Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners) - Whats the logic? Asuuming there is logic when it comes to LH

I fail to see the logic in this:
If you travel LH Y-class and bring an extra bag they charge you 100USD.
If you travel LH C-class and bring an axtra bag they charge you 200USD.

(this is based on travel DEN-FRA)

So the passenger who pays the least for the ticket, pays the least for an extra bag.

Am I just stupid - or is there a (LH-style) logic to this?

I fail to see the logic in this:
If you travel LH Y-class and bring an extra bag they charge you 100USD.
If you travel LH C-class and bring an axtra bag they charge you 200USD.

(this is based on travel DEN-FRA)

So the passenger who pay the least pays the least for an extra bag.

Am I just stupid - or is there a (LH-style) logic to this?

Your information is not correct.

http://www.lufthansa.com/mediapool/pdf/39/media_450411539.pdf

Your information is not correct.

http://www.lufthansa.com/mediapool/pdf/39/media_450411539.pdf


Why?

The prices I quoted are mentioned in your link (did you see page 3?)

When was the ticket issued?

P.S. I think it's some kind of concession since on flights to/from the US baggage allowance used to be more generous under the piece concept. When they standardised allowance from the previous weight concept in most part of the world to the weight concept, Economy passengers to/from the US lost out. It looks like they are now offering a special price for passengers to/from the US and Canada.

May 21st 2012

I fail to see the logic in this:
If you travel LH Y-class and bring an extra bag they charge you 100USD.
If you travel LH C-class and bring an axtra bag they charge you 200USD.

(this is based on travel DEN-FRA)

So the passenger who pays the least for the ticket, pays the least for an extra bag.

Am I just stupid - or is there a (LH-style) logic to this?

I am afraid you did not read the guidelines carefully enough:

To summarize:

Y: 1 bag free (23kg)
C: 2 bags free (32kg)

So if you travel with 2 bags:
-> In Y pay extra 100 (for additional 23) reduced price for second piece
-> In C pay nothing (as it already includes the second piece)

If you travel with three bags (assuming cheapest up to 23kg)
-> In Y pay another 200 (total = 300)
-> In C pay 200 (total = 200)

Well it depends how you look at it. The reduced price in the quoted PDF applies to the second checked bag only. The second bag is already free for C-class - see here (http://www.lufthansa.com/online/portal/lh/us/info_and_services/baggage?nodeid=3331125&l=en&cid=1000390).

Edit: Primetime 23 beat me to it with more details as well.

May 21st 2012
Different rates apply for ticket issued before June 1st 2012.

For tickets issued before 1 June 2012 the old rules and charges will continue to apply. Details of these are available on the following page:
Excess and special baggage for tickets issued before 1 June 2012 (PDF) (http://www.lufthansa.com/mediapool/pdf/55/media_503035255.pdf)

The actual rules are here:
http://www.lufthansa.com/mediapool/pdf/60/media_1084660.pdf

I fail to see the logic in this:
If you travel LH Y-class and bring an extra bag they charge you 100USD.
If you travel LH C-class and bring an axtra bag they charge you 200USD.

(this is based on travel DEN-FRA)

So the passenger who pays the least for the ticket, pays the least for an extra bag.

Am I just stupid - or is there a (LH-style) logic to this?

You always pay USD 200 for the third bag.

Am I just stupid - or is there a (LH-style) logic to this?

I think you got your answer.... No specific LH logic here, just common sense :p

I fail to see the logic in this:
If you travel LH Y-class and bring an extra bag they charge you 100USD.
If you travel LH C-class and bring an axtra bag they charge you 200USD.

(this is based on travel DEN-FRA)

So the passenger who pays the least for the ticket, pays the least for an extra bag.

Am I just stupid - or is there a (LH-style) logic to this?

No need to give up....but to be honest I don't see where the problem is.

If you fly Y, 1 bag is for free, if you fly C, 2 bags etc. Whatever exceeds the 158cm or the baggage pieces/weight allowance = $ or £ or € :td:

I fail to see the logic in this:
If you travel LH Y-class and bring an extra bag they charge you 100USD.
If you travel LH C-class and bring an axtra bag they charge you 200USD.

(this is based on travel DEN-FRA)

So the passenger who pays the least for the ticket, pays the least for an extra bag.

Am I just stupid - or is there a (LH-style) logic to this?

Even if these were the right prices then this seems quite normal marketing principles. Those who can pay more pay more.

When buying a car metallic paint for something like a Skoda is a cheaper option than metallic paint on a BMW. The price for the extras does not have to be related to the actual cost but what the market will bear.

Please read what's been answered already... the OP apparently didn't know or see that in C the 2nd bag is free as well.

So your car story isn't relevant.

Thank you for your answers.
Yes I did know that the second bag is free in C-class.

My point is:
First bag over the limit is twice as expensive in C-class as in cattle class - that to me does not seem logical. ie the guy who buys the cheapest of the cheapest y-class tickets takes his extra bag for 100USD, the girl who flyes the most expensive c-class tickets pays double that for her first extra bag.
Sorry guys, you gotta be German to understand that logic.

(yes I know this applies to flights ex North America only)

You can twist the facts to make your case I guess. As people have already said, the third bag costs €200 no matter what class you travel. Seems perfectly logical to me.....

Unless you are moving somewhere 3 bags is really too much and I figure they are trying to prevent a lot of people doing that, not that many need it.

And are you just complaining or do you actually plan to travel with 3 bags?

Thank you for your answers.
Yes I did know that the second bag is free in C-class.

My point is:
First bag over the limit is twice as expensive in C-class as in cattle class - that to me does not seem logical. ie the guy who buys the cheapest of the cheapest y-class tickets takes his extra bag for 100USD, the girl who flyes the most expensive c-class tickets pays double that for her first extra bag.
Sorry guys, you gotta be German to understand that logic.

(yes I know this applies to flights ex North America only)
Just because you don't buy into the logic doesn't mean there isn't any logic. Posts #6, #9 and #15 explain the reasoning quite well; the C traveller comes out ahead (2nd bag free, higher per-bag allowance) unless s/he needs to travel with a huge haul.

BTW, making a xenophobic remark about Germans doesn't in any way advance your argument or win you points in the LH forum. :)

BTW, making a xenophobic remark about Germans doesn't in any way advance your argument or win you points in the LH forum. :)
I don't think he necessarily was being xenophobic. I understood it as the fact that he's German and therefore, from some stereotype of Germans, he's saying that they try to save as much money as possible?

Or of course your completely right and he forgot that he was actually talking with people living in/frequently flying in Germany

There may be a logic to this, but certainly not "common sense". Most people are surprised that they have to pay the more expensive price for the first bag over the limit. I think it's just another attempt at milking the cow for the last penny, and this might actually drive away even more people to other airlines that haven't introduced this scheme.

HTB.

I don't think he necessarily was being xenophobic. I understood it as the fact that he's German and therefore, from some stereotype of Germans, he's saying that they try to save as much money as possible?

Or of course your completely right and he forgot that he was actually talking with people living in/frequently flying in Germany
I think s/he was being xenophobic because:

(1) Some Germans don't agree with LH's logic
(2) Some non-Germans do understand the logic

(Remember, s/he said, 'You gotta be German to understand that logic'. I'm not a German, but I understand it, and I don't care about it because I don't need more than one checked piece of luggage in my travels.)

There's a business logic, but it has nothing to do with nationality. :)

It does boil down to RTW1's question:

And are you just complaining or do you actually plan to travel with 3 bags?



P.S. Something tells me from OP's choice of words that s/he's not German.

There may be a logic to this, but certainly not "common sense". Most people are surprised that they have to pay the more expensive price for the first bag over the limit. I think it's just another attempt at milking the cow for the last penny, and this might actually drive away even more people to other airlines that haven't introduced this scheme.

HTB.

This is a great statement.^

And are you just complaining or do you actually plan to travel with 3 bags?

Yes I do need to travel with 3 bags. (personal belongings and quite a lot of company stuff - company will pay, but still its money out of pocket for the company)

And as for the xonofobic comment: Half german male here. :rolleyes:

And as for the xonofobic comment: Half german male here. :rolleyes:
Fair enough. I retract my comment. :)

I remain mystified by your sentence about having to be German to understand the logic.

The OP also failed to account for the fact that:

Weight limit for 2nd piece (i.e. 1st extra piece) in Y: 23kg
Weight limit for 3rd piece (i.e. 2nd extra piece) in C: 32kg

If you wanted a 32kg extra piece in Y, the price would in fact be USD 450. Therefore, the comparison of USD 100 vs. USD 200 is not valid. A perfectly like-for-like comparison would result in a price of USD 450 in Y vs. USD 200 in C.

Yes I do need to travel with 3 bags. (personal belongings and quite a lot of company stuff - company will pay, but still its money out of pocket for the company)

I still don't see the reason for your post... You can easily find the information what each extra bag in the different classes cost you when flying LH. Nobody is forcing you to fly with them, if you can find a cheaper offer just fly with someone else.

Or look at shipping your stuff another way... But you will probably find that's even more expensive. I guess that's one of the reasons for the prices.

It's almost as you want to set the price LH should charge..

The OP also failed to account for the fact that:

Weight limit for 2nd piece (i.e. 1st extra piece) in Y: 23kg
Weight limit for 3rd piece (i.e. 2nd extra piece) in C: 32kg

You failed to realize the possibility that the OP's third back only weighs 5kg. So your comparison doesn't make the fees any fairer.

HTB.

Fair enough. I retract my comment. :)

I remain mystified by your sentence about having to be German to understand the logic.

Then you've never been to Germany? Hardly Xenophobic.

Then you've never been to Germany? Hardly Xenophobic.
:confused: Eh? I have no idea where you're coming from.

I made the point that LH logic is not necessarily German logic.

BTW, I live in Germany.