Flying Blue (Air France, KLM, and Other Partners) - Connecting two award tickets?




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Deemus7
Jun 26, 12, 7:34 am
I am attempting to book an award ticket on AF through CDG to ZAG, but my continuing journey from ZAG violates the MPM for the route. So I was thinking about booking AAA-CDG, CDG-BBB (CDG being a stopover en route to my destination) and then nesting another r/t award/revenue ticket from CDG-ZAG-CDG during the CDG stopover. Here's what I'm wondering:

1) Would this raise any red flags to AF?
2) Would I be able to check-in for the CDG-ZAG flight and through-check my luggage when I check in at AAA?

The flight from AAA is an AF-operated flight, so I'm hoping they'd be able to access both itineraries. I'd have about 1:40 in CDG en route to ZAG, so theoretically enough time to transfer but definitely not enough time if I need to claim my bags and check-in for the CDG-ZAG flight.

Probably won't be an issue on the return, as I'd likely fly in on the afternoon flight and overnight in Paris, but I'd be interested to get some opinions. Has anyone done something similar and been able to have two separate award bookings treated as one itinerary for check-in and baggage purposes?

Thanks!


Gajan
Jun 26, 12, 7:57 am
Tickets booked under a different PNR cannot be combined.
In most cases it is possible to have them tag your bags through to the final destination, but please note that if your first flight is delayed they are under no obligation to get you to your final destination.

On my recent YUL-CDG (paid), CDG-AMS (award) they were able to note in the PNR (for internal purposes) that I was connecting from one flight to the other. However, this would not give me any rights should I miss connect.

Gajan

Vitali
Jun 26, 12, 8:06 am
Depending on where AAA and BBB are, booking AAA-CDG-ZAG and ZAG-CDG-BBB might end up being cheaper (in miles), with CDG-ZAG and ZAG-CDG being "free" pre/post "acheminements".

But that assumes AAA and BBB are outside of Europe 1/2/3, or, actually, at least farther out from CDG than ZAG.

Just a thought.


irishguy28
Jun 26, 12, 8:15 am
I am attempting to book an award ticket on AF through CDG to ZAG, but my continuing journey from ZAG violates the MPM for the route.

You're not booking this with Flying Blue, are you?

If so, please explain - there are no Maximum Permitted Mileages for FB Award tickets.

Deemus7
Jun 26, 12, 8:23 am
You're not booking this with Flying Blue, are you?

If so, please explain - there are no Maximum Permitted Mileages for FB Award tickets.

Nope, hoping to book with Delta, so I assume MPM applies? The routing I'd like from CDG-BBB doesn't show up on AF.us (for either award or revenue bookings), but it does it appear on ITA. Maybe I'll have luck getting the Delta folks to piece it together (which I know is a whole different issue). My point of posting here was to simply find out whether anyone had luck getting AF agents to treat two separate awards as one itinerary.

Thanks for the responses!

irishguy28
Jun 26, 12, 9:16 am
I have no experience with Delta's FFP.

On intercontinental flights, booked as awards on FB, generally speaking any destination in the target continent is charged at the same price (in miles, at least). So if it was an FB award, you would pay the same amount in miles to get to ZAG as you would if you were only going as far as CDG (all other things being equal, such as relevant fare classes being available in the extra flights that you would need).

However, "MMP" is usually something associated only with revenue tickets, though of course I guess it depends on the rules of the plan. Most plans require you to redeem on the most direct route, or a reasonable route, which I guess is the same thing.

But I really don't see why you think there is any issue here. I don't see how you could get to ZAG from North America without going through CDG - the most direct route on Skyteam to ZAG is actually through CDG with Air France (the only other SkyTeam airlines that fly there are Aeroflot via Moscow, and (seasonally) Korean Air via Incheon - and either of those would surely be invalid routings).

If, as you think/suggest, you can't route from North America to Zagreb without passing through CDG, then I guess that means that you can't book North America-ZAG at all in Skymiles. And that doesn't seem right.

Perhaps the question belongs in the Delta forum?

orbitmic
Jun 26, 12, 11:15 am
My point of posting here was to simply find out whether anyone had luck getting AF agents to treat two separate awards as one itinerary.



Gajan gave you a iperfect answer to that: If by 'one itinerary' you just mean through checking the bags and even issuing boarding cards from point of origin, this will be no issue. However, two separate PNRs remain two separate PNRs forever, and paid or award makes no difference. You mention 1h40 connecting time. If the first flight is 1h15 late and you miss your second flight, you lose everything. As long as you know/accept the risk you are taking there (I personally wouldn't), there should be no worry about needing to recheck luggage etc.

Deemus7
Jun 26, 12, 11:20 am
Gajan gave you a iperfect answer to that: If by 'one itinerary' you just mean through checking the bags and even issuing boarding cards from point of origin, this will be no issue. However, two separate PNRs remain two separate PNRs forever, and paid or award makes no difference. You mention 1h40 connecting time. If the first flight is 1h15 late and you miss your second flight, you lose everything. As long as you know/accept the risk you are taking there (I personally wouldn't), there should be no worry about needing to recheck luggage etc.

Agreed, and much appreciated. I am not a risk-taker by nature, so Mrs. Deemus and I will need to rework some things. :)

Thanks for the advice!



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