Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners) - Lufthansa W12 Operation Changes [merged]

According to http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/02/lh-w12update3/

As per 02JUL12 GDS timetable and inventory display, latest changes to Lufthansa’s Winter 2012/13 long-haul operation as follows. Note in Jan/Feb 2013, Lufthansa will reduce long-haul operation on several routes. Certain routes has seen seasonal cuts in the past (in Jan/Feb), while some are seeing reductions for the first time in W12 during slow season.

Frankfurt – Abu Dhabi – Muscat 07JAN13 – 07FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly
Frankfurt – Bangalore 09JAN13 – 07FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 6 weekly
Frankfurt – Boston 08JAN13 – 13FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly
Frankfurt – Chennai 07JAN13 – 07FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly (Overall sees 3-class A340-300 operation with re-introduction of First Class service. W11 was A340-600, S12 2-class A340-300)
Frankfurt – Dallas 08JAN13 – 13FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly
Frankfurt – Denver 08JAN13 – 13FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly
Frankfurt – Doha – Bahrain 09JAN13 – 07FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 6 weekly
Frankfurt – Hong Kong 08JAN13 – 07FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5-6 weekly
Frankfurt – Johannesburg 08JAN13 – 30JAN13 Service reduces from daily to 6 weekly
Frankfurt – Khartoum – Addis Ababa Service operates 6 weekly instead of planned daily
Frankfurt – Lagos – Port Harcourt 16JAN13 – 06FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 6 weekly
Frankfurt – Nagoya 06JAN13 – 07FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly (Overall sees Airbus A340-600 operates daily, replacing 6 weekly A340-300 and 1 weekly -600)
Frankfurt – New York JFK 08JAN13 – 13FEB13 LH404/405 operates 5 weekly instead of daily (overall service operates 12 weekly. LH400/401 in W12 operates with 747-400 instead of A340-600 in W11; LH404/405 operates A340-600 instead of 747-400 in W11)
Frankfurt – Osaka 07JAN13 – 07FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly
Frankfurt – Rio de Janeiro 07JAN13 – 13FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly (Overall service in Winter increases from 6 weekly to daily, excluding Jan/Feb 2013)
Frankfurt – Seattle 08JAN13 – 13FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly
Frankfurt – Toronto 08JAN13 – 13FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly
Frankfurt – Vancouver 08JAN13 – 13FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly

Previously reported changes:
Frankfurt – Bogota Service increasing from 5 weekly to 1 daily, A340-600 operating
Frankfurt – Houston A380 continues operation on/after 28OCT12 (A380 to be introduced from 01AUG12)
Frankfurt – Orlando Airbus A340-600 operates daily, replacing 747-400 in W11
Frankfurt – Philadelphia Service operates 5 times a week (Day x24), same as W11. A330-300 operates on Day 3 instead of A340-300
Frankfurt – Singapore Service is now displaying A380 operation, previously displayed as 747-400
Frankfurt – Tel Aviv 2 Daily flights operated by A330-300, replacing A330/340 mix
Munich – Beijing Planned service increase from 5 weekly to daily is shelved
Munich – Boston Airbus A330-300 replaces A340-300 on Day x237
Munich – Charlotte Service reduces from daily to
27DEC12 – 16JAN13 5 weekly
17JAN13 – 13FEB13 6 weekly

Munich – Chicago 15JAN13 – 26FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 6 weekly
Munich – Dubai Airbus A340-300 replaces -600 on following
28OCT12 – 31DEC12 Day x126 (Day x237 from DXB)
04JAN13 – 03MAR13 Day 57 (Day 16 from DXB)
04MAR13 – 29MAR13 Day x126 (Day x237 from DXB)

Munich – Hong Kong Service reduces from daily to
07JAN13 – 22JAN13 5 weekly
23JAN13 – 05FEB13 6 weekly

Munich – Los Angeles Service reduces from daily to
28OCT12 – 20JAN13 6 weekly
21JAN13 – 03MAR13 4 weekly
10MAR13 – 30MAR13 6 weekly

Munich – Mexico City Planned service on launch from 01FEB13 once again postponed until 31MAR13
Munich – Montreal Service reduces from daily to
28OCT12 – 13JAN13 5 weekly
14JAN13 – 24FEB13 4 weekly
25FEB13 – 29MAR13 5 weekly

Munich – New York JFK 09JAN13 – 12FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly
Munich – San Francisco 23JAN13 – 12FEB13 / 20FEB13 – 05MAR13 Service reduces from daily to 6 weekly
Munich – Seoul Incheon – Busan Planned service increase from 5 weekly to daily is shelved
Munich – Tel Aviv Airbus A321 replaces A330-300, 5 weekly
Munich – Tokyo Narita 03JAN13 – 05FEB13 Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly
Munich – Washington Dulles Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly. Temporary suspension in effect from 23DEC12 to 28MAR13

Between 21DEC12 to 02JAN13, selected services will not be operating.

Wow ....

This is quite a cut in service, one almost wonders if they have plans to take a chunk of their fleet out of service during Jan / Feb for servicing / refits / whatever ??

My thoughts exactly! Must be retrofitting or heavy maintenance...

Wow ....

This is quite a cut in service, one almost wonders if they have plans to take a chunk of their fleet out of service during Jan / Feb for servicing / refits / whatever ??

I'm sure they are planning to refit new C to the chunk of their fleet :D

Hmmm, that is a seriously large number of reductions.

And an A321 to TLV ex MUC!

Hmmm, that is a seriously large number of reductions.

Effects of loss of market share addressed by attempting to cut cost- rarely successful and often detrimental.

This seems to be a large cut in capacity, anyone care to comment if this is similar to previous winter schedules?

Effects of loss of market share addressed by attempting to cut cost- rarely successful and often detrimental.

Another factor to talk about is LH crazy pricing these days for business class fares and zeroing of P and Z fare buckets to increase yields despite having low loads.

Interesting to compare to this

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/18848752-post1625.html

This seems to be a large cut in capacity, anyone care to comment if this is similar to previous winter schedules?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/1249358-lh-winter-schedule-changes.html (Winter 2011-12)

Frankfurt – Beirut Service operates 9 weekly Airbus A319 in W11, instead of mix of A319/320 (Overall reduction from 12 weekly in W10)
Frankfurt – Cape Town Boeing 747-400 replace previously planned Airbus A340-600
Frankfurt – New York JFK All 2 Daily Service Airbus A340-600 replace Boeing 747-400 (which replaces A330-300 in W10)
Frankfurt – Newark LH402/403 Boeing 747-400 replace previously planned A340-600 (W10 was A340-300. Overall service remain 2 Daily)
Frankfurt – Orlando Boeing 747-400 operates in W11 on Daily basis, same as W10, 08FEB11 – 20FEB11 Reduce from Daily to 6 weekly (Day x2)

Previously mentioned changes:
Frankfurt – Abu Dhabi Service becomes terminator flight, no longer extends to Muscat. A330-300 operating
Frankfurt – Accra Increase from 5 weekly (Day x35) to Daily. However, service operates with PrivatAir Boeing 737-800 (C32Y60) instead of A330-300 (F8C48Y165). Duty-free service not available on 737 flight
Frankfurt – Atlanta Daily service, compared to 6 weekly in W10 (Day x4)
Frankfurt – Boston Boeing 747-400 replace Airbus A340-600 in Winter 2011, 08FEB12 – 21FEB12 Reduce from Daily to 6 weekly (Day x3)
Frankfurt – Caracas 01FEB12 – 13FEB12 Reduce from Daily to 6 weekly (Day x2). Service in W11 operates with A340-600 instead of -300 in NW10
Frankfurt – Chennai Daily A340-600 service (1 of 7 weekly operated with -300 in W10)
Frankfurt – Dallas Winter service operates 6 weekly (Day x7), compared to Daily in W10
Frankfurt – Dammam Service becomes terminator flight once again, no longer extends to Bahrain. However, service is to be operated by PrivatAir Boeing 737-800, 4 times a week
Frankfurt – Denver Boeing 747-400 replace Airbus A340-600 in Winter 2011
Frankfurt – Detroit Service operates Daily A330-300, same as W10
Frankfurt – Doha – Bahrain Service operates NONSTOP on FRA DOH, replace 1-stop via Riyadh. Frequency reduce from Daily to 6 weekly. For Bahrain service, flight now is operating via Doha, replace Dammam stop. Frequency increase to 6 weekly
Frankfurt – Hyderabad 3 weekly Airbus A340-300 CANCELLED
Frankfurt – Khartoum Nonstop PrivatAir Boeing 737-800 service replaced by 1-stop A340-300 via Jeddah, 4 weekly
Frankfurt – Kuwait Daily A340-300, replace A330-300 in W10
Frankfurt – Lagos 3 of 7 weekly (Day 257) Airbus A330-300 replace A340-300
Frankfurt – Miami Daily A380 service
Frankfurt – Nagoya Day 136 (NGO Day 247) A340-600 replace -300
Frankfurt – Nanjing Planned 4th weekly service in Winter 2011 has received Government Approval (currently in operation in S11)
Frankfurt – Osaka Kansai Boeing 747-400 replace Airbus A340-600 in Winter 2011
Frankfurt – Philadelphia Reduce from 6 weekly (Day x1) in W10 to 5 weekly in W11 (Day x24). Additional capacity reduction with A330-300 operating once a week instead of A340-300, but offers First Class service
Frankfurt – Rio de Janeiro Service resumption (See post on 17FEB11)
Frankfurt – Riyadh – Muscat Muscat service is now operating via Riyadh, replace Abu Dhabi. Riyadh – Doha sector no longer operating. A340-600 operates Daily
Frankfurt – San Francisco Daily 747-400 service
Frankfurt – Seoul Incheon Daily A340-600 operating, compared to 5 weekly in W10
Frankfurt – Singapore Airbus A380 replace Boeing 747-400. Singapore – Jakarta sector will shift to Munich departure/arrival
Frankfurt – Tehran Planned Boeing 747-400 service in Winter 2011, canceled. Service operates with A340-600

Munich – Cairo 3 weekly Airbus A321 replace 4 weekly PrivatAir Boeing 737-800 service (See post on 23MAY11)
Munich – Charlotte 30OCT11 – 23DEC11/01FEB12 – 24MAR12 Increase from 5 to 6 weekly. Mix of A330-300/A340-300 operation (W10 was 5 weekly A330-300)
Munich – Chicago A340-300 operating, replace -600 in W10 (Frequency variation from 01JAN12 to 19FEB12)
Munich – Delhi Day 7 from MUC, Day 1 from DEL sees A340-300 replace -600
Munich – Hong Kong Daily A340-600, increase from 5 weekly in W10
Munich – Los Angeles Service Remains 5 weekly, previously planned Daily (4 weekly from 04JAN12 to 19FEB12)
Munich – Montreal Service Remains 5 weekly, previously planned Daily (4 weekly from 26JAN12 to 19FEB12)
Munich – Mumbai Winter service operates Daily, an increase from 5 weekly in W10. A330-300 operates Day x67, A340-300 on Day 67 (BOM departs following day)
Munich – Newark A340-300 operates on selected dates between 27DEC11 and 25JAN12 (6 weekly from 08FEB12 to 22FEB12)
Munich – New York JFK A330-300 operating Daily, replace A340-600 in W10 (6 weekly from 08JAN12 to 14FEB12)
Munich – Riyadh service will extend to Jeddah, with A340-300 operating, replacing Boeing 737-800 by PrivatAir
Munich – San Francisco Reduce from Daily to 6 weekly from 01FEB12 to 21FEB12
Munich – Sao Paulo Daily Airbus A340-600, increase from 5 weekly A340-300 in W10
Munich – Seoul Incheon – Busan Service Remains 5 weekly, previously planned Daily
Munich – Singapore Daily, increase from 5 weekly in W10, service extends to Jakarta
Munich – Tashkent 3 weekly PrivatAir Boeing 737-800 service CANCELLED
Munich – Tel Aviv 2 weekly Airbus A340-300 and 3 weekly -600 service (5 weekly A340-300 in W10; previous plan was 4 -300 + 1 -600)
Munich – Tokyo Narita Day 134 from MUC, Day 245 from NRT operates with A340-300 instead of -600 (Service reduction to 5-6 weekly from 01JAN12 to 05FEB12)
Dusseldorf – Chicago Service operates 4 weekly, reduced from 5 in W10
Dusseldorf – Miami Service operates 5 weekly, reduced from 6 – 7 weekly in W10
Dusseldorf – Toronto Service converts to year-round, 3 weekly A330-300 service in W11

Additional changes:
Frankfurt – Dubai: A340-600 replace B747-400
Frankfurt – Riyadh – Muscat: A340-300 replace A340-600
Frankfurt – Tehran: B747-400 replace previously planned A340-600

Interesting to compare to this

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/18848752-post1625.html
Indeed, not just across the board in general, but EK is increasing seats right into the heart of LuftyLand too. :eek:

Dubai – Frankfurt eff 01OCT12 EK043/044 Boeing 777-300ER with Suites replaces A330-200

No cuts ex DUS apparently :confused:

No cuts ex DUS apparently :confused:
Not many longhaul flights to cut in the first place? :p

Another factor to talk about is LH crazy pricing these days for business class fares and zeroing of P and Z fare buckets to increase yields despite having low loads.

Yes. Really crazy. I have several examples where P/Z seem won't price for the return with the outbound. In the last three weeks I have seen this with PVG, HKG, DEN, GRU... crazy prices (more than double AF/KL/IB/BA and even AZ!) and even more than double with EK/QR (see the revenue management is losing the plot thread).

These cuts are directly impacting me :-(, as BOS is cut down pretty hard. Would like to find out what days exactly are cut.

And an A321 to TLV ex MUC!
:mad:

Hopefully FRA will still be operated with long-haul equipment.

These cuts are directly impacting me :-(, as BOS is cut down pretty hard. Would like to find out what days exactly are cut.

Not just you volta- I share and feel your pain (not for BOS really, however for many other locations- the CAN cut earlier this year was not good for me either).

Not just you volta- I share and feel your pain (not for BOS really, however for many other locations- the CAN cut earlier this year was not good for me either).

As BOS is starting/ending point, so all TATL flights are impacting me. Plus I have to get to MAA/BLR in that period, so have to make some decisions.

As I have till end of Feb 2013 4 trips to India and few to EMEA and one to APAC (all in C), was considering to make a run at HON. Now with this (and my SEN status secured to 2016), maybe I should switch to OneWorld for the rest of the year and check out BA.

Interesting to compare to this

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/18848752-post1625.html

Certainly, the reduced capacity to TLV by LH is related to Emirates new routes ;)

:mad:

Hopefully FRA will still be operated with long-haul equipment.
No, you're ok...
According to http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/02/lh-w12update3/
Frankfurt – Tel Aviv 2 Daily flights operated by A330-300, replacing A330/340 mix
Still, NEK on MUC-TLV is bad news.

Certainly, the reduced capacity to TLV by LH is related to Emirates new routes ;)

EK don't fly to TLV. So how this is going to impact the reduction of LH capacity to TLV ???

FRA-CPT will be changed to MUC-CPT this winter.
LH is starting to move flights from FRA to MUC.

FRA-CPT will be changed to MUC-CPT this winter.
LH is starting to move flights from FRA to MUC.

^^

Why on earth? Having too many runways in FRA and not enough in MUC? ;-)

LH is starting to move flights from FRA to MUC.

A much nicer experience for the connecting passenger.

^^

Why on earth? Having too many runways in FRA and not enough in MUC? ;-)
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/04/uk-lufthansa-capetown-idUKBRE86305720120704

http://presse.lufthansa.com/en/news-releases/singleview/archive/2012/july/04/article/2184.html

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/04/uk-lufthansa-capetown-idUKBRE86305720120704



I guess the new Berlin airport is the future @:-)

EK don't fly to TLV. So how this is going to impact the reduction of LH capacity to TLV ???

I think you will find that was the point and the purpose of the smiley.

EK can't fly to TLV due to 'differences of opinion' between the states!

EK can't fly to TLV due to 'differences of opinion' between the states!

And here I thought it was due to difficult cross winds :)

A much nicer experience for the connecting passenger.

I agree. For connecting passengers they care 1st about the flight timings, 2nd the connection capability and (excluding FF that have personal preference).

FRA may be my home airport these days but I would not choose to connect through it unless I had to. Done that in the past and it was never a nice experience.


LH been gradually increasing the flights out of MUC for some time so they do seem to prefer MUC over FRA these days, but they can't simply move everything as it is not practical or economical to do so. The 2 hub strategy can work well if there is enough demand for both.

MUC has more flexibility in expansion at the moment until T3 comes online @ FRA. But with MUC residents voting against a 3rd runway recently then this will become limited.


I guess the new Berlin airport is the future @:-)

I don't see it happening for at least a long time. Not enough P2P business traffic and LH don't need the hassle of 3 hubs, 2 is enough as a 3rd would just take traffic from the other 2. But maybe a few longhaul flights and a few transfers would be possible in the future, similar to DUS.

FRA-CPT will be changed to MUC-CPT this winter.
LH is starting to move flights from FRA to MUC.

Is it known what is the equipment used?

Is it known what is the equipment used?
A343 as mentioned in the press release posted above.

http://presse.lufthansa.com/en/news-releases/singleview/archive/2012/july/04/article/2184.html

LH is starting to move flights from FRA to MUC.A much nicer experience for the connecting passenger.

Besides a better passenger experience as a plus point, the main reason is:

"As the night flight ban in Frankfurt has been restrictively implemented, in the current summer flight schedule Lufthansa has already reduced departures from Frankfurt during evening hours or advanced them to earlier hours. The evening flight to Cape Town will now be moved from Frankfurt to Munich in the interests of increased flight operation reliability and stability."

If the FRA night flight ban continues to cause headaches, I predict there'll be a few more flights moving down to MUC. Especially come winter when the take-off queue would be even longer due to weather conditions thus resulting in more turn-backs. The only way to avoid this would be to start pushbacks even earlier than they already do, but that can't be done in all cases depending on the previous flight's turnaround times.

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If the FRA night flight ban continues to cause headaches, I predict there'll be a few more flights moving down to MUC.

Munich- the city that just voted not to add an extra runway to airport even though it is badly needed?

OK, a few factors come in here:

MUC gets more flights because they just got three new A330s which are already with the new product and has no night flight ban which hits the classic FRA (compulsory) night flights (BKK, SIN, JNB, CPT etc) badly.

LH is taking out 10-15% of its capacity to do the refits. Interesting how some complain about the C/F refit being so slow, and in turn about the capacity cuts.

LH is actually adding capacity to the fleet this year as the 3 A330s are pure additions and the 744 retirement pace is not at all matching the already slow 748i delivery pace :p

...LH is taking out 10-15% of its capacity to do the refits. ...

I highly appreciate this ! No complaints here.
In the longterm LH will benefit from this.

LH is actually adding capacity to the fleet this year as the 3 A330s are pure additions and the 744 retirement pace is not at all matching the already slow 748i delivery pace :p
Not forgetting the two A380s which joined the fleet this year. Ten A380s were added in the last two years with only two 744s retiring so far.

No complaints here either. ;)

Not forgetting the two A380s which joined the fleet this year. Ten A380s were added in the last two years with only two 744s retiring so far.

If I am not mistaken, some A343s went! Just for the full picture...

Another factor may be that Lufthansa may becoming more aggressive in Winter cancellations due to fuel prices driving an ever higher percentage of cost. Here's an interesting article in anna.aero about it.
http://www.anna.aero/2012/07/04/grounding-planes-in-winter-improves-profitability-the-new-network-planning-reality-explored-among-europes-airlines/
Given that LH's fleet has a relatively high average age, especially on longhaul (not-counting 388 and 748), it could make sense.

Another factor may be that Lufthansa may becoming more aggressive in Winter cancellations due to fuel prices driving an ever higher percentage of cost. Here's an interesting article in anna.aero about it.
http://www.anna.aero/2012/07/04/grounding-planes-in-winter-improves-profitability-the-new-network-planning-reality-explored-among-europes-airlines/
Given that LH's fleet has a relatively high average age, especially on longhaul (not-counting 388 and 748), it could make sense.

Huh? The Capital cost on those aircaft is massive and fuel is hedged, so no one at LH will park aircraft because of fuel... average is pretty good, about 10 744s and some 343s are old, the rest is pretty new: http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Lufthansa.htm

Huh? The Capital cost on those aircaft is massive and fuel is hedged, so no one at LH will park aircraft because of fuel... http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Lufthansa.htm

Hedged is not equal to cheap. And old aircraft just means "aircraft which is written down", e.g no cost of capital any more.

And: According to that site the average age of LH's fleet is 13 years, which is actually in the upper range. Ryanairs average fleet age is 4 years. And Germanwings', the biggest slasher according to anna.aero, is 6.5. If those guys cancel drastically, why shouldn't Lufthansa do it, if their ageing/written down fleet allows them to?

Drill down a bit into the details on airfleet. Comparing FR's fleet and parking rationale with a legacy longhaul carrier is quite a stretch.... :)

And: According to that site the average age of LH's fleet is 13 years, which is actually in the upper range. Ryanairs average fleet age is 4 years. And Germanwings', the biggest slasher according to anna.aero, is 6.5. If those guys cancel drastically, why shouldn't Lufthansa do it, if their ageing/written down fleet allows them to?

There's a difference between parking short-haul 737's (and leasing them) and parking long-haul aircraft.

Acording to http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/10/lh-muclax-w12/

As of 10JUL12, Lufthansa is further reducing Munich – Los Angeles Service. For most of Winter season, the Star Alliance member will operate 5 times a week, instead of previously planned 6 weekly. During slow season from 21JAN13 to 03MAR13, the airline will only operate 3 weekly flights.

Schedule:

LH452 MUC1550 – 1920LAX 346 x26
LH453 LAX2110 – 1730+1MUC 346 x26

From 21JAN13 to 03MAR13, service operates on Day 357 only

Acording to http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/10/lh-muclax-w12/

LAX must be yet another of the "low yield" destinations.

LAX must be yet another of the "low yield" destinations.

I think the LH capacity cuts has to do with fleet retrofit with new C and F products and fleet heavy maintenance more than lack of future bookings.

I think the LH capacity cuts has to do with fleet retrofit with new C and F products and fleet heavy maintenance more than lack of future bookings.

MUC-TLV-MUC always had nice loads even in the premium classes how come they will downgrade it to short haul equipment, obviously premium traffic will be lost.

I think the LH capacity cuts has to do with fleet retrofit with new C and F products and fleet heavy maintenance more than lack of future bookings.

As do I. AFIK LH is going to step up their retrofits during winter 2012-2013.

On a side note: Interesting to see that there are no reduction on the BKK flights, which some here claim to be LH`s worst performing route...

LAX must be yet another of the "low yield" destinations.

Based on the insane D/C/J prices from LAX to FRA/MUC (POS US), good Eco traffic, and steady flow of full fare F rev (Hollywood) its hard for me to believe LAX is a low yield.

More likely for me that with the 747-8 coming to LAX they don't have enough demand to fill 20 weekly flights to DE/CH in JAN/FEB....

Based on the insane D/C/J prices from LAX to FRA/MUC (POS US), good Eco traffic, and steady flow of full fare F rev (Hollywood) its hard for me to believe LAX is a low yield.

More likely for me that with the 747-8 coming to LAX they don't have enough demand to fill 20 weekly flights to DE/CH in JAN/FEB....

There is a ton of traffic westcoast to Bavaria. I think your point on the "insane" D/C/J prices is probably a far larger part of the problem. The Revenue Management changes which have been made at LH are bizarre.

i noticed that it was published that TLV-MUC will now be in a a320

but today. an israeli website published all flight's from Germany to Israel will be either on A321 or A320

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4254828,00.html

Cut wings: Lufthansa flights to Tel Aviv sub-
"Changes require huge investments in Lufthansa's fleet of aircraft," announced today that the German airline would cut up to 15 percent occupancy in the seats on the Tel Aviv, October already

German airline Lufthansa announced today (Thursday) that significantly cut its flights to Tel Aviv for next October, because of "its efforts to increase the profitability of the global fleet activity."

Cuts will be reflected in a decline of 15 percent of the passenger seat capacity on flights to Israel company aircraft and from aircraft by Airbus 321A transition, they narrow planes - a body.
It should be noted that Airbus aircraft flying to Israel starting in October, are not equipped with entertainment systems in general, as they were wide-body aircraft now flying to and from Tel Aviv.


Surprising move materialized due to future backlog of Lufthansa, which stands at 168 aircraft worth according to the manufacturers price list is about 17 billion euros. In preparation for this multi-year investment, and as part of the company's efforts to increase the profitability of the global fleet activity, it was decided that planes serving long-term lines only on flights operated long-term goals and relatively short lines, such as Frankfurt and Munich to Tel Aviv.
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Therefore, from the upcoming winter season (10/28/12), Lufthansa flights from Frankfurt and Munich to Israel (and back) will be operated on - by Airbus 321A planes. Airbus A320 aircraft have been serving the new line from Berlin airport.
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However, the company claims that because of changed the type of aircraft, will be earlier night flight from Frankfurt to Tel Aviv daily number of hours to 7:30 pm, which would let its customers to land in around midnight, instead of 3:30 am.


Loftnzh spokesman said in a conversation with Ynet: "Lufthansa and other airlines joining in activities with their narrow-body aircraft. A cut of 15 percent capacity aircraft seats, and the reason is that the company is investing huge sums in new planes and must prepare itself financially for it."
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More company said: "The Israeli market has always been and always will be of prime importance for Lufthansa. Intends Lufthansa continue to supplement the array of flights to Israel and her and she'll go to the authorities in Germany to - in order to reopen the air transport agreements between Israel and Germany, so you can add flights on existing lines and open new destinations. company hopes in the near future, it can offer its customers four to five daily flights between Germany and Israel lines "



when i looked at the winter timetable published here. it said TLV-FRA on A330-300...also Expedia shows A330.

so...is LH cutting to A321 TLV-FRA or not?!

Something doesn't make any sense here. It makes sense that LH has decided to operate premimum connecting traffic only via FRA and use MUC and BER (TXL) as mainly O & D traffic flights however not even offering premiim products from FRA would make LH loose a lot of premium custumers. Also the reason the night flight from FRA leaves after 22:00 is to be able to fill the plane with connecting traffic from all over europe, such as business people that work full day in cities such as Paris, London or Amsterdam before flying via FRA to TLV. Not to forget long haul connecting traffice from Asia.

something weird is going on...

looked at lufthansa.com for flights 13/2/13

22:15Frankfurt 03:10+1Tel Aviv Yafo

still shows 22:15....

TLV is HON heavy, so cutting to narrow body, they would anger their loyal base. But maybe the HONs in TLV are low yield ones, so LH decided to save money on that route :D

On a side note: Interesting to see that there are no reduction on the BKK flights, which some here claim to be LH`s worst performing route...

BKK is complicated, but to some extent supported, by the onward tags to Saigon and Kuala Lumpur.

But maybe the HONs in TLV are low yield ones, so LH decided to save money on that route :DBut why is that funny?

As I posted elsewhere, I think this would a bad move on LH's behalf and I personally know of plenty of Senators who will be very upset about this and would probably take their business elsewhere.

it's been a L/H route for a very long time now so to change it to S/H will not go down well with the regulars.

TLV is HON heavy, so cutting to narrow body, they would anger their loyal base.

LH is not anymore plan its route network to satisfy the above category of customers ;)

But why is that funny?

As I posted elsewhere, I think this would a bad move on LH's behalf and I personally know of plenty of Senators who will be very upset about this and would probably take their business elsewhere.

it's been a L/H route for a very long time now so to change it to S/H will not go down well with the regulars.

I'm not an LH regular, but a *A regular. I was planning a trip from TLV-SFO in December, but will likely choose another airline if LH goes to narrowbodies. There's then no advantage to flying LH over DL or US to SFO - in fact more advantage for me flying the US carriers as I'll get upgraded to F on both on the narrowbody flights with real F seats, not just a coach seat with the middle blocked off!

TLV is HON heavy, so cutting to narrow body, they would anger their loyal base. But maybe the HONs in TLV are low yield ones, so LH decided to save money on that route :D

If I am not mistaken Israel has aprox 200 HON's and I assume 2000+ SEN's; it's really considered a LH + LX premium market. At the time when LX downgraded their night flight to TLV for many years to short haul equipment they lost a lot of premium traffic of which probably some was feeded to LH.

If i had to make an educated guess...i would guess that maybe LH is a "little low" on L/H a/c due to refitting of C and F this winter (i saw in another thread some planes are going to refitting)

so they needed to make some changes....and i guess TLV is probably the only (a guess...i could be wrong...) destination that has L/H a/c but also can be served by S/H...

so basically they can change the a/c at Germany - Israel routes to S/H and put the L/H a/c that used to be TLV on routes that HAVE to be serviced by L/H...so they can take out other L/H a/c to be refitted

Baku also has L/H ac operating, which could be taken over by S/H.

According to http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/17/lh-sincgk-w12/


As per 17JUL12 GDS inventory display, Lufthansa from 28OCT12 is cancelling Munich – Singapore – Jakarta service. Reservation for the 5 weekly service is closed, and there are no words whether overall service to Jakarta will be kept.

Schedule:

LH790 MUC2130 – 1640+1SIN1750+1 – 1845+1CGK 343 x13
LH791 CGK1950 – 2235SIN2349 – 0555+1MUC 343 x24

Why is Lufthansa so late with announcing what they really want to implement??
They must know by now what there intention is.
I have a flight with LH on november 1 to CGK.

On Airlinersnet I read this comment "There is talk in Jakarta that LH will delink KUL from BKK and start a nonstop FRA KUL service, which would then be extended to CGK. LH has been suffering the effects from EK/QR/EY as well as TK in CGK and it is losing out in KUL not only to the Middle Eastern carriers, but also to KL, which goes nonstop daily into KUL and will reinforce frequencies there to 10 weekly from the winter."

Currently they offer FRA-SIN-CGK with their A380 to SIN and SIA for SIN-CGK after Oct 28!

Interesting. At the end of Sept I plan to fly to SIN on LH via either FRA or MUC. I've been monitoring the loads and while LH flies A380 from FRA and "only" an A330/340 from MUC, they've all nearly always been full. Thus I'd be surprised if this cut was due to lack of demand, unless they predict a large drop off come November.

Interesting. At the end of Sept I plan to fly to SIN on LH via either FRA or MUC. I've been monitoring the loads and while LH flies A380 from FRA and "only" an A330/340 from MUC, they've all nearly always been full. Thus I'd be surprised if this cut was due to lack of demand, unless they predict a large drop off come November.

But it does not mean that the flights make money....

According to http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/17/lh-sincgk-w12/

This is the worst piece of news I have ever heard this morning :mad:

CGK is usually the tag on they fly while the aircraft waits to do the evening return to Europe. That they will park both the A380 and a A340 in SIN for the entire day sounds very very strange...

Dear Oliver,
The MUC flight to SIN (LH790) doesnot exist anymore after OCT 28.
So only the FRA-SIN A380 will be parked at SIN if LH terminates flighing to CGK.
However, I cannot understand that LH reject a market of 200 million people with growing wealth,
As I booked a flight via MUC to CGK on NOV 1, 2012 I am dammed curious what LH has in mind with the SIN-CGK leg connection.
Will they hand over their SIN-CGK business to their *A partner SIA??

This does not surprise me much. I have taken this flight a few times and the loading was very light in business and coach.

SWISS has been rumoring to re-open SIN with a direct flight for some time now. Do you think it could be a sign ? Axing MUC-SIN to open ZRH-SIN (which would make a lot of sense IMO)

Note to self: book another ex-CGK A class ticket quickly...

SWISS has been rumoring to re-open SIN with a direct flight for some time now. Do you think it could be a sign ? Axing MUC-SIN to open ZRH-SIN (which would make a lot of sense IMO)

This was my first thought as well. Transfer MUC pax to FRA's A388 and hopefully ZRH ;)

This was my first thought as well. Transfer MUC pax to FRA's A388 and hopefully ZRH ;)

I really hope so! The ZRH-SIN route is lacking in business class seats. The SQ 380 flight is always packed in C-class and it is often impossible to find a seat on short notice. Am sure Swiss would fill his business class cabin easily, given that they have lie-flat seats on the whole fleet now. I know many people (including me) who would switch from SQ to LX.

CGK is usually the tag on they fly while the aircraft waits to do the evening return to Europe. That they will park both the A380 and a A340 in SIN for the entire day sounds very very strange...

Yet another sign of a company with "excellent policies". Ha ha ha....

Dear Oliver,
The MUC flight to SIN (LH790) doesnot exist anymore after OCT 28.
So only the FRA-SIN A380 will be parked at SIN if LH terminates flighing to CGK.
However, I cannot understand that LH reject a market of 200 million people with growing wealth,
As I booked a flight via MUC to CGK on NOV 1, 2012 I am dammed curious what LH has in mind with the SIN-CGK leg connection.
Will they hand over their SIN-CGK business to their *A partner SIA??

Oh, missed the MUC-SIN rotation cancellation. Good for SQ, they will be able to capture the high yield MUC-SIN O&D. The low yield crowd is flying the EK, EY or QR flights out of MUC already.

With umpteen seats available on CGK-SIN, I'm sure they will easily rebook the cancelled flights pax easily. SQ already codeshares selected flights with NH and OZ, so surely LH will get a codeshare in the future:

TN05NOVCGKSIN/A*A
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** SIN SINGAPORE.SG 05NOV12 12NOV12
** MU ORCHARD HOTEL SIN*AMAZING DEAL 25PCT DISC AND WIFI
** HAMUSINOHS33DEC-1
1 SQ 951 D CGK 2 SIN 0550 0825 0 29OCT12 27OCT13 772 1:35
2 SQ 953 D CGK 2 SIN 0825 1100 0 28OCT12 30MAR13 772 1:35
3 SQ 955 D CGK 2 SIN 0920 1155 0 28OCT12 26OCT13 773 1:35
4 SQ 957 D CGK 2 SIN 1130 1405 0 20JUL12 26OCT13 773 1:35
5 SQ 959 D CGK 2 SIN 1415 1650 0 28OCT12 30MAR13 772 1:35
6 SQ 961 D CGK 2 SIN 1700 1935 0 28OCT12 26OCT13 773 1:35
7SQ:OZ6795 D CGK 2 SIN 2 1700 1935 0 30JUL12 773 1:35
8 SQ 963 D CGK 2 SIN 1905 2140 0 28OCT12 26OCT13 772 1:35
9SQ:NH6273 D CGK 2 SIN 1905 2140 0 28OCT12 26OCT13 772 1:35
10 LH 791 X24 CGK 2 SIN 2 1950 2235 0 31OCT12 01DEC12 343 1:45
>

I really hope so! The ZRH-SIN route is lacking in business class seats. The SQ 380 flight is always packed in C-class and it is often impossible to find a seat on short notice. Am sure Swiss would fill his business class cabin easily, given that they have lie-flat seats on the whole fleet now. I know many people (including me) who would switch from SQ to LX.

There are several issues on that route. One is that it's very C-Class heavy. SQ has a special high C config on that route and it still doesn't satisfy the demand - while there is sufficient supply in F and Y. The other is payload restrictions on 330/340. I'm not sure if LX has an ideal plane for these issues.

as far as I understand is this cancellation due to needing to use the A/C & crew on the CPT route, that will be switched from FRA to MUC.

as far as I understand is this cancellation due to needing to use the A/C & crew on the CPT route, that will be switched from FRA to MUC.

Are you sure? Both can easily be switched from FRA to MUC as well...

Are you sure? Both can easily be switched from FRA to MUC as well...

As I was writing it, I thought the same, but that's what I've heard.

This is a pity. Need to fly to CGK later this year and thought about taking this route...

I am still booked on some flights which are now zeroed out in all classes.
Looks like they will rebook me onto SQ F for the short hops between CGK and SIN.
The fares ex-CGK are still available though.

This is a pity. Need to fly to CGK later this year and thought about taking this route...

Unless you need the HON circle miles I would fly SQ.

Note to self: book another ex-CGK A class ticket quickly...

Any good deals out there?

Seems like the B747 FRA-BKK is replaced with A340 a/c from this route?

Seems like the B747 FRA-BKK is replaced with A340 a/c from this route?

A340-600 replaces 747 on FRA BKK SGN and FRA BKK KUL from 28OCT12

According to http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/19/lh-w12update4/

2nd Update at 0505GMT 20JUL12

As per 19JUL12 GDS timetable and inventory display, latest changes to Lufthansa’s Winter 2012/13 long-haul operation as follows. Note in Jan/Feb 2013, Lufthansa will reduce long-haul operation on several routes. Certain routes has seen seasonal cuts in the past (in Jan/Feb), while some are seeing reductions for the first time in W12 during slow season.

Frankfurt – Bangkok – Ho Chi Minh Airbus A340-600 replaces Boeing 747-400, 3 weekly
Frankfurt – Bangkok – Kuala Lumpur Airbus A340-600 replaces Boeing 747-400, 4 weekly
Frankfurt – Delhi Boeing 747-8I continues operation on daily basis
Frankfurt – New York JFK
LH400/401 Airbus A330-300 replacing planned Boeing 747-400 (A340-600 in W11)
LH404/405 Airbus A340-600 replacing 747-400 in W11 (Unchanged)
08JAN13 – 13FEB13 LH404/405 operates 5 weekly instead of daily

Frankfurt – Orlando Boeing 747-400 in W11 replaced by
28OCT12 – 17DEC12 Airbus A340-600 (Unchanged)
18DEC12 – 30MAR13 Airbus A340-300 (New capacity reduction)

Frankfurt – Riyadh Airbus A330-300 replaces A340-600, daily operations
Frankfurt – San Francisco Airbus A380 operation extends to 06JAN13, replacing 747-400
Frankfurt – Tel Aviv 2 Daily service operates with Airbus A321, replacing previously planned A330-300 (Overall replacing Airbus A340-300/-600 mix in S12)
Frankfurt – Washington Dulles Boeing 747-8I continues operation, offering 5 weekly service
LH418 FRA1235 – 1525IAD 744 23
LH418 FRA1235 – 1525IAD 74H x23

LH419 IAD1740 – 0740+1FRA 744 23
LH419 IAD1740 – 0740+1FRA 74H x23

Munich – Washington Dulles Service reduces from daily to 5 weekly. Temporary suspension in effect from 23DEC12 to 28FEB13 (Previously planned till 28MAR13)

Now FRA-HKG has been moved to the risky 10pm slot :eek:

http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/21/lh-frahkg-w12/

Now FRA-HKG has been moved to the risky 10pm slot :eek:

http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/21/lh-frahkg-w12/

And has replaced a very good day flight with an overnight flight. Hmm and I just got CX gold for a year...

And has replaced a very good day flight with an overnight flight. Hmm and I just got CX gold for a year...

The bad news are that it is very close to the curefew, so likely will not go out a couple of nights of the year. Further, times are pretty similiar to the LX (ZRH) and LH (MUC) flight, so no real alternative.

The good news are that the old departure time from FRA in the late afternoon was tough since it is almost impossible to sleep. The return flight from HKG only suited those that got into HKG by train from mainland china same morning or had dinner arrangements the night before but other then that, it was a great waste of time...

The bad news are that it is very close to the curefew, so likely will not go out a couple of nights of the year.

I asssume exceptions apply to the curfew due to technical or weather reasons as long as it's not every night 10 + flights

So are these changes (downgrading- daily to 5x weekly) because of fleet upgrades to new F/C/Y?

So are these changes (downgrading- daily to 5x weekly) because of fleet upgrades to new F/C/Y?

Seasonal adjustment between Dec and Feb.

I asssume exceptions apply to the curfew due to technical or weather reasons as long as it's not every night 10 + flights

They are currently discussing which exceptions could be made in the future but I believe that right now no exceptions are made at all. Meaning, that if they taxi too slow or have to queue up, they might be sent back to overnight in Frankfurt.

They are currently discussing which exceptions could be made in the future but I believe that right now no exceptions are made at all. Meaning, that if they taxi too slow or have to queue up, they might be sent back to overnight in Frankfurt.

I always thought the swiss authorities are the worst with the night ban at ZRH however most departure delays and arrival delays are granted exceptional take off / landing rights especially if weather is the main reason, looks like FRA is really overdoing it. The population and polititians who vote for such scenarios including the vote against a 3rd runway at MUC don't understand that in the longer run they hurt their own economy and put at risk the creation of new jobs and keeping current jobs.

I always thought the swiss authorities are the worst with the night ban at ZRH however most departure delays and arrival delays are granted exceptional take off / landing rights especially if weather is the main reason, looks like FRA is really overdoing it. The population and polititians who vote for such scenarios including the vote against a 3rd runway at MUC don't understand that in the longer run they hurt their own economy and put at risk the creation of new jobs and keeping current jobs.

Spot on. Flight Global actually focused on the topic of hub capacity constraints in the EU earlier this week. Article here (http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/in-focus-heathrow-proves-a-poisoned-chalice-for-uk-government-373697/)

According to http://airlineroute.net/2012/07/30/lh-sincgk-w12cxldupdate/

Lufthansa has moved forward planned service cancellation on Munich – Singapore – Jakarta route, where the Star Alliance member is ending the 5 weekly service from 15OCT12, instead of 28OCT12. Airbus A340-300 currently operates this route. This also marks the end of Lufthansa’s service in Indonesia, where it operated since late-1960s.

Schedule until 13OCT12:

LH790 MUC2140 – 1600+1SIN1710+1 – 1805+1CGK 343 x13
LH791 CGK1905 – 2200SIN2315 – 0600+1MUC 343 x24

Per the latest schedules,
Frankfurt – Washington Dulles Boeing 747-8I continues operation, offering 5 weekly service
LH418 FRA1235 – 1525IAD 744 23
LH418 FRA1235 – 1525IAD 74H x23

LH419 IAD1740 – 0740+1FRA 744 23
LH419 IAD1740 – 0740+1FRA 74H x23

Why is a 744 scheduled for Tue-Wed? Just my crappy luck, I am flying on Wednesday from IAD->FRA and back.

The 748i technical dispatch reliability is supposed to be 98.5% but probably will be around 96% in the beginning and require a few checks on the new aircraft. Hence you will see not all routes operate with the 748 all the time.

Airlineroute (http://airlineroute.net/2012/08/23/lh-europe-w12/) just posted the W12 LH changes. Amazing amount of reductions. Time to check those bookings...
Change W11 vs W12 from FRA:


Frankfurt – Amsterdam Service reduces from 7 to 6 daily
Frankfurt – Bergen Service reduces from 3 to 2 daily
Frankfurt – Brussels Service reduces from 10 to 8 daily
Frankfurt – Bucharest Service reduces from 3 to 2 daily
Frankfurt – Copenhagen Service reduces from 5 to 4 daily
Frankfurt – Florence Service reduces from 6 to 5 daily
Frankfurt – Geneva Service reduces from 9 to 8 daily
Frankfurt – Helsinki Service reduces from 4 to 3 daily
Frankfurt – Madrid Service reduces from 5 to 4 daily
Frankfurt – Milan Malpensa Service reduces from 5 to 4 daily
Frankfurt – Moscow Domodedovo Service reduces from 4 to 3 daily
Frankfurt – Nice Service reduces from 4 to 3 daily
Frankfurt – Palma Mallorca Service cancelled in Winter season
Frankfurt – Paris CDG Service reduces from 10 to 8 daily
Frankfurt – Porto Service reduces from 3 to 2 daily
Frankfurt – Poznan Service reduces from 1 daily to 6 weekly
Frankfurt – Rome Service reduces from 6 to 5 daily
Frankfurt – Sofia A319 operates 1 daily (W11 was 2 daily E190


OPO down to 2 daily:mad:

GBM

As from the winter schedule, LH has decided there will no longer be any scheduled flights after 2215 due to the German federal courts upholding the strict night curfew.

So it seems the HKG flight will be the last scheduled flight of the day with its new time slot. Anyone knows what other flights depart at that time too?

Airlineroute (http://airlineroute.net/2012/08/23/lh-europe-w12/) just posted the W12 LH changes. Amazing amount of reductions. Time to check those bookings...
Change W11 vs W12 from FRA:



OPO down to 2 daily:mad:

GBM

What is Lufthansa going to do with all the redundant capacity they are building up with all these flight reductions this winter??
Are they phasing out certain plane types ?? or older gass guzzling planes??
Do they park these planes for better times??

More changes according to http://airlineroute.net/2012/08/24/lh-gig-w12update2/

Lufthansa from 28OCT12 is changing operational schedule on Frankfurt – Rio de Janeiro. The daily flight will now depart Frankfurt at night time. Departure from Rio de Janeiro remains unchanged at night-time.

Schedule:

LH500 FRA2200 – 0720+1GIG 343 5
LH500 FRA2210 – 0730+1GIG 343 246
LH500 FRA2215 – 0735+1GIG 343 137

LH501 GIG2130 – 1230+1FRA 343 D

Also from 28OCT12, Lufthansa increases service from 6 weekly to daily. However, from 03JAN13 to 16FEB13, service operates 5 weekly (Day x13 from FRA, Day x24 from GIG)

The winter schedule ex-Berlin seems to be taking quite a beating.

What is Lufthansa going to do with all the redundant capacity they are building up with all these flight reductions this winter??
Are they phasing out certain plane types ?? or older gass guzzling planes??
Do they park these planes for better times??

Many are going for a refit to new business, the 744 fleet will be dramatically cut to 21 this winter, ie 4-6 aircraft will leave (to be scrapped) in the next few months.

According to http://airlineroute.net/2012/08/28/lh-txlist-w12cxld/


Lufthansa effective 28OCT12 is cancelling Berlin – Istanbul service for winter season, previously the airline planned to operate 4 weekly flights on this route. Service is currently scheduled to be resumed from 01APR13.

Current schedule:

LH3480 TXL2240 – 0230+1IST 320 x257
LH3481 IST0415 – 0605TXL 320 x136

A fall out of the failure to move to the new airport perhaps?

According to http://airlineroute.net/2012/08/29/lh-framco-w12/

Lufthansa has further revised planned operation on Frankfurt – Orlando service, as the airline scales back planned capacity reduction from 09JAN13 to 30MAR13.

Latest revision:

Boeing 747-400 in Winter 2011/12 season replaced by:
28OCT12 – 17DEC12 Airbus A340-600 (Unchanged)
18DEC12 – 08JAN13 Airbus A340-300
09JAN13 – 30MAR13 Airbus A340-600 (Previously to be operated by A340-300)

LH464 FRA1310 – 1740MCO 346 6
LH464 FRA1320 – 1750MCO 346 x6

LH465 MCO2000 – 1050+1FRA 346 D

HAM-BHX down to 6/7 for the winter (from 12/7 planned). [BE will pull the route at the end of coming week, following LH's double daily entry in May].

It is not LH but SAS.
I post it because it shows a further deterioration of European Airlines in the South East Asia market.

As reported by Airline Route:

SAS starting 07APR13 is cancelling its 63-year old Copenhagen – Bangkok operation, as the airline closes reservation for this route. The closure of this route will allow SAS to deploy the A340 aircraft on to its new Copenhagen – San Francisco service from 08APR13.

SAS started service to Bangkok in 1949, its first destination in Far-East Asia. Winter 2012/13 schedule:

It is not LH but SAS.
I post it because it shows a further deterioration of European Airlines in the South East Asia market.

As reported by Airline Route:

SAS starting 07APR13 is cancelling its 63-year old Copenhagen – Bangkok operation, as the airline closes reservation for this route. The closure of this route will allow SAS to deploy the A340 aircraft on to its new Copenhagen – San Francisco service from 08APR13.

SAS started service to Bangkok in 1949, its first destination in Far-East Asia. Winter 2012/13 schedule:

What a shame.

What a shame.

I agree.
Although the positive is that being part of *A, TG will still fly the route (with a 747) and SK can deploy the aircraft(s) to a more profitable destination (The A340 spends 9 hours on the ground in BKK). New reality I guess.

GBM

It is not LH but SAS.
I post it because it shows a further deterioration of European Airlines in the South East Asia market.



EK+EY+QR are controlling that market with their cheapo fares, large capacity metals and frequency.

EK+EY+QR are controlling that market with their cheapo fares, large capacity metals and frequency.

So, first they control Australia, then China (excluding Hong Kong), and next Thailand. I don't think their capacities are any larger than Lufthansa or Air France for that matter who are both flying the same (A380) aircraft.

Perhaps they are offering services like free chauffer drive pickup from peoples home or business, nicer lounges, nicer hubs (except Dubai which is a zoo), and better onboard products including true lie flat in business now and not in 2016???

SAS starting 07APR13 is cancelling its 63-year old Copenhagen – Bangkok operation, as the airline closes reservation for this route. The closure of this route will allow SAS to deploy the A340 aircraft on to its new Copenhagen – San Francisco service from 08APR13.


It is now reported to be a seasonal change and that SK will start flying to BKK in October 2013 again. I guess this a the result of only having 11 long haul planes, and pressure from TG, QR and EK to BKK.

Back to threads topic: Is MCO a three class destination for LH?

It is now reported to be a seasonal change and that SK will start flying to BKK in October 2013 again. I guess this a the result of only having 11 long haul planes, and pressure from TG, QR and EK to BKK.

Back to threads topic: Is MCO a three class destination for LH?

MCO is going 2 class from Dec.

Even legendary carriers like QR does have setbacks:

http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/qatar-airways-to-retreat-from-stuttgart

MCO is going 2 class from Dec.

And again back to A346 three class.

And they keep messing up seats for my family every time they change equipment, quite annoying. At least this time I received the email before I caught the change on AirlineRoutes....

And again back to A346 three class.

And they keep messing up seats for my family every time they change equipment, quite annoying. At least this time I received the email before I caught the change on AirlineRoutes....

Why not just get your TA to monitor the seats for you?

Even legendary carriers like QR does have setbacks:

http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/qatar-airways-to-retreat-from-stuttgart

The stop in ZRH on the route from STR to DOH didn't make this flight very attractive IMHO.

Why not just get your TA to monitor the seats for you?

I cannot get my corporate TA to look after private bookings, unfortunately...

Nor can i expect them to know which seats I prefer. They dont read FT!

According to http://airlineroute.net/2012/10/11/lh-rov-w12cxld/


Lufthansa from 28OCT12 is cancelling operation on Frankfurt – Rostov route, where it currently offers 3 weekly flights with Embraer E190 aircraft.

The Star Alliance member launched this service on 01MAY04. Existing Schedule:

LH1474 FRA1120 – 1645ROV E90 247
LH1475 ROV1755 – 1950FRA E90 247

The stop in ZRH on the route from STR to DOH didn't make this flight very attractive IMHO.

And they don't fly everyday... I flew LH via FRA instead... which is faster and is every day...

I was just looking through next week with Lufthansa seeing how many days the Muc-Clt was running this winter and i found that for at least next week it is operating daily with the 333. Is this all winter? Are more destinations from Muc seeing daily this winter. I believe this is the first year this flight is finally going daily year round!

I was just looking through next week with Lufthansa seeing how many days the Muc-Clt was running this winter and i found that for at least next week it is operating daily with the 333. Is this all winter? Are more destinations from Muc seeing daily this winter. I believe this is the first year this flight is finally going daily year round!

I believe this is the "BMW" flight from the few times I have been on it- given their growing business in the United States this may not be a bad idea....

Not only BMW, but scores of ancilliary companies that settled in and around the GSP area. Plus CLT is a nice *A hub with great coverage of the beach destinations by US.

Not only BMW, but scores of ancilliary companies that settled in and around the GSP area. Plus CLT is a nice *A hub with great coverage of the beach destinations by US.

I have used CLT a few times also to connect to FLL- the time works out to be just about the same as arriving in MIA and taking a car if your actual destination is Fort Lauderdale.

Not only BMW, but scores of ancilliary companies that settled in and around the GSP area. Plus CLT is a nice *A hub with great coverage of the beach destinations by US.

LH has a big contract (Z fares) with BSH Bosch und Siemens Hausgeräte (HQ in MUC) and they usually send their staff through CLT as well on their way to the factory in New Bern, NC (another hop on US)

LH has a big contract (Z fares) with BSH Bosch und Siemens Hausgeräte (HQ in MUC) and they usually send their staff through CLT as well on their way to the factory in New Bern, NC (another hop on US)

Most likely also OSRAM/Sylvania has a fair number of customers on this route very regularly. MUC is a very strong city/base for industrial production as is the Charlotte area now. I have always called that flight the "BMW" flight as it seems at least the C cabin is typically very full with BMW execs/engineers etc.

Hi... perhaps I should know this, but can it really be that there's no LH 405 from NYC to FRA on 4 Feb 2013? Most unfortunate, if so...

Hi... perhaps I should know this, but can it really be that there's no LH 405 from NYC to FRA on 4 Feb 2013? Most unfortunate, if so...

That is correct:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.1.1/Diamond - Amadeus: Timetable/NL-BCDF] (http://www.KVSTool.com/)
NYC New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA
FRA Frankfurt Metro / Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
MON 04 Feb 2013 - 11 Feb 2013

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------
LH 401 JFK 15:45 FRA 05:40 +1 333 0 12-4567 07:55 1 1 04 Feb 17 Feb
LH 401 JFK 15:55 FRA 05:50 +1 333 0 --3---- 07:55 1 1 06 Feb 06 Feb
LH/UA 7636 EWR 16:45 FRA 06:55 +1 764 0 1234567 08:10 C 1 01 Feb 28 Feb
LH 403 EWR 18:10 FRA 07:40 +1 744 0 1234567 07:30 B 1 04 Feb 10 Feb Mon 11 Feb
LH/UA 7602 EWR 19:05 FRA 09:15 +1 764 0 1234567 08:10 C 1 04 Feb 13 Feb
LH 405 JFK 22:20 FRA 12:10 +1 346 0 -2-4567 07:50 1 1 05 Feb 17 Feb

Hrmph.

Hrmph.

It does seem a bit unusual. 405 is my customary flight ex-JFK and I can not remember a date in recent times when it was not available.

On the other hand, judging by the equipment downsizing, there seems to be no capacity problem between NYC and FRA these days...perhaps they either needed the equipment elsewhere or looked at the loads and decided they could make do with only two NYC flights that day... :confused:

I have sort of come to rely on the availability of that late flight from JFK... it's a bit frustrating not to have it there on the one day in 5 months that I want to travel...

I have sort of come to rely on the availability of that late flight from JFK... it's a bit frustrating not to have it there on the one day in 5 months that I want to travel...

If you want to stay on *A and ex-JFK, your next best bet is probably SQ25...which I find a decent alternative, and often reasonably priced... ;)

I think SQ25 departs between 20:00 and 21:00 typically.

I have sort of come to rely on the availability of that late flight from JFK... it's a bit frustrating not to have it there on the one day in 5 months that I want to travel...

Follow-up: Just checked the SQ site, and SQ25 departs 20:10 on 04Feb. I note that SQ has also downsized the equipment--to a 777 from an A380.

Must be a slow winter in NYC.

Thanks... I need to leave later than 21:30... I may take LX 19 to ZRH at 22:00, since I am departing back the US from ZRH. Will just miss my usual visit to the Welcome Lounge. :(

Thanks... I need to leave later than 21:30... I may take LX 19 to ZRH at 22:00, since I am departing back the US from ZRH. Will just miss my usual visit to the Welcome Lounge. :(
You won't have time for the ZRH Arrival Lounge?

LH has pulled 34 of 110 longhaul aircraft from service this winter...

LH has pulled 34 of 110 longhaul aircraft from service this winter...

It must be a REALLY slow winter...does this mean they will have time to accelerate the F and C hard product conversions... ;)

LH has pulled 34 of 110 longhaul aircraft from service this winter...

BTW, let us not forget that there can be wisdom in a low-leverage balance sheet: you don't get great return on assets in good times, but you also don't get totally killed (especially in a cash-flow sense) when those assets start to sit idle... @:-)

You won't have time for the ZRH Arrival Lounge?

Oh! I didn't know about this. How does it compare to the FRA Welcome Lounge? I would definitely try to build in enough transfer time to do that.

It must be a REALLY slow winter...does this mean they will have time to accelerate the F and C hard product conversions... ;)

Usually about 20 go into the hangar for checks in winter, this time its nearly double. The F/C conversion will move slowly as the various STCs for fitting the new seats onto these 'new' types (and removing galleys & lavs) will be obtained and a few lessons learned. Next winter the accelerated refit will begin in full swing.

Hello,
I'm looking on the direct flight from BOS to FRA in the days after Christmas and the direct flight isn't showing up. Searched for the 27th through the 30th, for example. Is it not operating any of those days or am I doing something wrong? Doesn't show up on LH's website or UA's.
Thanks

Am I correct in assuming that LH will not alter this schedule at this point?

Am I correct in assuming that LH will not alter this schedule at this point?

One never really knows, but I would not bet on a change, and at t<30 days, my experience is that you start playing roulette with fare prices...I would book what is out there...but that is me.

The F/C conversion will move slowly as the various STCs for fitting the new seats onto these 'new' types (and removing galleys & lavs) will be obtained and a few lessons learned.

Thank you for reminding the impatient among us (me) that these retrofits are more complicated that just removing old seats and installing new ones.

Do you know how many different authorities (EASA, FAA, JCAB, etc.) need to sign off on the STCs, or is there a lot of reciprocity (i.e., do they all pretty much recognize each others type certifications)?

Hello,
I'm looking on the direct flight from BOS to FRA in the days after Christmas and the direct flight isn't showing up. Searched for the 27th through the 30th, for example. Is it not operating any of those days or am I doing something wrong? Doesn't show up on LH's website or UA's.
Thanks

It also appears that LH has downgraded BOS-MUC in July of 2013 from a 343-600 to a 343-300! I got seat change alerts and was disappointed the change wasn't for the new biz.

It also appears that LH has downgraded BOS-MUC in July of 2013 from a 343-600 to a 343-300! I got seat change alerts and was disappointed the change wasn't for the new biz.
It's still a lot of time until July 2013, so there may be more changes. MAybe you are lucky to get the new C until then.

Do you know how many different authorities (EASA, FAA, JCAB, etc.) need to sign off on the STCs, or is there a lot of reciprocity (i.e., do they all pretty much recognize each others type certifications)?

AFAIK they reciprocate. Since the Koito scandal (http://www.businesstraveller.asia/asia-pacific/news/seat-safety-scandal-delays-new-aircraft) everyone is extra sensitive though.

I was trying to book LH455 on February 11, 2012. Interestingly, the flight does not seem to operate that day.

Any ideas why LH would just skip a day on this popular route?

Carnival season in Germany ("Rosenmontag") -> nobody wants to fly

Carnival season in Germany ("Rosenmontag") -> nobody wants to fly

Plenty want to fly, just the other way :p

Can't book flights to the past...

Looks like that week the flight is not operating Mon + Wed.
The week before and after it is operating every day.

certain days of the year LH/LX are cutting flights to the US to adjust for low demand. I remember on Thanksgiving there was no LH/LX flight out of BOS at all; no FRA, MUC or ZRH flight ... had to fly AF :eek:

I was planning another trip to the US a few days ago and found that no LH flights were coming up *at all* on the GDS - figured they were zeroed out.

Tried booking on LH.com and found that I had to route over 3 sectors - forget that! :td:

Then booked my itinerary on United - no problem there - flying over was much easier too, and got some additional sectors for a MR.

However, when I got to the (LH-run) lounge at BOM, they told me that there were *no* FRA flights operating until 2 Jan 2013 and also the MUC flights were not operating until 29? Dec....!!! :eek:

The lounge rep said she couldn't remember this happening in the past, and I also stated that I only noted this happening during strikes.

I think Lufthansa must be bleeding really badly if they are routing pax over LX only into/out of BOM!

I was planning another trip to the US a few days ago and found that no LH flights were coming up *at all* on the GDS - figured they were zeroed out.

Tried booking on LH.com and found that I had to route over 3 sectors - forget that! :td:

Then booked my itinerary on United - no problem there - flying over was much easier too, and got some additional sectors for a MR.

However, when I got to the (LH-run) lounge at BOM, they told me that there were *no* FRA flights operating until 2 Jan 2013 and also the MUC flights were not operating until 29? Dec....!!! :eek:

The lounge rep said she couldn't remember this happening in the past, and I also stated that I only noted this happening during strikes.

I think Lufthansa must be bleeding really badly if they are routing pax over LX only into/out of BOM!

So premium cabin demand is down at this time -- even as economy class is quite often busy at this time -- and that is why they pulled this? Seems so.

This really does eat into a lot of vacation plans for LH passengers. Will LH be paying out the EU compensation in full for flight cancellations or will they engage in shenanigans to try to get around that too?

Schedule changes happen, even temporary suspensions on certain routes....

But I see flights from FRA and MUC operating to BOM (for example LH764) so it's not even true.

Schedule changes happen, even temporary suspensions on certain routes....

But I see flights from FRA and MUC operating to BOM (for example LH764) so it's not even true.Uh-huh...not true?:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.1.2/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1] (http://www.KVSTool.com/)
FRA Frankfurt Metro / Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
BOM Mumbai Chhatrapati Shivaji IN [VABB]
SAT 29 Dec 2012 | 1 Seat

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- -------------
TK 1588 FRA 11:40 IST 15:40 330 0 FS/ CS- YS-
-> TK 720 IST 19:35 BOM 05:15 +1 330 0 FS/ CS- YS-
LH 1300 FRA 12:50 IST 16:45 320 0 FS/ CS- YS-
-> TK 720 IST 19:35 BOM 05:15 +1 330 0 FS/ CS- YS-
LH 98 FRA 07:00 MUC 08:05 321 0 FS/ CS+ YS-
-> LH 764 MUC 11:25 BOM 23:59 333 0 FS- CS+ YS-
LH 100 FRA 08:00 MUC 09:05 321 0 FS/ CS- YS-
-> LH 764 MUC 11:25 BOM 23:59 333 0 FS- CS- YS-


As I stated before, I was told MUC flights resuming on 29 Dec...

LH764 MUC-BOM has just left a few minutes ago....?

So temporary changes to the normal schedule, but still some flights scheduled. Nothing really newsworthy, happens on a lot of legs.

. Nothing really newsworthy.

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/lufthansa-cancels-india-flights/200499/on


Lufthansa cancels India flights
The German airline withdraws the flights due to lower bookings
Aneesh Phadnis / Mumbai Dec 24, 2012, 18:43 IST

Lufthansa has cut down its flights to India in the Christmas week as business travel slows down during this period. The German airline has 46 weekly flights from Frankfurt and Munich to Mumbai, Delhi, Pune, Chennai and Bangalore.

LH764 MUC-BOM has just left a few minutes ago....?

So temporary changes to the normal schedule, but still some flights scheduled. Nothing really newsworthy, happens on a lot of legs.Nice - another vigorous LH defense.

LH765 MUC-BOM (your LH764/28 Dec) only operates on 29 Dec BOM time - so the LH lounge rep was correct.

Still, if one preferred to fly LH - why wouldn't we not have this option?

I doubt the gulf carriers are doing this...

(United didn't)

So much for the assertion that it is nothing really newsworthy when it makes the news.

http://www.rediff.com/business/slide-show/slide-show-1-lufthansa-cancels-india-flights-till-jan-1/20121225.htm

So will LH be paying out the EU compensation for flight cancellations to all hit by the cancellations, or is this yet another aspect where there will be shenanigans?

Nice - another vigorous LH defense.


Not really a defense... why should I.

But you're obvious trying to make a point that I don't get. Seasonal changes to flight schedules are nothing new and happen with all carriers. Sometimes by swapping equipment and sometime by changes in frequency or by cancelling them. Your post seemed to suggest that there were no flights to BOM and that simply isn't true. The flight to/from MUC has been operating the last few days as well.

Nobody really benefits from incorrect info, whatever you were or were not told....

Your post seemed to suggest that there were no flights to BOM and that simply isn't true.Of course it was correct.

LH764 was not operating on 26 December ex-MUC.

FRA is not operating until 2 December.

Nobody really benefits from incorrect info, whatever you were or were not told....I stand by my statements - sorry - backed by GUWonder's link!

Of course it was correct.

LH764 was not operating on 26 December ex-MUC.

FRA is not operating until 2 December.

I stand by my statements - sorry - backed by GUWonder's link!

2nd of January - Not December!;)

Of course it was correct.

Well for me cancelling some flights is a bit different than cancelling all flights.... but whatever makes you happy ;).

And since the schedule changes/cancellations seem to have been planned well ahead any speculation about compensation are also rather pointless.

Well for me cancelling some flights is a bit different than cancelling all flights.... but whatever makes you happy ;).When I was flying - *NO* LH flights ex-BOM, period.

2nd of January - Not December!;)Right - an error there - but my OP stipulated the correct date/s:

However, when I got to the (LH-run) lounge at BOM, they told me that there were *no* FRA flights operating until 2 Jan 2013 and also the MUC flights were not operating until 29? Dec....!!! :eek:

When I was flying - *NO* LH flights ex-BOM, period.

And given many others have been hit suddenly by this LH scheduling decision to cancel flights, the series of cancellations even became newsworthy.

Did LH offer all of the hit passengers with the full EU compensation amounts due for flight cancellations?

Help me understanding:
1. Was the flight never scheduled (LH does this with lost of flights over the holidays)
2. Or was the flight scheduled, then cancelled?

The first possibility is perfectly acceptable in my opinion. The second not.

Help me understanding:
1. Was the flight never scheduled (LH does this with lost of flights over the holidays)
2. Or was the flight scheduled, then cancelled?

The first possibility is perfectly acceptable in my opinion. The second not.
I'm also trying to understand the problem. Did United sell the OP a ticket for an LH flight which had been "cancelled" but LH quite rightly did not sell him one? When was the flight cancelled? It sounds like the OP did not book the flight until a few days ago so he may not be entitled to any compensation but he should complain to UA for selling him a ticket on a flight which did not exist/operate.

As others have said some airlines do suspend flights during the Christmas and New Year period (esp. between Christmas and New Year) when demand is low. LH usually cancels some flights between Germany and Japan and I have to be careful I won't be stranded in FRA or MUC for a few days should I miss my connection for my year-end trip to Japan (though ANA usually operate regular flights during this period so I may not be stranded for long).

Provided the cancellation/suspension was planned in advance I don't understand what the problem is other than inconvenience for some pax.

Help me understanding:
1. Was the flight never scheduled (LH does this with lost of flights over the holidays)
2. Or was the flight scheduled, then cancelled?

The first possibility is perfectly acceptable in my opinion. The second not.

LH had flights scheduled and then cancelled. LH sold many tickets for such flights which it cancelled only more recently.

They changed the schedule at least a month before the flight dates...and if loads were light they probably were able to find alternative flights for all.

But since both complainers here never actually were booked on those flights, it's all a bit pointless. We might never hear from someone who was actually inconvenienced.

It would have been a nice post to inform everybody about the fact that quite a number of flights to BOM are cancelled, now it's just another pointless rant.

Hollywood allows you to go Back to the Future, but LH does not. ;) 2013?

Help me understanding:
1. Was the flight never scheduled (LH does this with lost of flights over the holidays)
2. Or was the flight scheduled, then cancelled?

The first possibility is perfectly acceptable in my opinion. The second not.

Withou any factual knowledge I would think that Lufthansa scheduled the flight and then sometime in July got surprised by the fact that the Christmas/New Years period would be in effect this year again and then cancelled the flight. This is SOP with LH, and many people use this year after year to get a few additional sectors and higher booking-classes out of cheapo-tickets for year-end runs - I know someone who had booked HAJ-FRA-FDH in K and was rebooked to HAJ-MUC-FRA-FDH in V-Class due to cancellation of his HAJ-FRA flight.

My guess however after reading the OP's post is that United is the real culprit in this case since LH was no longer selling the flight when the OP booked it, so he went to UA and booked the codeshares there. If that's the case, UA simply forgot to cancel their codeshares on flights that no longer operate and as such is the party involved that made the mistake leading to this situation...

Greetings - Dirk

LH cut services between xmas and new year starting in July, not really surprising that BOM & DEL also saw some reductions.

LH cut services between xmas and new year starting in July, not really surprising that BOM & DEL also saw some reductions.

Did the cuts to BOM and DEL take place in July? When exactly did they cut it? The above kind of line about cuts "starting in July" or alternatively about cuts "starting in 2001" or whatever doesn't shed any light on why LH passengers scheduled on the flights to/from BOM and DEL were being sold tickets for the cancelled flights long after July.

Messing up people's Christmas and New Years vacation plans as has taken place is not a nice thing to do when other airlines are quite packed at this time of year on flights to/from and/or within India and they have already relied upon LH's representations. So are all the hit passengers going to be given the full EU compensation amounts due without LH making a fuss and stalling? I doubt it will happen, but I guess it will end up being clear to me after some time.

EU comp kicks in only if the cancellation is done after T-14 days. You don't seriously believe airlines should fly empty planes around just to please? I'm sure they were accommodated on OAL, otherwise we would have heard wailing and ranting by some in-dignified 1K in this forum already.

Messing up people's Christmas and New Years vacation plans as has taken place is not a nice thing to do when other airlines are quite packed at this time of year on flights to/from and/or within India and they have already relied upon LH's representations. So are all the hit passengers going to be given the full EU compensation amounts due without LH making a fuss and stalling? I doubt it will happen, but I guess it will end up being clear to me after some time.

What is your problem?

You are not impacted by this yourself, you don't even know when the schedule changes were announced and you have no idea how many people were rescheduled nor how inconvenient those changes have been. And for most that would probably only have been an extra flight FRA-MUC or not even that when flying through MUC already.

But what we do know is that the reschedules have taken place way before the T-14 dates so there is no argument for any compensation.

So please stop the complaining... it's a simple business decision from LH, just like most other airlines make them.

EU comp kicks in only if the cancellation is done after T-14 days. You don't seriously believe airlines should fly empty planes around just to please? I'm sure they were accommodated on OAL, otherwise we would have heard wailing and ranting by some in-dignified 1K in this forum already.

There are T-14 communication of cancellations involved here, so the EU rules about cancellations/delays and LH's games with that are of relevance.

There are T-14 communication of cancellations involved here, so the EU rules about cancellations/delays and LH's games with that are of relevance.
I can't see any evidence of this?

Some insight on the massive cuts that were done more intensively this year:


Weniger Flüge an Feiertagen
Passage passt Kapazitäten stärker an Nachfrage an /
Saisonalisierung ist Fokusthema von SCORE-Projekt SPRINT


Der Flughafen Frankfurt war
über Weihnachten, Silvester und
Neujahr voll besetzt – über das
gesamte Flughafengelände verteilt
sah man geparkte Lufthansa-
Flugzeuge. In München, dem
zweiten Lufthansa-Drehkreuz,
bot sich ein ähnliches Bild.
Mit einer erheblichen Angebotsreduzierung
hatte Lufthansa
auf den Nachfragerückgang
reagiert und im Interkontverkehr
bis zu 80 Prozent, im Kontverkehr
bis zu 60 Prozent ihrer
Flüge gestrichen.
Bereits in der Vergangenheit
wurde das Flugprogramm insbesondere
zwischen den Jahren
reduziert und an die saisonbedingt
deutlich geringere
Nachfrage angepasst. Während
im boomenden Sommer
die Flugzeuge voll sind und
Lufthansa das Geld verdient,
bleibt die Nachfrage im Winter
stark dahinter zurück. Aus wirtschaftlicher
Sicht eine große
Herausforderung.
Keine Wahl
„Der Umfang, in dem wir unser
Angebot angepasst haben, ist
deutlich größer, unsere Vorgehensweise
konsequenter als in
den Vorjahren“, erklärt Andreas
Schleife von der Netzplanung
Frankfurt, FRA EN/P. „Die
generell schlechte Wirtschaftlichkeit
im Winter in Verbindung
mit den nochmals gestiegenen
Treibstoffkosten lässt
uns keine andere Wahl“, so
Schleife weiter. Auf der Langstrecke
hat Lufthansa an einzelnen
Tagen wie Weihnachten
oder Silvester über 80 Prozent
aller Flüge gestrichen. Auch
,zwischen den Jahren‘ und in
der ebenfalls nachfrageschwachen
Zeit im Januar und Februar
wurde das Programm erheblich
reduziert.
Mit dem Ziel, auch bei reduziertem
Flugprogramm eine möglichst
hohe Bedienungsqualität
zu gewährleisten und wichtige
Verkehrsströme zu erhalten,
folgt die Netzplanung einer neuen
Streich-Logik: Aufeinander
abgestimmt streicht sie in Frankfurt
und München an einzelnen
Verkehrstagen versetzt Flüge.
Auch das Angebot der anderen
Group Airlines wird dabei berücksichtigt.
So gelingt es, auch
bei deutlich abgesenkter Kapazität
eine gute Bedienung der
Destinationen sicherzustellen.
„Indem wir in der Weihnachtswoche
auf die Doppelbedienung
zahlreicher Interkontstrecken
verzichtet haben, flog ein volles
statt zwei halbleerer Flugzeuge“,
bringt es Nicole Rohrmeier
von der Münchner Netzplanung,
MUC EN/P, auf den Punkt.
Nicht nur angesichts des Kerosinpreises
ein wichtiger Beitrag
zur Wirtschaftlichkeit des Interkontverkehrs.
Unter der Voraussetzung,
dass die Hub-Zubringung
gewahrt bleibt, kommt die
Systematik auch im Kontverkehr
zur Anwendung. In der Woche
zwischen Heiligabend und Neujahr
wurden aus Frankfurt heraus
15 Ziele komplett ausgesetzt.
Eine frühzeitige Kommunikation
derartiger Flugplan-
Anpassungen ist dabei unerlässlich.
Um den Passagieren eine
verlässliche Planungsgrundlage
zu bieten, hatte Lufthansa bereits
im Sommer 2012 informiert.
Nicole Rohrmeier und
Andreas Schleife sind Konzept
überzeugt. Eine frühzeitige,
Hub-übergreifende, strukturierte
Angebotsreduktion soll
für den Kunden ein regelmäßiges
Angebot via Frankfurt oder
München gewährleisten. Im
nächsten Schritt soll das Konzept
auch auf die Joint-Venture-
Partner ausgeweitet werden.
Dieser neue Ansatz der struk -
turellen, Hubübergreifenden
Saisonalisierung ist eines der
neun Fokusthemen von
SPRINT, einem der vier
SCORE-Leuchtturmprojekte
der Passage.

Oliver- how can the press release talk about the "significant decrease in demand"? Demand for global air travel is up. Just not for Lufthansa. Perhaps that needs to be looked at instead of simply reducing capacity.

Overall demand may be up, but not on the days and on the routes they cut.

Well, LH winter cuts bit me already. Have to travel to FRA next week Tue and no direct options plus ticket is more expensive then on other airlines. :td:

LH would have been natural choice for this trip, but inconvenience of layover and price is taking my business elsewhere

Oliver- how can the press release talk about the "significant decrease in demand"? Demand for global air travel is up. Just not for Lufthansa. Perhaps that needs to be looked at instead of simply reducing capacity.

+1

A bit more anecdotal evidence of problems, which I noted as I was passing through the E Terminal in ATL yesterday...this was on the door of the SEN lounge...it seems to have been a hasty decision to pull the flights...

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/members/n1003u-albums-aircraft-features-picture5049-sen-atl-10jan13.jpg

Oliver- how can the press release talk about the "significant decrease in demand"? Demand for global air travel is up. Just not for Lufthansa. Perhaps that needs to be looked at instead of simply reducing capacity.

The first step in recovery is admitting that you have a problem...:D