Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners) - Lufthansa will close the flight singapore-jakarta?

Lufthansa will stop the singapore-jakarta fllight in autumn. I just read it and I asked myself, what about the LH people working at the jakarta airport (LH station manager etc)?

Lufthansa will stop the singapore-jakarta fllight in autumn. I just read it and I asked myself, what about the LH people working at the jakarta airport (LH station manager etc)?

Might add: and the LH city office? Will it stay open? Had encountered some excellent service from the folks there.

I just read it and I asked myself, what about the LH people working at the jakarta airport (LH station manager etc)?

Probably they will join EK or QR staff :D

I know a guy who used to be a sales manager at LH and due to an internal conflict inside the office he left the LH group.

Surprisingly he visited me after one year and handed me his new business card as a sales manager for EK :D

Probably they will join EK or QR staff :D

I know a guy who used to be a sales manager at LH and due to an internal conflict inside the office he left the LH group.

Surprisingly he visited me after one year and handed me his new business card as a sales manager for EK :D

LH will not just stop SIN-CGK-SIN, but actually get rid of MUC-SIN-MUC. I don't think it is loaded in the reservation systems after Oct 28. LH pax will supposedly transfer onto SQ flights (codeshare). Since SQ plow that route (with continuation to MAN) and LH has A380 on FRA-SIN-FRA the MUC flights appears to have suffered load wise.

just read the other thread on this regarding LH790. All there

Stations are usually only staffed with one station manager and 2-3 duty managers, the rest is all contract staff in LH uniform. The station and duty managers move all over the place, usually rotated every 3-5 years, so no harm done. The sales office will stay open, they sell tickets with *A feeders already, can't see that changing.

That's too bad to see LH disappear off this route.

Now it's SQ if you want to stay in STAR Alliance or LCC's.

The station manager will stay if some LH Cargo flights remain, as they are responsible for passengers and cargo, even though it might be only 1-2x a month.

The cancellation of the route seems to have been moved forward from 28th of october to 15th of October.
Seems LH is pulling out as quickly as possibly...

The cancellation of the route seems to have been moved forward from 28th of october to 15th of October.
Seems LH is pulling out as quickly as possibly...

Its a very interesting move. Even if they're losing out to EK and the likes Indonesia is one of the fastest growing economies with a very vital consumption driven economy. While it makes sense to deploy planes on more profitable routes, it might be a move that will hurt in the long run.

While it makes sense to deploy planes on more profitable routes, it might be a move that will hurt in the long run.

I am not sure if that is correct. I have taken many times the sector SIN-CGK-SIN and to my surprise the plane goes with almost empty seats in all classes.

I think LH stopped flying to CGK because of low loads not just low yields.

[QUOTE=NA-Flyer;19030282]I am not sure if that is correct. I have taken many times the sector SIN-CGK-SIN and to my surprise the plane goes with almost empty seats in all classes.

I think LH stopped flying to CGK because of low loads not just low yields.[/QUOTE

No more cargo MUC-CGK??

I am not sure if that is correct. I have taken many times the sector SIN-CGK-SIN and to my surprise the plane goes with almost empty seats in all classes.

I think LH stopped flying to CGK because of low loads not just low yields.

It's revenue yield from passengers and cargo, not load-factor, that is stacked up against costs.

The $$$$ of operating tag flights such as SIN CGK are scary. The opportunity cost of taking up 4 hours of a wide-body aircraft + crew costs and all the other direct operating costs won't make much sense unless sector revenues and network contribution are significant. Load factors on the tag sector itself give very little indication of the underlying yields.

The few tags that are left on the LH network - I think only SGN and KUL - are unlikely to be safe from analysis by the fun-loving accountants at LH HQ.

The few tags that are left on the LH network - I think only SGN and KUL - are unlikely to be safe from analysis by the fun-loving accountants at LH HQ.

Maybe we should tell the HQ that by cutting 100% flights, they could reduce flight costs by 100% as well. And even make a absolute record year by just selling all those money-costing airplanes! Isn't that like a great idea?

come on :rolleyes::rolleyes:... the reason for the CGK tag was that the aircraft was standing around in SIN for the entire day. LH has no interest to send the A380 there, and with the MUC-SIN flight not making it, the CGK tag is history. SQ and TG are the designated *A feeder partners for most of SEAsia, the world will not end if LH metal doesn't fly a certain tag on.

Maybe we should tell the HQ that by cutting 100% flights, they could reduce flight costs by 100% as well. And even make a absolute record year by just selling all those money-costing airplanes! Isn't that like a great idea?

I recognise the wiff of irony, but just in case you miss the point....... there are profits to be made elsewhere: that's why employing expensive aircraft and crew on low-revenue/high-cost activities such as flying CGK SIN is silly. SQ can do the work and take Luthfansa's code, maintaining Jakarta on LH's network.

Losing the MUC SIN link as well as its tag looks like carelessness :) But with the A380 to fill on FRA SIN, the Munich route was doomed.

SQ and TG are the designated *A feeder partners for most of SEAsia, the world will not end if LH metal doesn't fly a certain tag on.

Bad news for award redemption is that Companion award won't work any more on this route.

I recognise the wiff of irony, but just in case you miss the point....... there are profits to be made elsewhere: that's why employing expensive aircraft and crew on low-revenue/high-cost activities such as flying CGK SIN is silly. SQ can do the work and take Luthfansa's code, maintaining Jakarta on LH's network.

Losing the MUC SIN link as well as its tag looks like carelessness :) But with the A380 to fill on FRA SIN, the Munich route was doomed.

I thought the SIN-CGK-SIN Route was actually flown because of exactly the opposite reason, because otherwise the airplane would have been sitting around from around 5pm (arrival in SIN) to 12pm (departing to MUC) in SIN, doing nothing, while it could have been flying from SIN to CGK in about 1.5 hours, do a turnaround, and fly back, all-in-all using about 5 hours for the whole thing, perfectly fitting in the waiting time it would have had in SIN otherwise. And instead of earning 0€ (and occupying a gate all evening in SIN), at least grabbing some peoples money who were using LH, rather than just gifting it to the local carriers..

Flying a nearly written off 744 to CGK may have made sense, but a megawhale, sorry lady bee on that short hop makes no sense. Once upon a time a bunny hopping (hoppelstrecke) route like FRA-ATH-DXB-CCU-BKK-SIN-CGK-MEL on a DC10 may have been accepted by pax who piad enough to make it work, but those days are long gone.

Flying a nearly written off 744 to CGK may have made sense, but a megawhale, sorry lady bee on that short hop makes no sense. Once upon a time a bunny hopping (hoppelstrecke) route like FRA-ATH-DXB-CCU-BKK-SIN-CGK-MEL on a DC10 may have been accepted by pax who piad enough to make it work, but those days are long gone.
Agree entirely.

Would it make any economic sense for LH to have a "small" plane stationed in SIN for this run? Or would this just be a crewing nightmare... (Doesn't IB do/did something like this at MIA for its South America flights...?)

Maybe one of those horrible, and now decommisioned, A300's can be brought back... :eek: ;)

The AB6 are all sold to the Iranian Mahan Air :p

BUilding a hub in SIN with A32S to compete with *A 'buddies' SQ, low cost Jetstar and friends? With German Crew that is bloody expensive? Is LH as badly nuts as UA and DL in NRT? Very unlikely :)

The AB6 are all sold to the Iranian Mahan Air :pPhew, thank heavens! I suffered those on too many LHR-FRA segments.

BUilding a hub in SIN with A32S to compete with *A 'buddies' SQ, low cost Jetstar and friends? With German Crew that is bloody expensive? Is LH as badly nuts as UA and DL in NRT? Very unlikely :)I would tend to agree with the broad sentiment, however, are they truly equal "buddies" with SQ? Like they are with say UA/CO/AC on transatlantics with revenue sharing in place...

I sense that the main reason for LH dropping the MUC-SIN-CGK route because they are cooperating with LX to start a non stop route from ZRH to SIN soon.

I am not sure if that is correct. I have taken many times the sector SIN-CGK-SIN and to my surprise the plane goes with almost empty seats in all classes.

I think LH stopped flying to CGK because of low loads not just low yields.

I've also flown the MUC-SIN-CGK route a good number of times. The business cabin always emptied out at SIN.

Nonstopyou:D

I thought the SIN-CGK-SIN Route was actually flown .... because otherwise the airplane would have been sitting around from around ...doing nothing, while it could have been flying from SIN to CGK in about 1.5 hours, do a turnaround, and fly back, all-in-all using about 5 hours for the whole thing, perfectly fitting in the waiting time it would have had in SIN otherwise. And instead of earning 0€ (and occupying a gate all evening in SIN), at least grabbing some peoples money who were using LH, rather than just gifting it to the local carriers..

Well, that's exactly the thinking that set up a plethora of add-on sectors last century: nearly all have gone.

Sao Paulo to Santiago or Buenos Aires; Johannesburg to Cape Town or Harare; Hong Kong to Manila, Bangkok to Singapore etc etc... it's a long list, and those examples just some from the LH/LX networks. You could also add ZRH GVA to the list :)

Simply because you have a very large aircaft available, doesn't make it sensible (in economic terms) to operate it. Accountants would have fun allocating all types of costs to the operation, but simply looking at the major direct operating costs of crewing and fuelling the aircraft would give a low-level ballpark for the revenue levels required to set against the costs.

And then you need to think of the cyclical and time-related maintenance costs; the landing and air navigation fees; ramp-handling, passenger-handling, catering ........

I would tend to agree with the broad sentiment, however, are they truly equal "buddies" with SQ?

That is why I highlighted the word :) SQ is one of the most difficult *A partners LH have out there. That said at CGK they have a good synergy, quite a few LH/SQ deals existed even before the cancellation of the SIN-CGK sector.

I sense that the main reason for LH dropping the MUC-SIN-CGK route because they are cooperating with LX to start a non stop route from ZRH to SIN soon.

This is exactly what I am thinking too. A ZRH-SIN would make much more sense than a MUC-SIN (yields). ZRH-SIN was operated 3 times a day not long ago (1 LX - 2 SQ). Now only one SQ A380 is doing the route, and it is a nightmare to find a seat in J, plus there is no evening flight ex-Switzerland. LX would perfectly fill the gap.
As a frequent user of this route, I would switch to LX from Day-1, without thinking twice

I spoke to a nice Indonesian LH chap (in German!) at checkin in CGK.
It seems the current staff have been offered to transfer to the reservations department which will stay in Indonesia. The cargo operations also seem to be staying.

All in all, this is a very nice outstation in terms of staff friendliness.
Shame the route will disappear.