India-based Airlines - List of "Taxes and fees" on 9W redemption tickets

Insanity! Sheer insanity. After I finally found a round trip J award from DEL-LHR-DEL on 9W and along with the 104k miles, guess how much the paid portion was? INR 52000!!!! Seriously!? :eek: :rolleyes: :mad:

Anyways, after I calmed down, I thought maybe we could have a list of atleast the international routes on 9W and the "taxes and fees" charged for premium redemptions on 9W metal.

So, if people want to post their ridiculous redemption tax experiences, ideally in the below format with both one-ways and round trips, I will keep updating the below table:

as of
6/20/12 DEL-LHR-DEL 9W J INR 51328
6/20/12 DEL-LHR 9W J/F INR 17967
6/20/12 LHR-DEL 9W J/F INR 33362
6/20/12 DEL-HKG-DEL 9W J INR 21950
6/20/12 DEL-HKG 9W J INR 11335
6/20/12 HKG-DEL 9W J INR 10616
6/20/12 DEL-SIN-DEL 9W J INR 20791
6/20/12 DEL-SIN 9W J INR 10691
6/20/12 SIN-DEL 9W J INR 10101

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Insanity! Sheer insanity. After I finally found a round trip J award from DEL-LHR-DEL on 9W and along with the 104k miles, guess how much the paid portion was? INR 52000!!!! Seriously!? :eek: :rolleyes: :mad:

Anyways, after I calmed down, I thought maybe we could have a list of atleast the international routes on 9W and the "taxes and fees" charged for premium redemptions on 9W metal.

So, if people want to post their ridiculous redemption tax experiences, ideally in the below format with both one-ways and round trips, I will keep updating the below table:

as of
6/20/12 DEL-LHR-DEL 9W J INR 51328
6/20/12 DEL-LHR 9W J/F INR 17967
6/20/12 LHR-DEL 9W J/F INR 33362
6/20/12 DEL-HKG-DEL 9W J INR 21950
6/20/12 DEL-HKG 9W J INR 11335
6/20/12 HKG-DEL 9W J INR 10616
6/20/12 DEL-SIN-DEL 9W J INR 20791
6/20/12 DEL-SIN 9W J INR 10691
6/20/12 SIN-DEL 9W J INR 10101

Does it imclude fuel surcharge? BA redemprion also comes with excruciatingly high taxes and fees. I have 360,000 widowed miles sitting in Executive Club.

Does it imclude fuel surcharge? BA redemprion also comes with excruciatingly high taxes and fees. I have 360,000 widowed miles sitting in Executive Club.
Yes! Jet follows similar, and at times even higher, fuel surcharges as compared to BA.

I would happily swap my 360k 9W miles for 360k more BA miles anyday.

Try redeeming from BRU or MXP.. Lower taxes and fares compared to LHR.

6/20/12 DEL-LHR-DEL 9W J INR 51328
6/20/12 DEL-LHR 9W J/F INR 17967
6/20/12 LHR-DEL 9W J/F INR 33362
6/20/12 DEL-HKG-DEL 9W J INR 21950
6/20/12 DEL-HKG 9W J INR 11335
6/20/12 HKG-DEL 9W J INR 10616
6/20/12 DEL-SIN-DEL 9W J INR 20791
6/20/12 DEL-SIN 9W J INR 10691
6/20/12 SIN-DEL 9W J INR 10101

Good job AJ!

I think you should include a compare of the cash component required to fly the same routes using Jet points on partners.

Try redeeming from BRU or MXP.. Lower taxes and fares compared to LHR.

that's exactly what i do....flying out of lhr is crazy....for a little more i can get an economy ticket & upgrade using vouchers....

that's exactly what i do....flying out of lhr is crazy....for a little more i can get an economy ticket & upgrade using vouchers....

Unless you happen to be in or near Brussels, is it really worth it, all things considered?

The cost of getting from London to Brussels, plus the hassle of two flights and a connection compared to a non-stop. There might even be a hotel stay involved (I'm not sure if flights from Britain arrive in BRU early enough to make the Jet departures).

Surely it all adds up?

Unless you happen to be in or near Brussels, is it really worth it, all things considered?

The cost of getting from London to Brussels, plus the hassle of two flights and a connection compared to a non-stop. There might even be a hotel stay involved (I'm not sure if flights from Britain arrive in BRU early enough to make the Jet departures).

Surely it all adds up?

well, lets do the math....

in november this year my brother & i will be in london for a friend's wedding....he will be heading back to bom & i will be coming back to del....luckily there was availability to get a business redemption seat each from both lhr & bru to our respective destinations....

from lhr it will cost us a little over inr 34k each....so a grand total of inr 68k....

from bru it will cost us inr 11.5k each....add to that a £29 eurostar ticket to bru & €80 for the airport sheraton, this all adds up to a little under inr 34k for both....plus i'll be using e-vouchers for the eurostar tickets & points for my stay at the sheraton so my real cost won't be more than inr 25k for both....

but even without the vouchers & points, it does add up, but only to half....so we are taking the bru route....

Thanks for that. I never did that calculation myself, but there's definitely a decent enough difference.

I have no need to go to London anytime soon, but I am scheduled to go to Brussels later in the year. I'm going to have to look at redeeming my points on that. I need two tickets, but even if one goes through, that's a decent saving plus another chunk of Jet points used up.

Thanks for that. I never did that calculation myself, but there's definitely a decent enough difference.

if the difference was not much then i would not bother myself....but when i can save half then its definitely worth it....

I have no need to go to London anytime soon, but I am scheduled to go to Brussels later in the year. I'm going to have to look at redeeming my points on that. I need two tickets, but even if one goes through, that's a decent saving plus another chunk of Jet points used up.

del-bru-del is the most difficult sector to redeem on for business....economy is a lot easier but they almost always have just one seat per flight....

bom-bru-bom is easier....they sometimes have business or even first class redemptions available....

another point is that you should call them if you don't see any seats online....if i remember correctly, i have managed to get a seat by calling at least 3 times when none were showing online....

Insanity! Sheer insanity. After I finally found a round trip J award from DEL-LHR-DEL on 9W and along with the 104k miles, guess how much the paid portion was? INR 52000!!!! Seriously!? :eek: :rolleyes: :mad:



Seems legit.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-hUHi3ANFi2A/T-XpCasOBoI/AAAAAAAAA9g/rVKzkrln2nw/s0-d/12%2B-%2B1
Taxes + fees = 1203.7 CAD

Seems legit.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-hUHi3ANFi2A/T-XpCasOBoI/AAAAAAAAA9g/rVKzkrln2nw/s0-d/12%2B-%2B1
Taxes + fees = 1203.7 CAD
Oh absolutely, it is perfectly "legal".

However out of that 1200, almost half i.e. CAD 548 is YQ, directly in Jet's pocket.

As a counter example, calculate the same route on Qatar J from DEL-DOH/x-LHR and compare the taxes and fees on the ticket. ;)

well, lets do the math....

...plus i'll be using e-vouchers for the eurorail tickets

Thanks very much for detailing the BRU advantage.

May I ask what kind of "e-vouchers" can be used to defray the cost of EuroStar tickets?

Thanks very much for detailing the BRU advantage.

May I ask what kind of "e-vouchers" can be used to defray the cost of EuroStar tickets?

here you go:

http://www.eurostar.com/UK/uk/leisure/llp_homepage.jsp

Oh absolutely, it is perfectly "legal".

However out of that 1200, almost half i.e. CAD 548 is YQ, directly in Jet's pocket.

As a counter example, calculate the same route on Qatar J from DEL-DOH/x-LHR and compare the taxes and fees on the ticket. ;)

It says CAD 540.8.
JN is also high.

JN is fair enough, as it is a govt mandate.

But despite that, 540 vs. 1200. What a difference YQ makes!

AJ, one to add to your list:

as of
02/07/12 BRU-BOM 9W F EUR 202 (INR ~ 14,000)

Yes! Jet follows similar, and at times even higher, fuel surcharges as compared to BA.

I would happily swap my 360k 9W miles for 360k more BA miles anyday.

BA miles are useless too. I have some 400k and I can never bring myself to use any as the miles required are just silly.

Along with Jet and BA I am just hoping for one route that pops up that will give my miles some value for money.

BA miles are useless too. I have some 400k and I can never bring myself to use any as the miles required are just silly.

Along with Jet and BA I am just hoping for one route that pops up that will give my miles some value for money.

i've been able to get great use out of ba miles....the best part is that you can use these miles on the ba site to book awards tickets on all the one world carriers....i just avoid london because of the insane fees they have....

i've been able to get great use out of ba miles....the best part is that you can use these miles on the ba site to book awards tickets on all the one world carriers....i just avoid london because of the insane fees they have....

Well there is always a first ;) What route did you manage to get decent value redemption's on?

Well there is always a first ;) What route did you manage to get decent value redemption's on?

business class del-bkk return on cx for 40k points plus inr 6.5k....

business class del-lhr one way on rj for 45k points plus inr 3.5k....

lots of economy domestic sectors in north america on aa from 4.5k - 12.5k miles plus inr 125....

business class del-bkk return on cx for 40k points plus inr 6.5k....

business class del-lhr one way on rj for 45k points plus inr 3.5k....

lots of economy domestic sectors in north america on aa from 4.5k - 12.5k miles plus inr 125....

I wouldn't class DEL-BKK a good value one. 40k earned on Avios buys you a 35k INR CX ticket. 40k earned on AA buys you a 1.2 L Jet First ticket.

Other one is decent and yeah short haul redemption's are also decent value. But nothing great in Business at all.

I wouldn't class DEL-BKK a good value one. 40k earned on Avios buys you a 35k INR CX ticket. 40k earned on AA buys you a 1.2 L Jet First ticket.

good value for me is the ability to use my miles easily on the dates & sector i want....without paying to much in fees & taxes....:)

good value for me is the ability to use my miles easily on the dates & sector i want....without paying to much in fees & taxes....:)

True! You are right. BTW how is RJ business and the transfers?

good value for me is the ability to use my miles easily on the dates & sector i want....without paying to much in fees & taxes....:)

Exactly! What's the point of having a lower points threshold and a lower cash component if there's never any availability?

True! You are right. BTW how is RJ business and the transfers?

my flight is in september....will update....

my flight is in september....will update....

Aside from the horrible departure time from DEL it looks quite nice. Also what will you do for your return as the return requires a overnight in AMM right?

Aside from the horrible departure time from DEL it looks quite nice. Also what will you do for your return as the return requires a overnight in AMM right?

while the departure time doesn't bother me too much, i do agree that it could have been better....i'm only flying one way on rj....my return is on klm from ams....

while the departure time doesn't bother me too much, i do agree that it could have been better....i'm only flying one way on rj....my return is on klm from ams....

I can't sleep on flight for some reason. Got EY a few weeks back at 7am. so 5am check which meant waking up at 4am. Was meeting with family so didn't get any sleep the night before.

Make things worse I missed my connection in AUH so was stuck there for another 5hrs. Got home at 9pm a whole 22hrs after checking in! ;)

I used to take KLM all the time. Loved AMS but have been spoilt now with the afternoon flights from the UK. The AMS flight means a wake up at 4am for check-in at 5am!

Departure time wise you can't beat Jet IMHO both ways.

Aside from the horrible departure time from DEL it looks quite nice. Also what will you do for your return as the return requires a overnight in AMM right?
It's horrible at the India end, but makes perfect sense for RJ, because the timings at Amman are more important, enabling convenient connections to their whole network (broadly speaking), usually at civilised timings.

We see this all over the world, almost without exception, with Air France and South African and even Air bloody Lanka, at Nairobi and London and Atlanta. They all have arrivals and departures at their hubs focused around the morning or late afternoon. Not 3 am.

Somehow our airlines seem to be the exception. Why on earth ours are amongst the only airlines that insist on continuing with nasty o'clock operations (something they simply copied from the European airlines, IMO) defeats me.

AI have made a little progress since their move north, but AI being AI will not be able to make a success of anything.

7/10/12 del-ccu 9w j inr 1289
7/10/12 ccu-del 9w y inr 836

7/10/12 del-ccu 9w j inr 1289
Nice one! I've found 9W inventory opening up a bit recently.. Just found 2Y, 2J seats and 1F seat on BOM-LHR on the same flight for Oct..

Nice one! I've found 9W inventory opening up a bit recently.. Just found 2Y, 2J seats and 1F seat on BOM-LHR on the same flight for Oct..

Seeing 1J and 1F on most dates to DEL too ^

Nice one! I've found 9W inventory opening up a bit recently.. Just found 2Y, 2J seats and 1F seat on BOM-LHR on the same flight for Oct..

very nice....haven't seen anything like that in a while....

So I am planning a Dubai trip in Feb of the coming year and was looking for tickets on the Jet Website for the 7th to 12th of Feb. The return fare of revenue tickets on "W" class is coming at 16.2k (Add 2,400 miles I earn on the travel plus another 3,200 miles using the HDFC World Card = 5,600 miles). Assuming Jet miles being valued at roughly INR 0.5 each, the return fare effectively comes at around 13k which is a good deal

When I try to redeem miles for the same route for same dates, I have to pay a whopping 30k miles + INR 16k . On top of this, I do not earn miles on the travel and only earn the 3,200 miles using the HDFC card. So, net, I am paying around 30k for the return flight.

Based on the above, I was just wondering whether it ever makes sense to redeem miles for international flights on Jet, even much well in advance ??? Makes Jet miles literally worthless for international flights !!!

Views from senior members on their past experiences around international redemption or usage of Jet Miles is welcome.

Cheers !!
Parag

So I am planning a Dubai trip in Feb of the coming year and was looking for tickets on the Jet Website for the 7th to 12th of Feb. The return fare of revenue tickets on "W" class is coming at 16.2k (Add 2,400 miles I earn on the travel plus another 3,200 miles using the HDFC World Card = 5,600 miles). Assuming Jet miles being valued at roughly INR 0.5 each, the return fare effectively comes at around 13k which is a good deal

When I try to redeem miles for the same route for same dates, I have to pay a whopping 30k miles + INR 16k . On top of this, I do not earn miles on the travel and only earn the 3,200 miles using the HDFC card. So, net, I am paying around 30k for the return flight.

Based on the above, I was just wondering whether it ever makes sense to redeem miles for international flights on Jet, even much well in advance ??? Makes Jet miles literally worthless for international flights !!!

Views from senior members on their past experiences around international redemption or usage of Jet Miles is welcome.

Cheers !!
Parag

fuel surcharges will remain the same in premium cabins as well. I've always maintained that it makes sense only to redeem 9w intl in premium cabins and not Y. there is way more value there if you can find that elusive premiere seat

fuel surcharges will remain the same in premium cabins as well. I've always maintained that it makes sense only to redeem 9w intl in premium cabins and not Y. there is way more value there if you can find that elusive premiere seat

very true....i don't think i've ever redeemed miles for an international economy ticket....just doesn't make sense....

very true....i don't think i've ever redeemed miles for an international economy ticket....just doesn't make sense....

In all my Premiere and First flights and there must be more then 30 in the last 3 years I only redeemed my points once to get that second First class seat. It just doesn't make sense. Their charges are so high.

Perfect - Thanks a lot for the inputs guys !!

very true....i don't think i've ever redeemed miles for an international economy ticket....just doesn't make sense....

I have done it several times with miles from US based carriers. Why do guys put up with YQ? It is almost equal to the cost of buying a ticket.

I have done it several times with miles from US based carriers. Why do guys put up with YQ? It is almost equal to the cost of buying a ticket.

that's the one thing i really like about us based airlines....if i have to spend even 1/5th on fees & taxes then i don't consider it an award ticket....

Agree. Award redemption in Jet is a bummer for international flights

I have done it several times with miles from US based carriers. Why do guys put up with YQ? It is almost equal to the cost of buying a ticket.


the TINA factor with Jet (There is no alternative)... unless you want AI. Award programs are not exactly monitored or regulated, so they can do what they feel like. it is there prerogative.

the TINA factor with Jet (There is no alternative)... unless you want AI. Award programs are not exactly monitored or regulated, so they can do what they feel like. it is there prerogative.

9W is a partner with AA and so was IT. You could fly them and credit AA. For a long time NW was a partner and one could even book 9W/IT awards online.

Apart from just YQ, I really hate the manual booking process (emailing/faxing, etc) . With a US airlines I can call the airline and be done with it, and even then I whine. I want everything to be done online. Hate spending hours and days for a silly booking. Yes I know, I'm pampered.

9W is a partner with AA and so was IT. You could fly them and credit AA. For a long time NW was a partner and one could even book 9W/IT awards online.

Apart from just YQ, I really hate the manual booking process (emailing/faxing, etc) . With a US airlines I can call the airline and be done with it, and even then I whine. I want everything to be done online. Hate spending hours and days for a silly booking. Yes I know, I'm pampered.

your circumstance works when one is talking a couple of random segments or 4 here and there. it does not work when we live in India, fly 9w often. 9w is my primary program on domestic travels, and the bennies come only when i credit the flights to 9w.

Why do guys put up with YQ?.

What choice do we have?

your circumstance works when one is talking a couple of random segments or 4 here and there. it does not work when we live in India, fly 9w often. 9w is my primary program on domestic travels, and the bennies come only when i credit the flights to 9w.

What would some of those bennies be? I'm thinking priority boarding and bonus miles?

Pardon my limited understanding. What's YQ?

Pardon my limited understanding. What's YQ?
Fuel surcharge..

Pardon my limited understanding. What's YQ?

Fuel surcharge. Charged by the operating carrier in most cases. Was done in response to global fuel price increases. However this amount only goes up; never down. If you try to book a mileage ticket on BA metal with BA miles TATL in Y you might as well just buy a ticket.

Pardon my limited understanding. What's YQ?

Jet's cream on the cake.

Jet's cream on the cake.
Does Lalaji do "cake"? Or were you thinking more of malai on lassi. (Where is the puke smiley?) :eek: ;)

Does Lalaji do "cake"? Or were you thinking more of malai on lassi. (Where is the puke smiley?) :eek: ;)

Lala and Lali live in London where Lali gets 2 Cr from 9w as housing allowance. I am sure they can afford a big microwave and bake cake. as for the cream, there is always YQ

Lala and Lali live in London where Lali gets 2 Cr from 9w as housing allowance. I am sure they can afford a big microwave and bake cake. as for the cream, there is always YQ

I hope lalaji screws it up with etihad and IT wins the game :)

I hope lalaji screws it up with etihad and IT wins the game :)

Long Long Long way to go if that were to come true.

I hope lalaji screws it up with etihad and IT wins the game :)

lets not get ahead of ourselves....first let kingfisher start flying again....