Frontier Airlines EarlyReturns - Southwest answers Delta's offer!!!! Donate F9 Miles get RR or A+ Miles

Got this email.

Dear PhD to MD:

We have an exciting opportunity for Wisconsin Rapid Rewards Members looking for ways to use their Frontier EarlyReturns® miles! From now through August 31, 2012, donate all of your Frontier miles to one of the EarlyReturns charitable donation program participants, and we will give you a Rapid Rewards Point for every EarlyReturns mile you donate!

In addition to matching your Frontier EarlyReturns miles, we are also offering EarlyReturns Ascent and Summit members complimentary Rapid Rewards A-List and AirTran® A+ Rewards® Elite status. That means you can gain tier status in two frequent flier programs regardless of whether you choose to donate your miles or not!

Here's how it works:

Donate all of your Frontier miles to an EarlyReturns charitable donation program of your choice.

Submit a copy of your Frontier EarlyReturns statement that denotes the mileage that you have donated and reflects that your account balance has been zeroed out along with all of the information below to RapidRewards@wnco.com.

And if you are an EarlyReturns Ascent or Summit member and wish to gain elite status in Rapid Rewards and A+ Rewards, submit a copy of your current, valid tier card or statement along with all of the information below to RapidRewards@wnco.com.

Rapid Rewards Points and any eligible elite status match will be granted within four to six weeks of submitting your request. Don't miss out on this one-time special offer!

Submit the following information to RapidRewards@wnco.com by August 31, 2012:

First and last name.

Rapid Rewards account number.

A+ Rewards account number (if requesting A+ Elite status).

Enroll now if you are not yet an A+ Rewards Member.

Phone number.

A copy of your EarlyReturns statement reflecting a zero balance and the donated mileage.

A copy of your current, valid EarlyReturns Ascent or Summit tier card or statement if requesting status match.

To avoid delays, please ensure that your request includes all of the above information.

Please note that e-mail attachments cannot exceed five megabytes (5MB).

Donate your mileage today and get matching Rapid Rewards Points!

Got this email.

Dear PhD to MD:

We have an exciting opportunity for Wisconsin Rapid Rewards Members looking for ways to use their Frontier EarlyReturns® miles! From now through August 31, 2012, donate all of your Frontier miles to one of the EarlyReturns charitable donation program participants, and we will give you a Rapid Rewards Point for every EarlyReturns mile you donate!



I received the same email offer. Now, the difficult decision will be which way to go.

Does anyone have any thoughts on which option (DL or WN) will be the better choice for a MKE-based traveler? Unfortunately, ER is of little value to me, these days.

Info on donating miles can be found at http://www.frontierairlines.com/frequent-flyers/use-your-miles/charitable-donations. For those who follow up on this offer (or just want to donate), there are several WI-based organizations on the list, including American Red Cross, Children's Hospital of WI, MACC Fund, and Make-A-Wish Foundation of WI. Now would be the time to donate, as it probably won't be long before WI organizations will no longer be partners in the ER program.

Outstanding!

The gauntlet has been thrown!

UGH! Well gee this would've been nice to know BEFORE I transferred ALL my miles over to DL...

UGH! Well gee this would've been nice to know BEFORE I transferred ALL my miles over to DL...

I transferred them also to Delta---they have yet to come out of my account. I called to donate and they stated the transfer will take 48hours.

On a side note, apparently Frontier has now suspended their donation program (in response to Southwest offer????) Transferred some a half hour ago no problem. Called back and told me their donation program is suspended.

From Frontier's website:

Charitable Donations
We are currently evaluating our charitable mileage donation program. This program has been suspended until further notice.

This is totally unfair to the charities; how petty can you get! :td:

From Frontier's website:



This is totally unfair to the charities; how petty can you get! :td:

When I asked to donate miles, the rep asked me if I knew about the Delta program conversion. I said yes, but still wanted to donate. I wonder if Delta had any say in this decision.

Man, I should have pulled the trigger when I got the message.

This is getting juicy.

I pulled the trigger right away on the switch to Delta. I swear I checked a week or so ago, and saw the points gone from my Frontier account. Log in today, they are back.

Right away I considered emailing Southwest and asking if they'd take a sky miles donation and a proof of the transfer, but now who knows what is going on.. .

I transferred them also to Delta---they have yet to come out of my account. I called to donate and they stated the transfer will take 48hours.

On a side note, apparently Frontier has now suspended their donation program (in response to Southwest offer????) Transferred some a half hour ago no problem. Called back and told me their donation program is suspended.

Wow, that was a very short reaction time. From Frontier's point of view it makes sense not to allow competitors to convert Frontier's deferred liabilities into current outlays. Yet the freeze on donations sends a message of financial fragility to customers. That could provoke a "bank run" on redemptions.

Some years back I decided to transfer most of my ATA points to Southwest rather than save them for an ATA trip to Hawaii. IIRC, ATA's deletion of its Hawaii service prompted this decision. About 6 weeks later ATA ceased operation and its points were immediately worthless, not redeemable for Southwest credits or anything else. (Incidentally, Southwest did not protect Rapid Rewards members who had booked award travel on ATA more than a month past ATA's abandoment of those routes. That was a shameful harbinger of hard-nosed decisions to come.)

No company will give its customers warning of a shutdown. We just have to read the tea leaves as best we can. In most cases I have seen across all industries, when the press reports a business is in trouble the reality is much more dire than the report. So keep an eye on press reports.

This is getting juicy.

I pulled the trigger right away on the switch to Delta. I swear I checked a week or so ago, and saw the points gone from my Frontier account. Log in today, they are back.

Retroactive suspension of donations? This is entering territory last explored by Amtrak and Choice in the several weeks that the Continental>Amtrak>Choice>Southwest gravy train was running. Before that GoldPoints held the infamy title for its handling of the ValuMags promotion.

I regard no-notice changes as disloyalty by the loyalty program. Retroactive changes are worse than that.

Wow, that was a very short reaction time. From Frontier's point of view it makes sense not to allow competitors to convert Frontier's deferred liabilities into current outlays. Yet the freeze on donations sends a message of financial fragility to customers. That could provoke a "bank run" on redemptions.


We know that there are F9 lurkers here; also, it probably did not take long before the ER department started receiving calls from customers wishing to take action on the WN offer.

Clearly they are not going to want this, as the DL exchange was designed for Delta to assume their liabilities and this charitable donation program entails fulfilling some of the liability. I just wonder why my miles are back in the F9 account.

Note to self: Change address in all frequent flyer accounts to Wisconsin.

(Who knows, maybe another airline will throw their hat into the ring for the lucrative Milwaukee market!)

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With the latest development, I can see either Delta or SWA taking ER miles in the event Frontier would cease operations.

Either entirely, or just at MKE.

From Frontier's website:
This is totally unfair to the charities; how petty can you get! :td:

Real classy move by Frontier. :td::td:

Why the doom and gloom for Frontier?

They shouldn't want this to happen.

They arranged an agreement where Delta would assume their liabilities of these existing miles.

Now Southwest comes along and offers a match proposition that would still leave Frontier with the liability (via charity).

No surprise Frontier isn't going to want this.. they shouldn't, and I can't blame them for trying to close this kind of loophole Southwest is trying to exploit. It doesn't mean they're in trouble, it simply means they are paying attention and defending their best interest.

Do I want the WN miles instead? Heck yeah. But I completely understand Frontiers perspective.

Yup they definitely put the kibosh on charity donations.

http://www.examiner.com/article/frontier-airlines-suspends-mileage-donations-to-charity

WN had to have seen this coming. . .

Also, Frontier budgeted a certain amount of expected donations to charity this year. Is Southwest trying to drive Frontier out of business???

This move from Southwest is very similar to what the old AirTran did a few years ago when they started building their Milwaukee hub.

At that time, you donated Midwest miles and earned AirTran credits. They also did the elite matching promotion.

http://pressroom.airtran.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=201565&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1427125&highlight=

But, last time Midwest didn't try to prevent the donation of miles.

Is Southwest trying to drive Frontier out of business???


Is the Pope Catholic?


Crankyflier said:
"It's a great way for Southwest to attract Frontier loyalists [in Milwaukee] while also encouraging charity - love it."

This had me laugh. The Frontier loyalists in Milwaukee are about as prevalent as herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically across Torquay.

Frontier has every right to do what they are doing with the donation. If they hadn't offered the Delta match (whoevers idea it was), i'd say screw 'em. But they did, and I have to give them that.

It's very easy to be charitable with someone else's assets/liabilities.

Crankyflier said:
"It's a great way for Southwest to attract Frontier loyalists [in Milwaukee] while also encouraging charity - love it."

The full article is at http://www.examiner.com/article/frontier-airlines-suspends-mileage-donations-to-charity

Kind of interesting that Southwest does this now, fifteen days after the Delta deal opened up. More than a few customers who might have jumped at the Southwest mile transfer instead had already taken the Delta offer. This Southwest offer is essentially identical to one AirTran used to poach Midwest customers a few years back. I wonder if it really took fifteen days to dust it off, or if it took them awhile to decide if they were going to respond or not. One wonders if the same AirTran folks who were part of the original idea a few years back are with Southwest, and if they pushed to make this happen.

From Frontier's point of view it makes sense not to allow competitors to convert Frontier's deferred liabilities into current outlays. Yet the freeze on donations sends a message of financial fragility to customers. That could provoke a "bank run" on redemptions.

I don't think the freeze on donations sends any such message.

Plenty of customers, of course, are either not aware or not savvy enough to draw any conclusion at all. And remember that since this is a Wisconsin-only program, the large majority of Early Returns members are unaffected and probably not even aware of this.

For those who try to exercise this option and find the charitable donation program suspended, I would expect the overwhelming conclusion to be that Frontier is thwarting Southwest's attempt to meddle in their frequent flyer program, which is what this in fact appears to be.

Clearly they are not going to want this, as the DL exchange was designed for Delta to assume their liabilities and this charitable donation program entails fulfilling some of the liability. I just wonder why my miles are back in the F9 account.

Wouldn't be a surprise for this to be a technical glitch -- we've seen oddball stuff like this before. Has anyone else who pulled the trigger on the Delta deal seen miles put back into their Frontier account?

This move from Southwest is very similar to what the old AirTran did a few years ago when they started building their Milwaukee hub.

At that time, you donated Midwest miles and earned AirTran credits. They also did the elite matching promotion.

But, last time Midwest didn't try to prevent the donation of miles.

At that time, approximately 210 Midwest customers accepted the AirTran deal and donated about 15 million Midwest Miles.

No surprise Frontier isn't going to want this.. they shouldn't, and I can't blame them for trying to close this kind of loophole Southwest is trying to exploit. It doesn't mean they're in trouble, it simply means they are paying attention and defending their best interest.


Loophole? What loophole? You could have donated miles previously instead of transferring them to Delta. If Delta is taking on the liability without charging Frontier for it, then yes, Frontier would definitely like you to transfer your miles instead of donating them, but I still don't see the loophole.

Southwest is basically making the passenger whole(and then some if they took a tax deduction for donating miles) by replacing the donated miles with Southwest miles. A better offer for all but Frontier.

It's very easy to be charitable with someone else's assets/liabilities.Indeed it is.

For what it's worth, when you run the numbers this is a VERY aggressive move by Southwest, because in many cases a WN point is worth more than a F9 or DL mile. If you convert to DL, you lose one-way redemptions, meaning that the lowest redemption category is 25k miles. If you donated those 25k miles, you'd get $416 worth of Southwest points (actually, a little more than that...a $110 flight comes out to 6000 points or so).

This is basically Southwest's way of saying, "Actually, WE want all your WI customers, and we certainly don't want DL to have them, so we're willing to spend several hundred dollars per elite customer to get them to switch to us." That Frontier is temporarily closing donations to keep WN from decimating their DL deal is totally understandable.

Though, I gotta admit, the WN deal is a really good one. If it was available in DEN, I'd take advantage of it, only because I'll be at a spoke starting in August. Then again, Southwest making the offer in DEN would probably cost them a ton of money (due to a larger F9 base, which may or may not be loyal when faced with such a good deal) and maybe even spark predatory pricing concerns, since F9 is hanging on quite well in the Mile HIgh City.

Oh, and WN could have easily been less aggressive with their transfer promo: give folks a Standard Award for each 25k miles donated. So yes, I think that this was a more "nuclear" option.

Retroactive suspension of donations?

jpetekYXMD80 has pointed out that there's no indication that DL transfers will not go through regardless of how they currently display, or that donations were reversed for any member who requested them before the window closed. So I retract the quoted comment.

Oh, and WN could have easily been less aggressive with their transfer promo: give folks a Standard Award for each 25k miles donated. So yes, I think that this was a more "nuclear" option.

Standard awards aren't being issued in the new program anymore.

Standard awards aren't being issued in the new program anymore.

Au contraire. Since about a month ago you can transfer 16 AirTran credits to Southwest and get a standard award. You can get 16 AirTran credits by transferring 19200 points from Southwest. You do the math.

You'd know this is you susbscribed to emails of the Newsflash thread. @:-)

With regard to charity donation of ER miles and current suspension of program, Frontier states "...we will announce once we are done reviewing the program."

Will this be on September 1?

Such a classy move from Frontier and supposedly the Frontier CEO is a religious guy, yup let your light shine. Frontier and Darth Delta deserve each other.

So glad I donated the majority of my Midwest miles to charity many moons ago.

Standard awards aren't being issued in the new program anymore.

Well in a roundabout way they are.

Transfer points to A+ credits and then back for an award good for one year if I've read all the posts correctly.

Wouldn't be a surprise for this to be a technical glitch -- we've seen oddball stuff like this before. Has anyone else who pulled the trigger on the Delta deal seen miles put back into their Frontier account?

I have not yet elected to do anything with my ER miles, but I know somebody else who accepted the F9/DL offer on the day of its announcement; the miles were taken out of the ER account yesterday. I don't know whether the miles were yet posted to the DL account, though.

I elected to transfer my ER miles to my Delta account soon after hearing about the offer.

They miles went away pretty quickly, but then reappeared several days later in my ER account. I noticed today that they were gone again. No bump to my delta account yet.

I elected to transfer my ER miles to my Delta account soon after hearing about the offer.

They miles went away pretty quickly, but then reappeared several days later in my ER account. I noticed today that they were gone again. No bump to my delta account yet.

Thanks for posting your experience...it's good to have a few examples to get a better picture.

(1) Makes sense that the Frontier miles would go away very quickly, as they don't want you to be able to double-use them (accidentally or on purpose).

(2) Not good but not a big surprise they'd be back temporarily. Glitches like that are definitely not unheard of with these guys.

(3) Not a surprise that Delta isn't crediting miles as quickly. They are probably loading them in periodic batches, and the fewer the batches to load the less work.

I doubt that any of this is directly related to the Southwest offer. At most, perhaps some investigation they did to scope how many people tried to use the Southwest deal (in the window they could have) lead them to reload or reverse some transactions temporarily. But I doubt it was anything more than this.

Now Southwest is simply giving up to 50,000 frequent flyer miles to Wisconsin residents if they can prove they have a balance in their Early Returns account.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/southwest-airlines-offers-rapid-rewards-191000930.html

Time for some double-dipping....

Now Southwest is simply giving up to 50,000 frequent flyer miles to Wisconsin residents if they can prove they have a balance in their Early Returns account.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/southwest-airlines-offers-rapid-rewards-191000930.html

Time for some double-dipping....

Thanks for posting the updated offer, knope.

Now Southwest is simply giving up to 50,000 frequent flyer miles to Wisconsin residents if they can prove they have a balance in their Early Returns account.

So if I had 15,000 miles in my F9 account they'd still give me 50,000 for use on WN? Or would they just simply match what I have? But either way the miles would remain in my F9 account, right?

So if I had 15,000 miles in my F9 account they'd still give me 50,000 for use on WN? Or would they just simply match what I have? But either way the miles would remain in my F9 account, right?

Yup, I believe it's just the miles you have in your account.

If you've already donated or transferred your miles, maybe they'll still credit you for the balance, but I don't know. It's probably worhth trying.

I may have to take advantage of this. As far as I can tell, I can get 2 free flights on WN with status just for signing up.

Great find Knope!

I called in to SW and they said a screen shot of my account will do. However, I don't know if this will satisfy the rule for *Current miles*. How are you guys sending in your miles to be matched? Do we have to wait for that monthly email showing how many miles we have as of X date.

Wow! They really don't want Delta to get the Wisconsin FF. I would be double dipping all the way to bank. Too bad I live in CO.

Another slap in the face for Frontier.

They deserve it for shutting down the charitable donation program.

I am sending these in for the matching offer and then transferring them to delta.

I called in to SW and they said a screen shot of my account will do. However, I don't know if this will satisfy the rule for *Current miles*. How are you guys sending in your miles to be matched? Do we have to wait for that monthly email showing how many miles we have as of X date.

If your ER balance is at least 50,000 miles, there is no point in waiting; just take a screenshot of the "My Account' page, after logging in to your account https://www.frontierairlines.com/frequent-flyers/myaccount . This page shows your name, current mileage in your account, as well as any elite status.

If you have fewer than 50,000 ER miles and anticipate additional miles to post to your ER account prior to the current deadline of 08.31,2012, you could wait, so that your RR account will be credited with more points. However, this promotion can end at any time, without notice, so you are taking some risk by holding off.

Since my ER account balance exceeds the 50,000 max, I submitted my request this afternoon.

Yup, I believe it's just the miles you have in your account.

If you've already donated or transferred your miles, maybe they'll still credit you for the balance, but I don't know. It's probably worhth trying.

If your ER balance is at least 50,000 miles, there is no point in waiting; just take a screenshot of the "My Account' page, after logging in to your account https://www.frontierairlines.com/frequent-flyers/myaccount . This page shows your name, current mileage in your account, as well as any elite status.

If you have fewer than 50,000 ER miles and anticipate additional miles to post to your ER account prior to the current deadline of 08.31,2012, you could wait, so that your RR account will be credited with more points. However, this promotion can end at any time, without notice, so you are taking some risk by holding off.
Well, unfortunately I transferred my miles to DL almost right after the initial offer came out, so am I pretty much out of luck? On F9's website it does show the total transferred miles under "account activity", but I'm not sure if a screenshot of this would be satisfactory. Or would it be worth a try to take a screenshot of my F9 profile but photoshop the picture to make it seem like I still have the miles? lol

So how long do you need to be a Wisconsin resident for this to work ?

Wow! So WN is just going to GIVE me FF miles AND status AND I can keep my F9 ER miles?? What is the catch?

Wow! So WN is just going to GIVE me FF miles AND status AND I can keep my F9 ER miles?? What is the catch?

I am sure once F9 gets wind of this they will come up with something. My first thought is to some how discontinue the Delta transfer program. Maybe I am just paranoid because I want to wait for southwest to match my miles before I transfer them to delta.

On a separate note, I was told by a csr at WN that they might fly direct to Dallas next year. For me this is huge.

Another slap in the face for Frontier.

They deserve it for shutting down the charitable donation program.

Care to explain how this is bad for Frontier? It hurts the Delta transfer partnership but not F9...

I am sure once F9 gets wind of this they will come up with something. My first thought is to some how discontinue the Delta transfer program. Maybe I am just paranoid because I want to wait for southwest to match my miles before I transfer them to delta.

I don't think there's anything Frontier can do to stop Southwest from just giving FF credit to people. It's somewhat like an airline comping status based on them having status in another airline's FF program. It's a tool to try and steal a frequent flyer's loyalty, but it happens all the time and airlines are powerless to stop it.

Kind of brings up the notion, however, of who exactly Southwest is fighting. Frontier is not trying to keep these customers. Delta is. I suppose it might be that Southwest feels they (via AirTran) didn't stick it out in Milwaukee through insane pricing and losses to outlast Frontier, only to have the spoils go to Delta. In any regard, it's nice to be fought over.

On a separate note, I was told by a csr at WN that they might fly direct to Dallas next year. For me this is huge.

Assuming that "direct" means nonstop, there's no way they can. The Wright Amendment prohibits DAL nonstops beyond adjacent states and certain approved exceptions (like MCI and STL). Until it expires sometime in 2014, there's no legal way they can. And when the Wright Amendment does expire, MKE will have to stand in line for resources with dozens of other cities who could potentially get nonstop DAL service. Milwaukee serivce will certainly be possible at that point, but when the floodgates open and there are only so many resources to go around, places like Chicago, Tampa, Phoenix, Nashville, Orlando, Los Angeles, Baltimore, Las Vegas, New York, Oakland, Denver, etc., probably do come first.

The do fly "direct", as in one-stop-no-change-of-planes, from Milwaukee to Dallas sometimes. That's been on-and-off since they started flying to MKE a few years ago, but fairly often one of the Kansas City flights continues to Dallas.

Care to explain how this is bad for Frontier? It hurts the Delta transfer partnership but not F9...

An easy way for former Frontier passengers to become loyal to SWA.

Frontier betrayed MKE. Now, the time has come to wave good bye.

An easy way for former Frontier passengers to become loyal to SWA.

Frontier betrayed MKE. Now, the time has come to wave good bye.

Frontier has made it obvious that they are giving up the MKE market. What do they care where those passengers go, as long as it doesn't cost them anything?

From the Business Journal, including a few interesting quotes from the carriers' PR reps:

http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2012/06/26/southwest-airlines-makes-offer-to.html

Another slap in the face for Frontier.

They deserve it for shutting down the charitable donation program.

They will start it up again once the deal with Delta expires. If you really are interested in donating to charity, just wait until then.

Just checked my WN account and I am 50,000 miles richer!!!!!!!!! ^

Talk about rapid rewards!

Just checked my WN account and I am 50,000 miles richer!!!!!!!!! ^

Talk about rapid rewards!

+1 They know how to make fast friends. ^

I checked a couple of hours ago, and the points had not yet posted.

It's funny how they posted - in four separate transactions.

+1 They know how to make fast friends. ^

I checked a couple of hours ago, and the points had not yet posted.

It's funny how they posted - in four separate transactions.

I just looked at the details. Mine were in 3 transactions. Anyway, Ill take it. And now for my next trick, I shall make my Frontier miles disappear... and reappear as Delta skymiles.


RIP Midwest airlines

+1 They know how to make fast friends. ^

I checked a couple of hours ago, and the points had not yet posted.

It's funny how they posted - in four separate transactions.

You may need to logout and login again to MySouthwest in order for your points balance to update.

Note that if you want to "buy" a capacity-controlled award, you can transfer 19200 points from Southwest to AirTran. That gets you 16 AirTran points, equal to an AirTran RT award. If transfer those 16 AirTran points back to Southwest, you get a Southwest RT standard award (two one-ways) good for one year. Before you do this, ask FTers on the Southwest sticky thread to check award seat availability for you.

I have found standard awards to be available on most flights for which the advance ticket price is $150 or less. The highest value for standard awards is therefore when your flight is within the next few days and the fare is much higher.

For Rapid Rewards points, earning and burning advice is the reverse of normal: Pay cash for the expensive fares and redeem ONLY for cheap advance fares. Most of my redemptions are less than 4000 points each way. Redeem for family and friends because those tickets are fully refundable into your points account if not used. Cash fares would be locked to one passenger name, which can be a pain. Pay cash for yourself and redeem points for others.

If you got the 50,000 points, take the time read the Southwest mega-FAQ at www.flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Southwest_Rapid_Rewards

You may need to logout and login again to MySouthwest in order for your points balance to update.



When I logged in, it showed all of the points posted, just in four separate lines adding up to the 50,000 points. This is in addition, of course, to my previous account activity.

Thanks for posting the info and links, nsx!

I e-mailed Southwest this morning, and had 50k in my account by mid afternoon. This must be a pretty high priority at Southwest right now for instant response.

My points were similarly credited in multiple chunks...one credit for 10k, and then two more credits for 20k each for a total of 50k.

Not sure that this makes it more likely I'll use Southwest, but I'll definitely be using them for some free travel. Gotta love being fought over...

Thanks for posting the info and links, nsx!

I e-mailed Southwest this morning, and had 50k in my account by mid afternoon. This must be a pretty high priority at Southwest right now for instant response.

My points were similarly credited in multiple chunks...one credit for 10k, and then two more credits for 20k each for a total of 50k.

Not sure that this makes it more likely I'll use Southwest, but I'll definitely be using them for some free travel. Gotta love being fought over...

I'm jealous. They would not do that in California. I hope they can expand in MKE. SAN, MSY, PHX, TUS seasonally should work. HOU, RDU, PHL, EWR may work year round.

I e-mailed Southwest this morning, and had 50k in my account by mid afternoon. This must be a pretty high priority at Southwest right now for instant response.
I was starting to think that they had seen through my photoshop trick because it had been over a day since I emailed them and my points balance was still the same. So I emailed them again today and then a few hours later the points showed up on my WN account, but they accidentally did it for both emails so I ended up with double the points!

I was starting to think that they had seen through my photoshop trick because it had been over a day since I emailed them and my points balance was still the same. So I emailed them again today and then a few hours later the points showed up on my WN account, but they accidentally did it for both emails so I ended up with double the points!


Can't decide if I am repulsed or jealous. I think the photoshop comment is what makes it difficult. Ultimately, its your account. Congrats on the double miles

Can't decide if I am repulsed or jealous. I think the photoshop comment is what makes it difficult. Ultimately, its your account. Congrats on the double miles
Well, like I said the only reason I had to resort to that was because I had already moved my miles to DL. And I used the same mileage so I'm not that bad. ;)

Well, like I said the only reason I had to resort to that was because I had already moved my miles to DL. And I used the same mileage so I'm not that bad. ;)

No worries, sorry to sound judgmental. Just envious

I don't think there's anything Frontier can do to stop Southwest from just giving FF credit to people. It's somewhat like an airline comping status based on them having status in another airline's FF program. It's a tool to try and steal a frequent flyer's loyalty, but it happens all the time and airlines are powerless to stop it.

Kind of brings up the notion, however, of who exactly Southwest is fighting. Frontier is not trying to keep these customers. Delta is. I suppose it might be that Southwest feels they (via AirTran) didn't stick it out in Milwaukee through insane pricing and losses to outlast Frontier, only to have the spoils go to Delta. In any regard, it's nice to be fought over.



Assuming that "direct" means nonstop, there's no way they can. The Wright Amendment prohibits DAL nonstops beyond adjacent states and certain approved exceptions (like MCI and STL). Until it expires sometime in 2014, there's no legal way they can. And when the Wright Amendment does expire, MKE will have to stand in line for resources with dozens of other cities who could potentially get nonstop DAL service. Milwaukee serivce will certainly be possible at that point, but when the floodgates open and there are only so many resources to go around, places like Chicago, Tampa, Phoenix, Nashville, Orlando, Los Angeles, Baltimore, Las Vegas, New York, Oakland, Denver, etc., probably do come first.

The do fly "direct", as in one-stop-no-change-of-planes, from Milwaukee to Dallas sometimes. That's been on-and-off since they started flying to MKE a few years ago, but fairly often one of the Kansas City flights continues to Dallas.

Nonstop=nonstop
Direct=Stop with no plane change

One can fly on a direct flight out of DAL today to a non Wright city as long as it stops in a Wright city,ie a direct flight

Nonstop=nonstop
Direct=Stop with no plane change

One can fly on a direct flight out of DAL today to a non Wright city as long as it stops in a Wright city,ie a direct flight

Indeed, but I suspect the original poster (or the WN agent themslf) wasn't using that standard definition, as there have bene "direct" MKE-DAL flights all along. Personally I think the term "direct" is confusing because it doesn't mean for airlines what the average usage means.

Indeed, but I suspect the original poster (or the WN agent themslf) wasn't using that standard definition, as there have bene "direct" MKE-DAL flights all along. Personally I think the term "direct" is confusing because it doesn't mean for airlines what the average usage means.

I am new guys sorry. When I said direct I meant non stop. Didnt really know the difference until now. I am still angry.

I am new guys sorry. When I said direct I meant non stop. Didnt really know the difference until now. I am still angry.

Certainly no need to apologize -- it's like in the airline world black means white when it comes to the word "direct".

I transferred them also to Delta---they have yet to come out of my account. I called to donate and they stated the transfer will take 48hours.

On a side note, apparently Frontier has now suspended their donation program (in response to Southwest offer????) Transferred some a half hour ago no problem. Called back and told me their donation program is suspended.

The donation option has been reinstated, with major changes; the Wisconsin-based charities have been eliminated from the program.

http://www.flyfrontier.com/frequent-flyers/use-your-miles/charitable-donations