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jimyvr
Jun 26, 12, 7:09 pm
another new route.... BLI OGG, operating from 08NOV12 to 14APR13. 4 weekly 737-800 service. Reservation to open within few days.

AS807 BLI1100 – 1520OGG 73H x146
AS808 OGG1500 – 2255BLI 73H x357

http://airlineroute.net/2012/06/27/as-bliogg-w12/


N830MH
Jun 26, 12, 8:35 pm
http://airlineroute.net/2012/06/27/as-bliogg-w12/


AS807 BLI1100 – 1520OGG 73H x146
AS808 OGG1500 – 2255BLI 73H x357

AS announces to launch BLI-OGG. This route will goes on effective Nov. 8, 2012. This will operate for winter seasonal until Apr 13, 2013.

Looking like G4 will starting once-weekly service BLI-OGG & HNL, too. It will get more tougher competitive.

eponymous_coward
Jun 26, 12, 9:03 pm
Are they going to do another LAS rotation with that plane, like they do with the HNL planes? Or maybe LAX?


Chugach
Jun 26, 12, 9:36 pm
Surprised it took them so long.

BOB W
Jun 26, 12, 10:44 pm
another new route.... BLI OGG, operating from 08NOV12 to 14APR13. 4 weekly 737-800 service. Reservation to open within few days.

AS807 BLI1100 – 1520OGG 73H x146
AS808 OGG1500 – 2255BLI 73H x357

http://airlineroute.net/2012/06/27/as-bliogg-w12/

paging beckoa:o

keithguy
Jun 26, 12, 11:32 pm
Are they going to do another LAS rotation with that plane, like they do with the HNL planes? Or maybe LAX?
From the way the schedule looks (22:55 BLI arrival), it looks like plane/crew overnight at BLI before returning to OGG.

98103
Jun 27, 12, 7:28 am
G4 is showing two flights a week, but show no availability past mid-late January. Don't know if this is because it will be seasonal for them as well, or that their reservations aren't open yet beyond that, which would seem odd.

jimyvr
Jun 27, 12, 8:44 am
paging beckoa:o

Reservation is now open, including AS website. Promo fare starts at $178.20 one-way

HiFlyerAS
Jun 27, 12, 9:07 am
You're right...no flights loaded after Jan 13th. Does seem odd but in looking at other routes on G4's website you can't book any travel from mid-January out. Must just be the way they load their schedules...not surprising considering they pop in and out of markets on a regular basis.

Jeeves
Jun 27, 12, 3:31 pm
Here is the announcement on Alaskaair.com

http://www.alaskaair.com/content/deals/flights/new-route.aspx?wc_lid=Greeter_%7C%7C20120627_SALE%7C%7 C&wc_mid=1506%3A17945%3AWHA_AH_20120627_BLI-OGG&wc_rid=1-681LKVV

N830MH
Jun 27, 12, 3:41 pm
G4 is showing two flights a week, but show no availability past mid-late January. Don't know if this is because it will be seasonal for them as well, or that their reservations aren't open yet beyond that, which would seem odd.

Maybe they will have a extended schedule. Nobody who will tell you. When you hear a new schedule to be release.

beckoa
Jun 27, 12, 4:54 pm
Here is the announcement on Alaskaair.com

http://www.alaskaair.com/content/deals/flights/new-route.aspx?wc_lid=Greeter_%7C%7C20120627_SALE%7C%7 C&wc_mid=1506%3A17945%3AWHA_AH_20120627_BLI-OGG&wc_rid=1-681LKVV

I like the quote from Hawaii Tourism explaining how much revenue the state should receive from the flight :p

ANC
Jun 27, 12, 5:08 pm
http://airlineroute.net/2012/06/27/as-bliogg-w12/


AS807 BLI1100 – 1520OGG 73H x146
AS808 OGG1500 – 2255BLI 73H x357

AS announces to launch BLI-OGG. This route will goes on effective Nov. 8, 2012. This will operate for winter seasonal until Apr 13, 2013.

Looking like G4 will starting once-weekly service BLI-OGG & HNL, too. It will get more tougher competitive.

guess we know primarily where the ANC-ORD plane is going

beckoa
Jun 27, 12, 5:13 pm
Glad to see expansion- but the late night return requires an overnight for other destinations it seems :(

Hmm redeye with no food or dinner flight that requires a hotel?

beckoa
Jun 27, 12, 5:14 pm
guess we know primarily where the ANC-ORD plane is going

:rolleyes: :td:

I see and I don't like :(

beckoa
Jun 27, 12, 5:15 pm
Maybe they will have a extended schedule. Nobody who will tell you. When you hear a new schedule to be release.

Not even G4 knows themselves what they'll do... didn't they cxl service before it even commenced to at least one town? At least AS tries to fly for a day :p

NotHome
Jun 27, 12, 5:40 pm
Glad to see expansion- but the late night return requires an overnight for other destinations it seems :(

Hmm redeye with no food or dinner flight that requires a hotel?

Targeted to Vancouver traffic. You should see the parking lot here (now 3 of them) 60 - 70% BC plates. No overnight when home is within a hours drive.

beckoa
Jun 27, 12, 5:42 pm
Targeted to Vancouver traffic. You should see the parking lot here (now 3 of them) 60 - 70% BC plates. No overnight when home is within a hours drive.

Understand that and works well for them- I'm being a bit selfish :o

HiFlyerAS
Jun 27, 12, 5:51 pm
Targeted to Vancouver traffic. You should see the parking lot here (now 3 of them) 60 - 70% BC plates. No overnight when home is within a hours drive.

I'd even consider taking this flight from SEA. No traffic on the drive home...you could be back in SEA by 130am. And a nice FC meal service each direction, unlike HNL-BLI.

Jeeves
Jun 27, 12, 11:40 pm
For those of us who live north of Seattle this is a good option. Probably only 30 more minutes drive each way. Just bought tickets for a week in February. Bellingham can get hit hard with winter weather. Oh well - what the heck.

BOB W
Jun 28, 12, 12:02 am
Bellingham can get hit hard with winter weather. Oh well - what the heck.ummmh.....ANC:rolleyes:
You are just not prepared.

beckoa
Jun 28, 12, 12:15 am
ummmh.....ANC:rolleyes:
You are just not prepared.

Rain is annoying

Much easier to enjoy a beach side Mai Tai then to try to shovel rain @:-)

BOB W
Jun 28, 12, 12:32 am
Rain is annoying

Much easier to enjoy a beach side Mai Tai then to try to shovel rain @:-)

Rain rarely keeps a plane from flying

98103
Jun 28, 12, 9:51 am
guess we know primarily where the ANC-ORD plane is going

How can you be absolutely sure that this is the case, or is it strong speculation based on the timing of the two announcements?

mikelat
Jun 28, 12, 8:19 pm
Reservation is now open, including AS website. Promo fare starts at $178.20 one-way

Regretting not jumping on this. Was looking at a Thanksgiving trip and it was ~$178 but is now at least $100 more per person R/T.

Chugach
Jun 28, 12, 8:26 pm
How can you be absolutely sure that this is the case, or is it strong speculation based on the timing of the two announcements?

We Alaskans are telepathic.

Speedbird84
Jun 28, 12, 8:34 pm
I'm amazed at the amount of advertising being done in Vancouver for these new HI flights. Went downtown and got on a fully Allegiant branded SkyTrain, and passed at least one more with the same branding.

Then checked my email and there was an email from a local travel agency (which does a fair bit of advertising on one of the major TV networks here) promoting the new AS flights, both flights and package deals.

Both are definitely fighting for the market.

jimyvr
Jun 28, 12, 8:44 pm
Then checked my email and there was an email from a local travel agency (which does a fair bit of advertising on one of the major TV networks here) promoting the new AS flights, both flights and package deals.

Both are definitely fighting for the market.

I didn't saw those ads. I guess I've been hiding in a cave :p

N830MH
Jun 29, 12, 12:17 am
I didn't saw those ads. I guess I've been hiding in a cave :p

hahah....LOL!! :p That was very funny, huh?

98103
Jun 29, 12, 7:34 am
We Alaskans are telepathic.

just as I thought...its the booze talking. :D

robsaw
Jun 29, 12, 2:11 pm
I'm amazed at the amount of advertising being done in Vancouver for these new HI flights. Went downtown and got on a fully Allegiant branded SkyTrain, and passed at least one more with the same branding.



Even more amazing when you see the big Allegiant ad on the side of the SkyTrain car that is heading towards the YVR station - which is essentially an ad to take customers AWAY from YVR.

CZBB
Jun 30, 12, 1:52 pm
Even more amazing when you see the big Allegiant ad on the side of the SkyTrain car that is heading towards the YVR station - which is essentially an ad to take customers AWAY from YVR.

All thanks to the US government's high taxes on international flights. You skip it all by driving [free] over the border and then taking a US Domestic flight.

98103
Jun 30, 12, 4:30 pm
All thanks to the US government's high taxes on international flights. You skip it all by driving [free] over the border and then taking a US Domestic flight.

That's a load of bovine fecal matter.

The additional $17.50 that you "skip" by driving over the border may be saved, but have you actually looked at the total price difference in a ticket between YVR-HNL and SEA or BLI-HNL???

Using the same dates and including ALL taxes:
WestJet YVR-HNL Wed-to-Wed in Sept (cheapest fare) US $648
Alaska SEA-HNL Wed-to-Wed in Sept (not even cheapest fare) US $560
Alaska BLI-HNL Wed-to-Wed in Sept (VALUE fare) US $472
Alaska BLI-HNL Wed-to-Wed in Sept (Best Deal fare) US $388

That West Jet ticket includes $60 in US taxes. Put those taxes back on a BLI fare (even the value fare) and you're still saving US $130 which will more than cover the price of petrol from Surrey or Burnaby to Bellingham.

Futher, have you ever really looked at the taxes on a Canadian domestic ticket? Let's do that.
YVR-YUL a domestic flight of about 2300 miles:
Westjet: Total cost CAD 609.18, including taxes of CA$171.18 (US $168.37)
SEA-IAD a domestic flight of about 2300 miles:
United: Total cost $509.60, including taxes of $55.65 -- one third of the CANADIAN taxes.

robsaw
Jun 30, 12, 8:49 pm
All thanks to the US government's high taxes on international flights. You skip it all by driving [free] over the border and then taking a US Domestic flight.

More like:

+ CDN taxes on ALL flights plus extras on the return from the USA
+ US taxes on inbound international flights
+ Generally uncompetitive fares, some of which is buried airport rent, AIF, etc

This is most apparent on an one-way award ticket which will have something like $5 in total taxes/fees when leaving from BLI and around $70 or more when leaving from YVR.

CZBB
Jul 1, 12, 12:12 pm
That's a load of bovine fecal matter.

The additional $17.50 that you "skip" by driving over the border may be saved, but have you actually looked at the total price difference in a ticket between YVR-HNL and SEA or BLI-HNL???

Using the same dates and including ALL taxes:
WestJet YVR-HNL Wed-to-Wed in Sept (cheapest fare) US $648
Alaska SEA-HNL Wed-to-Wed in Sept (not even cheapest fare) US $560
Alaska BLI-HNL Wed-to-Wed in Sept (VALUE fare) US $472
Alaska BLI-HNL Wed-to-Wed in Sept (Best Deal fare) US $388

That West Jet ticket includes $60 in US taxes. Put those taxes back on a BLI fare (even the value fare) and you're still saving US $130 which will more than cover the price of petrol from Surrey or Burnaby to Bellingham.

Futher, have you ever really looked at the taxes on a Canadian domestic ticket? Let's do that.
YVR-YUL a domestic flight of about 2300 miles:
Westjet: Total cost CAD 609.18, including taxes of CA$171.18 (US $168.37)
SEA-IAD a domestic flight of about 2300 miles:
United: Total cost $509.60, including taxes of $55.65 -- one third of the CANADIAN taxes.

Trying to compare BLI pricing with YVR is completely rediculous; as the prices are artificially (below cost) low. YVR(or BLI) to HNL is about 2700 miles, and airlines' costs are about $0.15/ASM. This means unless you're paying about $400 ea way, your ticket is losing the airline money. G4 and AS are in a huge battle to win BLI, and hence are offering the flights below cost.


I took your advice, and priced SEA-YVR-SEA on UA; in the taxes portion...

Canada Goods and Services Tax 13.15 CAD
Canadian Security Charge 12.10 CAD
Canada Goods and Services Tax 0.61 CAD
Canada Harmonized Sales Tax 2.40 CAD
Canada Airport Improvement Fee 20.00 CAD
Canadian taxes $48.26
For businesses, the GST & HST are also recoverable, lowering it even further.

U.S. Federal Transportation Tax 17.60 CAD
U.S. Customs User Fee 5.80 CAD
U.S. Immigration User Fee 7.40 CAD
U.S. APHIS User Fee 5.30 CAD
September 11th Security Fee 2.60 CAD
U.S. Passenger Facility Charge 4.70 CAD
U.S. Federal Transportation Tax 17.60 CAD
USA taxes $61.00 CAD

Who was it with the higher taxes again?

I'm not saying the Canadian airline industry is perfect, far from it. But the success of places like BLI is mostly due to the fact that you're changing an international flight into a domestic one; which completely changes the taxation landscape. Is YVR-YUL more expensive than SEA-IAH, quite possibly, Canada has a lot less competition.

For two countries that have a 'free' trade agreement, there's a heck of a lot of barriers. I much prefer the European model.

98103
Jul 1, 12, 4:27 pm
BLI is successful because it can and does draw travelers away from Vancouver, so therefore comparison is not completely ridiculous. It is an overlapping market. If it were not a fair comparison, it is unlikely that the parking garages at BLI would be full of BC passengers. Why do you think G4 tapped BLI as a place to do business to begin with? It wasn't to compete with AS, because AS wasn't there. They chose BLI to compete with YVR. Further the cost per ASM is a red herring here. We're not talking about profitability, the issue is the cost to the consumer.

In the end, it really has NOTHING to do with the taxes. It has more to do with the cost to the paying passenger.

CZBB
Jul 1, 12, 9:27 pm
BLI is successful because it can and does draw travelers away from Vancouver, so therefore comparison is not completely ridiculous. It is an overlapping market. If it were not a fair comparison, it is unlikely that the parking garages at BLI would be full of BC passengers. Why do you think G4 tapped BLI as a place to do business to begin with? It wasn't to compete with AS, because AS wasn't there. They chose BLI to compete with YVR. Further the cost per ASM is a red herring here. We're not talking about profitability, the issue is the cost to the consumer.

In the end, it really has NOTHING to do with the taxes. It has more to do with the cost to the paying passenger.

It has everything to do with taxes imposed on INTERNATIONAL flights. By being a domestic flight BLI-HNL vs International YVR-HNL; you avoid a lot of taxes.

BLI-YYC would also be more expensive than YVR-YYC

SFO777
Jul 1, 12, 9:38 pm
I'm not saying the Canadian airline industry is perfect, far from it. But the success of places like BLI is mostly due to the fact that you're changing an international flight into a domestic one; which completely changes the taxation landscape.

So what? If you don't like it, just fly your beloved Air Canuckistan and pay more taxes. But judging from the overwhelming majority of BC plates in the BLI parking lot, as well as Ontario and Quebec plates at BUF, BTV and PBG, most Canadians welcome the lower fares.

CZBB
Jul 3, 12, 9:03 am
So what? If you don't like it, just fly your beloved Air Canuckistan and pay more taxes. But judging from the overwhelming majority of BC plates in the BLI parking lot, as well as Ontario and Quebec plates at BUF, BTV and PBG, most Canadians welcome the lower fares.

Canuckistan? is that the country with universal health-care that results in a longer life expectancy and lower infant mortality than the United [Money Loving above all else] States of America ? Oh and a better credit rating too.

Of course BUF,BTV,PBG & BLI have lots of Canadian license plates. The current model of US Air Taxation gives a massive advantage for those flying to US domestic destinations to cross the border by land 1st which is free, vs the $30ish it costs to cross by air.

BOB W
Jul 3, 12, 4:50 pm
So what? If you don't like it, just fly your beloved Air Canuckistan and pay more taxes. But judging from the overwhelming majority of BC plates in the BLI parking lot, as well as Ontario and Quebec plates at BUF, BTV and PBG, most Canadians welcome the lower fares.

Canuckistan? is that the country with universal health-care that results in a longer life expectancy and lower infant mortality than the United [Money Loving above all else] States of America ? Oh and a better credit rating too.

Of course BUF,BTV,PBG & BLI have lots of Canadian license plates. The current model of US Air Taxation gives a massive advantage for those flying to US domestic destinations to cross the border by land 1st which is free, vs the $30ish it costs to cross by air.Let's try and keep this out of omni-land, please?

Personally, the more flights out of BLI the better. My UG chances seem to be best to and from there.^

beckoa
Jul 3, 12, 6:37 pm
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Perhaps AS will have a BLI-ANC flight next summer to serve the Southwestern Canadian population ^

Chugach
Jul 3, 12, 6:49 pm
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Perhaps AS will have a BLI-ANC flight next summer to serve the Southwestern Canadian population ^

I'd be all over that. I'm actually a bit surprised G4 hasn't dipped their toe into BLI-ANC seasonally. It's within range of their MD's and fits their model of serving tourist-heavy markets.

BOB W
Jul 3, 12, 7:42 pm
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I'd be all over that. I'm actually a bit surprised G4 hasn't dipped their toe into BLI-ANC seasonally. It's within range of their MD's and fits their model of serving tourist-heavy markets.I'd be lined up too. Especially if they added other destinations besides HI and LAS.

Penbank
Jul 5, 12, 11:02 am
Is there a market for Bellingham to be a mini-focus city? Perhaps, flights to Buffalo, NY (Toronto), Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Chicago (AA codeshare), Honolulu and OGG? Of course, AS is not in Buffalo now so it may be hard to set up a station for just a Bellingham flight unless they could get reasonable cost ground handling from someone else.

Chugach
Jul 5, 12, 12:10 pm
Is there a market for Bellingham to be a mini-focus city? Perhaps, flights to Buffalo, NY (Toronto), Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Chicago (AA codeshare), Honolulu and OGG? Of course, AS is not in Buffalo now so it may be hard to set up a station for just a Bellingham flight unless they could get reasonable cost ground handling from someone else.

What we've been seeing at BLI is probably what we'll continue to see: flights to tourist-heavy, price sensitive markets on the west coast and Hawaii. I think BLI-LAX or BLI-SNA are good possibilities, maybe BLI-PHX or BLI-ANC.

I doubt you'll see something like BLI-ORD; that's a business-oriented destination, and if they're chasing after higher-yielding business traffic they might as well go from YVR.

I suspect BLI has been a pleasant surprise for AS, considering they only started flying there to protect their turf against G4.

robsaw
Jul 5, 12, 2:00 pm
Trying to compare BLI pricing with YVR is completely rediculous; as the prices are artificially (below cost) low.

Airfare prices in dozens of markets are "artificial", in fact all airfares are "artificial" since they aren't based on a simple cost+profit for every route but are based upon competitive factors at every origin, connection and destination.

As others have stated, airfares are often uncompetitive in Canada with nearby US airports based upon a number of factors including how airports are financed and the level of taxation imposed on international/transborder flights originating in Canada.

The best us Vancouver area people can hope for is that YVR-Hawaii base fares will come down as much as possible given the BLI competition.

beckoa
Jul 5, 12, 4:31 pm
What we've been seeing at BLI is probably what we'll continue to see: flights to tourist-heavy, price sensitive markets on the west coast and Hawaii. I think BLI-LAX or BLI-SNA are good possibilities, maybe BLI-PHX or BLI-ANC.

I doubt you'll see something like BLI-ORD; that's a business-oriented destination, and if they're chasing after higher-yielding business traffic they might as well go from YVR.

I suspect BLI has been a pleasant surprise for AS, considering they only started flying there to protect their turf against G4.

Yeah LAS is 2x/daily, HNL 1x daily and now OGG 4x/week all leisure- wonder if Florida is too thin- almost better to go to Hawaii as its the same distance IMO.

Perhaps some Mexico if they get customs facilities- would be a bit ironic, but I met more Canadians in BZE then Americans - they seem to enjoy thawing out almost as much as us Alaskans :D

Arizona also might work...

Now if PAE were ever online - might change some metrics a bit.

mplflyer
Jul 5, 12, 6:56 pm
BLI to anywhere in Florida would be very attractive to YVR residents. Currently there are no direct, non stops to Florida from YVR. We usually drive to SEA not only for price, but to catch a 5.5 hr flight from there non stop.

Arizona would also be very attractive as it has become a popular place for BC residents to have vacation properties. Many were scooped up when housing prices plummeted there.

Personally I would not be interested inMexico, preferring Hawaii, but it still seems to attract Canadians.

Tide_from_PAE
Jul 6, 12, 1:27 am
I seem to recall that AS served BLI years ago and later switched to all-QX service before returning to fly BLI-LAS and later BLI-HNL/OGG. AS used to list the date that each destination was first served on its website, but I cannot find the specific page.

Touted as one of G4's "[Hubs in] Sunny Destinations," BLI primarily has service to leisure destinations in the Southwest and Mountain West, including DEN. Service to SEA and PDX, along with HNL, OGG, and the short-lived Skybus service to CMH round out the destinations. If one looks a the destinations currently served by G4, the route map looks very similar to the one operated/proposed by the short-lived Western in 2007.

In the last decade service form BLI to RNO, SFO, SLC, CMH, and LGB has been started and cancelled. Overall however, it seems that AS and G4 have been pleased with BLI yields. Still, it seems unlikely that BLI would get transcon service that does not already exist from YVR. If service did begin, ATL, MCO/SFB, and FLL/MIA would be likely choices for seasonal service.

BLI definitely has customs facilities owing to its location and reliever status to YVR, but the customs area would likely have to be moved or expanded to accommodate 150+ passengers at once. That said, the BLI-SAN flights are almost Canada-Mexico flights and have less taxes. :D

If AS were to expand service from BLI, PHX and PSP would be likely choices as they are leisure destinations popular with Canadians. BLI-LAX would appear to conflict too much with AS's Hollywood-Hollywood North (LAX-YVR) flights.

CZBB
Jul 6, 12, 7:40 am
In the last decade service form BLI to RNO, SFO, SLC, CMH, and LGB has been started and cancelled. Overall however, it seems that AS and G4 have been pleased with BLI yields. Still, it seems unlikely that BLI would get transcon service that does not already exist from YVR. If service did begin, ATL, MCO/SFB, and FLL/MIA would be likely choices for seasonal service.

BLI definitely has customs facilities owing to its location and reliever status to YVR, but the customs area would likely have to be moved or expanded to accommodate 150+ passengers at once. That said, the BLI-SAN flights are almost Canada-Mexico flights and have less taxes. :D


You're not going to see international service from BLI. The advantage of BLI lies in domestic flights, and you'll find that that YVR-Mexico isn't much different than SEA-Mexico in price, as you're back to paying the US international costs.

Also, calling CMH/SFO/RNO/LGB failures really depends, given that CMH was a route from a new airline that lasted less than a year, SFO just moved to OAK, and RNO and LGB were just airports that G4 decided to stop flying to from all of their other cities. Only SLC really was a 'failure'.

formeraa
Jul 6, 12, 10:34 am
Let's face it...BLI is a "leisure" market. G4, which is basically a tour operator who sells airline seats, has made it so. AS's service is primarily of a competitive, defensive nature. Take advantage of it while it still exists. At some point, AS will have to decide if this service actually is making money.

LouiseMc
Jul 6, 12, 11:52 am
Let's hope nothing happens to the market here in Bellingham. The expansion projects are reaching probably close to $20m. If something would up end the flights out of here it will all be a huge loss.

Jeeves
Feb 25, 13, 1:52 pm
I tried the BLI-OGG service last week. It was a lot cheaper than flying out of SEA for my dates. I had never flown out of BLI before. I know they are in the midst of an expansion/upgrade of facilities. Both flights were full, but it was President's Day week with lots of kids on mid-winter break (including our own).

We used the on-site parking lot which worked fine. You have to be careful to note where you parked as the stalls aren't numbered and row numbering is shared on both sides of an aisle. If you are parked in row E4, you could be on the D4 side or the F4 side. A couple on our return shuttle didn't know exactly where they were parked. The husband thought Row A and the wife thought it might be Row C. It's not fun trying to find a car in the dark.

The security line at BLI was relatively long and took about 20 minutes to go through. No elite lines at BLI or OGG.

The wait for baggage at BLI on the return took about 20 minutes before the first bags arrived. The bags were unloaded by two people - one bag at a time - with everyone all clustered into a small area with no moving carousel. They announced they would have to go back and get more bags off the plane after they were done with the initial load. We got lucky and our bags were on the first trolley.

I was looking forward to flying out of this smaller airport. I was disappointed with the airport operations. Perhaps it will be better once they are done with the expansion. For me, the extra driving time was about 40 minutes each way.

ANC
Feb 25, 13, 3:29 pm
I tried the BLI-OGG service last week. It was a lot cheaper than flying out of SEA for my dates. I had never flown out of BLI before. I know they are in the midst of an expansion/upgrade of facilities. Both flights were full, but it was President's Day week with lots of kids on mid-winter break (including our own).

We used the on-site parking lot which worked fine. You have to be careful to note where you parked as the stalls aren't numbered and row numbering is shared on both sides of an aisle. If you are parked in row E4, you could be on the D4 side or the F4 side. A couple on our return shuttle didn't know exactly where they were parked. The husband thought Row A and the wife thought it might be Row C. It's not fun trying to find a car in the dark.

The security line at BLI was relatively long and took about 20 minutes to go through. No elite lines at BLI or OGG.

The wait for baggage at BLI on the return took about 20 minutes before the first bags arrived. The bags were unloaded by two people - one bag at a time - with everyone all clustered into a small area with no moving carousel. They announced they would have to go back and get more bags off the plane after they were done with the initial load. We got lucky and our bags were on the first trolley.

I was looking forward to flying out of this smaller airport. I was disappointed with the airport operations. Perhaps it will be better once they are done with the expansion. For me, the extra driving time was about 40 minutes each way.is the gate area still huts?

Jeeves
Feb 25, 13, 3:32 pm
is the gate area still huts?

No. There is a central terminal building with 5 gates, a sit-down restaurant and a take-away place. You do walk out to the plane and climb up portable steps.

CZBB
Feb 25, 13, 11:20 pm
No. There is a central terminal building with 5 gates, a sit-down restaurant and a take-away place. You do walk out to the plane and climb up portable steps.

4 gates. B.C,D,E. Gate A is under construction (it couldn't be built before they knocked down the old terminal/trailer)

andyman1080
Feb 26, 13, 10:45 am
You do walk out to the plane and climb up portable steps.

Any idea how someone in a wheelchair who can not climb stairs would get onto the aircraft? I wonder if there's a motorized lift.

beckoa
Feb 26, 13, 11:31 am
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You do walk out to the plane and climb up portable steps.

Any idea how someone in a wheelchair who can not climb stairs would get onto the aircraft? I wonder if there's a motorized lift.

In KOA its a ramp. Saw a lift contraption in OTZ last year.

Finkface
Feb 26, 13, 11:35 am
Any idea how someone in a wheelchair who can not climb stairs would get onto the aircraft? I wonder if there's a motorized lift.

It is actually a ramp, not stairs. At least on all the flights I take out of there and I fly out a couple of times a month. The ramp is extremely steep on one 'leg' though. I use a cane and sometimes a wheelchair and they are great at helping you get to the plane. I haven't seen stairs on flights I've taken but that's just my experience and I am a frequent flyer out of BLI. And I have seen lifts as well.

FWIW, I love flying out of BLI and have never seen a security line longer than 5 minutes. The TSA are unbelievably friendly (yeah, I know!) and no NOS, although there was one tucked in back that looked like it was getting ready to be installed (sniff!). When I flew out last Saturday, the TSA guy told me it was an MMW and he didn't know when it was going to be up and running. Parking is about 25 feet from the terminal and cheap. No crowds, nice people and an easy procedure all around. A far, far better experience than any big airport could ever be.

andyman1080
Feb 26, 13, 11:59 am
It is actually a ramp, not stairs. At least on all the flights I take out of there and I fly out a couple of times a month. The ramp is extremely steep on one 'leg' though. I use a cane and sometimes a wheelchair and they are great at helping you get to the plane. I haven't seen stairs on flights I've taken but that's just my experience and I am a frequent flyer out of BLI. And I have seen lifts as well.

OK, good to know, thanks!

ANC
Feb 26, 13, 1:10 pm
Any idea how someone in a wheelchair who can not climb stairs would get onto the aircraft? I wonder if there's a motorized lift.For future reference, THey do have motorized lift equipment for that. Ive seen them used on the combis a few times

Aaron01
Feb 26, 13, 2:32 pm
At BLI the Q400s use stairs, when someone is in a wheelchair they bring out a ramp. The 738s don't have stairs, they always use a ramp.



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