oneworld - Last minute AONE3 - Help needed

Hi folks,

I was about to book a BA CW ticket LHR-IAD when I realised that I could get a RTW fare in First for considerably less ex-KRT and for about the same money ex-CAI. This is crazy and as I have some time to kill I was thinking of bagging it and trying to get to Gold BAEC at the same time.

So can anybody suggest a great itinerary that maximises tier points (i.e. flights in F over 2,000 miles)?

At present I was thinking something like:

KRT-AMM-VIE-LHR (routing suggested by OW for KRT-LHR)-IAD-SFO-JFK-ORD-LAX-SYD-HKG-LHR-KRT

Any better suggestions?

Hi folks,

I was about to book a BA CW ticket LHR-IAD when I realised that I could get a RTW fare in First for considerably less ex-KRT and for about the same money ex-CAI. This is crazy and as I have some time to kill I was thinking of bagging it and trying to get to Gold BAEC at the same time.

So can anybody suggest a great itinerary that maximises tier points (i.e. flights in F over 2,000 miles)?

At present I was thinking something like:

KRT-AMM-VIE-LHR (routing suggested by OW for KRT-LHR)-IAD-SFO-JFK-ORD-LAX-SYD-HKG-LHR-KRT

Any better suggestions?
A few initial thoughts:
You have included SYD, so your routing is an AONE4. EUR-NA-SWP-ASIA-EUR
You have two cross-country segments in the US, only one is permitted.
(l) Within the USA/Canada only one nonstop or single plane service transcontinental flight permitted. A transcontinental flight is defined as travel between a city in column A and a city in column B.
Page 4 of 9 Rule 3015
COLUMN A COLUMN B
Baltimore MD Las Vegas
Boston MA Los Angeles CA
Ft Lauderdale FL Oakland CA
Hartford CT Portland OR
Miami FL San Diego CA
Newark NJ San Francisco CA
New York NY San Jose CA
Orlando FL Seattle
Philadelphia PA Vancouver, BC
San Juan PR Santa Ana, CA
Toronto ON Long Beach, CA
Washington DC
Additionally, only one flight to Anchorage (ANC) and one flight from Anchorage (ANC) permitted.

How are you planning to get from LHR to KRT? There is currently no single plane service and you cannot yet use the BMI service thru BEY.

In NA most people try to work in either JFK-YVR on CX or JFK-LAX, the 3 class Flagship service on AA. AA also offers 3 class service on a few other domestic routes. Any AA two class service in NA, other than the Caribbean, will also give F tier points for BAEC.

AONE3 from KRT is $5742.
AONE3 from CAI is $8430.

Thanks Jerry for the help, especially pointing out the problem with

A friend has advised me to fly LHR-LAX and then back track across the US to maximise the time in F. So I'm not sure whether LHR-JFK then onwards is better or not?

My personal aims are:

(1) Try a variety of top airlines in F including BA, AA, CX and QF.
(2) Maximise tier points on BAEC rather than miles per se. So must maximise the number of segments over 2,000 miles in F.
(3) Do so as cheaply as possible so to start at at cheap starting point.

Will do a bit more research online.

Try to stick with CX F, QF A380 F, BA F and finally AA F. The first two are stellar.

KRT-AMM-LHR-IAD-DFW-ANC-DFW-YVR-(CX F)-JFK-(CX F)-HKG-(CX F)-DPS-(CX F)-HKG-(QF A380 F Thu-Sun)-SYD-(QF A380 F)-LHR-AMM-KRT.

That's 9 x 2000+ mile F segments.

Are you actually planning on doing some fun activities during your travel? If so drop the DFW between ANC and YVR and do an open jaw and book a 7-day cruise from ANC to YVR. If you enjoy fishing there is some great halibut and salmon fishing up in Alaska. Denali National Park and Mt McKinley are also a nice 2-3 day trip by train out of Anchorage. The Asiago crusted Halibut Cheeks at Simon and Seafort's in Anchorage is a must IMO.

The only way you can use QF F and not have the trip become an AONE4 is on SIN-LHR.

Try to stick with CX F, QF A380 F, BA F and finally AA F. The first two are stellar.

KRT-AMM-LHR-IAD-DFW-ANC-DFW-YVR-(CX F)-JFK-(CX F)-HKG-(CX F)-DPS-(CX F)-HKG-(QF A380 F Thu-Sun)-SYD-(QF A380 F)-LHR-AMM-KRT.

That's 9 x 2000+ mile F segments.

Are you actually planning on doing some fun activities during your travel? If so drop the DFW between ANC and YVR and do an open jaw and book a 7-day cruise from ANC to YVR. If you enjoy fishing there is some great halibut and salmon fishing up in Alaska. Denali National Park and Mt McKinley are also a nice 2-3 day trip by train out of Anchorage. The Asiago crusted Halibut Cheeks at Simon and Seafort's in Anchorage is a must IMO.

When are you seeing F on HKG-DPS? I'm looking through EF and don't see it anymore, but maybe I'm missing some months. Only intra-Asia CX F sectors I'm seeing are HKG-SIN and HKG-HND on some flights, neither >2000mi.

When are you seeing F on HKG-DPS? I'm looking through EF and don't see it anymore, but maybe I'm missing some months. Only intra-Asia CX F sectors I'm seeing are HKG-SIN and HKG-HND on some flights, neither >2000mi.I didn't check EF. I did a cursory check of CX Fleet Info at http://flyerguide.com/wiki/index.php/Fleet_Info_%28CX%29

Now that I look again, I noticed that I overlooked the following note:

Note: CTS and DPS is classified as 2-class destination. The F cabin is open for elite J class passengers but will have J class service.

My bad. 7 x 2000+ miles in F

A few initial thoughts:

How are you planning to get from LHR to KRT? There is currently no single plane service and you cannot yet use the BMI service thru BEY.

Can I use the BA8052 and BA8053 LHR-TBS-LHR flights on an AONE5 (I know there is only biz available and no first).

Thanks.

Can I use the BA8052 and BA8053 LHR-TBS-LHR flights on an AONE5 (I know there is only biz available and no first).

Thanks.

No
They are BA codeshare flights on BD metal, and so not allowed to be part of an xONEx itinerary

Can I use the BA8052 and BA8053 LHR-TBS-LHR flights on an AONE5 (I know there is only biz available and no first).

Thanks.

No
They are BA codeshare flights on BD metal, and so not allowed to be part of an xONEx itinerary

Not for now, but definately a chance in the near future. BA is in the process of migrating over BD FLTs to be BA FLTs, and once it is migrated over (once the BD FLT number no longer exists) you can use it in OW products. Check the migration update here (http://www.britishairways.com/travel/bmi-information-news-hub/public/en_uk).

Not for now, but definately a chance in the near future. BA is in the process of migrating over BD FLTs to be BA FLTs, and once it is migrated over (once the BD FLT number no longer exists) you can use it in OW products. Check the migration update here (http://www.britishairways.com/travel/bmi-information-news-hub/public/en_uk).

These flights no longer have BD flight numbers....only a BA flight number.

These flights no longer have BD flight numbers....only a BA flight number.
Until BA announces that they are fully integrated I doubt that they will be available for booking as part of an xonex.
From oneworld.com:
Nine bmi routes from its London Heathrow hub will have their current BD flight code and number replaced with BA codes in the initial phase, on 23 May, bringing them into oneworld. So these services will offer the alliance's full range of services and benefits from then.
. . .
Further bmi routes will be changed over to BA code in the coming weeks - moving them also into oneworld.

All these services will continue to operate for now from and to bmi's London Heathrow Terminal 1 base, with no changes to their departure or arrival times. Customers will be able to check-in for these routes via ba.com

In the coming months the exterior and interior design of bmi's aircraft, as well as the on board experience, will gradually transform into BA's style.
ba.com has been listing BD flights/destinations as they are permanently integrated into the BA network:
http://www.britishairways.com/travel/bmi-information-news-hub/public/en_gb

These flights no longer have BD flight numbers....only a BA flight number.

The TBS FLT still has BD FLT number.


124JUNLHRTBS«

24JUN SUN LHR/Z¥1 TBS/¥3
1BD 929 J1 C0 D0 Z0 P0 I0 LHRTBS 1300 2340 321 HR 1 X146 DC/E
Y9 G0 Q0 N0 E0 B0 M0 U0 H0 O0 V0 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 X0
2BA/BD *8052 J1 C0 D0 I0 R0 Y9 LHRTBS 1300 2340 321 M 1 X146 DCA/E
B0 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q9 O9


The FLIFO of thess FLTs also differs from, say, that of FLTs to AGA (one of the destinations mentioned in the OW press release), in that OW is not mentioned while BD's FLT numbers are still mentioned as the operating FLT numbers.


2BA8052«
BA RESPONSE
DOBA8052
* 1A PLANNED FLIGHT INFO * BA8052 0 SU 24JUN
APT ARR DY DEP DY CLASS/MEAL EQP GRND EFT TTL
LHR 1300 SU JCDIRYBHKML/M 321 5:35
VSNQO/M
GYD 2235 SU 2325 SU JCDIRYBHKML/M 0:50 1:15
VSNQO/M
TBS 2340 SU 7:40

COMMENTS-
1.LHR GYD - COMMERCIAL DUPLICATE - OPERATED BY
BRITISH MIDLAND INTERNATIONAL
2.GYD TBS - COMMERCIAL DUPLICATE - OPERATED BY
BRITISH MIDLAND INTERNATIONAL
3.LHR GYD - AIRCRAFT OWNER BRITISH MIDLAND INTERNATIONAL
4.GYD TBS - AIRCRAFT OWNER BRITISH MIDLAND INTERNATIONAL
5.GYD TBS - H/ SEGMENT NOT TO BE DISPLAYED
6.LHR TBS - OPERATIONAL LEG BD 0929
7.LHR GYD - OPERATIONAL LEG BD 0929
8.GYD TBS - OPERATIONAL LEG BD 0929
9.LHR GYD - DEPARTS TERMINAL 1
10.ENTIRE FLT- 9/ NON-SMOKING
11.ENTIRE FLT- ET/ ELECTRONIC TKT CANDIDATE
12.LHR GYD - FLIGHT WILL DEPART FROM LHR T1
13.LHR TBS - FLIGHT WILL DEPART FROM LHR T1

CONFIGURATION-
321 J 999 M 999
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2BA8162«
BA RESPONSE
DOBA8162
FLIGHT NOT OPERATING ON DATE SPECIFIED / SEE ALTERNATE DISPLAY
* 1A PLANNED FLIGHT INFO * BA8162 -1 SA 23JUN
APT ARR DY DEP DY CLASS/MEAL EQP GRND EFT TTL
LHR 1005 SA JCDRI/M YB/S 319 3:55
HKMLVSNQOG/S
AGA 1400 SA 3:55

COMMENTS-
1.LHR AGA - AIRCRAFT OWNER BRITISH MIDLAND INTERNATIONAL
2.LHR AGA - OPERATED BY BRITISH MIDLAND INTERNATIONAL
3.LHR AGA - MEMBER OF ONEWORLD
4.LHR AGA - DEPARTS TERMINAL 1
5.LHR AGA - 9/ NON-SMOKING
6.LHR AGA - ET/ ELECTRONIC TKT CANDIDATE

CONFIGURATION-
319 C 20 M 114
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Hi guys

Back again. Well I didn't do the RTW for my recent trip to the US but I did BA F out and BA J back.

I'm now looking at the RTW with my wife in October-December as I have sabbatical. Our goals are roughly the same:

(1) Maximise time/distance in F for both tier points and experience
(2) Try CX, QA, BA and AA in F.
(3) We want to visit EUR (we live near LHR), NA, Asia and SWP.

Other factors to consider:
(1) We want to bank points in BAEC but avoid BA fuel surcharges
(2) Start as cheaply as possible to ideally KRT
(3) My wife really wants to visit MEL (to see friends) YVR.
(4) I'd like to visit ANC but appreciate it may not be possible

I have a few questions:

- Is ANC unavailable in October? If so what are other good mileage runs in the US? We'd ideally like to spend some time in major cities.
- Will the BD service LHR-BEY-KRT be available in October on BA? It suggests so on their website but is unavailable in the OW Explorer tool.
- I'm struggling with working out the best routings in Europe/Middle East. I think the rules allow a return trip to MCT and a return trip to Sudan but I could be mistaken.

At present my routing is looking like:

(assuming the single BA flight no. on BD works) KRT-LHR-LAX-YVR-JFK-DFW-SFO-SYD-MEL-HKG-SIN-LHR-MCT-LHR-KRT

Help please?

- Is ANC unavailable in October? If so what are other good mileage runs in the US? We'd ideally like to spend some time in major cities.Yes, AA's flights to ANC are seasonal. They stop at the end of September. AS flights are not available on the Oneworld Explorer ticket, only the Global Explorer which is mileage limited.
- Will the BD service LHR-BEY-KRT be available in October on BA? It suggests so on their website but is unavailable in the OW Explorer tool.The BD flights won't be available to book on any oneworld ticket until they change over to BA. I don't think that happens until the end of October.
- I'm struggling with working out the best routings in Europe/Middle East. I think the rules allow a return trip to MCT and a return trip to Sudan but I could be mistaken. If you're starting in Europe/Middle East, you have a limited amount of stopovers there (one stopover outbound, one inbound) and only 4 sectors in Europe/Middle East total.

At present my routing is looking like:

(assuming the single BA flight no. on BD works) KRT-LHR-LAX-YVR-JFK-DFW-SFO-SYD-MEL-HKG-SIN-LHR-MCT-LHR-KRT

Help please?You can't do LAX-YVR on a Oneworld Explorer as it is an AS route.
There is no oneworld flight SFO-SYD. There is DFW-SYD (via BNE), but does not have first class.
SYD-HKG has first class on the days it is operated by an A380.
MEL-HKG doesn't have First.
You have too many sectors in Europe and too many LHR-middle east flights. You can only have two flights to/from LHR and ALBANIA, ALGERIA, BOSNIA
& HERZEGOVINA, BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS, GREECE, ISRAEL, LIBYA,
MALTA, MIDDLE EAST, MOROCCO, ROMANIA, RUSSIA, SERBIA, TUNISIA, TURKEY, UKRAINE.
eg, I can do AMM-MAD-LHR-DXB-LHR, but I can't do AMM-LHR-MCT-AUH-LHR or AMM-LHR-DXB-LHR

I would look at doing KRT-AMM-ORD-DFW-YVR-JFK-ORD/DFW-LAX-MEL-SYD-HKG-SIN-LHR-MCT-AMM-KRT This limits BA fuel taxes and has one more flight available to use in either SWP, Asia or North America.

- Will the BD service LHR-BEY-KRT be available in October on BA? It suggests so on their website but is unavailable in the OW Explorer tool.

BA8180/8181, which only goes to BEY, has migrated, but not BA8058/8059, which goes to KRT.

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"Due to poor revenue performance, bmi’s services to Khartoum will be suspended from 1 October 2012."

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/winter-flights-schedule/public/en_uk

possible good news: BA will start a service to Freetown, Sierra Leone - a country that is not on any of the xONEx fare lists yet. Do you guys have any idea how long it usually takes for a new country to appear on the list?