q3 megabonus promo was pretty good. So i spent about 75% of my time with them. Marriott Q4 also looks good. From now on I will keep an eye on promos and choose the chain which offers me more. No more blind loyalty.

I am also going to try for a status match to Marriott. Even if they only give it to me until the end of the year with a challenge I will qualify by year end on stays and credit card spend for Platnium anyway and can enjoy the PM benefits in the meantime. I am sure Hilton is going to lose a lot of stays to the competition from their golds and diamonds with the exception of those that need the stays to requalify in Q4.

Marriott put me straight to gold when i emailed them my Hilton activity for 2012. I only had 10 nights with Marriott this year, but they were more than happy to give me gold until feb2014. I guess they wanted my business

Thanks for sharing ZLCATC ^

A big :td: to HHonors for coming up with this promo.

Which promo? I don't see one :D

To be fair: There ain't no promotions with any hotel chain

has anything official been released yet from HHonors, or does anyone have definite knowedge yet about the program?

Only the Facebook post above and a letter one member read/has. They are the same though so it's looking true.

That promo is lame.

I should've jumped ship earlier than the 156 nights I'm already at.

But starting tomorrow, I'm switching to Marriott properties. 34 nights booked this morning, which'll take me somewhere to just after mid November.

Just signed up for the platinum challenge. Should qualify for next year in about a month... :)

I do not understand what is a big deal about these promos, and why should one care what other chains do? While it is nice to receive bonus points I stay with Hilton regardless of whether or not there is a promo going on...
I guess this brand jumping is only good for people who travel really a lot and who maintain status with different programmes? I just don't see me dropping Hilton and my favourite hotels and start earning status with a different programme just because this quarter's promo sucks... Where is loyalty in chasing the next promo?:confused:

Well that's the thing. For someone like me who doesn't travel a whole lot (I never travel for business so all of my travel is personal), promos aren't a big deal. For those people who are always on the road, then promos make a big deal as they allow people to rack up points incredibly fast.

...While it is nice to receive bonus points I stay with Hilton regardless of whether or not there is a promo going on...

+1

Without an official announcement from Hilton, why judge any speculation yet?

And another +1 redux:


To wit: the promo (if there is one) will be what it will be. It will be announced when it is announced. And nothing said on this forum will make the slightest difference to the putative promo's details.

I wonder if they're moving towards more targeted promos to folks who are actually staying at their hotels?

That makes sense to me.

Just came accross this little extra goody from M&M:

Hilton Worldwide is giving you a present of up to quadruple miles worldwide
From 1 October to 31 December 2012 you will receive up to quadruple award miles in all participating hotels worldwide belonging to the Hilton Worldwide brand portfolio.

Valid from 1 October to 31 December 2012
- double miles for the second stay
- triple miles for the third stay
- quadruple miles for the fourth stay or further stays within the promotional period

Obtain your quadruple miles in a Hilton hotel directly here!

http://www.hiltonhhonors.com/quadruplemiles&more

Link is not live yet.

[...]
Valid from 1 October to 31 December 2012
- double miles for the second stay
- triple miles for the third stay
- quadruple miles for the fourth stay or further stays within the promotional period
[...]


I wish they would offer the same for HHonors points. It's been a while (year?) since quadruple promo was available.

I mostly travel Mon-Wed, if this is true, I've already qualified for DM next year and it has been at least 7 years since I've stayed at a non-Hilton owned hotel if one was available, Ben meaning to give Marriott a whirl, nows the time, I guess.

Not a bad promotion, but I agree that 4x HH points would have been better for me.

Usually, I have Hhonors set to points and points. When I do earn miles, I earn them with Delta. The problem with that is that all I can use those miles for is flying -- which I already do more of than I want to. When we go on a vacation, we almost always drive. So this promotion would have been a LOT more attractive to me if it had been points instead of miles. But, on the other hand, it is looking like I will have only one stay (of six nights) in the fourth quarter (other than a two night reward stay with the family). So any promo in the 4th quarter than emphasizes number of stays instead of length of stays is not going to float my boat.

BTW, before someone tells me what I already know -- I am only Silver with Delta and I don't have their credit card so I cannot participate in their mileage marketplace (which requires you to be at least gold).

Only the Facebook post above and a letter one member read/has. They are the same though so it's looking true.

The thing is there's no starting date, and the link is still dead. Is it possible the hotel posted it weeks too early, and Hilton does not intend to provide early October promotion coverage at all?

The thing is there's no starting date, and the link is still dead. Is it possible the hotel posted it weeks too early, and Hilton does not intend to provide early October promotion coverage at all?

Good question. 4 days left in the quarter after today, and I check in for a four night stay on the 1st. Maybe we will know something by the weekend.

Just came accross this little extra goody from M&M:

Hilton Worldwide is giving you a present of up to quadruple miles worldwide
From 1 October to 31 December 2012 you will receive up to quadruple award miles in all participating hotels worldwide belonging to the Hilton Worldwide brand portfolio.

Valid from 1 October to 31 December 2012
- double miles for the second stay
- triple miles for the third stay
- quadruple miles for the fourth stay or further stays within the promotional period

Obtain your quadruple miles in a Hilton hotel directly here!

http://www.hiltonhhonors.com/quadruplemiles&more

Link is not live yet.

This has to be the lamest promo Hilton has ever had. Especially seeing they had the QF3N free night promo for Q4 in 2010 and 2011. Unless they bring back the Delta MQM promo like they usually have in Q4, this promo will be worthless to me since my I prefer Hilton points for my double dip and only have one paid stay with Hilton for Q4 unless they bring back the Delta MQM or a good diamond retention promo, my paid stays for Q4 will go to Marriott.

What miles are we talking about here? Any airline/program? AA, United, Delta, etc.? Based on the credit card we use?

docr775,

Now’s your chance to turn your hotel stays into 15,000 extra Flying Club miles*. Simply join Hilton HHonors™, select Virgin Atlantic Airways as the preferred partner in your HHonors profile, and register for Flying Club bonus miles.

As an HHonors member you earn Flying Club miles and HHonors Points each time you stay at any of the participating hotels in the Hilton Worldwide portfolio of brands. Now until December 31, 2012, you have a unique opportunity to earn up to 15,000 bonus miles. And with more than 3,900 locations in 91 countries, you’ll never be far from somewhere you can earn them.

https://hiltonhhonors.com/processLanding6.aspx?lp=vaearnmore


• 1st stay: 1,000 bonus miles
• 2nd stay: 2,000 bonus miles
• 3rd stay: 3,000 bonus miles
• 4th stay: 4,000 bonus miles
• 5th stay: 5,000 bonus miles
• From 6 stays and more – members will be awarded the standard stay miles only.

What miles are we talking about here? Any airline/program? AA, United, Delta, etc.? Based on the credit card we use?

Miles & More is the Lufthansa FF program.

docr775,

Now’s your chance to turn your hotel stays into 15,000 extra Flying Club miles*. Simply join Hilton HHonors™, select Virgin Atlantic Airways as the preferred partner in your HHonors profile, and register for Flying Club bonus miles.

As an HHonors member you earn Flying Club miles and HHonors Points each time you stay at any of the participating hotels in the Hilton Worldwide portfolio of brands. Now until December 31, 2012, you have a unique opportunity to earn up to 15,000 bonus miles. And with more than 3,900 locations in 91 countries, you’ll never be far from somewhere you can earn them.

https://hiltonhhonors.com/processLanding6.aspx?lp=vaearnmore


• 1st stay: 1,000 bonus miles
• 2nd stay: 2,000 bonus miles
• 3rd stay: 3,000 bonus miles
• 4th stay: 4,000 bonus miles
• 5th stay: 5,000 bonus miles
• From 6 stays and more – members will be awarded the standard stay miles only.

Hi everyone, I know virgin atlantic allows transfers of miles to HH at 2:1 so can we get this 15K bonus and transfer it back to HH as 30K?
Also, the fine print specifies "participating hotels" does anyone know how to get the list of hotels that are participating?
Small print also mentions you have to have Virgin Atlantic as your mileage partner selected before booking.. I already have 5 stays booked for October, will the hotels usually let you call up, cancel and rebook to meet the requirement?

Hi everyone, I know virgin atlantic allows transfers of miles to HH at 2:1 so can we get this 15K bonus and transfer it back to HH as 30K?
Also, the fine print specifies "participating hotels" does anyone know how to get the list of hotels that are participating?
Small print also mentions you have to have Virgin Atlantic as your mileage partner selected before booking.. I already have 5 stays booked for October, will the hotels usually let you call up, cancel and rebook to meet the requirement?

The list of non-participating hotels probably won't be available until the link actually goes live.
You don't have to cancel and re-book your reservations, just ask them to change the Airline FF# when you check in.

Miles & More is the Lufthansa FF program.

Lufthansa Miles & More promo site:
http://www.miles-and-more.com/online/portal/mam/nl/earn/special_offers/offer?nodeid=1456104356&l=en&cid=1000327

Register:
http://www.hiltonhhonors.com/vierfach (Not live yet)

Emirates Skywards promo site:
http://www.skywards.com/Offer_detail.aspx?ID=tcm:431-990593&SkinID=3

Register:
http://www.hiltonhhonors.com/skywards5000 (Not live yet)

The list of non-participating hotels probably won't be available until the link actually goes live.
You don't have to cancel and re-book your reservations, just ask them to change the Airline FF# when you check in.

or you can log on and change your preference to points/fixed miles. If you stay at $100 hotels this is a great promo; after 5 stays change it back.

or you can log on and change your preference to points/fixed miles. If you stay at $100 hotels this is a great promo; after 5 stays change it back.

The T&C clearly state that the airline preference must be set before the stays are booked. I personally don't believe the Hhonors IT team can successfully monitor that, but just to be safe I rebooked my stays.

If this is stackable with the points promo we've all been complaining about, the quarter may be salvaged after all.

Lufthansa Miles & More promo site:
http://www.miles-and-more.com/online/portal/mam/nl/earn/special_offers/offer?nodeid=1456104356&l=en&cid=1000327

Register:
http://www.hiltonhhonors.com/vierfach (Not live yet)

Is there a way to transfer Miles and More miles back to Hilton, similar to what you can do with Virgin Atlantic?

Is there a way to transfer Miles and More miles back to Hilton, similar to what you can do with Virgin Atlantic?


Nope, not so far I know.
See: http://hhonors1.hilton.com/en_US/hh/points/milesforpoints.do

Just came accross this little extra goody from M&M:

Hilton Worldwide is giving you a present of up to quadruple miles worldwide
From 1 October to 31 December 2012 you will receive up to quadruple award miles in all participating hotels worldwide belonging to the Hilton Worldwide brand portfolio.

Valid from 1 October to 31 December 2012
- double miles for the second stay
- triple miles for the third stay
- quadruple miles for the fourth stay or further stays within the promotional period

Obtain your quadruple miles in a Hilton hotel directly here!

http://www.hiltonhhonors.com/quadruplemiles&more

Link is not live yet.

The offer has now disappeared from Miles & More website...

The T&C clearly state that the airline preference must be set before the stays are booked. I personally don't believe the Hhonors IT team can successfully monitor that, but just to be safe I rebooked my stays.

If this is stackable with the points promo we've all been complaining about, the quarter may be salvaged after all.

Maybe you are right, all I know is I changed my preference last night then called the DD; she looked at my next 5 reservations and all had points/fixed miles. My 6th stay is 2 rooms 4 nights at ES Lakeside $275/per so I obviously will want to switch back to points/points. She said simply call her when I finish my 5th stay and she will switch it back.

The T&C clearly state that the airline preference must be set before the stays are booked. I personally don't believe the Hhonors IT team can successfully monitor that, but just to be safe I rebooked my stays.

If this is stackable with the points promo we've all been complaining about, the quarter may be salvaged after all.

If this is true I am cancleling my nights for the next week on Friday and rebooking them

Pah, still no news on a points Q4 promotion?

I wonder if Hilton know (database search) there are lots of people like myself that had been holding off from staying at Hilton as we are waiting for that one big promo. Now Q4 be starting in a few days and I found myself need 7 stays to get Diamand for next year. Hence, they know I will have at least 7 stays in Q4 at their locations regardless if there is a promo or not. :(

....they know I will have at least 7 stays in Q4 at their locations regardless if there is a promo or not. :(And I'm down to 4 remaining to retain Diamond. I'll get that promo or not.

I think we hit the point of no return for Oct. Just cancelled my 18 nights and moved them to Marriott. Hoping for better in Nov.

The T&C clearly state that the airline preference must be set before the stays are booked. I personally don't believe the Hhonors IT team can successfully monitor that, but just to be safe I rebooked my stays.

If this is stackable with the points promo we've all been complaining about, the quarter may be salvaged after all.

Maybe you are right, all I know is I changed my preference last night then called the DD; she looked at my next 5 reservations and all had points/fixed miles. My 6th stay is 2 rooms 4 nights at ES Lakeside $275/per so I obviously will want to switch back to points/points. She said simply call her when I finish my 5th stay and she will switch it back.

You're actually talking about 2 different things here. The earning style in your profile at 11:59:59pm Central Time on the day you checkout will indicate whether you earn points/points, points/fixed miles, or points/variable miles. I confirmed this with the Diamond Desk. However, the airline preference is saved with the individual reservation. You can either:

1) Change it at check-in
2) Cancel and rebook

Any opt-out hotels for the VS offer?

You're actually talking about 2 different things here. The earning style in your profile at 11:59:59pm Central Time on the day you checkout will indicate whether you earn points/points, points/fixed miles, or points/variable miles. I confirmed this with the Diamond Desk. However, the airline preference is saved with the individual reservation. You can either:

1) Change it at check-in
2) Cancel and rebook

Good to know. No more bmi 1000 miles per night after 27 October, and my bookings go way past that. Will have to change them on check in.

Tempted by the VS promo, but hoping vainly for something else.

I signed up for the Virgin Atlantic promo to try and salvage my 4 stays in October. But all of my stays were already booked while I still had my earnings style set to all Hilton points. I have changed it to Variable miles and added my virgin atlantic number.

I called hilton honors to try and see if there was any way to do this without cancelling and rebooking. First they transfered me to reservations then hilton honors, then back to reservations, back to Honors..... No one seemed to even know about the promo, I had to actually read the offer page to one representative. The fourth time they transfered me I was put on hold then hung up on..

I am not diamond so I can't use the DD. I have already cxl and rebooked 2 stays but the other stays are during sold out times. This is a business trip with a big group so no option to change hotels.

Any suggestions on who to call to get these rebooked?

Any suggestions on who to call to get these rebooked?

Have you try calling the hotel directly? Do so before you click the "Cancel" button so they know you "have" an existing reservation. Call doing the day time so a manager can override to let the front desk agent book your room at the old rate.

Really hope the Q4 promo isn't just the Virgin offer. After the 5th stay there is no motivation to remain with HHonors brands, assuming you have reached your desired status which most of us have by now.
I currently have 6 bookings in Q4 and I need to make another 9. Will be interesting to see what happens over the next few days.

Just had this from @HiltonHHonors:

Just informed that the details of 4th promo not completed. They will be sent out to guests by email as soon as possible. So sorry.

Chris

I think we hit the point of no return for Oct. Just cancelled my 18 nights and moved them to Marriott. Hoping for better in Nov.

I am going to ask Marriott for status match on Monday, I have a stay on Monday booked already at an Embassy Suites, that will be my last for the year, or if I like Marriott maybe will stay with them for 2013. What a pain.

Hi Everyone -
I'm a new FT member but I've been reading the forums for years - a belated thanks for all of the excellent information!
I've been Diamond for five years and stay exclusively at Hilton properties - typically around 90 nights a year. The lack of information from Hilton on their q4 promo has been frustrating, and after reading this thread, I emailed Marriott Customer Service, provided a record of my stays, and was put directly to Platinum, with the requirement that I stay 9 nights by 12/31/12. It'll be tight since I "have" to stay at the Caribe Hilton in San Juan for 4 nights and am planning to take some time off in December - but I'm going to give it a try. Wish me luck!

Hi Everyone -
I'm a new FT member but I've been reading the forums for years - a belated thanks for all of the excellent information!
I've been Diamond for five years and stay exclusively at Hilton properties - typically around 90 nights a year. The lack of information from Hilton on their q4 promo has been frustrating, and after reading this thread, I emailed Marriott Customer Service, provided a record of my stays, and was put directly to Platinum, with the requirement that I stay 9 nights by 12/31/12. It'll be tight since I "have" to stay at the Caribe Hilton in San Juan for 4 nights and am planning to take some time off in December - but I'm going to give it a try. Wish me luck!

Sounds like a Marriott Platinum challenge, you sure that's 9 nights not 9 stays?

Hi Everyone -
I'm a new FT member but I've been reading the forums for years - a belated thanks for all of the excellent information!
I've been Diamond for five years and stay exclusively at Hilton properties - typically around 90 nights a year. The lack of information from Hilton on their q4 promo has been frustrating, and after reading this thread, I emailed Marriott Customer Service, provided a record of my stays, and was put directly to Platinum, with the requirement that I stay 9 nights by 12/31/12. It'll be tight since I "have" to stay at the Caribe Hilton in San Juan for 4 nights and am planning to take some time off in December - but I'm going to give it a try. Wish me luck!

That's pretty good. I think the usual is 18 nights in 90 days. What id did you email to ?

Good catch, escapefromphl: The offer is 9 stays, not nine nights. Thanks. I’ve got 3 stays booked and may be able to pick up another 6.

Virtuo0: I went to Customer Support and selected "Contact Us" and received a reply from Marriott Rewards Guest Services at this email address: internet.customer.care@marriott.com.

October 1 the start of a new quarter is this Monday and Hilton has still not announced their 4th quarter promotion. What is Hilton waiting on??

There are lots of us who are going to have stays next week at Hiltons only to know nothing about a 4th quarter promotion other than the conjecture here on flyer talk. While I do expect Hilton will make any 4th quarter promotion retroactive back to October 1, Hilton's reason for waiting to announce anything is a total mystery to many of us.

Oh well, I have come to expect nothing more from Hilton in the way of timing of promotion announcements. :td:

I have an expensive reservation all set for next weekend. Any news about their Q4 promo? Is there to be a gap? This is ridiculous to be cutting it so close to the wire.

What makes everyone think there MUST be a promotion every quarter? Maybe Hilton is taking the quarter off to see how long this thread will become.

What makes everyone think there MUST be a promotion every quarter?

loyalty ;)

If there is no promotion, I will look around and stay with the hotel that's most beneficial for me. I am staying tomorrow night at Hilton (last day for Q3 promo) and then going to Staybirdge for the reminder of the week so that i can get PC points there.

What makes everyone think there MUST be a promotion every quarter? Maybe Hilton is taking the quarter off to see how long this thread will become.

My thought exactly. Posters here seem to think these promos will flow quarter after quarter uninterrupted, but a few years ago they were the exception, not the rule. If Hilton has decided to have a promo that starts Nov 1 or some other date, we'll just have to wait for the official announcement. It could apply retroactively, but I wouldn't bet on it.

My thought exactly. Posters here seem to think these promos will flow quarter after quarter uninterrupted, but a few years ago they were the exception, not the rule. If Hilton has decided to have a promo that starts Nov 1 or some other date, we'll just have to wait for the official announcement. It could apply retroactively, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Amen. I'm not canceling my stays as I am almost always treated well (and most of my stays are at Hampton's and 1k per stay will work just fine assuming that kicks in on Nov. 1.

With that said, I frankly like the fact several folks are cancelling bookings as HHonnors will see that and hopefully decide not offering a promo is costing them more than they are saving.

What makes everyone think there MUST be a promotion every quarter? Maybe Hilton is taking the quarter off to see how long this thread will become.

Hilton has at least THREE different airline promotions going on during the 4th quarter.

My thought exactly. Posters here seem to think these promos will flow quarter after quarter uninterrupted, but a few years ago they were the exception, not the rule. If Hilton has decided to have a promo that starts Nov 1 or some other date, we'll just have to wait for the official announcement. It could apply retroactively, but I wouldn't bet on it.

I can pick and choose which hotels/chains I am staying at. I am top tier with five (Hilton, Hyatt, InterContinental, Marriott & Starwood). Unless the chain, Hilton on this instance, is running a promotion worth of my time, the stays are going somewhere else. And I am not in unique position.

It doesn't make any sense to be "loyal" to any of these corporations. For sure they are not "loyal" to you. They just use loyalty programs to maximize their revenue.

Hilton has at least THREE different airline promotions going on during the 4th quarter.



I can pick and choose which hotels/chains I am staying at. I am top tier with five (Hilton, Hyatt, InterContinental, Marriott & Starwood). Unless the chain, Hilton on this instance, is running a promotion worth of my time, the stays are going somewhere else. And I am not in unique position.

It doesn't make any sense to be "loyal" to any of these corporations. For sure they are not "loyal" to you. They just use loyalty programs to maximize their revenue.

Exactly, we all do what's best for us. Hilton by no means is better than other major hotel chains. I use the perks offered by all loyalty programs to get something back for business travel which I consider a "REWARD".

No "REWARD" I go to where there is one. My next stay is in 2 weeks and I will hunt around if Hilton does not offer a better package than another chain.

What makes everyone think there MUST be a promotion every quarter? Maybe Hilton is taking the quarter off to see how long this thread will become.
It's not that there has to be a promo every quarter. But the point is, I need a bed to sleep in that's clean and comfortable. If Marriott is willing to give me something extra for staying there for the next 3 months and Hilton does not, why would I stay at a Hilton? No reason for me to do that.

Three airline promos in Q4? I know about Virgin, what are the other two? Did some searching and could not find any other.


Hilton has at least THREE different airline promotions going on during the 4th quarter.



I can pick and choose which hotels/chains I am staying at. I am top tier with five (Hilton, Hyatt, InterContinental, Marriott & Starwood). Unless the chain, Hilton on this instance, is running a promotion worth of my time, the stays are going somewhere else. And I am not in unique position.

It doesn't make any sense to be "loyal" to any of these corporations. For sure they are not "loyal" to you. They just use loyalty programs to maximize their revenue.

Three airline promos in Q4? I know about Virgin, what are the other two? Did some searching and could not find any other.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/19388847-post135.html

I just canceled 4 nights this week at Hilton and moved them to Marriott. This will give me 2 free nights with them on top of points. I can’t believe they are going with no promo

I just canceled 4 nights this week at Hilton and moved them to Marriott. This will give me 2 free nights with them on top of points. I can’t believe they are going with no promo

Question: You are an HHonors Diamond. At Marriott you are only a silver. Aren't you better off enjoying the benefits of your Diamond status even without a promo?

Question: You are an HHonors Diamond. At Marriott you are only a silver. Aren't you better off enjoying the benefits of your Diamond status even without a promo?

That can depend on the hotel you are staying at. This trip was doubletree so not much of an upgrade at those. This way I might up my status at Marriott and gain 2 free nights with current promo and not waste my Hilton points when traveling across the country via car. Save those points for the nice stays

Question: You are an HHonors Diamond. At Marriott you are only a silver. Aren't you better off enjoying the benefits of your Diamond status even without a promo?

It's complicated by things like how many nights/stays do you need to reach the next quantum level and the type of hotel you're staying at....

e.g. Diamond bene's aren't worth as much at a Hampton as at a full Hilton etc. etc etc.

<lol>

Bob H

First night as a Marriott Platinum tonight....plenty more to come.

Get two free night certificates from them, extra, next week.

loyalty ;)

If there is no promotion, I will look around and stay with the hotel that's most beneficial for me. I am staying tomorrow night at Hilton (last day for Q3 promo) and then going to Staybirdge for the reminder of the week so that i can get PC points there.

Hilton Knows that the Competition is offering promotions and they will be competitive. Too many of of us who travel regularly will be staying elsewhere if Hilton does not offer some kind of 4Q promotion and Hilton knows it. Other hotels have nice properties as well so I have choices.

Marriott is clearly out with their promotion, so is Choice, Holiday Inn, Starwood and other chains who have some lovely properties so when I stay at a Hilton, it is because it is my personal preference. If they choose not to offer a 4th Quarter promotion (which is unlikely), I will go to one of the other chains starting immediately. No big loss to me where I sleep as long as the room is nice and the bed comfortable and they reward me for being at their hotel.

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I can pick and choose which hotels/chains I am staying at. I am top tier with five (Hilton, Hyatt, InterContinental, Marriott & Starwood). Unless the chain, Hilton on this instance, is running a promotion worth of my time, the stays are going somewhere else. And I am not in unique position.
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Minimum stay requirement for top tier at: Hilton 28, Hyatt 30, Priority Club 50, Marriott 75, *Wood 25 (Note, not nights, check-ins)

Wow, you check into 198 hotels a year?
I think you are in a unique position, at least here. :eek:

First night as a Marriott Platinum tonight....plenty more to come.

Get two free night certificates from them, extra, next week.


Just had my first Plat night at a full service Marriott, the San Diego Marquis Marina, and it beat the Hilton Gaslamp on price, exercise room, location, executive lounge for breakfast and evening fare, ambiance, and upgrade. Case by case, but I’m just saying….

Minimum stay requirement for top tier at: Hilton 28, Hyatt 30, Priority Club 50, Marriott 75, *Wood 25 (Note, not nights, check-ins)

Wow, you check into 198 hotels a year?
I think you are in a unique position, at least here. :eek:

Credit cards will give you most of those eg: centurion will give you Hilton and SPG

The others could be status matched ?

Credit cards will give you most of those eg: centurion will give you Hilton and SPG

The others could be status matched ?

Centurion gives you Hilton Diamond and SPG Plat?

Credit cards will give you most of those eg: centurion will give you Hilton and SPG

The others could be status matched ?

You can be top tier at Hilton and Marriott with just credit card usage and no stays (Hilton is very easy to get diamond, not so with marriott but can still be done). Hyatt could be a status match but they usually do a challenge. Not sure about SPG.

You can be top tier at Hilton and Marriott with just credit card usage and no stays (Hilton is very easy to get diamond, not so with marriott but can still be done). Hyatt could be a status match but they usually do a challenge. Not sure about SPG.

?? I understood you could be Hilton Gold with CC spends, I didn't realize the same with Diamond.

?? I understood you could be Hilton Gold with CC spends, I didn't realize the same with Diamond.

$40K annual spend on Hilton AMEX Surpass gets you Diamond.

Minimum stay requirement for top tier at: Hilton 28, Hyatt 30, Priority Club 50, Marriott 75, *Wood 25 (Note, not nights, check-ins)

Wow, you check into 198 hotels a year?
I think you are in a unique position, at least here. :eek:

More than 300 hotel nights per year since 2004. So, I would say that I know these programs rather well.

Hilton is 28 stays but award stays count as well, Hyatt is 25 stays, Priority Club Platinum can be had as few as 7 stays (http://loyaltylobby.com/2012/09/28/priority-club-from-zero-to-platinum-on-seven-stays-60k-points/) due to all the promos and RA is 50 to 60 nights (http://loyaltylobby.com/2012/09/04/update-on-my-intercontinental-royal-ambassador-renewal/) and based on my experience award nights count as well, Marriott is theoretically 75 but can be had for far less (http://loyaltylobby.com/2012/09/28/marriott-rewards-special-thank-you-offer-for-extending-elite-status/), and SPG is 25 stays.

If you travel at all, it is easy to have at least 2 or 3 of these.

Being blindly "loyal" to any of these chains makes no sense.

What gripes me is the fact that we have the spg lurkers that always help us out, yet Hilton only has someone post a promo and thats it, you do not hear from them again.

?? I understood you could be Hilton Gold with CC spends, I didn't realize the same with Diamond.

Both the Am Ex surpass and the Citi Hilton Visa card get you gold spend with $40K a year Marriott is a lot harder. You get one nights credit for every $3k spend on their card so it is a LOT harder to get top tier with them if you aren't staying there much on CC usage. But if you do stay at Marriott a lot and are only a couple nights short of Platnium the credit card makes it a lot easier than if you are just a couple nights short at Hilton. But with my credit card spend I could easilly be top tier with both Hilton and Marriott without spending a night. I know Hyatt is impossible to be diamond on credit card spend (you get so many nights credit towards diamond after $40K spend) and not sure about SPG but if I moved all my actual stays to Hyatt and SPG I could probably be top tier with all four programs with credit card spend there also.

I am going to try for Platnium with Marriott this year by moving over most of my stays and using their CC and I will be happy being top tier with both of those programs and platnium with HY and gold with SPG. Hilton and Marriott have properties in almost every city I go to, so I am content with top tier with both of them. For someone that spends 300+ nights a year in hotels I can understand wanting top tier with as many chains as possible.

$40K annual spend on Hilton AMEX Surpass gets you Diamond.

Indeed. I have 4 HHonors stays (total, 14 nights) so far this year. I expect to have two more stays and one of those is an award stay. Still, I am Gold because of my Amex and, having put $35,726 on it so far have a good shot at making Diamond in the next 3 months.

What gripes me is the fact that we have the spg lurkers that always help us out, yet Hilton only has someone post a promo and thats it, you do not hear from them again.

If you look at how much poor William has to go through on FT I am not surprised Hilton can not find anyone willing to do the job. ;)

Is this still "speculation" or are we sure that in October there will be NO promo

Last few posts are confusing with Conrad facebook page:confused:

More than 300 hotel nights per year since 2004. So, I would say that I know these programs rather well.
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and that makes you "unique" here and across the travel world. That was my point and my comment.

I travel a lot and that is only 100 or so nights per year.

and that makes you "unique" here and across the travel world. That was my point and my comment.

I travel a lot and that is only 100 or so nights per year.

I travel less than 30 nights a year but I bet I know the programs better than some people who travel 300 nights :)

Probably because the people who travel 300 nights are actually busy people and have better things to do than learn about loyalty programs ;)

Is this still "speculation" or are we sure that in October there will be NO promo

Last few posts are confusing with Conrad facebook page:confused:

There is a promotion for 1000 airline miles per night at the Conrad:
https://hiltonhhonors.com/processLanding6.aspx?lp=conradama

There are corresponding ones for other airline programs. Doesn't do anything for me though ^

is there a q 4 promotion?

on the hilton website this morning there was still the promo for q3.

thanks!

All we get now is this http://hilton.promo.eprize.com/25days which is stupid.

I travel less than 30 nights a year but I bet I know the programs better than some people who travel 300 nights :)

Probably because the people who travel 300 nights are actually busy people and have better things to do than learn about loyalty programs ;)

That explains the 4700 posts in one year! :p

Promo page for hhonor has been changed finally - to this:
http://hilton.promo.eprize.com/25days/:b=ie8/

Oh yah, far better than points/nights/miles promos </sarcasm>

I don't quite understand why they seem to believe that people outside the US or the UK generically have no interest whatsoever in sweepstakes ...

What!? If this is the promotion, then there's no promotion in Q4. Thanks Hilton.

I don't quite understand why they seem to believe that people outside the US or the UK generically have no interest whatsoever in sweepstakes ...

Or that those within them do :rolleyes:.

On Facebook, Hampton Inn announced it's "Hampton birthdays"--- I'm guessing it was a typo that should have said "Hampton's Birthday"-- since the social media team then asked who is also celebrating a birthday in October.

I realize that Hampton Inn is a different entity/brand from HHonors, but you would think the folks at Blackstone Group would prioritize their brands, with announcing the Q4 HHonors promo ahead of annoucing the Hampton birthday.

That, and not hire a social media team that goofs up something big as "Hampton's Birthday" with "Hampton Birthday's". :rolleyes:

I'm guessing this is a placeholder to distract us until the 1000 Reasons promotion starts November 1. Unfortunately, neither the sweepstakes nor the promotion are exciting enough for that strategy to be effective.

Since this 25 days of prizes promotion ends at about the end of this month, to me that lends additional credibility to the posts that have been made leaking details of a purported "Thousand Reasons" Q4 promotion that does not start until November.

I will have no stays this month. Which my wife will like, since I was gone for nine nights in September in Birmingham (AL), Baltimore, and NYC. In November, I will have a six night stay in Arlington, VA and a two night (reward) stay with my wife in Las Vegas. And that will probably be the last of my Hilton stays this year. So actually, a thousand points a night promotion in November would be okay -- not great, but not chopped liver.

I did check the Marriott locations in the Arlington/DC area that would work for my upcoming November trip and found them to be far more expensive than the stay I have booked at the Hampton Inn Crystal City Reagan Airport. I would have to justify switching to our bean counters and I really don't have a good reason.

I don't quite understand why they seem to believe that people outside the US or the UK generically have no interest whatsoever in sweepstakes ...

+1
Thank you very much Hilton for this great discrimination of people who are loyal to you! :mad:

Ouch. No promo at all in October? Marriot it is!

I started a five-day Doubletree stay on September 30th. I know this has been covered elsewhere, but my stay would count under 3rd quarter promo, yeah?

Ouch. No promo at all in October? Marriot it is!

I started a five-day Doubletree stay on September 30th. I know this has been covered elsewhere, but my stay would count under 3rd quarter promo, yeah?

One day will..... :eek:

I don't quite understand why they seem to believe that people outside the US or the UK generically have no interest whatsoever in sweepstakes ...

Nothing to do with interest, everything to do with cost of ensuring they comply with local laws on gambling and promotions. I imagine US, Canada, and UK make up a very substantial proportion of the world's HHonors members.

Nothing to do with interest, everything to do with cost of ensuring they comply with local laws on gambling and promotions. I imagine US, Canada, and UK make up a very substantial proportion of the world's HHonors members.

Canadians aren't eligible either. I tried.

Dr. PITUK

Nothing to do with interest, everything to do with cost of ensuring they comply with local laws on gambling and promotions. I imagine US, Canada, and UK make up a very substantial proportion of the world's HHonors members.

100% in my case :p.

I wonder if this promo is targetted at current members though. One of the prizes is Diamond membership for a year. You don't have to stay to benefit from the promotion.

Seems to be more of a 'brand awareness' thing to me.

100% in my case :p.

I wonder if this promo is targetted at current members though. One of the prizes is Diamond membership for a year. You don't have to stay to benefit from the promotion.

Seems to be more of a 'brand awareness' thing to me.

Well, you do have stay to take advantage of Diamond membership...

Well, you do have stay to take advantage of Diamond membership...

True. That might influence one person to stay more :D. But generally it doesn't seem to be a way to steer lots of wavering HH members into Hilton properties.

Maybe I should have picked the Bose sound system or Tag watch as examples that might drive zero more people to them.

The odd bit seems to be that if I'm reading this correctly:
Each entrant may enter/play one (1) time per day during the Promotion Period. ... Any attempt by any entrant to obtain more than the stated number of plays/entries by using multiple/different email addresses, identities, registrations and logins, or any other methods will void that entrant's plays/entries and that entrant may be disqualified.

seems to be saying that if you enter online and stay at a property on a day then you don't get an extra entry for the stay, and if they take the view that you were trying to get two entries then you forfeit anything you happen to have won. They may be trying to focus on the active efforts described there, but the 'any other means' seems to create a loophole.

And you have the same chance of winning if you sit in the Marriot and enter online as you do by staying at the Hilton.

Ok, I'm a Diamond who's switched to Marriott since there's no news of a Q4 promo. I received a status match/challenge to Platinum and checked in today to the IAD Fairfield. I have to say, guys, that the Fairfield front desk service & status recognition was way beyond anything I ever receive at Hilton - and they didn't gripe about my early check-in and upgraded me to a "suite" without me having to ask.

I wonder if anyone at Hilton will take notice all these Marriott hotels I'm about to put on my HHonors Visa?

"Hilton HHonors: Our next global HHonors promotion will be officially announced to members on October 17, 2012. Make sure to check back later this month for more details!"
This is the answer on HHonors Facebook page to the question "what happened to Hilton/Miles & More promotion?". I still don't know what happened to the Miles & More promo but I sure now know that Q4 doesn't start on October 1...

Ok, I'm a Diamond who's switched to Marriott since there's no news of a Q4 promo. I received a status match/challenge to Platinum and checked in today to the IAD Fairfield. I have to say, guys, that the Fairfield front desk service & status recognition was way beyond anything I ever receive at Hilton - and they didn't gripe about my early check-in and upgraded me to a "suite" without me having to ask.

I wonder if anyone at Hilton will take notice all these Marriott hotels I'm about to put on my HHonors Visa?

Still waiting for a call from IHG in response to the torrent of HH bookings to my IHG Visa card...

Still waiting for a call from IHG in response to the torrent of HH bookings to my IHG Visa card...

Haha, Jim. I guess it would be pretty creepy if they actually DO notice. It does seem like they're missing out though, if they're not tracking trends.

OK, this is the 4th Q. Promotions?????

Good catch, escapefromphl: The offer is 9 stays, not nine nights. Thanks. I’ve got 3 stays booked and may be able to pick up another 6.

Virtuo0: I went to Customer Support and selected "Contact Us" and received a reply from Marriott Rewards Guest Services at this email address: internet.customer.care@marriott.com.

I think basically anyone can ask for a Marriott Platinum challenge, though they may turn you down if you have no history with them, you get trial Plat status for 90 days and if you complete the 9 stays your status is good until Feb 2014.

Ok, I'm a Diamond who's switched to Marriott since there's no news of a Q4 promo. I received a status match/challenge to Platinum and checked in today to the IAD Fairfield. I have to say, guys, that the Fairfield front desk service & status recognition was way beyond anything I ever receive at Hilton - and they didn't gripe about my early check-in and upgraded me to a "suite" without me having to ask.

I wonder if anyone at Hilton will take notice all these Marriott hotels I'm about to put on my HHonors Visa?

I was a long time Diamond who switched to Marriott last year. This year I ended up staying in both chains and have qualified for Platinum and Diamond. I think Marriott's customer service is better but there are definitely inconsistencies in the properties across both chains. I find that there are some Marriott properties I love and others I hate, and the same goes for Hilton.

I realize that Hampton Inn is a different entity/brand from HHonors, :How is that?

I unfortunately still need to get a few stays to maintain my Diamond status for this year; especially with a big family trip planned next Spring where my status will hopefully will garner us a few perks. I can't believe that Hilton decided to take October off, hopefully this will give them some time to improve the pathetic promo that is currently rumored. 1K points per night is acceptable, just don't exclude Tuesday and Wednesday night when I have 75% of my stays.:mad:

I unfortunately still need to get a few stays to maintain my Diamond status for this year; especially with a big family trip planned next Spring where my status will hopefully will garner us a few perks. I can't believe that Hilton decided to take October off, hopefully this will give them some time to improve the pathetic promo that is currently rumored. 1K points per night is acceptable, just don't exclude Tuesday and Wednesday night when I have 75% of my stays.:mad:

Why wouldn't you just do five Hilton stays that you would credit to VS for the promo? Then transfer the 20K VS back to HH for 40K HH? Basically 6K HH bonus PER one night stay for up to 5 stays.

Again, why does Hilton owe you - us - a promo? They're not going to miss a beat, regardless.

How is that?

Just as Cadillac, Chevy, On-Star, and other brands are differnt brands from the General Motors brand, HHonors is a different brand and separate from Hampton.

Since these are separate brands, it's very possible that Blackstone Group hires different marketing agencies for HHonors and Hampton, hence why the Hampton Birthday was posted before any annoucement from HHonors about a Q4 promo.

Ok, I'm a Diamond who's switched to Marriott since there's no news of a Q4 promo. I received a status match/challenge to Platinum and checked in today to the IAD Fairfield. I have to say, guys, that the Fairfield front desk service & status recognition was way beyond anything I ever receive at Hilton - and they didn't gripe about my early check-in and upgraded me to a "suite" without me having to ask.

I wonder if anyone at Hilton will take notice all these Marriott hotels I'm about to put on my HHonors Visa?


My first night as Marriott Platinum was the WORST night I've ever spent in a hotel. I had a room near the elevator, which was all that was available when I checked in early and in a hurry to set up for a webinar. At about 2am the elevator started dinging continuously and the elevator started to open and close nonstop. This went on for the next two hours. They eventually had to shut down the elevator. What a night.....and now I'm a little worried about what form the Hilton God's revenge will take on Platinum night #2.

The below post is CORRECT. Announcement to take place on October 17th. +1

"Hilton HHonors: Our next global HHonors promotion will be officially announced to members on October 17, 2012. Make sure to check back later this month for more details!"

Meanwhile if you need miles, one might want to select Virgin as the airline of choice because miles can be doubled when traded in for Hilton Points or go to another hotel chain for Oct 1 to 17.

Hello Mr. XXX,

Get to your next Medallion status faster with Hilton HHonors™ and Delta. Sign up for this offer and you'll earn 250 Medallion Qualification Miles (MQM's) to elevate your Medallion status. Plus earn double miles and get to Award Travel faster when you book and complete a two-night stay between now and December 15, 2012 at any participating hotel or resort within the Hilton Worldwide portfolio.* Be sure to select Delta as your preferred Double Dip® Points & Miles™ partner in your HHonors profile to qualify for this offer. With two times the rewards, you'll get to experiences worth sharing faster than ever.

https://www.hiltonhhonors.com/processlanding/processlanding/?var=aBmeSAt4AcDt6v+fFdPVOA==

I have a 4 night stay at a DoubleTree in the right time period but it is an award stay. Hence, double bonus miles won't give me anything but I wonder if I will still get the 250 MQMs.

"Hilton HHonors: Our next global HHonors promotion will be officially announced to members on October 17, 2012. Make sure to check back later this month for more details!"
This is the answer on HHonors Facebook page to the question "what happened to Hilton/Miles & More promotion?". I still don't know what happened to the Miles & More promo but I sure now know that Q4 doesn't start on October 1...

It's funny. 15 days ago I posted this in this thread (bold type for emphasis):

Q4 2012 HHonors System-wide Promotion
(Promo Name-1,000 reasons)

Offer Details: Registered HHonors members will earn 1,000 HHonors Bonus Points each Thursday through Monday night of any stay occurring during the promotion period November 1 through December 31, 2012. (Tuesday and Wednesday are not bonused.)

Valid Stay Dates: November 1- December 31, 2012

Live Dates: October 17- Sneak Preview e-mail
October 31- Global email launch to remaining HHonors members
November 1- Global email launch to non HHonors

As you can tell from my post count I rarely do anything on here but lurk and post fact. Q2 I posted entire promo prior to release. Q3 posted what I knew as my person didn't give me the official memo, was correct minus a few details. Speculate away but I have proven my source to be reliable this is the promo VERBATIM.

I have a 4 night stay at a DoubleTree in the right time period but it is an award stay. Hence, double bonus miles won't give me anything but I wonder if I will still get the 250 MQMs.

It turns out that it doesn't matter. The DoubleTree I will be staying in is not a participating hotel. In fact, it doesn't look like there are many hotels that are.

In all of New York State there are only 12.

It turns out that it doesn't matter. The DoubleTree I will be staying in is not a participating hotel. In fact, it doesn't look like there are many hotels that are.

In all of New York State there are only 12.

Looks like a lot of the hotels listed are ones that cater to tourists on weekend (HGVC's, Times Square Hilton).

HHonors.com/deltamqm

Get to your next Medallion status faster with Hilton HHonors™ and Delta. Sign up for this offer and you'll earn 250 Medallion Qualification Miles (MQM's) to elevate your Medallion status. Plus earn double miles and get to Award Travel faster when you book and complete a two-night stay between now and December 15, 2012 at any participating hotel or resort within the Hilton Worldwide portfolio.* Be sure to select Delta as your preferred Double Dip® Points & Miles™ partner in your HHonors profile to qualify for this offer. With two times the rewards, you'll get to experiences worth sharing faster than ever.

*To be eligible for this offer, you must (1) select Delta Air Lines as your preferred Double Dip® Points & Miles Partner in your Hilton HHonors account profile, (2) complete a minimum 2-night stay at a hotel or resort within the Hilton Worldwide portfolio from October 2, 2012 through December 15, 2012, and (3) register online at HHonors.com/deltamqm prior to check-out. You must be a Hilton HHonors member to earn points and miles for hotel stays. Bonus Delta Mileage (Variable Miles Members): For qualifying stays at HOME2 Suites by Hilton hotels, earn up to 100 bonus miles per qualifying stay + 250 Medallion Qualification Miles (MQMs). For all other Hilton Worldwide brands, earn 1 bonus mile for every U. S. dollar spent on a qualifying stay + 250 MQMs. Bonus Delta Mileage (Fixed Miles Members): Earn 500 bonus miles per qualifying stay + 250 MQMs at Waldorf Astoria Hotels & Resorts, Conrad Hotels & Resorts, Hilton Hotels & Resorts, DoubleTree by Hilton, Embassy Suites by Hilton, Hilton Garden Inn and Hilton Grand Vacations. Earn 100 bonus miles per qualifying stay + 250 MQMs at Hampton Inn, Hampton by Hilton and Homewood Suites by Hilton. Earn up to 100 bonus miles per qualifying stay + 250 MQMs at Home2 Suites by Hilton.

Why wouldn't you just do five Hilton stays that you would credit to VS for the promo? Then transfer the 20K VS back to HH for 40K HH? Basically 6K HH bonus PER one night stay for up to 5 stays.

I think that the maximum might be 15k miles: https://hiltonhhonors.com/ProcessLanding/ProcessLanding/?var=4TdOnFclkj69CrgwVc/cFQ==.

It also looks like choosing variable miles gets you an extra 2 miles/USD compared with choosing fixed miles.

I've always chosen points and never flown Virgin, so we'll see how it goes! Too bad that my 3 separate Conrad HK reservations will only be 1 stay!

Thanks

Dr. PITUK

I think that the maximum might be 15k miles: https://hiltonhhonors.com/ProcessLanding/ProcessLanding/?var=4TdOnFclkj69CrgwVc/cFQ==.

It also looks like choosing variable miles gets you an extra 2 miles/USD compared with choosing fixed miles.

I've always chosen points and never flown Virgin, so we'll see how it goes! Too bad that my 3 separate Conrad HK reservations will only be 1 stay!



Five stays earns you 15K BONUS miles and 1000 BASE miles per stay. The total number of miles you would earn is 20K that you can transfer to 40K HH. The number of base miles that you can earn at Hampton Inn, Homewood Suites and Home 2 Suites is lower.

Five stays earns you 15K BONUS miles and 1000 BASE miles per stay. The total number of miles you would earn is 20K that you can transfer to 40K HH. The number of base miles than you can earn at Hampton Inn, Homewood Suites and Home 2 Suites is lower.

Thanks for that. I misread it.

I'm only going to have 2 stays before the end of October (and then not sure), so I may end up staying with my points+points in any case.

Thanks

Dr. PITUK

Hi,

I had already booked 7 trips using DL as my preferred airline. How can I best change that DL designation for these stays to VA account? At checkin? Calling Diamond Desk?

thanks Gwen

Hi,

I had already booked 7 trips using DL as my preferred airline. How can I best change that DL designation for these stays to VA account? At checkin? Calling Diamond Desk?

thanks Gwen

If your reservations are prepaid, only the hotel can do it.
This can be done any time before each check out.

If your reservations are changeable, phoning might work.

Hi,

I had already booked 7 trips using DL as my preferred airline. How can I best change that DL designation for these stays to VA account? At checkin? Calling Diamond Desk?


You have to be very specific what you request:

- VA (Virgin Australia) is a Hilton HHonors partner
- VX (Virgin America) and VS (Virgin Atlantic) are

When you check in make sure that you request VIRGIN ATLANTIC miles and give them your frequent flier number. Make sure that VS/Virgin Atlantic and your FF number are listed on the folio.

You have to be very specific what you request:

- VA (Virgin Australia) is not a Hilton HHonors partner
- VX (Virgin America) and VS (Virgin Atlantic) are

When you check in make sure that you request VIRGIN ATLANTIC miles and give them your frequent flier number. Make sure that VS/Virgin Atlantic and your FF number are listed on the folio.

Thank you for correcting my airline designator. Yes it is VS Virgin Atlantic that I will want to use.

I just called the DD and she said no hotels have opted out of the Virgin Atlantic promo; is there a list out there?

And you have the same chance of winning if you sit in the Marriot and enter online as you do by staying at the Hilton.


Actually no.

Earn additional entries when you complete a night stay at a hotel within the Hilton Worldwide portfolio: Earn additional entries when you complete a night stay at a hotel within the Hilton Worldwide portfolio: Stay at any property in the Hilton Worldwide portfolio. If your reservation is connected with your HHonorsTM
Membership number you will receive one (1) entry into the Grand Prize drawing for each night that you stay during the Promotion Period.

You have to be very specific what you request:

- VA (Virgin Australia) is not a Hilton HHonors partner
- VX (Virgin America) and VS (Virgin Atlantic) are

When you check in make sure that you request VIRGIN ATLANTIC miles and give them your frequent flier number. Make sure that VS/Virgin Atlantic and your FF number are listed on the folio.

VA - Virgin Australia IS a Hilton HHonors partner, and they have a promo running to the end of October of double miles (Velocity points) per stay.

VA - Virgin Australia IS a Hilton HHonors partner, and they have a promo running to the end of October of double miles (Velocity points) per stay.

You are absolutely correct. I was looking an old page that I had saved about the partners.

Has anyone checked out in October yet? Maybe the Q3 promo points will be credited as long as the Q4 promo doesn't run? Any evidence for or against that?

Has anyone checked out in October yet? Maybe the Q3 promo points will be credited as long as the Q4 promo doesn't run? Any evidence for or against that?

I don't know....

https://www.hiltonhhonors.com/Quarterlypages/2012/Q3/landing.aspx

The offer (“Triple Your Trip”) is valid for eligble stays completed between July 1 and September 30, 2012 ("Promotion Period") at any participating hotel or resort in the Hilton Worldwide portfolio (<click here for hotels who have chosen to not participate>). Hilton HHonors™ members must first register at HHonors.com/Triple prior to check-out of your stay within the Promotion Period.

@:-)

VA - Virgin Australia IS a Hilton HHonors partner, and they have a promo running to the end of October of double miles (Velocity points) per stay.

Yes they are, except its triple miles (Velocity points) per stay.

Up to 4x Miles and More miles.

double miles for the second stay
triple miles for the third stay
quadruple miles for the fourth stay or further stays within the promotional period

Register at

http://www.hiltonhhonors.com/vierfach

T&C

Participation in the promotion is only possible after you have registered at http://www.hiltonhhonors.com/vierfach;
This offer applies after successful registration for chargeable stays in participating hotels between 1 October and 31 December 2012;
Only stays that were booked after registration qualify you to receive Miles & More award miles;
Hilton HHonors members, who select ‘Fixed miles award’ in their profile, will receive the basic 500 Miles & More miles per stay. In addition members receive 500 Miles & More award miles for their second stay, 1,000 award miles for their third stay and 1,500 award miles for their fourth stay and any subsequent stays;
Customers must be Hilton HHonors members to receive award miles;
Hilton HHonors members must have selected ‘Points & Miles’ in their profile and also chosen Miles & More as their preferred airline partner;

I called the Diamond Line and they claim they do not know exactly when or if a 4Q promotion will happen. She did tell me that her supervisor claims they are going to roll one out around the 17th of October. Poor planning if you ask me but I am grateful that I personally do not have any trips scheduled before that date!

I posted this on a different thread and then realized there is this "official one" - let me know if I should delete the other one. (Posting from the iPhone app so I don't know how to link to that other thread, same with photo of promo advertisement described below).

Also - I will be checking into a Hilton tonight for a two night stay and will be happy to report back once bonus mileage and/or mqms are credited.

On a DL flight at the moment and on p135 of the new October 2012 issue of Sky magazine, it reads:

EARN MILES FOR YOUR NEXT ESCAPE.

HILTON HHONORS
Escape with twice the rewards. Earn 250 Medallion Qualification Miles and double miles for every two-night stay at participating hotels or resorts within the Hilton Worldwide portfolio by December 15, 2012.

Actually no.

Yep, I read that about staying the night getting you an entry. As does using the web form. And as does mailing in your details.

But then it says you can only enter once per day, so I took that to mean if you stay, submit online and submit by mail for a single day you only get entered once, and technically have breached the rules (as written).

100'000 hhonors point bounty for the head of each travelocity roaming gnome.

4th Quarter Amesty program:

50 HHonrs points for every unopened returned bar of soap or mini bottle of shampoo
100 HHonors points for every washcloth returned
200 HHonors ponts for every hand towl returnd
500 HHonors points for every bath towl returned
750 HHonors points for every compact flourescent light bulb returned
1000 HHonors points for every returned pillow
2000 HHonors points for every returned duvet

... etc.

I've got a huge stash of pens that could be ransomed. I like the Hilton pens but I'm really partial to the fluorescent Hyatt Place ballpoints.